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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Nov 11, 2013 - 11:34pm PT
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Wow! Great post Greg Davis.
Remembering all the past and present military as well as their loved ones, families and friends this moment, this day. Prayers and love! lynne
ps, Greg, missed you at the Billy S. Memorial in JTree. Hope all is good with yo.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 11, 2013 - 11:45pm PT
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One for Bluering.
One for the Chief.
One for all the ST vets.
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SalNichols
Big Wall climber
Richmond, CA
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Nov 12, 2013 - 03:59am PT
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You're very welcome. I was happy to do it. 31 years, both in and out of service doing my best for all of you, even those who would question my motivation...Baba. I couldn't care less, you were my people, my responsibility, and it was my privilege to serve you.
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nopantsben
climber
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Nov 12, 2013 - 11:56am PT
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i don't understand this whole idea.
after that, the veterans have my compassion as victims of our government, not because they are truly fighting for freedom, because they aren't.
that make a whole lot more sense than all the thanks. thanks for what exactly?
not that i have anything against vets per se - it's just that i don't get how you could think of that job as something particularly positive like say being a doctor or a nurse or a firefighter or whatever.
and the american effort to end ww2 is very honorable and deserves respect, as do those that made it happen.
i don't see how that line of thought would work for vietnam or irak though.
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steveA
Trad climber
Wolfeboro, NH
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Nov 12, 2013 - 12:06pm PT
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Ben,
I completely agree with your sentiments. I have a hard time giving a blanket thank you to all veterans. Any time period perhaps after Korea is kind of the cut-off point for me. Most of the wars after Korea were pretty hard to justify, IMHO.
Did I ever show you my scar from Vietnam, on that trip into the Wind Rivers?
Ha, Ha.
Steve
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nopantsben
climber
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Nov 12, 2013 - 12:17pm PT
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no - with all the mosquitos exposing skin wasn't possible, remember? ;)
but you told the story. what a rough time that must have been...
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Nov 12, 2013 - 12:19pm PT
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I disagree Ben. There aren't any good wars. Some are more righteous causes than others to be sure.
Some folks feel the need to serve in the military, regardless of the era, or the leadership. I have a long history of military service in my family. I felt the need to honor my family, even though I was a long haired hippy freak, and I joined under Reagan!!(The duality of man.)
Many modern wars have been less than glorious in their premise and conduct. That doesn't mean I withhold my thanks to those veterans.
As I said, there are no "good" wars....
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nopantsben
climber
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Nov 12, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
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Some folks feel the need to serve in the military, regardless of the era, or the leadership
i realise that, but don't understand why that is the case. that's what i meant.
what's positive about going to war or being part of the army just for it's own sake?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Nov 12, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
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i realise that, but don't understand why that is the case.
Too many reasons for different people to list them all.
For me? I wanted my WWII Dad and Uncles to be proud of me.
I needed a job, some direction, some training, some benefits.
I wanted to do something exciting besides climbing. I wanted to travel.
Pretty standard stuff for a lot of young folks who can't afford college...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 12, 2013 - 12:37pm PT
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i realise that, but don't understand why that is the case. that's what i meant.
That there is pretty indicative why you don't get it yet feel inclined to
make such a condescending statement.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Nov 16, 2013 - 01:02pm PT
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I am a veteran and because of my time in service i question the right of politicians, who rarely have loved ones serving, to so blithely send young Americans into harms way.
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