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rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 2, 2012 - 09:02pm PT
Ron, i can't attest to the accuracy of the info from the blog of a blog of a blog anymore than i can attest to the accuracy of the info these other posters use to bolster their "opinions" on. I am highly suspect of any information currently available on any medium, it all seems like propaganda whose purpose is to manipulate the masses and pit american against american.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Dec 2, 2012 - 10:10pm PT
Ron, i can't attest to the accuracy of the info from the blog of a blog of a blog anymore than i can attest to the accuracy of the info these other posters use to bolster their "opinions" on. I am highly suspect of any information currently available on any medium, it all seems like propaganda whose purpose is to manipulate the masses and pit american against american.


I agree, but at some point you have to analyze available data and extrapolate what you can based on the data available. You have to use your own judgement based on what is presented.

You can't just say everything is BS. Gotta sift through the sh#t with a comb though!
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Dec 2, 2012 - 10:17pm PT
Karl, everyone knows we have AT LEAST a hundred years of oil (shale/oil/ etc..). Some say 200 years. Not to mention Canada (Keystone?) and Mexico. We should tell the f*#king Saudis to f*#k themselves and pound sand!

Let's do more business with our North American bros.

Rick is right too. The Russians are feisty little f*#kers. Let's not f*#k with them. Like Libya/Syria. We saw how that turned out.

We need to back off. Come home. Regroup. We are positioned nicely to do this. Let them eat themselves to pieces. We have a nice body of water insulating US from THEM.

F*#k them!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 2, 2012 - 10:26pm PT
As a Russian Studies major I can wholeheartedly aver that whoever
occupies the Kremlin for the foreseeable future will be unequivocally
opposed to anything the US is in favor of. Russians wrote the book
on xenophobia.

As concerns Egypt anybody who is surprised by Mursi's shenanigans
has no clue. There is no word in Arabic for 'democracy'. My wife's
family has 100 years of experience in Egypt and Africa and I have
benefited mightily from their collective wisdom. Regardless of who
occupies the White House you can rest assured that any response
to the Middle East or Africa will be amateurish at best. I have been
quite amazed at Obama's indifference to Africa.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Dec 2, 2012 - 11:04pm PT
Sigh.

Bluering! Re your post:

Karl, everyone knows we have AT LEAST a hundred years of oil (shale/oil/ etc..). Some say 200 years. Not to mention Canada (Keystone?) and Mexico. We should tell the f*#king Saudis to f*#k themselves and pound sand!

Let's do more business with our North American bros.

Rick is right too. The Russians are feisty little f*#kers. Let's not f*#k with them. Like Libya/Syria. We saw how that turned out.

We need to back off. Come home. Regroup. We are positioned nicely to do this. Let them eat themselves to pieces. We have a nice body of water insulating US from THEM.

F*#k them!


If you don't look at our history: it seems so logical to just tell the rest of the world to "Fuk-off."

As a nation, we did that after World War One and ignored the rise of Hitler's Germany, until Franklin Roosevelt and a few of his “far-sighted” advisors forced us to start supporting England, and mobilizing for WWII.

Likewise George W. Bush tried to pull back from Clinton’s administration being “policeman to the world” and then received his and our punishment in Sept. 2011.

Sorry Dooede! We are not an isolated nation any longer.

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 2, 2012 - 11:08pm PT
Barry thinks "the brotherhood" is cool. (or at least has stayed silent about them)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2241374/Muslim-Brotherhood-paying-gangs-rape-women-beat-men-protesting-Egypt-thousands-demonstrators-pour-streets.html

Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 2, 2012 - 11:12pm PT
I could only imagine one of you clowns winning the Secretary of State Sweepstakes. We'd be at war with the entire ME in about 0.4 seconds. You guys have all the tact of a fart in a phone booth!
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Dec 2, 2012 - 11:35pm PT
Well there is a promise you could not keep.

Try to remember you are impotent not omnipotent.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Dec 2, 2012 - 11:53pm PT
If you don't look at our history: it seems so logical to just tell the rest of the world to "Fuk-off."

As a nation, we did that after World War One and ignored the rise of Hitler's Germany, until Franklin Roosevelt and a few of his “far-sighted” advisors forced us to start supporting England, and mobilizing for WWII.

Likewise George W. Bush tried to pull back from Clinton’s administration being “policeman to the world” and then received his and our punishment in Sept. 2011.

Sorry Dooede! We are not an isolated nation any longer.

Don't misunderstand me. We have capabilities to strike anyone, anywhere without using nukes. That is one tool in the toolbox. An effective one too.

Just because we come home doesn't mean we stop firing.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Dec 2, 2012 - 11:59pm PT
Yeah Hedge but there are 4 brave Americans dead because Obama told the Muslim Brotherhood to attack. What are you gunna do about it? And then there is Burma, that Middle East Hot Spot.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Dec 3, 2012 - 12:01am PT
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Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Dec 3, 2012 - 12:14am PT
Bluering! Thanks for your kindly reply to my concerns about you wanting us to once-again become isolated from world events.

Don't misunderstand me. We have capabilities to strike anyone, anywhere without using nukes. That is one tool in the toolbox. An effective one too.

Just because we come home doesn't mean we stop firing.


**Wow!
That's Awesome!
So we and God both are going to punish those sinners for fuking with the USA?**
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Dec 3, 2012 - 12:27am PT
Oh Yeah Hedge, well...but, but... Fast and Furious and brave Americans So There.
And don't forget those commies like Hitler, Hirihito and Obumble.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2012 - 10:30am PT
Ralph Nader lays it out, he doesn't think Obama is his savior like these guys on Supertopo:

In an interview with POLITICO's Patrick Gavin, Ralph Nader makes a clear statement about the current president's record on foreign policy, saying that Obama is worse than George W. Bush”

“He’s gone beyond George W. Bush in drones, for example. He thinks the world is his plate, that national sovereignties mean nothing, drones can go anywhere. They can kill anybody that he suspects and every Tuesday he makes the call on who lives and who dies, supposed suspects in places like Yemen and Pakistan and Afghanistan, and that is a war crime and he ought to be held to account.”


http://www.politico.com/multimedia/video/2012/09/nader-obama-worse-than-bush.html
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Dec 3, 2012 - 11:11am PT
Come on Couch get over it. I can't think of any one other than you rightwingnutz that refers to President Obama as a or the "Savior". You are deluded to think so. BHO is not perfect. No President could be. We live in a world of compromise and agreement. But to insinuate that he is some how "WORSE THAN BUSH" is utter non-sense. Drone strikes may be offensive but would you prefer Bush style full on invasions? Do you sincerely think that 200,000+ civilian dead and an utterly devastated infrastructure is preferable to a blown up building and 23 dead? Or is it that you prefer that we squander a few trillion dollars on illegal imperialistic wars rather than a few hundred millionon un-manned drones? aren't you of the mindset that we have to go get the bad guys?
From a cost/benefit analysis Obama has (in 3+ years) gotten far more done with less cost than that dumb ass puppet Spurious George did in 8 years of disastrous foriegn policy.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Dec 3, 2012 - 12:15pm PT
This is DrF's post on the Repug Wrong thread.
I copied and pasted it because it is applicable and pertinent.


Truth once again proves Republicans Wrong about Everything,
This is for JE
Wall Street Journal


Obama spending binge never happened: Government outlays rising at slowest pace since 1950s

May 22, 2012|Rex Nutting, MarketWatch

http://articles.marketwatch.com/2012-05-22/commentary/31802270_1_spending-federal-budget-drunken-sailor/2

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Of all the falsehoods told about President Barack Obama, the biggest whopper is the one about his reckless spending spree.

As would-be president Mitt Romney tells it: “I will lead us out of this debt and spending inferno.”

Almost everyone believes that Obama has presided over a massive increase in federal spending, an “inferno” of spending that threatens our jobs, our businesses and our children’s future. Even Democrats seem to think it’s true.

But it didn’t happen. Although there was a big stimulus bill under Obama, federal spending is rising at the slowest pace since Dwight Eisenhower brought the Korean War to an end in the 1950s.

Even hapless Herbert Hoover managed to increase spending more than Obama has.

Here are the facts, according to the official government statistics:

• In the 2009 fiscal year — the last of George W. Bush’s presidency — federal spending rose by 17.9% from $2.98 trillion to $3.52 trillion. Check the official numbers at the Office of Management and Budget.

• In fiscal 2010 — the first budget under Obama — spending fell 1.8% to $3.46 trillion.

• In fiscal 2011, spending rose 4.3% to $3.60 trillion.

• In fiscal 2012, spending is set to rise 0.7% to $3.63 trillion, according to the Congressional Budget Office’s estimate of the budget that was agreed to last August.

• Finally in fiscal 2013 — the final budget of Obama’s term — spending is scheduled to fall 1.3% to $3.58 trillion. Read the CBO’s latest budget outlook.

Over Obama’s four budget years, federal spending is on track to rise from $3.52 trillion to $3.58 trillion, an annualized increase of just 0.4%.

There has been no huge increase in spending under the current president, despite what you hear.

Why do people think Obama has spent like a drunken sailor? It’s in part because of a fundamental misunderstanding of the federal budget.

What people forget (or never knew) is that the first year of every presidential term starts with a budget approved by the previous administration and Congress. The president only begins to shape the budget in his second year. It takes time to develop a budget and steer it through Congress — especially in these days of congressional gridlock.

The 2009 fiscal year, which Republicans count as part of Obama’s legacy, began four months before Obama moved into the White House. The major spending decisions in the 2009 fiscal year were made by George W. Bush and the previous Congress.

Like a relief pitcher who comes into the game with the bases loaded, Obama came in with a budget in place that called for spending to increase by hundreds of billions of dollars in response to the worst economic and financial calamity in generations.

By no means did Obama try to reverse that spending. Indeed, his budget proposals called for even more spending in subsequent years. But the Congress (mostly Republicans but many Democrats, too) stopped him. If Obama had been a king who could impose his will, perhaps what the Republicans are saying about an Obama spending binge would be accurate.

Yet the actual record doesn’t show a reckless increase in spending. Far from it.

Before Obama had even lifted a finger, the CBO was already projecting that the federal deficit would rise to $1.2 trillion in fiscal 2009. The government actually spent less money in 2009 than it was projected to, but the deficit expanded to $1.4 trillion because revenue from taxes fell much further than expected, due to the weak economy and the emergency tax cuts that were part of the stimulus bill.

The projected deficit for the 2010-13 period has grown from an expected $1.7 trillion in January 2009 to $4.4 trillion today. Lower-than-forecast revenue accounts for 73% of the $2.7 trillion increase in the expected deficit. That’s assuming that the Bush and Obama tax cuts are repealed completely.

When Obama took the oath of office, the $789 billion bank bailout had already been approved. Federal spending on unemployment benefits, food stamps and Medicare was already surging to meet the dire unemployment crisis that was well underway. See the CBO’s January 2009 budget outlook.

Obama is not responsible for that increase, though he is responsible (along with the Congress) for about $140 billion in extra spending in the 2009 fiscal year from the stimulus bill, from the expansion of the children’s health-care program and from other appropriations bills passed in the spring of 2009.

If we attribute that $140 billion in stimulus to Obama and not to Bush, we find that spending under Obama grew by about $200 billion over four years, amounting to a 1.4% annualized increase.

After adjusting for inflation, spending under Obama is falling at a 1.4% annual pace — the first decline in real spending since the early 1970s, when Richard Nixon was retreating from the quagmire in Vietnam.

In per capita terms, real spending will drop by nearly 5% from $11,450 per person in 2009 to $10,900 in 2013 (measured in 2009 dollars).

By the way, real government spending rose 12.3% a year in Hoover’s four years. Now there was a guy who knew how to attack a depression by spending government money!
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 3, 2012 - 12:43pm PT
Just popping in to note that, in response to the non-violent Palestinian move to get observer status in the United Nations, Israel has announced it is withholding 200 million dollars in Palestinian money due to them and is going forward with 3000 new illegal settler homes on Palestinian lands, including some that are in a critical area that could derail any chance of a two state solution. France and England called their Israeli envoys to complain about it and the head of the UN condemned it. Even the US called it a bad move

Hardly anything about on CNN though. This sort of thing happens and then if the Palestinians push back it's front page news

Peace

Karl
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Dec 3, 2012 - 12:47pm PT
I'm may not be as informed as Ron....But I don't think there's such a thing as "Pre-budgeting."
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2012 - 04:22pm PT
Phil said:
." We live in a world of compromise and agreement. But to insinuate that he is some how "WORSE THAN BUSH" is utter non-sense. Drone strikes may be offensive but would you prefer Bush style full on invasions? Do you sincerely think that 200,000+ civilian dead and an utterly devastated infrastructure is preferable to a blown up building and 23 dead? Or is it that you prefer that we squander a few trillion dollars on illegal imperialistic wars rather than a few hundred millionon un-manned drones? aren't you of the mindset that we have to go get the bad guys?"

I happen to agree with you that the numbers are radically different. Yet, the Iraq vote was nearly unanimously approved by the Congress, and although I disagreed with our entry into that war: it was legal. The world would have been better off had Kerry, whom I voted for, been elected. But it didn't happen. That was then and this is now.

This President has stepped over a line that violates the constitution and our laws by taking unarmed American citizens lives (which is called murder) with no due process or judicial review and oversight - pretty much because of thought crimes. He believes its the right thing to do and thinks he can continue to murder citizens when he feels like it. I disagree.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Dec 3, 2012 - 04:30pm PT
...another insider scoop on what the President thinks, feels and believes. Thanks for the psychic reading CM.
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