Tom Evans pissed...and rightly so.


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Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:24pm PT
Farouk, have you ever been around or witnessed either?

Oct 3, 2012 - 12:29pm PT
It is hard to believe the NPS can tolerate reckless endangerment of this sort. Once charges have been brought in court, at the least, Pete should not again have Yosemite as a stage upon which to play out his entirely personal drama.

Mind you, forcing the NPS to take any action at all bodes ill for climbers, and deservedly so.
Chicken Skinner

Trad climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:29pm PT
Hucking bags is similar to drunk driving, except the offender does not risk themselves, only others. With the increased activity on El Cap, that risk, however small, has certainly increased as well. Activities such as this also harm our collective voice when negotiating with land managers.


Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:29pm PT
Farouk, are you calling me a liar or a non climber?

Oct 3, 2012 - 12:32pm PT
Huck your bags on Baffin Island if you want but not in the Valley. Examine the risk/benefit ratio.

Benefit: You don't have to carry your bags down.
Risk: You kill someone at the base.

Don't take much brainpower to figure that one out.

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:39pm PT
Is this the Friday night tossing while drunk thread??

The Granite State.
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:45pm PT
I'm sure Pete will chime in here eventually, but it seems he doesn't have a leg to stand on in this argument.

What he did was wrong and reckless, plain and simple.

Shame on you. You drag climbing in the minds of outsiders down to the lowest common denominator. In this case, your lowest common denominator is lazy and stupid.

Not much of an ambassador for climbing.

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Oct 3, 2012 - 01:05pm PT
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Social climber
boulder co
Oct 3, 2012 - 01:08pm PT
First of all I want to state that I agree with Tom 100%. There no viable reason that someone should toss bags other than outright laziness and arrogance. I F@ckin hate the walk down but I do it because its part of the price of admission to climb the captain. I hauled all that crap up there and its my responsibility to get it down without endangering anyone else. If you don't want to carry big loads down the options are to pay some monkey to help you or take multiple trips. When my buddy and I topped out on mescalito this June we had to double carry to the top of the raps. It sucked but that's what has to happen to get the kit down. The cliffs don't belong to any one person and its arrogant to think that you don't have to follow the same rules as everyone else. In addition Pete portrays himself as a resident expert on the walls, offering tips for people carrying loads, discussing ethics, and giving out beta. If he is going to present himself as some sort of ambassador to the climbing community he has to expect that his actions will be scrutinized and that he will be held accountable. In addition some climbers probably look to him as an expert and may try to emulate his techniques as they pursue their own big wall goals. If we as a climbing community don't call him out on what almost everyone sees as a dangerous and unethical practice we are giving our silent approval and saying its okay. So I applaud Tom for calling him out. Additionly in Tom's second post he even says that he emailed Pete after the June season and said that if he tossed again that he would call him out so it's not like Pete didn't know that people were pissed and that they would be watching his actions.
bigwall shitter

Social climber
Bozeman, MT
Oct 3, 2012 - 01:17pm PT
pete f*#ked up, why not simmer down with all the hate so he can attempt to explain his actions. Yeah, sounds like he and jon decided they were justified in blowing off the huge safety concerns in throwing a massive load off the captain, but we all f*#k up. No one was hurt (luckily). Give them a scolding and make sure it doesn't happen again (sounds like that has happened already). Still, Pete seems like a nice and reasonable guy from his posting on here. Don't be so quick to sh#t on him, or at least tone down the level of sh#t.


Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Oct 3, 2012 - 01:26pm PT
I don't hate Pete. I like the guy personally. This isn't the end of the world and luckily no one has been hurt... yet.

But it needs to stop now.

He is planning on going back up in a few days. Hope someone snags his gear if he does this again

It has to stop Pete. This is rediculous man.
Kurt Jensen

Trad climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 01:31pm PT
Back in the early 90's, I was a young college student on big wall success attempt #2, on Leaning Tower. Attempt #1 ended when rockfall hit me in the neck on Dinner Ledge on Washington Column.
Amazingly, I survived, where others have been killed. The rock glanced off at an angle, I was in my sleeping bag, in the dark, hit by the first rock. I bit into my tongue, injured my shoulder, and couldn't stop the bleeding on the neck fully. Rocks continued to rain down for maybe 15 minutes, while the four of us on the ledge cowered close to the wall. It was extremely scary, and I duck-taped a sock to my neck and held pressure, while my partner rode the haulbag down ahead of me. We rappelled in the dark and stumbled into the Awahnee front desk, startling the night shift clerk. The clinic was called, I was stiched up and went home. We knew there were climbers above us on the column, close to the top, as we had been approached in C4 by a woman concerned that her friends should have been off already. They likely dislodged rocks hauling up the last pitch in the dark.
I won't ever sleep on Dinner Ledge again, especially with parties above!

Fast forward two years. Every time a rock falls or a bird zooms by, I cringe, but climbing is in my blood, and I've got to go do a wall. New partner and I are on Leaning Tower, and success will be ours! I'm fiddling in a ballnut in a little corner, tricky placement, and I suddenly hear this huge ripping noise. I look up, and it's a huge white haul bag, headed towards me!!! Good thing it's Leaning Tower, as it flys away from the wall and hits the talus below. I'm shaken up. We scream and curse. No one answers. We finish the wall, and go back to school. I call my earlier partner from W. Column to chat, and tell him about my climb. He get's quiet, then says "did anything strange happen up there?" Umm, ya, flying haulbag! ...Long pause, "I'm sooo sorry, that was me" He was with an unexperienced partner, attempting a wall again, unknowingly right ahead of us. His partner struggled, they ran out of water, partner's tongue swelled, they were desperate, and ditched the bag close to the top to get up and get water. They heard our screams, thought they might have injured or killed someone. They watched us from the trees at the base, and photographed us. I have that photo now, and he and I climbed 3rd Piller of Dana a few summers ago. His struggling partner? I met him at my 20th high school reunion last summer, married to one of my classmates. We all hope to climb something together.

It's a small climbing community sometimes, even though there's more of us now than ever!
There's NO justification for dropping a haulbag these days-too much risk. It's selfish and careless, and could even end up injuring or killing a friend of yours. PTPP please follow Mark Hudon's example and pay up for help if you're too lazy to carry your own beast back down. I'm fully in support of Tom on this one!
the Fet

Oct 3, 2012 - 01:51pm PT
I wrote him at the end of the season and told him that he has been very lucky in the past but that next season (this season now) I was going to call him out on it...

It is a serious thing and I for one donít want it on my conscience that I sat idly by and did nothing to prevent what could be a real life changer for the tosserís and those tossed upon.

Tom you did things exactly the right way IMO. Let him know in private you won't stand by and let it happen. And when it did happen call him out, let everyone know and let everyone pressure him to correct his ways. If the rangers find out about it here that is much less of an problem than someone getting killed or hurt. If I was doing something so irresponsible which could lead to getting someone killed and lead me to a life of guilt and regret I'd want a friend to call me out on it and do whatever it takes to stop me. Bravo Tom.

Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
Oct 3, 2012 - 01:53pm PT
Aside from maybe killing someone, doing stupid sh#t in full view of non-climbing visitors and the NPS will result in "management" of climbing. We currently have freedoms in Yosemite that are unheard of in other parks and stuff like this is a direct threat to being more or less unrestricted in how we go about climbing there.

People that make throwing bags seem like some sort of on the down low cool-local-monkeys are sending thing are morons. I bet the parkies knew about the bags before this thread was posted--probably from a tourist reporting falling bodies--so I wouldn't worry about them learning about it here.

Ice climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 02:00pm PT
I want to just say that having climbed with Jon Fox for 20 years with numerous walls and El cap summits being part of those walls never and I mean never in that 20 year span has he ever tossed a bag off a cliff with me.

It has never been part of any conversation ever. Thats all I know and until Fox or Pete posts up and tells their side Im just going to move along and be greatful no one was hurt.

They should be made to work facelift for the next two years every day and no all you can drink beer mugs for them.

Forrest B.

Trad climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 02:00pm PT
I like the idea of a Thread that notifies the public of this repeat offender, or others actions.

This action will certainly lead to an injury sooner or later.

Thus, I agree with Jolly Roger, that we should keep a seperate thread, notifying the Taco of Petes next act, of kindness.

Somewhere out there
Oct 3, 2012 - 02:07pm PT
Not that I'm advocating public shunning of any one person or partyÖ..


Oct 3, 2012 - 02:08pm PT
I remember throwing my hauls bags off back in the day.

Only hit a couple of people back then.

Back then guys were tough as 4x4 wooden posts.

They only suffered a slight headache and stiff neck for a few hours and some common aspirin cured that.

These days they will be dead from the same fate.

Meh ......

Ice climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 02:13pm PT
So basically its been monkey see monkey do eh Werner?

Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
Oct 3, 2012 - 02:15pm PT
This is Canada declaring war
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