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Radish
Trad climber
SeKi, California
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Is this the Friday night tossing while drunk thread??
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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I'm sure Pete will chime in here eventually, but it seems he doesn't have a leg to stand on in this argument.
What he did was wrong and reckless, plain and simple.
Shame on you. You drag climbing in the minds of outsiders down to the lowest common denominator. In this case, your lowest common denominator is lazy and stupid.
Not much of an ambassador for climbing.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Problem solved. Now accepting pre-orders
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Spanky
Social climber
boulder co
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First of all I want to state that I agree with Tom 100%. There no viable reason that someone should toss bags other than outright laziness and arrogance. I F@ckin hate the walk down but I do it because its part of the price of admission to climb the captain. I hauled all that crap up there and its my responsibility to get it down without endangering anyone else. If you don't want to carry big loads down the options are to pay some monkey to help you or take multiple trips. When my buddy and I topped out on mescalito this June we had to double carry to the top of the raps. It sucked but that's what has to happen to get the kit down. The cliffs don't belong to any one person and its arrogant to think that you don't have to follow the same rules as everyone else. In addition Pete portrays himself as a resident expert on the walls, offering tips for people carrying loads, discussing ethics, and giving out beta. If he is going to present himself as some sort of ambassador to the climbing community he has to expect that his actions will be scrutinized and that he will be held accountable. In addition some climbers probably look to him as an expert and may try to emulate his techniques as they pursue their own big wall goals. If we as a climbing community don't call him out on what almost everyone sees as a dangerous and unethical practice we are giving our silent approval and saying its okay. So I applaud Tom for calling him out. Additionly in Tom's second post he even says that he emailed Pete after the June season and said that if he tossed again that he would call him out so it's not like Pete didn't know that people were pissed and that they would be watching his actions.
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bigwall shitter
Social climber
Bozeman, MT
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pete f*#ked up, why not simmer down with all the hate so he can attempt to explain his actions. Yeah, sounds like he and jon decided they were justified in blowing off the huge safety concerns in throwing a massive load off the captain, but we all f*#k up. No one was hurt (luckily). Give them a scolding and make sure it doesn't happen again (sounds like that has happened already). Still, Pete seems like a nice and reasonable guy from his posting on here. Don't be so quick to sh#t on him, or at least tone down the level of sh#t.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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I don't hate Pete. I like the guy personally. This isn't the end of the world and luckily no one has been hurt... yet.
But it needs to stop now.
He is planning on going back up in a few days. Hope someone snags his gear if he does this again
It has to stop Pete. This is rediculous man.
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Kurt Jensen
Trad climber
Aptos,CA
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Back in the early 90's, I was a young college student on big wall success attempt #2, on Leaning Tower. Attempt #1 ended when rockfall hit me in the neck on Dinner Ledge on Washington Column.
Amazingly, I survived, where others have been killed. The rock glanced off at an angle, I was in my sleeping bag, in the dark, hit by the first rock. I bit into my tongue, injured my shoulder, and couldn't stop the bleeding on the neck fully. Rocks continued to rain down for maybe 15 minutes, while the four of us on the ledge cowered close to the wall. It was extremely scary, and I duck-taped a sock to my neck and held pressure, while my partner rode the haulbag down ahead of me. We rappelled in the dark and stumbled into the Awahnee front desk, startling the night shift clerk. The clinic was called, I was stiched up and went home. We knew there were climbers above us on the column, close to the top, as we had been approached in C4 by a woman concerned that her friends should have been off already. They likely dislodged rocks hauling up the last pitch in the dark.
I won't ever sleep on Dinner Ledge again, especially with parties above!
Fast forward two years. Every time a rock falls or a bird zooms by, I cringe, but climbing is in my blood, and I've got to go do a wall. New partner and I are on Leaning Tower, and success will be ours! I'm fiddling in a ballnut in a little corner, tricky placement, and I suddenly hear this huge ripping noise. I look up, and it's a huge white haul bag, headed towards me!!! Good thing it's Leaning Tower, as it flys away from the wall and hits the talus below. I'm shaken up. We scream and curse. No one answers. We finish the wall, and go back to school. I call my earlier partner from W. Column to chat, and tell him about my climb. He get's quiet, then says "did anything strange happen up there?" Umm, ya, flying haulbag! ...Long pause, "I'm sooo sorry, that was me" He was with an unexperienced partner, attempting a wall again, unknowingly right ahead of us. His partner struggled, they ran out of water, partner's tongue swelled, they were desperate, and ditched the bag close to the top to get up and get water. They heard our screams, thought they might have injured or killed someone. They watched us from the trees at the base, and photographed us. I have that photo now, and he and I climbed 3rd Piller of Dana a few summers ago. His struggling partner? I met him at my 20th high school reunion last summer, married to one of my classmates. We all hope to climb something together.
It's a small climbing community sometimes, even though there's more of us now than ever!
There's NO justification for dropping a haulbag these days-too much risk. It's selfish and careless, and could even end up injuring or killing a friend of yours. PTPP please follow Mark Hudon's example and pay up for help if you're too lazy to carry your own beast back down. I'm fully in support of Tom on this one!
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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I wrote him at the end of the season and told him that he has been very lucky in the past but that next season (this season now) I was going to call him out on it...
It is a serious thing and I for one don’t want it on my conscience that I sat idly by and did nothing to prevent what could be a real life changer for the tosser’s and those tossed upon.
Tom you did things exactly the right way IMO. Let him know in private you won't stand by and let it happen. And when it did happen call him out, let everyone know and let everyone pressure him to correct his ways. If the rangers find out about it here that is much less of an problem than someone getting killed or hurt. If I was doing something so irresponsible which could lead to getting someone killed and lead me to a life of guilt and regret I'd want a friend to call me out on it and do whatever it takes to stop me. Bravo Tom.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Aside from maybe killing someone, doing stupid sh#t in full view of non-climbing visitors and the NPS will result in "management" of climbing. We currently have freedoms in Yosemite that are unheard of in other parks and stuff like this is a direct threat to being more or less unrestricted in how we go about climbing there.
People that make throwing bags seem like some sort of on the down low cool-local-monkeys are sending thing are morons. I bet the parkies knew about the bags before this thread was posted--probably from a tourist reporting falling bodies--so I wouldn't worry about them learning about it here.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Not that I'm advocating public shunning of any one person or party…..
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WBraun
climber
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I remember throwing my hauls bags off back in the day.
Only hit a couple of people back then.
Back then guys were tough as 4x4 wooden posts.
They only suffered a slight headache and stiff neck for a few hours and some common aspirin cured that.
These days they will be dead from the same fate.
Meh ......
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GhoulweJ
Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
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This is Canada declaring war
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WBraun
climber
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Back then men were men and women were women.
Now a days men come from monkeys and want to be women and women want to be men .....
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Now a days men come from monkeys and want to be women and women want to be men .....
 What Werner is saying is… He liked it better back in the day when he was a she and monkeys liked her… When all he needed after getting clubbed in the head was an aspirin.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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I learned how to do wheelies in a chair after being hit by a rock knocked off the top of the wall I was on, so reckless tossing is hardly something I approve of.
But this thread has the malodorous flavor of a lynching. Let he who is without sin tie the rope.
I'm outta here.
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GhoulweJ
Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
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Ok so canada has attacked our talus field what next?
They say they're sorry and make an ice sculpture of Tom that they all ice skate around while holding hands.
Silly Canadiens, they can't fight.
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Capt.
climber
some eastside hovel
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Back when men were men and sheep were scared. :-)
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bigwall shitter
Social climber
Bozeman, MT
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Back when men were men and sheep were scared. :-)
Back when? you ain't never been to Montana!
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Tez
Mountain climber
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About 20 years ago, I went on a fishing trip with my dad and uncle to a remote lake in Canada. The lake was about a quarter mile wide and 30 miles long. I assume it was glacier carved. We were the only ones on the lake. The law was you could only keep 2 fish per person each day. The lake was filled with fish and we did a lot of catch and release (only keeping a fish if we hurt it). To some, it would seem silly to have a limit on fishing when there was such an abundance of fish.
As my uncle put it: "If you don't like their laws, stay out of the country. This is their country and they make the laws."
My uncle was right.
If Pete does not like our rule of not hucking his haul bag, he should not come here.
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Capt.
climber
some eastside hovel
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bigwall shitter...I was born in Bozeman.Moved to Bishop 14 years ago.Whole family still lives there.
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