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healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 14, 2012 - 03:09pm PT
P.S. And it wasn't rocket science that 'democracy' in the Arab world might take on a religious tone we might not like, but that seems completely lost on the neocons who are still in disbelief the world isn't populated by middle-aged, protestant, dollar-driven white males. Have you ever perused this gem of a manifesto which launched the clusterf*#k?

http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

or this one:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

or:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/AttackIraq-Nov16,98.pdf
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 14, 2012 - 03:15pm PT
The policies were designed to aid the good when they fed the bad. Now we repeat it over and over- pretty much the definition of insanity.

We are NOT repeating it over and over in Libya, Syria, and most especially Iran. We are staying engage but cautious because at this point it's pretty damn hard to predict the future and there are no direct ways to intervene in what has been unleashed. Do you really think the events in Benghazi would have unfolded any differently under McCain? They wouldn't have - everything would be exactly as it today because - Obama or McCain - we are playing the hand dealt us by the Bush administration and the legacy of the neocon fantasy that all we needed to do was knock over one of those Mideast dominos and a whiteboy democracy would spread like wildfire.

The neocons were so utterly clueless it staggers the imagination and what's truly frightening is the remnants of their cadre were Romney's military and foreign policy advisers.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Nov 14, 2012 - 03:15pm PT
I have seen two of those.


which brings up a good point.. Lets view this from being a citizen in an ME country, take yur pick.

Ok,, the USA govt agencies are stock piling hollow point ammo
as a law going into effect for them can make them disapear without a word and be put through a military tribunal,

While the same country professes to be the GLOBAL POWER..



Who does this remind YOU of?







edit: I have an Iranian friend who hopes the US invades. Ive told him i hope we dont. Even though they get murdered there for being "belligerents".. He compares the NDAA 2013 laws to where he lives now. He asked me " are you scared?" that struck me,, coming from him. But im not for invading. If they get their nukes built and then get a delivery system? That system should be taken out 100%. And IF we HAVE to, we do it in a way that assures success the QUICKEST. If a certain mtn range has the missles, level the whole range. Then be done with it. Other than that it isnt up to us. Iran has been clear to be a sworn enemy. No nukes is a must dontcha think?

and since when does a global power owe more than its worth?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Nov 15, 2012 - 01:06pm PT
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/item/13651-obama-vs-the-brass-benghazi-cover-up-agenda-to-gut-military


Many Generals and and Admiral have been demoted and or removed in the LAST MONTH! ?? Excuses from sexual email innuendos to spending on trips have been used.. This is unprecedented - that so many TOP level military officials have been removed or demoted. In the light of upcoming wars, one can only be left to wonder why you would remove those with experience.

So we find ourselves more worried about e mails and their sexual content than four dead Brave Americans. We find the news media CENSORING any and all content that alludes to the real problems. Gag orders being issued like air these days as well. Meanwhile the "investigations" into benghazzi have been a loud joke.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 15, 2012 - 06:13pm PT
You're reading and quoting the John Birch Society and wonder why people think you're more than a tad hysterical and out of touch with reality?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Nov 15, 2012 - 07:03pm PT
i have never read looked at or in any way quoted the john birch society.

And all the above is factual is it not?
froodish

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 15, 2012 - 08:08pm PT
The New American | Home
http://www.thenewamerican.com/
Magazine of the John Birch Society, providing in-depth reporting on U.S. and worldwide issues and events. Includes weekly features, back issue archive, and ...

Worth paying attention to your sources Ron. And if your google searches keep turning up hits like that on the top, you might want to question what your search terms are too.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Nov 15, 2012 - 08:34pm PT
again is anything nonfactual there? No..that just happened to be the link i posted.. Want different ones saying the same?
froodish

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 15, 2012 - 08:39pm PT
Decimating the Military: Obama’s “Night of the Long Knives”?

Dude, you really expect something resembling discussion when you link to rubbish like that?

That article is a bunch of conjecture, rubbish assertions and quotes from right wing hacks.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 15, 2012 - 08:41pm PT
Not links like that one which are from people who make a living on hysteria and hype. No one is firing admirals and generals as part of a conspiracy, Benghazi or otherwise. You just seem to be among the ranks highly prone to conspiracy theories, not sure why they appeal to you. But in general the folks I see so afflicted have a high general identification with being a victim.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Nov 15, 2012 - 08:43pm PT
Well instead slamming the source,, what about giving me something to actually go on here. What about ALL those generals and admiral that have been given the boot? Dont you wonder about that in light of benhgazzi? Dont you wonder of the timing of this all? Or is it okkeee dokkeee cuz obama won the election and everything is gonna be roses and caviar?
froodish

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 15, 2012 - 08:45pm PT
Not to mention that the entire premise is fatally flawed. If Obama had dirt on military brass and wanted to use it to somehow influence the narrative of Benghazi, any leverage was lost when the story was made public.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Nov 15, 2012 - 08:58pm PT
the story is hardly "public".. And what about the original investigations into the consulate attack? More delays? Diversion tactics more likely. This will end up so clouded over NOTHING will be done- or so some hope.


What i want to hear is how it was to be in the situation room watching live as two brave badass Americans fought to their deaths? Did they have snacks and drinks brought in?
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 15, 2012 - 09:17pm PT
Ron, Kip Ward was under investigation way before Benghazi and sometimes events just create a circumstance where cleaning house and reorganizing is the appropriate response of the day.

WASHINGTON (AP) Aug 17, 5:50 PM (ET) - The four-star general who headed U.S. Africa Command used military vehicles to shuttle his wife on shopping trips and to a spa and billed the government for a refueling stop overnight in Bermuda, where the couple stayed in a $750 suite, a Defense Department investigation has found.

A 99-page report alleges excessive unauthorized spending and travel costs for Gen. William "Kip" Ward, including lengthy stays at lavish hotels for Ward, his wife and his staff members, and the use of five-vehicle motorcades when he traveled to Washington.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20120817/DA0NBPFO0.html

Keep in mind too that AFRICOM isn't exactly any general's idea of an ideal posting and it appears there may be issues with AFRICOM culture just as there are with CENTCOM culture. In fact, it seems like between Lackland, the Airforce Academy, and these commands there needs to be some command realignment.

But nothing whatsoever about these changes rises anywhere near the level of conspiracy.
froodish

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 15, 2012 - 09:19pm PT
Ron, from your original post:

Many Generals and and Admiral have been demoted and or removed in the LAST MONTH! ?? Excuses from sexual email innuendos to spending on trips have been used.. This is unprecedented - that so many TOP level military officials have been removed or demoted. In the light of upcoming wars, one can only be left to wonder why you would remove those with experience.

The story you linked to made assertions about Petraeus among others (viz: that his ouster had something to do with a coverup about Benghazi). . If that story isn't "public" I don't know what would satisfy your criteria.

Think about it. Let's say you are an evil Muslim president that has dirt on the head of the CIA (forget for a moment what an unusual switch of events that would be) and wish to use that to influence his testimony so as to affect the narrative. Do you make the story public?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Nov 15, 2012 - 09:44pm PT
In the light of upcoming wars,

Outstanding news! Super boring lately.
dirtbag

climber
Nov 15, 2012 - 10:51pm PT
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Nov 16, 2012 - 10:49am PT
Yes dirt i know you could care a less about benghazzi.

and Ron Paul tells why: "appetite for civil liberties is weak while the country falls more towards government dependencies."


A very true statement as millions upon millions will be attaching themselves to the govt tit coming up in the next two years. And IN FACT, the dependency on the FED GOVT is the WORST in HISTORY now! So roll forward two years and we will eclipse that mark by many millions.

Govt spending continues and the economy weakens - and the "fiscal cliff" we hear about now is actually going to be much larger that originally thought.

The feds are supposed to take care of us but we also have one of the MOST DANGEROUS borders in the world- Our border patrols are killed there as well as citizens from both America and Mexico. But they can continue to seek powers to use against US and UNCHALLENGED might i add.. If the NDAA 2013 goes through as is, this will be a different country in jan 2013- just around the bend. You can kiss your freedoms goodbye as far as this site or any other will go- because "big brudda" will be watching.


Meanwhile,, how many states have asked to succeed from the union? Have you all ever heard of that many states saying UP YURS?? I havent.

We now have nearly 400,000 KNOWN gang members here- yet the new talks of ways to identify those whom the govt will give amnesty to- which is basically an ID. Yet NOT ONE word from LOCAL or FED LEOS about getting these KNOWN gang members the hell out of here. It absolutely boggles the mind that a town like Carson City NV would fall prey to these types- but they are here, in force, and are known, yet nothing is done. In short the are invaders that traffic drugs, humans and guns, yet seem to have more rights than the citizenry as they can be known and nothing is done..One of the biggest govt failures going.. If they cant even protect our borders how do we protect the rest of the globe? Ohwww, thats right we dont- we just stir the poo then watch it fly like in the ME..

Stevens, Woods, Doherty and Smith didnt get protection either.




edit: H , yes those are angles to consider in regards to the military musical chairs. The timing is in question though.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Nov 18, 2012 - 11:30am PT
air bombardments of Gaza going on for 48 hours now by Israeli forces- as Gaza returns fire through missles into Israel. They are warning Palestinians through air leaflet dropping that attacks on the ground are immanent. Approx fifty air strikes per day against GAZA by Israeli forces.

Hammas is a terrorist organization as defined by the USA.



Obamas comments: ON BOARD AIR FORCE ONE (AP) — The White House on Saturday defended Israel's right to defend itself against attack and decide how to respond to rocket fire from the Gaza Strip, **blaming the ruling Islamic militant Hamas group for starting the conflict.
**

Obama and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu are in agreement that a de-escalation of the violence is preferred, provided that Hamas stops sending rocket into Israel, deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes told reporters during the president's flight on Air Force One to Asia.
Israel launched the offensive on Wednesday by assassinating Hamas' military commander, but Rhodes said the U.S. believes "the precipitating factor for the conflict was the rocket fire coming out of Gaza. We believe Israel has a right to defend itself, and they'll make their own decisions about the tactics they use in that regard."






Soooo,, we have Israel engaged against Gaza, we will soon be engaged in Iran, while Libya , Yemen, Pakistan, Turkey, Syria, and egypt continue to erupt in violence ALL OVER THE SAME ISLAMIC MILITANTS...

Throw in the fact that the citizenry in most of these islamic ruled countries DONT want islam extremists any where near them.
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Credit: Ron Anderson
The map of violence in the ME





The British established the British Mandate of Palestine in the 20th Century. It ceased to exist in 1948 with the creation of the modern State of Israel.

Today, Arabs who live in the Israel Territories are referred to as Palestinians. This derives from the fact that many of them are Arabs who were living in British Palestine which roughly encompassed modern day Israel plus the Territories. Of course, Israeli Arabs (20% of Israel's population) are Israeli citizens and officially Israelis. Remember that the Arabs conquered Jerusalem in the 7th Century CE/AD.

While there is no state of Palestine today, the Palestinian National Authority (or the Palestinian Authority) is the governmental entity that rules the West Bank. It is a product of the PLO/Fatah, which is a secular nationalist party that evolved from the former terrorist group. The West Bank (of the Jordan River) is occupied territory won by the Israelis in 1967. The West Bank comprises Judea and Samaria. Many Jews consider these 2 provinces to be part of Israel. Arabs disagree and hope that this will become part of the future Palestinian State. The Gaza Strip was under the Palestinian National Authority until the Islamist terror group Hamas assumed military control of Gaza, killing or evicting members of Fatah. Today, Palestinians are ruled by the PNA/PA which is secular and Hamas which is Islamist. The PNA seeks an independent Palestinian state alongside Israel...borders to be negotiated. Hamas seeks an Islamic state occupying all of the territory of Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank. If you look closely at the logos of these entities, you will find that they show maps of "Palestine" from (Jordan) River to (Mediterranean) Sea. So who really knows what the underlying agenda is?

If this sounds horribly confusing and bleak, welcome to the club...

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Nov 18, 2012 - 12:01pm PT
meanwhile Obama care gets hammered.



Five Devastating Effects Obamacare Will Have on Young Adults
Alyene SengerJune 17, 2012 at 11:00 am(23)

In anticipation of the Supreme Court’s Obamacare decision, it is important to remember that the constitutionality of the law’s individual mandate isn’t the only concern. For example, Obamacare will negatively impact many younger Americans. Here’s a list of five ways young adults will be hurt by the law:
Premium increases. Obamacare imposes age-rating rules that increase premiums for young adults. The law allows premium costs to vary by a ratio of 3 to 1 based on age. But as Heritage research shows, “The natural variation by age in medical costs is about 5 to 1—meaning that the oldest group of (non-Medicare) adults normally consumes about five times as much medical care as the youngest group.” This means that under Obamacare, young adults will pay artificially high premiums, and older adults will pay artificially low premiums. Actuaries estimate that “the effect will be to increase premiums for those ages 18–24 by 45 percent and those ages 25–29 by 35 percent while decreasing premiums for those ages 55–59 by 12 percent and those ages 60–64 by 13 percent.”
Loss of coverage. Obamacare puts in place new rules that prohibit plans with annual limits. While limited health plans may not be a long-term solution, some coverage is still better than none. Several colleges across the country have already stopped offering low-cost plans to students because of the new regulations. For example, for the 2012–2013 academic year, one college offered a plan that cost students $445 a year with an annual limit of $10,000. But Obamacare requires a minimum cap of $100,000 this year, which would increase student premiums to more than $2,000 for the new level of coverage, thus making coverage through the school an unaffordable option. For the 2013–2014 school year, the minimum cap is set at $500,000, and after that, no payout cap is allowed. This will likely lead more colleges to drop coverage, since, as a Government Accountability Office study states, “Nearly all (96 percent) of the 194 student insurance plans we reviewed established a maximum benefit amount.”
Government takeover of student loans. A provision neatly tucked into the massive health care law is an effective nationalization of the student loan industry. Obamacare ends government subsidies to private lenders and puts the federal government in charge of originating and servicing federally backed student loans. As almost anyone is eligible for a student loan, Heritage’s Lindsey Burke explains that “these policies only exacerbate the college cost crisis, continuing a vicious cycle whereby college costs rise in tandem with ever-increasing federal subsidies.… Colleges will once again be able to increase costs, and students with easy access to low-interest loans will once again be able to pay.”
Less money for education. Obamacare’s massive expansion of Medicaid, which will add almost 20 million more Americans to the program, will be difficult to sustain on already strained state budgets. As states are forced to redirect a growing portion of their budgets to Medicaid, less funding will be available for other state priorities, such as education. The Medicaid expansion will increase state spending by an additional $64 billion through 2020, and it only gets worse as federal contributions gradually decline.
Crushing fiscal burden. Younger generations will be left footing the bill for Obamacare and its irresponsible spending. Despite his many lofty promises, President Obama’s law does not reduce health insurance premiums, spending, or the deficit. The latest cost estimate for Obamacare’s insurance provisions is $1.5 trillion over the next 10 years, which still doesn’t include a full decade of spending, since the most expensive provisions don’t begin until 2014. As the national debt approaches $16 trillion and the cost of Obamacare continues to rise, younger Americans will be saddled with crushing taxes to pay for it.
Obamacare’s negative impact on young Americans is just one of many reasons the law should be repealed.


It would appear that "spreading the wealth" will ALSO be forced upon STUDENTS and young folks.. Hope they knew this when they voted...





edit: the history of this Palestinian and Israeli conflict goes back to 1947, and the ROOT of the problem (once again) is an ISLAMIC regime known as HAMMAS. Who fractured the powers and direction of Palestine long ago.
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