Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Would you defend someone who throws rocks down the cliff???
Edit: James I was supporting your post!
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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What if Tom saw a base jumper go off el cap ? Has he? Was he pissed then? Just wondering.
Illegal, dangerous to innocent people on the ground and something that in general gives climbers a bad name.
What a BS comparison and ignorant argument.
BASE doesn't give climbers any kind of a name.
BASE jumpers fly and land.
Haul bags fall and crash.
BASE jumpers really are using their brains
Bag Huckers are not using their brains.
Legalities aside BASE is hardly if ever dangerous to those in the area who are not jumping.
Hucked Haul Bags are always dangerous to everyone in the area except the Huckers.
If you had been one of the six of us at the base of ElCap in 1977 diving desperately for cover to save our lives you would not be so cavalier about this.
Kudos for exposing this. And for the record if I had a bridge, they would not be welcome.
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James Doty
Trad climber
Phoenix, Az.
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I hope that isn't directed at me, Big Mike. No defending here, reread my post.
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canyoncat
Social climber
SoCal
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Tom, don't stop reporting on Pete, just change when you choose to report. As soon as it looks like he's going to top out, report that there will be free gear in xx hours available for the enterprising dirtbag climber. Maybe put a note up in Camp 4 about the free gear too. You're just helping him have a little less gear to haul next time. I love altruism.
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Dingus Milktoast
Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
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I love Tom's reports, but maybe he should let climbers be climbers?
Correct me if I'm wrong but Tom is an El Cap alumni. I think that opts him in as a critic. Bottom line.
DMT
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Go cordon off the area with Crime Scene Tape and encourage post carnage booty retrieval.
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Malemute
Ice climber
the ghost
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I love Tom's reports, but maybe he should let climbers be Åssholes? fixed it for ya
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Farouk
Boulder climber
Sylvan Grove
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Shrapnel???????????????????????? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pure fantasy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Base jumper shrapnel is meat juice and is whay worse than anything coming out of a haul bag!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Farouk, have you ever been around or witnessed either?
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Farouk
Boulder climber
Sylvan Grove
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Gear shrapnel is a myth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can run like a pussy from a tuna can but biologicals can actually kill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A climber would know this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The Chief
climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
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Here's a plan... Let's keep track of when Pete is going to do a wall and then head to the base when he is near the top. Wait for the missile to crater and then take it away. Free gear! After losing a few thousand dollars maybe then he will change tactics.
I can't believe that it has taken the Local Ditch People this long to figure this out.
Might just have to rethink my choice to permanently abstain from the Valley next season when PTPP TURD gets on the Stone. Then do exactly what Plastic describes above....
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTY at it's best baby!
Would not surprise me a bit if PTPP Turd still shets in a paperbag every morning and then chucks it. Expecting some other shmuck to clean it up as well.
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jstan
climber
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It is hard to believe the NPS can tolerate reckless endangerment of this sort. Once charges have been brought in court, at the least, Pete should not again have Yosemite as a stage upon which to play out his entirely personal drama.
Mind you, forcing the NPS to take any action at all bodes ill for climbers, and deservedly so.
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locker
Gym climber
DUH!!!...
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"Base jumper shrapnel is meat juice and is whay worse than anything coming out of a haul bag!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"...
Just WONDERING if that "Meat Juice" originated at a GOITER???...
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Hucking bags is similar to drunk driving, except the offender does not risk themselves, only others. With the increased activity on El Cap, that risk, however small, has certainly increased as well. Activities such as this also harm our collective voice when negotiating with land managers.
Ken
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Farouk, are you calling me a liar or a non climber?
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PeteC
climber
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Huck your bags on Baffin Island if you want but not in the Valley. Examine the risk/benefit ratio.
Benefit: You don't have to carry your bags down.
Risk: You kill someone at the base.
Don't take much brainpower to figure that one out.
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Radish
Trad climber
SeKi, California
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Is this the Friday night tossing while drunk thread??
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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I'm sure Pete will chime in here eventually, but it seems he doesn't have a leg to stand on in this argument.
What he did was wrong and reckless, plain and simple.
Shame on you. You drag climbing in the minds of outsiders down to the lowest common denominator. In this case, your lowest common denominator is lazy and stupid.
Not much of an ambassador for climbing.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Spanky
Social climber
boulder co
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First of all I want to state that I agree with Tom 100%. There no viable reason that someone should toss bags other than outright laziness and arrogance. I F@ckin hate the walk down but I do it because its part of the price of admission to climb the captain. I hauled all that crap up there and its my responsibility to get it down without endangering anyone else. If you don't want to carry big loads down the options are to pay some monkey to help you or take multiple trips. When my buddy and I topped out on mescalito this June we had to double carry to the top of the raps. It sucked but that's what has to happen to get the kit down. The cliffs don't belong to any one person and its arrogant to think that you don't have to follow the same rules as everyone else. In addition Pete portrays himself as a resident expert on the walls, offering tips for people carrying loads, discussing ethics, and giving out beta. If he is going to present himself as some sort of ambassador to the climbing community he has to expect that his actions will be scrutinized and that he will be held accountable. In addition some climbers probably look to him as an expert and may try to emulate his techniques as they pursue their own big wall goals. If we as a climbing community don't call him out on what almost everyone sees as a dangerous and unethical practice we are giving our silent approval and saying its okay. So I applaud Tom for calling him out. Additionly in Tom's second post he even says that he emailed Pete after the June season and said that if he tossed again that he would call him out so it's not like Pete didn't know that people were pissed and that they would be watching his actions.
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