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Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 11, 2012 - 10:59pm PT
And there is nothing in the Constitution about unions or workers rights, despite how you'd like to twist the language therein. Current Federal Law works. As does State law.

You know, there's nothing about having political parties in the constitution and many of the founding fathers were against them

I'm thinking they were right

peace

karl
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Dec 11, 2012 - 11:04pm PT
You know, there's nothing about having political parties in the constitution and many of the founding fathers were against them

I'm thinking they were right

peace

karl


Word, my commie brother. Word.

In fact, they warned against a 2 party system if I'm not mistaken...

Sometimes Karl is spot-on.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Dec 11, 2012 - 11:13pm PT
TGT...It aint the teachers....Maybe it has to do with the fact that the parents don't give a crap about education or maybe the parents have to work 3 jobs to make ends meet and don't have time to mentor their kids...Attacking the teachers is just a Koch brothers rue to pay teachers minimum wage so the stinkin rich can squirrel a few more dollars away...But maybe you are part of the 2%...?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Dec 11, 2012 - 11:16pm PT
Unions are democracy for workers, and logical extensions of guaranteed 1st amendment rights

Again, try educating yourself - Germany's auto manufacturing industry is fully unionized, and thriving


http://www.forbes.com/sites/frederickallen/2011/12/21/germany-builds-twice-as-many-cars-as-the-u-s-while-paying-its-auto-workers-twice-as-much/

http://www.remappingdebate.org/article/tale-two-systems


Or, accept that the only way to survive is to lower your standards - your call.


Apples unt Oranges. Germany operates differently than the US. It is mostly Socialist. Also, they have almost zero defense budgets because we defend them.

Why not compare us to China? They're doing good, right?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Dec 11, 2012 - 11:17pm PT
TGT..I might add that the scandinavian countries are doing a better job of educating their children than the US is...Maybe it has to do with being progressive socialist countries that provide national healthcare for their citizens....I know this goes against what Fox news tells you to think...
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Dec 11, 2012 - 11:30pm PT
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Make no mistake there is a war against public education in America. It is fueled by corporate interests and perpetrated by conservative republicans.
Squeeze the life out of the education budget and blame the teachers.
The goal is scuttle liberal arts education and to further the ascendancy of private faith based or military schools.
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
Dec 12, 2012 - 12:25am PT
The goal is scuttle liberal arts education and to further the ascendancy of private faith based or military schools.

And to promote ignorance and uniformity, stifle creativity and critical thinking - all those things that make good conservative voters.
froodish

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 12, 2012 - 01:46am PT
What are you saying here Blue? That all union members are thugs? That because there are bad actors who are union members we should deny others their constitutional rights?


Yes, pretty much.

Wow. Just wow.
dirtbag

climber
Dec 12, 2012 - 08:11am PT
Fascism is alive and well.
can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Dec 12, 2012 - 11:30am PT
Bluering: "In fact, they warned against a 2 party system if I'm not mistaken."

BZZT you are mistaken. What we have today was a byproduct of having a presidential vs parliamentary form of govt. Madison laid it out well in the Federalist Papers #10 when he argued why a country as large as ours, with so many different factions, required a 2 party system.

If you think it's bad now, can you imagine if we had 5, 10, heck, a herd of parties as dysfunctional as our 2 parties are today? ((((SHUDDERS))))
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 12, 2012 - 03:14pm PT
Ron, Ron, Ron - dude, you have a tenuous and higly emotional relationship with 'facts'. Deficits? Don't panic dude. Post WWII deficit spending is what made America great. It finally took Clinton to put us into the black. And please note it was W who really pounded deficits back into the dirt by fighting unfunded wars, endless corporate handouts, and of course big gifts to the rich - republican policies are exactly why we're running the deficit we are, but that to shall pass.

So, really dude, as the man said: "Keep your nerve Ron, 'cause I'm gonna keep mine."



P.S. While presidents can propose deficit cutting, only congress can actually do it. So when the republican-controlled House deliberately conspires to keep deficits high for four years as a political strategy for the next election, it's hardly Obama's fault. The public just demonstrated they understand that which is why republicans are going to be the ones on the bottom for the landing if we do go off their cliff.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Dec 12, 2012 - 04:07pm PT
P.S. While presidents can propose deficit cutting, only congress can actually do it. So when the republican-controlled House deliberately conspires to keep deficits high for four years as a political strategy for the next election, it's hardly Obama's fault. The public just demonstrated they understand that which is why republicans are going to be the ones on the bottom for the landing if we do go off their cliff.

A few of the many problems with that argument:

1. The Republicans controlled the House for only the last two years. During the first two years of Obama's presidency, and for two years before that, the Nancy Pelosi gang controlled the House;

2. The President's budget was rejected unanimously in both the House and Senate;

3. The Democrats in the Senate have insured that no budget was been passed there for over three years.

4. The real problem is that the American people have demonstrated that they don't want to do anything that really brings down the deficit. They only support taxing "the rich" (i.e., don't tax me, tax someone else), they don't support cutting spending anywhere, they don't support entitlement reform, and they want everything to remain the same. The fact that this has as much chance of happening as King Canute's command to the waves testifies quite eloquently about the state of general economic understanding both of the public, and of the media from which we hear our news.

John
John M

climber
Dec 12, 2012 - 04:19pm PT
so he just makes it up as he goes along then, because he DID PROMISE to cut our deficit in half his first term.

You do understand that there is a difference between budget deficit and national debt? Don't you?
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 12, 2012 - 04:20pm PT
4. The real problem is that the American people have demonstrated that they don't want to do anything that really brings down the deficit. They only support taxing "the rich" (i.e., don't tax me, tax someone else), they don't support cutting spending anywhere, they don't support entitlement reform, and they want everything to remain the same. The fact that this has as much chance of happening as King Canute's command to the waves testifies quite eloquently about the state of general economic understanding both of the public, and of the media from which we hear our news.

Your Buckley-esque lament is nothing more than a more eloquent, coded version of "free stuff". Not really a reality and, hey, the deficits are undeniably a direct result of republican military adventurism, tax breaks to the wealth, and successive cuts in the corporate tax rate. It ain't rocket science. And the dem senate rejected house budgets because they were explicitly designed, by republicans, to be rejected.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 12, 2012 - 04:22pm PT
All tied to this global demon that's been created and put upon us.

It's a demon entirely of our own making - no one has put it upon us. And is that how you feel when you don't get up a pitch? You just have to get over this simplistic language, us vs. them, good/evil, b&w crap. Sure, the real world is complex and nuanced, but I have faith in your ability to eventually get a grip on it.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 12, 2012 - 04:34pm PT
The government didn't do that - corporations did that. Corporations with corporate boards and management run overwhelmingly by republicans. They sold your America down the tube, the middle class with it, and raped pension fund after pension fund for good measure along the way. And lockstep at their side every step of the way has been one chickhawk republican administration after another.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Dec 12, 2012 - 08:57pm PT
I find well-known (CNBC) Stock Pundit, Jim Cramer's frustration with Congress-people during his visit to DC this week to be------frustrating.


http://money.msn.com/top-stocks/post.aspx?post=22e25d24-06f8-4afc-92c6-a1208c5dd1da

The lack of sincerity in Washington, D.C., was palpable Tuesday. Over and over, I could not get a single elected official I spoke with, neither Republican nor Democrat, to give me even one idea for cutting spending right now. Not one.

I made tons of suggestions that could be implemented Wednesday.

Why do we have huge military bases in Japan and Europe? These are just leftovers from another era. There are whole defense projects that not even the Defense Department wants.

How about farm subsidies? Ethanol subsidies? Nope.

How about Medicare negotiating with drug companies? Nope. I heard from one poll that the drug companies might move elsewhere. Where? We are the only country that lets them gouge us. I heard that the drug companies wouldn't feel compelled to spend money to develop new drugs. I wanted to scream: Did you ever hear about patent cliffs?

Outrageous.

The Republicans were absolutely no better than the Democrats. In fact, they were worse. When I stipulated that I am not interested in talking about raising revenues because they say over and over that the issue is spending, they still talked about raising revenues. When I insisted that they talk about what they say they insisted on talking about, they wouldn't. They simply wouldn't.



I could never get away with that level of hypocrisy.

Ever.

Infuriating.

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I came away thinking that there is nothing the Republicans won't do to be sure that the 2% don't pay more, including throw people out of work and make everyone else pay, which is what's going to happen if they don't compromise.


And the president? He has no serious plan to cut spending either -- but at least he is willing to give something that helps balance the budget (read on TheStreet).

I am going to repeat this so it is really clear: NO Republican offered me anything to cut spending in the near-term. Not one.

If you are serious about spending cuts, you have to be able to offer one.



My conclusion: Republicans aren't any more serious than Democrats are, but at least the Democrats are asking someone to help solve the deficit, the cohort that got the big break on taxes when things weren't so hot.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 12, 2012 - 09:31pm PT



Union Thugs Demolish Clint Tarver’s Iconic Lansing,Michigan Hot Dog Cart [Photo-Donation Link] Update: Thugs Yelled “N*gger, Uncle Tom” Update 5: Audio: Clint Confirms The Slurs On The Dana Loesch Show



Great work by your thugs there!
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 12, 2012 - 11:03pm PT


Clint describes the attack by white union racist thugs.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Dec 13, 2012 - 10:47am PT
"so he just makes it up as he goes along then, because he DID PROMISE to cut out deficit in half his first term.."

Yeah he must be the dumbest Presidont evah eh?
I mean he probably thought the other side of the aisle would pitch in considering the dire need of the Nation at the time..
What with the calamity Spurious George left behind and the lunacy of the McShame / Phalin ticket it was reasonable to expect the RePuBuloids to actually do something to help the Nation. Anything.
Their brilliant four year agenda was to obstruct the Kenyan Muslim's efforts at every turn. So how'd that work out for them? How'd it work out for you Rong? I wonder how much better We as a Nation would be right now if the right wing would have helped the left wing keep the body in flight.

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