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Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 21, 2012 - 10:55am PT
Such a shameful and sad story above on indefinite detention of citizens. Americans and their politicians have become such cowards to permit such an evil perversion of the heart of the constitution. Obama and Bush are both responsible and worthy of disrespect over this

Even Rome in the time of Christ had greater protections for its citizens and they threw Christians to Lions

Peace

Karl
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Jan 6, 2013 - 01:25pm PT
It's OBOMERS fault. If he hadn't imposed sanctions, they would be able to have first class, safe, uranium enrichment sites.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Feb 18, 2013 - 02:23pm PT
like the article in yesterday's Sunday NYTimes, "Can the Republicans Be Saved From Obsolescence?"
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/17/magazine/can-the-republicans-be-saved-from-obsolescence.html
ROBERT DRAPER

many good observations and wonderful lines in that one... from the mouths of the young faction of the G.O.P....

but this one might be pertinent to this discussion, and some food for thought about the next couple of decades... taking from the Democrat's history...

“It ought to concern people that the most Republican part of the electorate under Ronald Reagan were 18-to-29-year-olds. And today, people I know who are under 40 are embarrassed to say they’re Republicans. They’re embarrassed! They get harassed for it, the same way we used to give liberals a hard time.”

what goes around, comes around
John M

climber
Feb 18, 2013 - 02:45pm PT
Ron.. I doubt Ed's post was strictly about who is better. Its about .."what goes around comes around". It doesn't matter if its a liberal doing it or a conservative. If you treat the other side with disrespect, you can expect it will eventually come back to bite you. Right now the GOP is reaping the rewards or belittling the liberals for decades. I believe that there is a lesson in that and the liberals would be wise to not belittle the needs of the conservatives, or the pendulum will swing back the other way. Balance is what is needed.

I personally find it hard to do because after having been derided as a dirty little hippie for so long, I can barely stomach many conservatives. So I have to work hard to be respectful. And it seems like the conservatives still haven't learned the lessons of being disrespectful. They are still predominately incredibly arrogant.
John M

climber
Feb 18, 2013 - 03:13pm PT
You liberals just want free stuff.

Damn Straight!. LOL

...

good post Bruce..
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Mar 27, 2013 - 07:08pm PT
Where's my free stuff? sh#t I'm happy with 20% off most times.

Ron, that does seem unjustifiable. is that spelt right?
paul roehl

Boulder climber
california
Mar 27, 2013 - 07:33pm PT
[youtube=http://youtu.be/wiVjpbFzdeE]

Maybe it all started right here. All the nasty arguing and bickering, the great wedge between left and right, the absolute sureness so many have with regard to their own subjective political view.
Off White

climber
Tenino, WA
Mar 27, 2013 - 10:34pm PT
Damn couch baby, your teatard leanings never get this quantity of response back home, looks like you've found a new hobby.

Yeah, and that's it, I already regret poking my head into a political Supertorpid thread...

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 14, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
Hey,

it's only going to effect those 1%ers
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 14, 2013 - 02:50pm PT
Different era,


same methods and motivations.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Apr 15, 2013 - 02:04pm PT
your commentary is as incisive and compelling as ever...
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Apr 15, 2013 - 02:06pm PT
Ron, how often do skydivers jump from above 18,000' (the lower limit of 'controlled airspace')?
Most turbine jump planes that I have seen are Twin Otters so they are
not allowed to go that high unless the pilot is using oxygen.

It is still a stupid tax.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Apr 15, 2013 - 02:22pm PT
Ron, as far as I know jumping is only allowed in 'uncontrolled airspace'
unless special arrangements are made with the FAA or ATC. It may be that
jumping above FL 180 is SOP at heavily used jumping facilities. The one at
Perris comes to mind but it isn't that far from the final approach to March AFB.
Of course, nobody on the approach is going to be above 18K' but fighter jets
have been known to undertake 'creative' approaches.

Monday morning humour interlude:
One time I was flying my sailplane out of Hemet, just a few miles from Perris
on the other side of the March approach, and I was intently working
a thermal cause I had allowed myself to get kind of low (meaning almost out
of gliding distance back to the field). I gained a couple thousand feet and
was starting to breathe easier when all of a sudden a dark mass appeared in
my peripheral vision and quickly blotted out the ground! A C-141 Starlifter
passed directly below me! He looked so close and so big it appeared I could
have landed on his topside, if I could have caught him. I used the altitude
I had gained to get someplace safer. ;-)
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Apr 15, 2013 - 02:29pm PT
Not all airports - many, maybe even most, small airports are in 'uncontrolled' airspace.
Even an airport with a tower can be in uncontrolled airspace,
and I can think of quite a few.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2014 - 10:47pm PT
Will wonders never cease. Ralph Nader must have been reading my posts. He's jumped on board the idea that President Obama should not in any circumstance be the judge, jury and executioner. In my mind and in keeping with the law of the land, NO President has this right.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/ralph-nader-book-103908.html

Titled "Ralph Nader: Obama the ’executioner’"

highlight - "Obama “has extended the Bush doctrine by declaring his unilateral right, as secret prosecutor, judge, jury, and executioner, to destroy anybody, anywhere in the world, including American citizens, suspected to be engaged in alleged terrorist activities, all this vaguely and loosely defined as anti-U.S. security.”

If he can kill anybody, then YOU, reading this, (or me bitching) can also be defined as a terrorist and simply killed. Wrong on so many levels. Glad to see Nader, essentially a trial lawyer shill, jump on the bandwagon and make the case.




Nader's book makes the case for a bipartisan effort to 'dismantle the corporate state.'
By PATRICK GAVIN | 2/25/14 6:33 AM EST

In his new book, Ralph Nader calls for the end of “unconstitutional wars and unchecked militarism” — and lays blame on President Barack Obama for going beyond even George W. Bush.

Nader writes in “Unstoppable” that Obama “has extended the Bush doctrine by declaring his unilateral right, as secret prosecutor, judge, jury, and executioner, to destroy anybody, anywhere in the world, including American citizens, suspected to be engaged in alleged terrorist activities, all this vaguely and loosely defined as anti-U.S. security.”


He continues, “Inspired by the military actions of the Clinton administration, the Obama and Bush teams made a seamless transition into a militarized foreign policy, extending even further the illegal reach of wars of choice, invasions, incursions, and drone attacks, carried out irrespective of national sovereignties.”

The consumer crusader’s new book also makes the case for a bipartisan effort to “dismantle the corporate state.”

Nader, best known recently for his unsuccessful presidential runs, writes in “Unstoppable” (out in April), that “positive spirited persons of the Right and of the Left” can, in fact, come together.

“This book is addressed first to those people who are not knee-jerk rejectionists,” Nader writes. “It’s meant for those who want to explore another beckoning pathway — one that can rescue our country from being driven further into the ground and turn into a nation where many more of its inhabitants can fulfill their potential.”

(Also on POLITICO: Ralph Nader's plans for 2016)

“A major area of potential for building alliances comes from the deep aversion many people have to the wars of empire and corporate control over their lives, particularly the ever-tightening influence of Big Business on the mainstream media, elections, and our local, state, and federal governments.”

Much of the book focuses on Nader’s 25 proposed reforms, including linking the minimum wage with inflation and rethinking the war on drugs.

“The classification and prosecution of drug use as a crime has activated and corrupted law enforcement, encouraged a truly self-defeating form of big government, endangered urban neighborhoods and many thousands of lives, and drained tens of billions of dollars a year from taxpayers.”

Nader says that “almost all the politicians are for sale — with few enough successful exceptions to point to as the preferable, contrasting alternative of politicians actually concerned with the good of the people.”


Nader — no regular on the D.C. cocktail circuit — admits that pushing against the corporate state has its downfalls, especially for conservatives.

“Your social life might shut down,” he writes. “Invitations to homes and restaurants for dinner start to decline. You’re not on the guest list anymore. Outings with your customary friends and their families become rarer. Your deviation from the norm is seen as apostasy or blasphemy. A few tough-skinned conservatives may shrug this off. Most are hurt and cannot easily abide ostracism.”
couchmaster

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 16, 2014 - 07:46pm PT
I was asked:
"So Couchmaster, I have to ask you why you don't admonish Rong for such denigration of Hillary Clinton."

As I have said a few times before, I rarely read Rons posts. Rarely means that it is very very uncommon, but it does occur. I have been sucked into previous conversations and on occasion asked him questions. On those occasions I monitor the threads reading his posts and have been answered. Otherwise, I just don't read his posts, unlike some who hang on his every word so they can be nasty to him.
John M

climber
Jun 16, 2014 - 07:56pm PT
a year and a half ago you weren't as blinded by anger and bitterness.

……..


good post at the top of the page Couchmaster..
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