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Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 1, 2012 - 03:16am PT
A discussion? You don't discuss, you pontificate/regurgitate anti-American garbage and baseless hate speech.

Election's over, the American people decided and your side lost. Contribute to the greatness of our country, or STFU.
slayton

Trad climber
Here and There
Dec 1, 2012 - 03:21am PT
[quote]QITNL: [/They were ex-SEALs. Having climbed with one, they'd be the first remind you of that distinction. They were working as security contractors, in which no way detracts from their services, but presents an entirely different scenario in military chain of command. So just call them "former SEALs" and carry on.]

Were they?? Do you have a link? Or maybe I missed it. If they were "contractors" it certainly would be a game changer in terms of chain of command and where hoped for support would be coming from.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Dec 1, 2012 - 03:21am PT
A discussion? You don't discuss, you pontificate anti-American garbage and baseless hate speech.


Give discussion a chance, bro. Why ya gotta hate?

Wanna discuss this?
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 1, 2012 - 03:22am PT
Well, I called for Mubarak over the Muzzie Brotherhood, right???

I don't know, did you?

It seems the people of Egypt chose someone else. But I guess maybe you're not into democracy?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Dec 1, 2012 - 03:23am PT
Were they?? Do you have a link? Or maybe I missed it. If they were "contractors" it certainly would be a game changer in terms of chain of command and where hoped for support would be coming from.


CIA, bra. But the SEALs were prolly DoD contractors with all the tools of the trade.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 1, 2012 - 03:26am PT
Give discussion a chance, bro. Why ya gotta hate?

Wanna discuss this?


Brah. Bro. Broheim.

We've all seen years of you railing away, none the wiser for all your "discussion". The time for discussion is over. I'm just tired of such classless political behavior. There's not a moment where people like you want to see a unified country and actually WORK towards solutions. Tearing down is all your type know and it's why we voted against your ilk.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Dec 1, 2012 - 03:27am PT
I don't know, did you?

It seems the people of Egypt chose someone else. But I guess maybe you're not into democracy?


Yes, I did! Mubarak was fine. He was a dick, like Assad, but he kept sh#t stable and somewhat well.

Democracy is for idiots. Republics is where it's at, or at least Parliamentary-type gov'ts.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Dec 1, 2012 - 03:29am PT
Brah. Bro. Broheim.

We've all seen years of you railing away, none the wiser for all your "discussion". The time for discussion is over. I'm just tired of such classless political behavior. There's not a moment where people like you want to see a unified country and actually WORK towards solutions. Tearing down is all your type know and it's why we voted against your ilk.


Alright. Whatever, bro....
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 1, 2012 - 03:31am PT
Yup, it's like whatever, brah.

Americans like me are tired of ceaseless whining and no solutions. If there weren't free speech issues involved, they should outlaw asshats like you from talking your sh#t for 2 years. 2 years of listening and maybe working towards solutions. If after those 2 years you're still a whiny little asshat, well, then you get to talk your smack up to the elections. It's when you f*#kwits won't shut up even when the elections should damn well cued you to shut you up we get tired of your crap. STFU, sore loser.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Dec 1, 2012 - 03:41am PT
Yup, it's like whatever, brah.

Americans like me are tired of ceaseless whining and no solutions. If there weren't free speech issues involved, they should outlaw asshats like you from talking your sh#t for 2 years. 2 years of listening and maybe working towards solutions. If after those 2 years you're still a whiny little asshat, well, then you get to talk your smack up to the elections. It's when you f*#kwits won't shut up even when the elections should damn well cued you to shut you up we get tired of your crap. STFU, sore loser.


You realize that while you think you're really progressive and liberated, you are espousing the same sh#t of national socialists and communists?

Can you see this? Read a f*#king history book.

Americans like me are tired of ceaseless whining and no solutions.

What f*#king solutions are those? When are the going to accrue? We do we see hope? Change?

Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 1, 2012 - 03:44am PT
You realize that while you think you're really progressive and liberated, you are espousing the same sh#t of national socialists and communists?

Can you see this? Read a f*#king history book.


You don't have a clue how I see myself. I'm tired of you and your ilk's ceaseless whining. You're classless losers with nothing to contribute. You lose. STFU.
QITNL

climber
Dec 1, 2012 - 03:50am PT
slayton - happy to provide a source. Here's a good one - a history book, even. Go to

http://www.costellofuneralhome.com/obituaries.htm

and search for Doherty. Click on Glen Anthony Doherty, you'll find:

Glen Anthony Doherty
September 12, 2012



July 10, 1970 – September 12, 2012

Glen's Funeral Mass was held on Wed., Sept. 19 at 11AM in St. Eulalia Church, 50 Ridge St., Winchester.

In a touching display of patriotism and respect, friends, students and members of the community lined the funeral route, which began at Costello Funeral Home at 10:30AM and traveled in procession to St. Eulalia Church in Winchester for a Funeral Mass at 11AM.

At the family's request, in lieu of flowers, donations in Glen's memory may be made to the Glen Doherty Memorial Foundation P.O. Box 716 Marblehead, MA 01945. http://www.glendohertyfoundation.org, the SEAL foundation http://www.navysealfoundation.org or to the Special Operations Warrior Foundation http://www.specialops.org.

Glen Anthony Doherty was the second of three children born to Bernard “Ben” Doherty, now of Charlestown, Mass, and Barbara Doherty, now of Woburn, Massachusetts. His older brother is Greg Doherty of Kensington, California, his younger sister Kate Quigley of Marblehead, Mass. The siblings were great lifelong friends.

They grew up in Winchester, Mass, across the street from a patch of woods where they first fell in love with the outdoors. Ben Doherty, the son of Irish immigrants who kept a chicken farm in Billerica, Mass, is a former boxer and Massachusetts boxing commissioner, as well as a successful stockbroker, who raised the children to be athletic, tough, hard-working and family-minded. Barbara Doherty, who opened and for years ran a candy store in Lexington called The Candy Castle, is an extremely warm-hearted and friendly woman who raised her children to be kind to everyone, and who opened her home as a second home for all her children’s friends.

Glen was very loyal to his friends and family. He kept the same core group of friends since elementary school, and it was their loyalty to each other and fun-loving nature, as well as Barbara’s welcoming home, that brought them from being a one-time crew of social misfits to the center of an awful lot of damn fun people of all stripes who remain tight to this day.

After high school, Glen attended Embry Riddle aeronautical university in Arizona, where he flew planes, rode a motorcycle and decided that the only thing cooler to do than what he was doing would be to up and leave. His fearlessness took many forms throughout his life, but was always at his core. He became a ski bum at Snowbird, Utah in the winters, working at restaurants and becoming a phenomenal skier on both regular and telemark skis, as well as a talented cook and afterparty expert. In the summers, he was a white water rafting guide down the Colorado River, where his knowledge of the outdoors, his responsibility and his abilities to tell a great tall tale and to get everyone to have fun made multi-day journeys from Moab to Lake Powell experiences of a lifetime for many. He was always a hard worker and extremely responsible, which never managed to drive a wedge between him and the lovable riff-raff who shared his lifestyle. His athleticism also led him to become a triathlete during this period. The many friends he gathered during these years always remained as dear to him as he was to them, and he took every opportunity, usually meaning a few weeks a year, to return to his beloved mountains and friends in Utah.

A desire to push himself and to use his talents to make genuine change in the world led him to join the Navy SEALS in 1995. He passed the training and became a paramedic and sniper with the Middle East as his area of operations. His team responded to the USS Cole attack, among other missions. In 2001, he got his knees reconstructed and was planning on exiting the military when September 11th happened. He now was not allowed to leave and didn’t want to. He married Sonja Johnson, his girlfriend who he’d known since high school, and went overseas again. He participated in two tours of the 2003 Gulf War, “Iraqi Freedom.” In the first, his team began by securing the Kuwait oil fields before the invasion officially began to prevent the environmentally disastrous recurrence of them being burned, as had happened under Saddam Hussein’s orders during Desert Storm in 1991. Then they led the earliest Marine contingents battling on the move from the south of Iraq towards Baghdad. He was peeled from his unit for sniper duty for several days, returned to it before the taking of Baghdad, and continued with them to take Saddam’s hometown of Tikrit, where they finally got a breather in Hussein’s riverside palaces once those were cleared. He returned for another tour to the troubled country the following year. About fighting in Iraq, he simply believed that the possibility of liberating the country from a tyrant and making democracy possible for the Iraqi people was worth him risking his own life for. In typical Glen fashion, he made close lifelong friends with a number of his team members.

In 2005, he exited the SEALS, but remained focused on the region through private security contracting work that generally took him to the region in a pattern of about 3 months overseas, a month or two back home. He worked for peace and security in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, and elsewhere. Each gig was a different situation, some hairy, some boring, most both in alternating fashion. The pattern took a toll on his home life, and he got divorced. When at home, thereafter, he lived the life of Riley, bouncing between the beaches and Cross-fit facilities of San Diego, the mountains of Utah, and his family and friends in Massachusetts and around the country. He was the glue that kept many social scenes together. Once he flew all his closest friends and family members to Mexico for a beach vacation and put them up in cabins for a weekend, because that was what his priorities were about: time together. He was full of hilarious and adventuresome stories, of which you generally had to shave off about a quarter of the details to get at the pure facts, if those were your concern. He was a master of both smalltalk and encouragement. He wrote a book on sniping, 21st Century Sniper: A Complete Practical Guide with his friend Brandon Webb. He grew about as settled as he was inclined to allow himself to get with a good woman named Shannon Shepherd. His way of making everyone around him feel special and loved came from the fact that he genuinely looked up to all his friends, always seeing their greatness in a way they sometimes wished they could see themselves, and from the fact that he felt for them the purest and most loyal of love.

—Greg Doherty

The following quotes were collected by Glen's friend Brandon Webb:

“My friend Glen: He would never pound his chest or tell you how great he was. Glen was a great listener and always had experienced advice. He was the jack-of-all-trades AND master of all. A rare person that was great at everything he did. A warrior spirit balanced by the kindest of hearts.

Glen this is me pounding your chest for you. Glen died protecting the Ambassador 11SEPT2012. I know, wherever you are, the surf is sic, the powder is perfect, and your smile is beaming. You are missed and never forgotten.”

Clinton Emerson, friend and former Navy SEAL

“Glen was without a doubt the most liked man I've ever met. He was the conduit through which hundreds of people knew one another and kept in touch and up to date with each other. I can't remember ever hearing anyone say a bad thing about the man, which I find particularly interesting considering he was one of the most genuine men I've known. He was a brother in arms as well as a brother in life.

Don't cry for Glen, he would not approve. Celebrate a man who lived well and died with a gun is his hands, fighting for those too weak to fight for themselves.”

SH9, friend and former Navy SEAL

"Glen was a superb and respected operator, a true quiet professional. He also knew how to have fun, and loved anything involving recreation. Don’t feel sorry for him, he wouldn’t have it. He died serving with men he respected, protecting the freedoms we enjoy as Americans and doing something he loved. He was a best friend and one of the finest human beings I've ever known.”

Brandon Webb, friend and former Navy SEAL.

Glenn was the self-proclaimed "high priest" of "The Cult of Recreationalism". Membership required you to attempt at least one recreational pursuit a day. Anything from surfing or golf to cross fit or a run. It inspired me to take up new interests and stay competitive.

Glenn excelled at everything. He is one of those people who could do something for the first time and make it look like he had mastered the skill years earlier. Glenn Doherty. Irreplaceable friend

B. Curtis, friend and former Navy SEAL

"Glen Doherty was a true American hero in every essence of the word. He embodied the selfless spirit, unwavering determination to succeed, and dedication to our country that sets the standard for what every American should strive to be. The loss of this incredible warrior is one that will forever hurt this nations heart, as Glen was truly a gift to the many people that knew him, and even to the ones who didn't. There is nothing he wouldn't do to help those that were close to him, and he never met a stranger. Glen was one of the finest men I have ever had the pleasure of knowing, and the brotherhood mourns the loss of one of its very best. Fair winds and following seas brother, we will see you on the other side."

Mike Ritland, friend and former Navy SEAL
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Dec 1, 2012 - 03:53am PT
You don't have a clue how I see myself. I'm tired of you and your ilk's ceaseless whining. You're classless losers with nothing to contribute. You lose. STFU.


I don't really give f*#k about you, bro. I thought we were discussing policy. I thought we were exchanging political ideas.

Yes, I whine because I don't like the course of the country. I want to be free again, not burdened by gov't, or more rules.

Leave me alone. Gov't is too big and too intrusive!
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Dec 1, 2012 - 03:57am PT
Thanks for posting that, Qitnl.

May Glen rest in peace....
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 1, 2012 - 04:01am PT
I don't really give f*#k about you, bro. I thought we were discussing policy. I thought we were exchanging political ideas.

Yes, I whine because I don't like the course of the country. I want to be free again, not burdened by gov't, or more rules.

Leave me alone. Gov't is too big and too intrusive!


Exchanging, dicussing.... riiiggghht.

No government? That's anarchism. If you believe you can somehow survive without government in this day and age, you are living in a fairytale land. What you want is to get something while giving nothing, and you're too dumb to realize you support the agenda of a class you don't even belong to.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Dec 1, 2012 - 04:05am PT
Exchanging, dicussing.... riiiggghht.

No government? That's anarchism. If you believe you can somehow survive without government in this day and age, you are living in a fairytale land. What you want is to get something while giving nothing, and you're too dumb to realize you support the agenda of a class you don't even belong to.


I never said no gov't. Just a lot less. Read a Constitution.
slayton

Trad climber
Here and There
Dec 1, 2012 - 04:08am PT
CIA, bra. But the SEALs were prolly DoD contractors with all the tools of the trade.

Blue, I'm not a bra. If they were actual SEALS they would be part of the actual military, they wouldn't have been "contractors" of any sort. There is a difference.

The military has gone further and further out contracting labor for all sorts of its needs from kitchen, laundry, janitorial, and even security details. If the security forces involved in Benghazi weren't actual military but were in reality contracted security forces it changes everything.

This is just speculation based on an above post by QITNL. Asked for a link to back it up but haven't received a response yet. I'm doing alright regardless.

Check out the book Halliburton's Army for an enlightening journey on just how far the military has gone in outsourcing its operations.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 1, 2012 - 04:19am PT

I never said no gov't. Just a lot less. Read a Constitution.


I have. Idiot.
QITNL

climber
Dec 1, 2012 - 04:21am PT
slayton, i provided the verification you requested, look above, it's huge. explicitly stated, i don't speculate. this was reported since day one.

"In 2005, he exited the SEALS" - "friend and former Navy SEAL" etc. i didn't feel right chopping up the dude's obit to prove a point in some dumb argument, dig?

you're right - it's a huge difference.

maybe we could could post remembrances of everyone who was killed in Bengazi. maybe we could stop bickering for a moment and honor them. including the good guys who were kinda brown. that could take some work. we'll never hear about them.

here's the obit for our ambassador in the Daily Cal. it pays to learn arabic, smart guy. perhaps your average democrat, possibly above-average. maybe a communist. i don't know, i don't care. your call:

http://www.dailycal.org/2012/09/13/stevens-justin/

Christopher Stevens, ambassador to Libya and UC Berkeley alumnus, dies at 52



Long before J. Christopher Stevens was the U.S. ambassador to Libya, he was hitting the books at Moffitt Library as a UC Berkeley student studying for his Arabic finals.

Stevens, who was killed at the age of 52 after the American consulate in Benghazi was attacked Tuesday night, is remembered by his peers and mentors as a one-of-a-kind student, a dear friend and a 1982 UC Berkeley alumnus.

“He was universally very well-liked, and the work that he ultimately ended up migrating to suited him,” said Steve Tovani. “Being a diplomat, being a peacemaker, even putting himself in the line of danger is not surprising to me.”

Tovani was one pledge class ahead of Stevens at the UC Berkeley campus chapter of Alpha Tau Omega. He met Stevens at the chapter’s house during a rush event in Stevens’ freshman year.

“The day he walked into the house I just knew he was the guy that we wanted in the fraternity,” Tovani said. “He had this very easygoing, kind, gentle manner, and it exuded this kind of friendliness.”

Like many Cal students, Stevens frequented longstanding Berkeley institutions like Top Dog and Kip’s Bar, according to Tovani. He enjoyed playing intramural football, attending home games at Memorial Stadium and going to parties to “hoist a beer once in a while,” Tovani said.

As a history major, Stevens was particularly fascinated with the Middle East and could be heard practicing Arabic at the ATO house. Stevens also expressed a fondness for discussion while conversing with the diverse array of characters on Sproul Plaza, according to Tovani.

“Leaving high school he was all of a sudden immersed in a much bigger pond,” Tovani said. “A lot of his interests, goals, and dreams were sparked by his experiences at Cal.”

After Stevens graduated from UC Berkeley, he spent two years with the Peace Corps teaching English in Morocco, according to a statement from Peace Corps Director Aaron Williams. The experience allowed him to nourish a passion for foreign service before working toward a law degree at UC Hastings College of the Law.

UC Hastings professor David Levine taught one of Stevens’ first classes at law school and was impressed by his dedication and perseverance.

“Some people catch your eye, and Chris was one of those people,” Levine said. “He knew what he was doing, he was interested in foreign service and he had a deep interest in the Middle East.”

After Stevens began his career with the Foreign Service in 1991, he worked in Israel, Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Libya, according to his U.S. Department of State biography.

“We were especially thrilled when Ambassador Stevens was named to his post, since he had a longstanding reputation as someone who had local knowledge of Libya, and understood — indeed cared deeply for — Libyan culture, politics and aspirations,” said Emily Gottreich, UC Berkeley professor and president of the American Institute for Maghrib Studies.

Levine said that while he is saddened by the sudden death of Stevens, he admires his commitment to serving the public.

“He earned a public education from Berkeley and Hastings before immediately applying his knowledge to public service,” Levine said. “This is what the University of California is all about.”

full disclosure: i know all about underage drinking on the ucb campus, liberating nitrous oxide from frat boys, chased with a top dog or two. don't tell my mom, but that's a balanced meal.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 1, 2012 - 12:27pm PT
Democracy is for idiots.

Kinda says it all.

You've only had about 1.3 million countrymen die for it.

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