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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Nov 19, 2012 - 11:54am PT
Ken ill never be diminished by some politard thread on a forum.

Todays news: 110 rockets have been fired at Israel in the last couple of days from Hamas.



and TAXES will be GOING UP FOR 163 MILLION workers...!!!!!!!!!!


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/psst-taxes-2013-163-million-134829232.html
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
i WASNT ON THE INTERNET during bush years...
Nov 20, 2012 - 02:24pm PT
Top Five Worst Obamacare Taxes Coming in 2013

Of the twenty new or higher taxes in Obamacare, below are the five worst that will be foisted upon Americans for the first time on January 1, 2013:
The Obamacare Medical Device Tax – a $20 billion tax increase: Medical device manufacturers employ 409,000 people in 12,000 plants across the country. Obamacare imposes a new 2.3 percent excise tax on gross sales – even if the company does not earn a profit in a given year. In addition to killing small business jobs and impacting research and development budgets, this will increase the cost of your health care – making everything from pacemakers to prosthetics more expensive.
The Obamacare “Special Needs Kids Tax” – a $13 billion tax increase: The 30-35 million Americans who use a Flexible Spending Account (FSA) at work to pay for their family’s basic medical needs will face a new government cap of $2,500 (currently the accounts are unlimited under federal law, though employers are allowed to set a cap).
There is one group of FSA owners for whom this new cap will be particularly cruel and onerous: parents of special needs children. There are several million families with special needs children in the United States, and many of them use FSAs to pay for special needs education. Tuition rates at one leading school that teaches special needs children in Washington, D.C. (National Child Research Center) can easily exceed $14,000 per year. Under tax rules, FSA dollars can be used to pay for this type of special needs education. This Obamacare tax provision will limit the options available to these families.
The Obamacare Surtax on Investment Income – a $123 billion tax increase: This is a new, 3.8 percentage point surtax on investment income earned in households making at least $250,000 ($200,000 single). This would result in the following top tax rates on investment income:

Capital Gains
Dividends
Other*
2012
15%
15%
35%
2013+ (current law)
23.8%
43.4%
43.4%
The table above also incorporates the scheduled hike in the capital gains rate from 15 to 20 percent, and the scheduled hike in dividends rate from 15 to 39.6 percent.
The Obamacare “Haircut” for Medical Itemized Deductions – a $15.2 billion tax increase: Currently, those Americans facing high medical expenses are allowed a deduction to the extent that those expenses exceed 7.5 percent of adjusted gross income (AGI). This tax increase imposes a threshold of 10 percent of AGI. By limiting this deduction, Obamacare widens the net of taxable income for the sickest Americans. This tax provision will most harm near retirees and those with modest incomes but high medical bills.
The Obamacare Medicare Payroll Tax Hike -- an $86.8 billion tax increase: The Medicare payroll tax is currently 2.9 percent on all wages and self-employment profits. Under this tax hike, wages and profits exceeding $200,000 ($250,000 in the case of married couples) will face a 3.8 percent rate instead. This is a direct marginal income tax hike on small business owners, who are liable for self-employment tax in most cases. The table below compares current law vs. the Obamacare Medicare Payroll Tax Hike:

First $200,000
($250,000 Married)
Employer/Employee
All Remaining Wages
Employer/Employee
Current Law
1.45%/1.45%
2.9% self-employed
1.45%/1.45%
2.9% self-employed
Obamacare Tax Hike
1.45%/1.45%
2.9% self-employed
1.45%/2.35%
3.8% self-employed

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Posted by John Kartch on Friday, September 28, 2012 2:58 PM EDT


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rectorsquid

climber
Lake Tahoe
Nov 20, 2012 - 02:27pm PT
How exactly can the government pay for all of the stuff that people want without raising their taxes? By borrowing of course.

What's worse, tax-and-spend liberals or borrow-and-spend conservatives?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
i WASNT ON THE INTERNET during bush years...
Nov 20, 2012 - 02:31pm PT
Well Obama has hinted at a 163 billion dollar tax hike- that wont be coming from the "rich" as he said that wont be enough..If something appears to be too good to be true~~~. I dont know how much of that will go to the pre-budgeted attack on Iran though.
Ron Anderson

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i WASNT ON THE INTERNET during bush years...
Nov 20, 2012 - 02:45pm PT
And since JUST after the election,, Obama has decided to re-engage with the UN and the Treaty that was turned down PRE election, things like AGENDA 21 below are now on the table. "ONE WORLD" sort of proposals, as if we have any extra money to take care of every third world nation right!????????


We have been hearing the rumors for quite some time, and they are showing their ugly heads to be true.

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1.1. Humanity stands at a defining moment in history. We are confronted with a perpetuation of disparities between and within nations, a worsening of poverty, hunger, ill health and illiteracy, and the continuing deterioration of the ecosystems on which we depend for our well-being. However, integration of environment and development concerns and greater attention to them will lead to the fulfilment of basic needs, improved living standards for all, better protected and managed ecosystems and a safer, more prosperous future. No nation can achieve this on its own; but together we can - in a global partnership for sustainable development.

1.2. This global partnership must build on the premises of General Assembly resolution 44/228 of 22 December 1989, which was adopted when the nations of the world called for the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development, and on the acceptance of the need to take a balanced and integrated approach to environment and development questions.

1.3. Agenda 21 addresses the pressing problems of today and also aims at preparing the world for the challenges of the next century. It reflects a global consensus and political commitment at the highest level on development and environment cooperation. Its successful implementation is first and foremost the responsibility of Governments. National strategies, plans, policies and processes are crucial in achieving this. International cooperation should support and supplement such national efforts. In this context, the United Nations system has a key role to play. Other international, regional and subregional organizations are also called upon to contribute to this effort. The broadest public participation and the active involvement of the non-governmental organizations and other groups should also be encouraged.

1.4. The developmental and environmental objectives of Agenda 21 will require a substantial flow of new and additional financial resources to developing countries, in order to cover the incremental costs for the actions they have to undertake to deal with global environmental problems and to accelerate sustainable development. Financial resources are also required for strengthening the capacity of international institutions for the implementation of Agenda 21. An indicative order-of-magnitude assessment of costs is included in each of the programme areas. This assessment will need to be examined and refined by the relevant implementing agencies and organizations.

1.5. In the implementation of the relevant programme areas identified in Agenda 21, special attention should be given to the particular circumstances facing the economies in transition. It must also be recognized that these countries are facing unprecedented challenges in transforming their economies, in some cases in the midst of considerable social and political tension.

1.6. The programme areas that constitute Agenda 21 are described in terms of the basis for action, objectives, activities and means of implementation. Agenda 21 is a dynamic programme. It will be carried out by the various actors according to the different situations, capacities and priorities of countries and regions in full respect of all the principles contained in the Rio Declaration on Environment and Development. It could evolve over time in the light of changing needs and circumstances. This process marks the beginning of a new global partnership for sustainable development.

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Yes im sure treatys and "deals" with those sworn to hate and kill us are going to work out swell.. I wonder how washington proposes to pay for any of that? The more we here about one world,, one power etc,, the scarier this all becomes. All one has to do is look back, at each and every attempt to help those third world nations such as the ME. Each and every time they have turned around and used any advancements against us, from guns to bombs to people to computers. And Now this admin seeks to further our dealings in countries weve no business dealing with. Take the time to read the whole of agend 21- you will be shocked.


and ill mention again how this treaty was already canned BEFORE the election, and is NOW back on the table.. Weve been LIED too,, again..

And the very fabric of our Nation is now being "changed" to include absolute dependence upon foreign countries from what guns you may have to how many children you should have to who pays for what- where. Some sort of "world union" that will be as effective as the UN- the biggest joke to ever be as MANY know. This is all strikingly scary to think of- yet these proposals are HERE! And we are essentially in debt to a point of no return- HOW can this even be seriously considered by ANY representative of the USA is beyond me..



http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/un_agenda_21_coming_to_a_neigh.html
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 20, 2012 - 04:05pm PT
The average Republican has no idea how to work with others.


Once the poster child for the GOP, NJ governor Christie is now on the GOP sh#t list for working with Obama when his state became a disaster zone.


When will they learn that the world is made up of people, and many are not white men.

Ron, why do Republicans hate women??
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
i WASNT ON THE INTERNET during bush years...
Nov 20, 2012 - 04:13pm PT
uhhmmm kind of a blanket statement .. I know many republicans none of whom hate women..

Romneys platform failed many republicans in truth.. Just as Obamas actions have failed his platform thus far.

No one i know thinks its the govts business in what a woman does to or with her body. That is up to her and her own convictions.

But Kman,, did you look at the posts above? This isnt about dem/repub, but about all of US, just as the NDAA 2013 bill is about US.


No partisanship here what so ever. Both are /have been involved in the shredding of the constitution.


BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Nov 20, 2012 - 04:20pm PT
THANKS RON FOR SPREADING SOME TRUTH!!!!!
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 20, 2012 - 04:24pm PT
OK Ron, Why do you hate to help those in need?

Here's the bolded text from your post:

1.4. The developmental and environmental objectives of Agenda 21 will require a substantial flow of new and additional financial resources to developing countries, in order to cover the incremental costs for the actions they have to undertake to deal with global environmental problems and to accelerate sustainable development.



And if all the Republicans you know love women, they why are they still Republicans when the GOP hates women??
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 20, 2012 - 04:46pm PT
If you keep reading the mindless, inflammatory swill from the John Birch Society, Grover Norquist's blog, and the clueless crew at American 'Thinker' you are just going to remain an open sore pumped full of so many lies and distortions you'll end up rabidly machine-gun posting complete bullshit on a rock climbing blog. Oops, too late.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
i WASNT ON THE INTERNET during bush years...
Nov 20, 2012 - 05:03pm PT
H,, i notice you dont do a rebuttal of any of that, just me posting it. And of course deny it all as propaganda. Agenda 21 isnt propaganda, the UN treaty isnt propaganda and neither is the NDAA 2013. And the UN treaty was "supposedly" turned down BEFORE the election..



edit: and yur Welcome BB..;-)
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 20, 2012 - 05:19pm PT
Ron, that's because it's all mindless bullsh#t.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
i WASNT ON THE INTERNET during bush years...
Nov 20, 2012 - 05:29pm PT
No doubt there!^^^^^^^^

And H,, tell me whats mindless about the UN treaty, agenda 21 or the NDAA 2013. Or the new taxes coming or the increased cost of everything under obamacare?
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 20, 2012 - 06:00pm PT
Again, 95% of it is all mindless bullsh#t, and when you wrap 5% of legitimate concerns in an enormous clusterf*#k of raging bullshit you just end up like DT and your valid points don't end up getting due consideration.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 20, 2012 - 06:19pm PT
Ron, here's my take on U.N. Agenda 21: You couldn't fight for a more noble cause.

1.1. Humanity stands at a defining moment in history. We are confronted with a perpetuation of disparities between and within nations, a worsening of poverty, hunger, ill health and illiteracy, and the continuing deterioration of the ecosystems on which we depend for our well-being. However, integration of environment and development concerns and greater attention to them will lead to the fulfilment of basic needs, improved living standards for all, better protected and managed ecosystems and a safer, more prosperous future. No nation can achieve this on its own; but together we can - in a global partnership for sustainable development.

I understand you don't want to help others by actually paying for a better world ecosystem. However, consider that the GOP started two unfunded wars, and we're paying BILLION$, in not trillion$, on those wars.

Chew on that.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Nov 20, 2012 - 06:29pm PT
However, consider that the GOP started two unfunded wars, and we're paying BILLION$, in not trillion$, on those wars.

DEMS got us into an undeclared "Conflict" based on Big Oil etc that is to this day the biggest emotional scar in our history. 58,220 gave there lives for what?

So STFU with the war shet.


The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Nov 20, 2012 - 06:35pm PT
Neither Iraq nor Afghanistan or both combined will come close to the agony and despair that the DEMOCRATIC DECLARED VIETNAM WAR has inflicted on well over 1 Million VIETNAM VETS!


LBJ BOMBS North Vietnam (Op Rolling Thunder) in Feb and then sent in the first U.S. COMBAT ACTION US (MARINES) TROOPS in 1965
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Nov 20, 2012 - 06:44pm PT
Sorry... NOT!

HARRY S. TRUMAN (DEMOCRAT) pledged money ($15M) and Military Intelligence support to Aid French in INDOCHINA in the Spring of 1950

Go away... you do not know the history of US involvement in the SE ASIA conflict HEDGE.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 20, 2012 - 06:52pm PT
But you guys do keep it up - the harder you dig in the more likely it is the Whiteyhouse and Senate will remain in democratic hands and we'll slowly chip away at the House over the next 12 years. In fact, all disaffected, white males suffering from feelings of persecution and a victim-complex should harden their radical right positions so the tide in the house turns that much faster.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Nov 20, 2012 - 06:53pm PT
The "COMPANY" was sent in by TRUMAN in '51. The first American's actually "in country" assisting in French combat ops were initiated by HARRY S. TRUMAN a DEMOCRAT!
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