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Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 1, 2012 - 08:13pm PT
John M, haven't you ever heard why camels are called the ships of the desert?
John M

climber
Dec 1, 2012 - 08:21pm PT
The pic of Jessica Alba? She is part of the Muslim Brotherhood?


Just messing with you Ron. I still don't know which post you are talking about, but it doesn't matter that much to me.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Trad climber
SLO, Ca
Dec 1, 2012 - 08:34pm PT
She looks great to me. Just because she does a sit-up now and then doesn't mean she's anorexic.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 1, 2012 - 11:17pm PT
Well Karl do you support HAMAS or Israel? I havent heard of Israelis flying planes into buildings,, or wearing explosive undies, shoes or the like.

I support both in hoping they find peace and security and I support neither to the extent they use violence. My views and that of HealyJ are aligned. You should listen to him, he knows what he's talking about

And make no mistake, if it weren't for our support for Israel, 9-11 is unlikely to have happened. To book Israel has sent spies to the US (some in Jail now) and DID attack the US LIberty with plans, killing Americans in 1967. Google it.

And you know which country in the world would be most likely to assassinate a US president? I wouldn't be surprised at all if a US president took a sharply "we aren't going to give Israel Foreign aid anymore and stand up for the in the US, they'd be the ones to kill the president"

You're totally wrong equating the PLO and Hamas. Quite spewing about what you know nothing about, and also Hamas has NOTHING to do with Worldwide terrorism. They are locked in in their regional conflict...period.

It's very basic dude. There were about 14,000 Jews in the land of Israel just after the turn of the century (1900) now they have everything. How do you think they got it? If you were one of the dude that got squeezed off your land and your family killed, you'd be the most fearsome terrorist on the planet. I know you. Don't even deny it.

You complain about IEDs and such but it's really just about what they have to fight with. Israel has tanks and F16s. Take all that away and they'd be terrorist too, just like they actually were when they fought the British and were blowing up hotels and stuff



always step into the other guys shoes and ask "What would I do?"

Peace

Karl
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Dec 1, 2012 - 11:48pm PT
Iran already attacked us.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/51400

We just ignore it.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 2, 2012 - 02:27am PT
Iran already attacked us.

Boo!!

You know Bluering, I though you were saying Al Queda was behind Beghazi and Iran is not an Al Queda place. Not Wahabbi there.

Plus, you know we're attacking them already right? Flying drones over their land, messing with their internet, and somebody is assassinating their scientists.

Not to mention we forced sanctions on them

And let's not forget it was only 1954 when our CIA helped overthrow their democratically elected president and put in a ruthless dictator, all because they wanted to control their own oil

Remember what Jesus said, Get the log out of your own eye before you complain about the twig in somebody else's. We're bringing this sh#t down on ourselves by being in everyone elses sh#t at huge expense to our both in money and consequences.

If other countries did 1/10th the things we routinely do to other countries, you'd be called to nuke them

And don't you think falsely invading one country, killing 100's of thousands and making Millions of refugees should disqualify us from doing that again? Sorta like why Germany abstained from recognizing Palestine even though they wanted to.

Peace

Karl
froodish

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 2, 2012 - 04:01am PT
PLO, aka Hamas

Ron, Hamas has never been a part of the PLO and its history includes longstanding conflict with Fatah (the largest and most influential group in the PLO.) This is hardly surprising as since the beginning, Hamas has been encouraged (and even funded in the early days) by Israel as a foil to the secular Fatah. Here's a pretty good rundown from the commies at the WSJ:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123275572295011847.html

Late last year there was talk of Hamas joining the PLO. This made the Likudniks in Israel blow a gasket:

http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=250605

If this happened they could no longer play the groups off against each other.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 2, 2012 - 05:29am PT
Gee, Healy, I guess then that the Israeli-Palestinian problem is the first in the history of the world to be completely caused and resolveable only by one side? AMAZING!

Do you see two sides when you look at that map? the Israeli right does not, and never has, intended to settle and the Hamas developed specifically in response to that reality. Had the Israelis had any remote interest in settling they could have entirely headed off Hamas' very existence decades ago. Hamas only exits as a due to Israeli intransigence.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 2, 2012 - 05:38am PT
Iran already attacked us.

Iran had no involvement in the attack - the attack was committed by Salafis which is a fundamentalist Sunni sect, not a Shiite one. In fact, the Salafi are actively countering Iranian-backed Shiite influence in North Africa.

Attacking Iran would be an ideological victory for hard-line Salafists / Wahhabis, tipping the regional balance-of-power in favor of the ultra-orthodox. This is not a minor consequence. Like it or not, Iranís Twelver Shiite national ideology is somewhat of a counterbalance to the ultra-orthodox Salafists in the region.

And that's the whole problem with all the whole global 'Caliphate' / 'culture' hysteria - before either the shiites or sunnis posed a strategic threat in the region they'd have to survive a bitter and protracted regional sectarian war from which no one will emerge as the 'last man standing'. The entire concept is bankrupt nonsense, mostly pushed by one academic 'culture' warrior.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 2, 2012 - 06:22am PT
Ron: China has launched its new line of aircraft carriers.

Inconsequential as already explained - everyone wants toys they don't have, even if they don't know how to use them.

Ron: N Korea threatens to test fire long range missiles for icbms.

Pay closer attention. N Korea does things like this and restarting reactors whenever they're feeling neglected and been off the front page for too long due to other, more pressing, world events. They are more concerned with being forgotten than in becoming a threat. Also, it's more for China's benefit than ours, and besides, the Japanese run a couple of AEGIS boats and have it all covered with a couple of ours thrown in as backups. So my advice? Don't sweat the small stuff.

Ron: Iran threatens to get nuclear weapon capabilities

Gee, I dunno, the fact the Persians are a unique culture unto themselves in a region of cultures hostile to theirs couldn't possibly be driving any of their thinking...

Hey Arman, have you noticed how our neighborhood has been feeling more...
Hey Arman, have you noticed how our neighborhood has been feeling more and more uncomfortable of late...?
Credit: healyje

Ron: Iran also supplies Gaza with weaponry

They supply weapons to anyone with cash - just like us, the russians, and the chinese though they are probably inclined to throw Hamas the occasional freebee just to be annoying (and to stay relevant).

Ron: Our #1 enemy was being hidden by Pakistan and they arrested the source of the info to find him - and now rots in a pakistani jail somewhere.

Yeah, well, pissing in the other guy's sandbox, even if only to drown a scorpion, never plays well with the locals. Sort of like when cartels piss in your sandbox.

Ron: Israel continues to battle hamas who continues to battle Israel. Hamas right now is encouraging its followers to launch missiles.

Can't blame'em - are you just not seeing the map we keep posting? Being Irish and all I'd probably be the guy lighting the fuses if it were happening to me and mine. How about you?

Ron: Our Ambassador and three other Brave Americans were murdered in Behgnazi

Yep, a CIA intel post got caught with their pants down which is doubly embarrassing because what happened to them is exactly what they were there to monitor for. Running intel ops in conflict zones is never without obvious risks - sh#t happens, a real bummer in this case as Stevens was about the best friend the Libyans had (not that you or any of the right really care about Stevens [a liberal] or the other guys - you've all made it abundantly and callously clear they're just election fodder an nothing more).

Ron: Libya, Egypt , Yemen, Syria, Burma are all under violent actions now.

Burma's unrelated, but which part of the forty times we've explained that this is W and the neocon's 'dominoes' legacy do you just not get? I mean, c'mon - really?



Ron: all FACTS no???

Dude, you desperately need to ease up on the chicken-little, boogeymen-and-the-UN-mating-under-my-bed thing. Hey, we f*#ked up as a nation under the neocons and now we have to buck up, suck it in, and deal - preferably without all the hand-wringing, violent shaking, gnashing of teeth, hysteria, and inconsolable wailing.

Yer....gonna die, die, die!!!
Yer....gonna die, die, die!!!
Credit: healyje

Man, I mean, just how do you manage to climb and lead with attitudes and outlooks like these?
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 2, 2012 - 07:04am PT
Thanks for the Factual smack-down Joe.

Things change when you know what you're talking about Blue. There's all these right wing talk show hosts who don't really know squat out there talking smack but it's just smack

like the people who have read a book on climbing and look up at El Cap and say stupid things

Peace

Karl
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Dec 2, 2012 - 10:33am PT
Well played Joe, well played!


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Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 2, 2012 - 11:45am PT
Gosh Ron

You've made your point! How are we going to protect all our Nice american lives when there's so many evil forces out there who might harm our CIA contractors or political staff? We never know when the dictator we've been supporting for years could be uncontrollably overthrown by democracy which we might not approve of or be able to prevent!

The only modest solution would be to Nuke all the other countries of the world so our innocent lives will be protected and the nuclear winter would also stop global warming.

It's just our wussy government would have the guts to protect us from the threat of all the evil out there by killing everybody else!

Love n Light

Karl

Edit- China underestimated! We're chumps for only spending as much as the rest of the world combined on Defense! Having enough nukes to obliterate china is clearly not enough! We need to borrow more money from them so we can have 20x their military!
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Dec 2, 2012 - 12:03pm PT
And all those NICE communistic types like Hitler and Hiro Hito

This combination of words alone is enough to have sentient beings ignore your posts forever.

Really Rong take a break. It's time to stop nursing on the teat of conservative am radio. Please go read a book for God's sake. I would suggest Pride and Prejudice but it is a big boy book and written by a Woman. Try Addicted to WAR by Joel Andreas instead. Even though it is meticulously sourced and credited It is presented in comic book form with lots of pictures so you should be comfortable.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Dec 2, 2012 - 12:15pm PT
Wrong again Rong. Obama is the most supportive President the Palestinians have ever had to address. He is locked in an pre-existing Geo-Political tug of war. He can not endorse Hamas but he can support Palestine. Likewise he can not just cut Israel off from US tax payers billions. It will be a weaning.


Ron because you think it does not make it real. You are a victim Ron. A victim of an on-going propaganda campaign. When I think of Rong the phrase "Hook, Line and Sinker" comes immediately to mind.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Dec 2, 2012 - 12:24pm PT
He could do nothing else. It didn't change a thing. Obama is still the most sympathetic President to Palestinians. And yet you would make it a case of total abandonment. Just as you would make his other statement a total endorsement of support to Isreal. It was NOT! You know NOTHING of the situation and should NOT wax idiotically about it.

Why on EARTh would anyone back any terrorist organizations is beyond me. And that is ALL that "palestine " is.
This proves my point quite succinctly.
dirtbag

climber
Dec 2, 2012 - 01:07pm PT
Ron, to put it politely, you have proven over and over again to be fact-challenged.

When asked to provide support for many of your claims, your sources are blogs, your buddies, or you provide no sources at all.

We're not even at the point of arguing about what we think should happen: we're arguing over basic facts. Others have suggested that you seek other sources and read a bit more.

Sorry, I sound like an as#@&%e for writing this, but it's true. That's why I don't bother engaging most of the time.

Still, I think you are a great guy. See-ya.

Credit: dirtbag

philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Dec 2, 2012 - 01:21pm PT
Those ignorant of the past are doomed to repeat it.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Dec 2, 2012 - 07:12pm PT
Gee, I dunno, the fact the Persians are a unique culture unto themselves in a region of cultures hostile to theirs couldn't possibly be driving any of their thinking...

Ain't so much the Persians themselves, it's the crazy f*#kers running the place who seem to be the only ones on Earth dead-set on deploying a nuke.

Everyone else keeps their rhetoric off the maps, and their actions back that up.

Iran can not be allowed to have a nuke.

EDIT:
Iran had no involvement in the attack - the attack was committed by Salafis which is a fundamentalist Sunni sect, not a Shiite one. In fact, the Salafi are actively countering Iranian-backed Shiite influence in North Africa.

Wrong! The Saudis are trying to drop Syria. Iran hates the Saudis.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Dec 2, 2012 - 07:18pm PT
Healyje, the only thing I will concur with you is it's time to go Ron Paul.

Bring everybody home, flip everybody off for now, and come home. Rebuild our home.

I'm tired of all this Sunni/Shiite bullsh#t. Let them cut themselves to pieces. Israel can defend herself.

This also means we stop propping up Muslim Brotherhood and other tin-pot as#@&%es. F*#k everybody! Bring the boyz home.

Oh, it also means we start drilling for oil here and developing our own resources.
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