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canyoncat

Social climber
SoCal
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:10pm PT
Tom, don't stop reporting on Pete, just change when you choose to report. As soon as it looks like he's going to top out, report that there will be free gear in xx hours available for the enterprising dirtbag climber. Maybe put a note up in Camp 4 about the free gear too. You're just helping him have a little less gear to haul next time. I love altruism.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:11pm PT
I love Tom's reports, but maybe he should let climbers be climbers?

Correct me if I'm wrong but Tom is an El Cap alumni. I think that opts him in as a critic. Bottom line.

DMT
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:13pm PT
Go cordon off the area with Crime Scene Tape and encourage post carnage booty retrieval.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:14pm PT
I love Tom's reports, but maybe he should let climbers be Åssholes?
fixed it for ya
Farouk

Boulder climber
Sylvan Grove
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:19pm PT
Shrapnel???????????????????????? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pure fantasy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Base jumper shrapnel is meat juice and is whay worse than anything coming out of a haul bag!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:24pm PT
Farouk, have you ever been around or witnessed either?
Farouk

Boulder climber
Sylvan Grove
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:28pm PT
Gear shrapnel is a myth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can run like a pussy from a tuna can but biologicals can actually kill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A climber would know this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:28pm PT
Here's a plan... Let's keep track of when Pete is going to do a wall and then head to the base when he is near the top. Wait for the missile to crater and then take it away. Free gear! After losing a few thousand dollars maybe then he will change tactics.

I can't believe that it has taken the Local Ditch People this long to figure this out.

Might just have to rethink my choice to permanently abstain from the Valley next season when PTPP TURD gets on the Stone. Then do exactly what Plastic describes above....

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTY at it's best baby!



Would not surprise me a bit if PTPP Turd still shets in a paperbag every morning and then chucks it. Expecting some other shmuck to clean it up as well.
jstan

climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:29pm PT
It is hard to believe the NPS can tolerate reckless endangerment of this sort. Once charges have been brought in court, at the least, Pete should not again have Yosemite as a stage upon which to play out his entirely personal drama.

Mind you, forcing the NPS to take any action at all bodes ill for climbers, and deservedly so.
locker

Gym climber
DUH!!!...
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:29pm PT


"Base jumper shrapnel is meat juice and is whay worse than anything coming out of a haul bag!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"...



Just WONDERING if that "Meat Juice" originated at a GOITER???...
Chicken Skinner

Trad climber
Yosemite
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:29pm PT
Hucking bags is similar to drunk driving, except the offender does not risk themselves, only others. With the increased activity on El Cap, that risk, however small, has certainly increased as well. Activities such as this also harm our collective voice when negotiating with land managers.

Ken
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:29pm PT
Farouk, are you calling me a liar or a non climber?
PeteC

climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:32pm PT
Huck your bags on Baffin Island if you want but not in the Valley. Examine the risk/benefit ratio.

Benefit: You don't have to carry your bags down.
Risk: You kill someone at the base.

Don't take much brainpower to figure that one out.
Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:39pm PT
Is this the Friday night tossing while drunk thread??
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:45pm PT
I'm sure Pete will chime in here eventually, but it seems he doesn't have a leg to stand on in this argument.

What he did was wrong and reckless, plain and simple.

Shame on you. You drag climbing in the minds of outsiders down to the lowest common denominator. In this case, your lowest common denominator is lazy and stupid.

Not much of an ambassador for climbing.
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Oct 3, 2012 - 01:05pm PT
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Spanky

Social climber
boulder co
Oct 3, 2012 - 01:08pm PT
First of all I want to state that I agree with Tom 100%. There no viable reason that someone should toss bags other than outright laziness and arrogance. I F@ckin hate the walk down but I do it because its part of the price of admission to climb the captain. I hauled all that crap up there and its my responsibility to get it down without endangering anyone else. If you don't want to carry big loads down the options are to pay some monkey to help you or take multiple trips. When my buddy and I topped out on mescalito this June we had to double carry to the top of the raps. It sucked but that's what has to happen to get the kit down. The cliffs don't belong to any one person and its arrogant to think that you don't have to follow the same rules as everyone else. In addition Pete portrays himself as a resident expert on the walls, offering tips for people carrying loads, discussing ethics, and giving out beta. If he is going to present himself as some sort of ambassador to the climbing community he has to expect that his actions will be scrutinized and that he will be held accountable. In addition some climbers probably look to him as an expert and may try to emulate his techniques as they pursue their own big wall goals. If we as a climbing community don't call him out on what almost everyone sees as a dangerous and unethical practice we are giving our silent approval and saying its okay. So I applaud Tom for calling him out. Additionly in Tom's second post he even says that he emailed Pete after the June season and said that if he tossed again that he would call him out so it's not like Pete didn't know that people were pissed and that they would be watching his actions.
bigwall shitter

Social climber
Bozeman, MT
Oct 3, 2012 - 01:17pm PT
pete f*#ked up, why not simmer down with all the hate so he can attempt to explain his actions. Yeah, sounds like he and jon decided they were justified in blowing off the huge safety concerns in throwing a massive load off the captain, but we all f*#k up. No one was hurt (luckily). Give them a scolding and make sure it doesn't happen again (sounds like that has happened already). Still, Pete seems like a nice and reasonable guy from his posting on here. Don't be so quick to sh#t on him, or at least tone down the level of sh#t.


climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Oct 3, 2012 - 01:26pm PT
I don't hate Pete. I like the guy personally. This isn't the end of the world and luckily no one has been hurt... yet.

But it needs to stop now.

He is planning on going back up in a few days. Hope someone snags his gear if he does this again

It has to stop Pete. This is rediculous man.
Kurt Jensen

Trad climber
Aptos,CA
Oct 3, 2012 - 01:31pm PT
Back in the early 90's, I was a young college student on big wall success attempt #2, on Leaning Tower. Attempt #1 ended when rockfall hit me in the neck on Dinner Ledge on Washington Column.
Amazingly, I survived, where others have been killed. The rock glanced off at an angle, I was in my sleeping bag, in the dark, hit by the first rock. I bit into my tongue, injured my shoulder, and couldn't stop the bleeding on the neck fully. Rocks continued to rain down for maybe 15 minutes, while the four of us on the ledge cowered close to the wall. It was extremely scary, and I duck-taped a sock to my neck and held pressure, while my partner rode the haulbag down ahead of me. We rappelled in the dark and stumbled into the Awahnee front desk, startling the night shift clerk. The clinic was called, I was stiched up and went home. We knew there were climbers above us on the column, close to the top, as we had been approached in C4 by a woman concerned that her friends should have been off already. They likely dislodged rocks hauling up the last pitch in the dark.
I won't ever sleep on Dinner Ledge again, especially with parties above!

Fast forward two years. Every time a rock falls or a bird zooms by, I cringe, but climbing is in my blood, and I've got to go do a wall. New partner and I are on Leaning Tower, and success will be ours! I'm fiddling in a ballnut in a little corner, tricky placement, and I suddenly hear this huge ripping noise. I look up, and it's a huge white haul bag, headed towards me!!! Good thing it's Leaning Tower, as it flys away from the wall and hits the talus below. I'm shaken up. We scream and curse. No one answers. We finish the wall, and go back to school. I call my earlier partner from W. Column to chat, and tell him about my climb. He get's quiet, then says "did anything strange happen up there?" Umm, ya, flying haulbag! ...Long pause, "I'm sooo sorry, that was me" He was with an unexperienced partner, attempting a wall again, unknowingly right ahead of us. His partner struggled, they ran out of water, partner's tongue swelled, they were desperate, and ditched the bag close to the top to get up and get water. They heard our screams, thought they might have injured or killed someone. They watched us from the trees at the base, and photographed us. I have that photo now, and he and I climbed 3rd Piller of Dana a few summers ago. His struggling partner? I met him at my 20th high school reunion last summer, married to one of my classmates. We all hope to climb something together.

It's a small climbing community sometimes, even though there's more of us now than ever!
There's NO justification for dropping a haulbag these days-too much risk. It's selfish and careless, and could even end up injuring or killing a friend of yours. PTPP please follow Mark Hudon's example and pay up for help if you're too lazy to carry your own beast back down. I'm fully in support of Tom on this one!
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