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FrankZappa

Trad climber
Hankster's crew
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:12am PT
^^^^Not if done correctly.

Kind of interesting how BITD things like this were just mentioned at the delhi or at the campground, but with cell phones and the internet a person's actions at the top of El Cap at 1AM are now sprayed all over for everyone -- including the TOOL -- to read.

I love Tom's reports, but maybe he should let climbers be climbers? Part of photojournalism is not interfering with events one is photographing. And not photographing Pete is not photographing the whole story. It would be showing Tom's own biased view of what is happening on El Cap. (One I would still look forward to frequently seeing...)

That said, SHAME ON YOU, PASS-THE-CHEATER-STICK PETE. NO LAP DANCE FOR YOU.

JLP

Social climber
The internet
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:16am PT
I like the idea of not hearing about Pete anymore, regardless of his activities.

GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:16am PT
I love Tom's reports, but maybe he should let climbers be climbers?



Wilderness, adventure, loneliness. Come here to come to grips with your mortality.





You get the bad with the good. YOSAR is a phone call away and any Tom, Dick and Harry is allowed to watch you. El Cap is LITERALLY the stage of American Big Wall Climbing. Don't check in with Tom, ask him not to film you (he will gladly oblige), and even better - do a route that you can't pick out individual climbers out from a road if you want that true wilderness experience.

Or climb it off season, winter ascents are rare but possible on some of the more protected routes - I've never done an El Cap route (LOL PINE LINE) but that seems like a cool option to have a great adventure.
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:20am PT
Here's a plan... Let's keep track of when Pete is going to do a wall and then head to the base when he is near the top. Wait for the missile to crater and then take it away. Free gear! After losing a few thousand dollars maybe then he will change tactics.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:22am PT
There are lots of stupid things climbers do on el-cap or just in general that for the most part the community has a consensus against.

I'll try to make a list of things from lowest level of stupid to highest.

1 Yappy dogs and not picking up their crap at the crag.
2 Litter
3 Adding bolts w/o FA or concensus
4 Chopping bolts
5 Pounding pins on a consensus clean line
6 dropping sh1tbags off el-cap
7 stealing gear
8 chiseling el-cap

Now all of these just affect the climbers around or after you negatively or are simply disrespectful. They cause no real harm to other people yet someone who does these things tends to lose at least a bit of respect.

Some might say "who cares" and have a point. Except the stealing

But then there are things that border on the true criminal due to the real harm they do or could do to others

Dropping bags off el-cap in my mind is worse than anything on the above list. Simply because it's very possible to kill someone. It's no different than throwing rocks off any popular route.

I see no good argument for dropping your bags no matter how "careful" you think you are trying to be.



survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:28am PT
As far as I am concerned, you are not welcome here at the Bridge.

Tom's got great pix and I love his reports and all, but I draw the line at owning the bridge.....

As much as Pete climbs El Cap, surely he can afford to pay some starving young Camp 4 spine to carry his gear.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:30am PT
i can only imagine the rumor mill about camp 4 about now. Im sure its JUST like it was in 77.
Gene

climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:39am PT
Survival,

Methinks Tom is not claiming ownership of the Bridge.

As far as I am concerned, you are not welcome here at the Bridge. I have no authority here, so that is all I can do...

Tom will not welcome bag huckers at the Bridge. That's all.

g
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:40am PT
No Howdy for Huckers!
elcap-pics

Big Wall climber
Crestline CA
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:42am PT
Isn’t it fun to blame the messenger for bad news. Yep, and all those people hiking up the gullies at night, hauling loads to avoid the heat of the day … they deserve to be killed by a falling bag… of course, they do. Sorry but I am not going to sit idly by while these tosser’s play Russian Roulette … the twist is that instead of putting the gun to their own heads and pulling the trigger, they put it to someone else’s head and pull the trigger… and the kicker is that those people don’t even know they are playing!
Sorry if I offended some of your independent spirits but this isn’t Baffin Island where you are sure no one is below at any time.

How do I know that Pete and Jon tossed those bags? Climbers at the base of the Nose saw them walking by in the afternoon, coming down the east side base trail carrying haul bags with those crunched water bottles tied on to them. They were caught in the act of fetching their bags from the impact area. But maybe they hiked the bags down the east ledges, put them in Jon’s truck, carried them up to the base and them carried them down… to get more exercise??!

Pete has not responded to any efforts to change his behavior. I wrote him at the end of the season and told him that he has been very lucky in the past but that next season (this season now) I was going to call him out on it. So, he had a few months to figure out a new way to bring stuff down without tossing. He will not respond… because there is no logical reason to take such a risk and thus it is indefensible. Other, responsible people, hire starving monkey’s to carry their stuff down or make other arrangements.

It is a serious thing and I for one don’t want it on my conscience that I sat idly by and did nothing to prevent what could be a real life changer for the tosser’s and those tossed upon. Those of you who think it is no big deal should talk to Molly, Pete Absolon’s widow and her daughter, who has no father to grow up with, because some fool threw a rock off a cliff to watch it fall… and fall it did and killed Pete.
Barbarian

Trad climber
New and Bionic too!
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:51am PT
Just put him on the government's "No US Entry" list. That way he can spend his vacations taking 40 days to aid up Squamish and toss his bags there.
Stupid move Pete.
roadman

climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:51am PT
What if Tom saw a base jumper go off el cap ? Has he? Was he pissed then? Just wondering.

Illegal, dangerous to innocent people on the ground and something that in general gives climbers a bad name.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:53am PT
. . . If and when one of those bags does hit someone or blasts them nearby at 120 mph with, as Philo says, shrapnel, it will be incredibly incredibly tragic, senseless and at the same time horrific. It likely will even cause criminal charges and certainly civil action against those who were that dumb---likely in the millions of dollars too. I have to assume too that the NPS will have to get involved and some kind of new policy or curtailment will take place and our tenuous relationship with the NPS will turn to crap again.

worth repeating
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:59am PT
Just put him on the government's "No US Entry" list. That way he can spend his vacations taking 40 days to aid up Squamish and toss his bags there.
Stupid move Pete.

You should do that. Pete will find out that hard way what happens to tossers around here!!!!
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:59am PT
You're a good man, Tom.
BASE1361

climber
Yosemite Valley National Park
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:59am PT
Roadman,

it was a matter of time before someone would attempt to compare apples to oranges. BASE jumping off El Cap while illegal is a controlled descent. Quite different from tossing a bag off El Cap. Now I'm sure in your ignorance you will bring up an event in Oct. 1999 which you know nothing about and the COD. Again that has nothing to do with tossing bags off El Cap. Nor is even relevant to this discussion

The Canadian ASSassin has long been tossing his sh#t for 10+ years. He would brag about it constantly and even at one point temped me with beer to wait at the base for his "air delivery package" I told him to go f*#k himself. (in a polite way of course)

Bring up a valid comparison to defend the Canadian ASSassin and his lack of ethics and class. This is just another example of his character... or lack thereof
Gene

climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:01pm PT
What sort of legal charges do you think would be filed if someone below was actually killed?

Involuntary manslaughter????

California Penal Code 192(b) PC defines "involuntary manslaughter" as an unlawful killing that takes place

1.during the commission of an unlawful act (not amounting to a felony), or

2.during the commission of a lawful act which involves a high risk of death or great bodily harm that is committed without due caution or circumspection.

I honestly don't know.
James Doty

Trad climber
Phoenix, Az.
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:05pm PT
I can't believe anyone is defending the guy or the practice. Tosser is such an appropriate term.
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:06pm PT
Would you defend someone who throws rocks down the cliff???

Edit: James I was supporting your post!
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:08pm PT
What if Tom saw a base jumper go off el cap ? Has he? Was he pissed then? Just wondering.

Illegal, dangerous to innocent people on the ground and something that in general gives climbers a bad name.

What a BS comparison and ignorant argument.

BASE doesn't give climbers any kind of a name.

BASE jumpers fly and land.
Haul bags fall and crash.

BASE jumpers really are using their brains
Bag Huckers are not using their brains.

Legalities aside BASE is hardly if ever dangerous to those in the area who are not jumping.
Hucked Haul Bags are always dangerous to everyone in the area except the Huckers.


If you had been one of the six of us at the base of ElCap in 1977 diving desperately for cover to save our lives you would not be so cavalier about this.

Kudos for exposing this. And for the record if I had a bridge, they would not be welcome.
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