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Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Nov 7, 2013 - 10:56pm PT
I have such mixed feelings about Veteran's Day.

If we could separate the veteran's personal service from the sometimes-ugly-nationalism that drove their service, I would feel better about celebrating the holiday. Afterall, a individual man can serve honorably in a illegal or unjustified war, especially when it is learned later than his leader have lied.

(But don't all leaders lie all of the time anyway?)

So I salute all veterans who naively put their lives on "hold" in order to kill fellow human beings in the service of dishonest and greedy politicians who made decisions that alienated the people who later became our enemies with whom we eventually went to war and killed.


Sport climber
Pinedale, Wyoming
Nov 7, 2013 - 11:20pm PT
Sierra Ledge Rat (what a great visual I have when I typed your "name"-)
I think you have to live it to get it.. Looking at THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX from a distance doesn't really get it. There are many more humanitarian efforts then there are war efforts. You'd be surprised..

The Germans "should" love us..they don't. But the South Koreans do love us and their enemy is as real today and as evil as it was 60+/- years ago. The old people haven't forgotten.

ZZZZZZZZ.. I'm done for the day..
(manemachen=horse mane braider..)

PS- DOGTOWN: my favorite movie- PATTON with George C Scott- the last lines sum up the whole thing..for centuries..
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Nov 8, 2013 - 01:18am PT
I think you have to live it to get it..

I have 10 years active duty in combat arms
Departed honorably as an O-4

I "get it"

Nov 8, 2013 - 04:42am PT
U.S. Army
Basic: Ft Leonard Wood
AIT: Ft. Bliss, Tx
3 years
Stationed: Edgewood Aresnal, MD.
Giessen, Germany

Vietnam Era
The Chief

From the Land of the Mongols
Nov 8, 2013 - 06:04am PT
This is what Veteran's Day should be on a daily basis...

13 Marines get impromptu Chicago airport welcome.

CHICAGO (AP) It didn't matter that the 13 Marines on their way home from Afghanistan had been fighting in a war that no longer dominates the news or that they were stopping only for a short time in Chicago before flying to San Diego.

When USO volunteer John Colas heard with just an hour's notice that the Marines' plane was bearing down on Chicago's O'Hare International Airport, he and others scrambled to make sure they got a hero's welcome.

"We want these kids coming home to realize that they haven't been forgotten," said Colas, a 74-year-old former Marine.

The reception started with a water salute in which their plane taxied underneath an arch of water from fire truck hoses.

The Marines, who had spent the better part of five days getting on and off planes to get home from the other side of the world, were then met by a small crowd of cheering USO volunteers, firefighters, police officers and airport workers as they walked into the terminal.

A short time later, boarding another jet for San Diego, the Marines learned that American Airlines which has a policy to upgrade servicemen and women in uniform whenever possible had six empty seats in first class for the group.

That gesture was followed by seven first-class passengers who jumped out of their seats for the other Marines so they could sit together.

Thank you all who have served our Nation in uniform. There are many citizens out there that take our service for granted. That don't matter none. Because for most of us that served, we did not do it for them. We did it for one another. We learned how to put our differences aside and if the time ever came, we would without hesitation, take the bullet for one another. We will continue that unwritten oath till the day we die.

I leave you with this heartwarming tale...

Flight turns unforgettable when passengers learn of fallen soldier.

Delta Flight 2255 from Atlanta to Los Angeles seemed to be an ordinary flight with the exception of Candy, who was the most loving flight attendant Ive ever encountered. Besides using her Southern charm to quickly defuse every situation, she began her welcome announcement by thanking the handful of uniformed soldiers on-board for serving our country. Her poignant message was followed by applause, and it put into perspective that none of us would be able to do what we do without these brave men and women.

But this transcontinental flight turned out to be everything but ordinary. We later learned, when the captain got on the PA system about 45 minutes prior to landing, that we were transporting a fallen soldier. The plane went quiet as he explained that there was a military escort on-board and asked that everyone remain seated for a couple of minutes so the soldiers could get off first. He also warned us not to be alarmed if we see fire trucks since Los Angeles greets their fallen military with a water canon salute. See my video below.

A few minutes after touchdown, we did indeed have a water canon salute, which Id previously only experienced on happy occasions like inaugural flights. This time, the water glistening on the windowpanes looked like tears.

When the jet door opened, another military officer addressed the escort who was standing at attention. He then stepped on the plane and told us passengers I just addressed the escort. It is a sworn oath to bring home, to the family, the fallen. He paused and then said, Today you all did that, you are all escorts, escorts of the heart. And then thanked us for our time and walked off the plane.

3JAN1975 - 19JUN1999
NAS Lemoore SAR
VXE-SIX (TAD NAS Lemoore/Fallon SAR)
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Nov 8, 2013 - 06:18am PT
Well said Sierra Ledge Rat. Salute.

You too the Chief.

The best thing a person can do for vets is to shout loudly to our leaders - bring the boys back home. No more war.

Do it. Honor a vet. Stop rattling someone else's sword.


Trad climber
Nov 8, 2013 - 08:24am PT
MCRD San Diego
Camp Kinser, Okinawa
3rd Maint. Bn. CLR-35 ELMACO (Electronics Maint. Co.)
Calibrators... What a bunch of yahoos!

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 8, 2013 - 08:27am PT
Sierra Ledge Rat has my proxy. Well said, sir. John F Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson
can rot in hell. Hopefully Bush will soon join them.

Trad climber
Old Climbers' Home (Adopted)
Nov 8, 2013 - 08:41am PT
Name: Dave Daly (aka Mooch)

Branch of Service: USMC (Uncle Sam's Misguided Children)

Years of Service: 1983-2003

Where you Basic trained: Parris Island, SC (Boot Camp), Aug 1983

Where you were stationed: MCAS El Toro (CA), MCAS Kaneohe Bay (HI), MCAS Iwakuni (Japan), NAS Lemoore (CA). NAWS China Lske (CA), MCAS Miramar (CA)
Sea Time: (3 years - USS Ranger, USS Constellation, USS Nimitz, USS Abraham Lincoln, USS John C Stennis

If in a war where? ODS (Operation Desert Shield) & OEF (Operation Enduring Freedom)

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 8, 2013 - 09:11am PT
Well done Mooch.

The full 20 in the beloved Corps. Takes a special breed.

Nov 8, 2013 - 09:18am PT
Name: Scott Allen

Branch of Service: US Army

Years of Service: 1976 - 1980

Where you trained: Ft. Leonard Wood, MO, then Ft. Huachuca, AZ

Where you were stationed: B Co, 104th MI BN, Ft. Carson, CO

I stood with my fellow Veterans last night at a concert put on by a local high school. Great music following a program derived from the old Navy Hour radio show. No less than twenty World War 2 vets stood before the crowd to be recognized for their service. I felt honored that they let a kid like me stand with them.
The highlight for me was watching 3 young marines in full dress uniforms wait at the bottom of the stairs and thank each and every veteran for their service.
My thanks go out to all who served. And I have a special place in my heart for Mr. Jim Kollias, band director at Beckman High School in Irvine, CA who goes out of his way every year to honor those served in the Armed Forces.

Trad climber
Nedsterdam CO
Nov 8, 2013 - 09:18am PT
@ Mooch: University of Science, Music and Culture!

Semper Fi Bro, and Happy Birthday to our Corps!

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Nov 8, 2013 - 10:18am PT
As I said upthread, I was stationed near Pusan Korea 74 -75. I'll say one thing, I met some real nice climbers there that showed me some cool routes. These two are on a wall that is now pretty much all sport, not back then. I think they were in the 5.8 to 5.9 range, we were doing most of these in big boots or gray suede shoes with stoppers, hexes and a stich plate.

Busan, Korea
Busan, Korea
Credit: ydpl8s

Busan, Korea
Busan, Korea
Credit: ydpl8s

Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
Nov 8, 2013 - 10:39am PT
You know, I have mixed feelings about this "holiday." I loved the Army and didn't want to get out. When I joined at 36, I fully intended in putting in many years. I was to learn the hard way that brotherhood was frequently only extended to brothers, not sisters. God forbid a woman stand up and report a rape. Talk about ostracism and lack of support. It is disgusting how manystill believe we have no business in the Armed Forces. But whatever, not my problem. I am told by people: you're not a real Vet because you didn't deploy, because you got out, because you werent combat arms, etcetcetc. I'm also told I don't deserve my disability benefits because of those reasons and one person informed me that rape shouldn't be covered at all,in any way. I'm still plotting revenge on that guy. I usually blow these dicks off. It's when my friends or people that I assume are supportive share these negative opinions. I guess that's life though. Maybe they're just bitter because I get free Subway.. lol and the hippies just crack me up :)

In the end, I AM a Veteren, regardless of these silly opinions. I work at being available for other women Vets who suffer from MST (and men too). I'm grateful for the support I get and am always open about my experience so that perhaps I can still be of service. I forgot who said it above but I too prefer silence to gratitude or pity, in my case. It's just something I chose to do.


Sport climber
Pinedale, Wyoming
Nov 8, 2013 - 01:26pm PT
Sierra Ledge Rat- my apology for the oversight- I did see the photo of you in your flight suit- kinda cute there. I was worn down a bit after reading Karl's posts which are thoughts similar to mine sometimes when watching the evening news..Working ATOC gave me a chance to see simultaneous operations going on within the Pacific theater. Things such as "Burn Flights" coming from Marine bases in Asia to the burn center in Texas. Special Handling flights which included soldiers heading home the last time, Food and Supplies to the '88 fires in Yellowstone and even, I remember that it was the Air Force that responded to the "delightful" task of recovering stinking bloated bodies from the Jonestown massacre and returning the dead US citizens to Dover Delaware in a C-5. For me, the military was always people supporting other people to make a bad situation a little better. F*#k the (intrinsically embedded) politics..which Yes, are VERY DIFFICULT to overlook. It was unintended, but I received more than I gave.
YAK, YAK, Type, Type. But, please accept my apology..
("Sierra Ledge Rat" made me remember the big tree growing about 1/8th of the way up El Cap on a ledge- had not thought of that in 30 years).

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 11, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
Michelle, I know you feel dissed. And from what I've heard you f*#king should be!

Some of us respect your attempts to serve the country, and indeed, think of you as a vet. I do.

I regret never serving my country. I was a bit of an anti-military brat when I was younger. I was stupid.

Let's go climbing again, Michelle. I'll call it 'take a Vet climbing day'. But let's just do it.


Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 11, 2013 - 01:51pm PT
Having never done a day's service to the country in my life, my hat is off to ALL you Veterans. I don't care if your unit were the ones in the dark with fixed bayonets, sneaking around looking to make contact with the enemy, or if your entire military career was spent in Monterey California, on National Guard duty, working the mess hall one weekend a month making sure everybody got something to eat. You all are tougher than I am, and a hell of a lot more responsible. I'm glad I don't have to think about how things would be without people like you.


Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
Nov 11, 2013 - 04:03pm PT
Name: Scott Leeper
Branch of Service: Army
Years of Service: 8
Where you Basic trained:Fort Leonard Wood
Where you were stationed: Stuttgart Deutschland
If in a war where? no thank God

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 11, 2013 - 04:13pm PT
I will salute all Taco Vets and those outside the TacoStand. And this includes Dingus Milktoast.

God bless all our vets! I should not not have to say this, but I f*#king will! I respect the Armed Services and what they do.

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 11, 2013 - 04:33pm PT
Thanks for the typical sanctimonious crap Karl.

This thread is to honor vets. Who do fight for peace and freedoms, the very ones u enjoy.


I was going to say the same thing, Scott.

Hey, Chief, some people do respect your service. My Gramps was a Navy man.
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