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North

climber
Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 2, 2012 - 10:51pm PT
Check out El Cap Reports for the latest and greatest on comings and goings on El Cap. Not too mention some fairly decent photos (just kidding Tom. You da Man!). At any rate, seems Pete and partner hucked their bags off ZM and now they get to feel the wrath of Tom. Not too mention the rest of the climbing community. Bad form Petey.
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Oct 2, 2012 - 10:59pm PT
Boys will be boys . . . Round 2? on EC bag hucking. Apparently we didn't solve this the last time it happened now did we!?
Levy

Big Wall climber
So Cal
Oct 2, 2012 - 11:03pm PT
Park rangers should give Pete & partner a big fat ticket for the haul bag throwing. It could get somebody killed & is recognized by most as dangerous & plain wrong.
Johnny K.

climber
Oct 2, 2012 - 11:08pm PT
What the heck is Pete thinking?He isnt thinking.

Poor Alice,glad she didnt get hurt.
Captain...or Skully

climber
Oct 2, 2012 - 11:19pm PT
Sounds like somebodys panties are in a bunch.
Get over it.
The Alpine

climber
Oct 2, 2012 - 11:21pm PT
No sh1t. Wah wah, Im telling on you! What has the center of the universe come to.

Is Tom a danger to the monkey nation now? Keep that shizz off the internet ya fools.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Oct 2, 2012 - 11:24pm PT
Did the bags go down WOS? Now THAT would be a 1000+ post thread.
MisterE

Social climber
Oct 2, 2012 - 11:31pm PT
If you have no friends helping you to get your gear down, who's fault is that?

The question that is begged here
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Oct 2, 2012 - 11:33pm PT
Did they yell "rock"?
Captain...or Skully

climber
Oct 2, 2012 - 11:37pm PT
If yer rollin' around at 1 AM, then you're evil & should be prepared to die.
No one bivies at the drop site. No one that wants to live, anyway.
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Oct 2, 2012 - 11:40pm PT
Aw Pete... And banned from the EC Report too.

make good my friend. It can be done.
Captain...or Skully

climber
Oct 2, 2012 - 11:48pm PT
Maybe we need 1 more sign(!?) Yeah, I'm no fan of signs, usually.....although,
The approach for El Cap COULD have a sign that says"If you pass this sign, then You're Gonna Die(fer sure)!!!!!".
Or some such.
WBraun

climber
Oct 2, 2012 - 11:51pm PT
YOSAR should give Pete & partner a big fat ticket for the haul bag throwing.

YOSAR????

YOSAR is not law enforcement.

YOSAR is only the search and rescue branch of LEO protection division.

Only LEO can give ticket .........

Tom is pissed?

The Alpine

climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:25am PT
Thank you Werner.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:35am PT
I really thought he wasn't going to do it this time. I like Pete but..

hairyapeman

Trad climber
Fres-yes
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:36am PT
Oh wow......
hairyapeman

Trad climber
Fres-yes
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:38am PT
PTPP this one's for you
PTPP this one's for you
Credit: hairyapeman
MisterE

Social climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:42am PT
Holy edits, Batman!
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:44am PT
You'd think that with all that gear Pete hauls, he would have room for ~2000' of 1/2" webbing. Then he could just lower each bag off the top of Zodiac and have one person on the ground to detach them. Maybe even lower Pete or his partner off first!
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:46am PT
Werner, I am still laughing, ten minutes later. That is PERFECT.
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:50am PT
Hey Pete stop giving us Canucks a bad name you wanker!!!!!!
briham89

Big Wall climber
los gatos. ca
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:52am PT
Hahahahaha perfect pic Werner. And the one below isn't half bad either
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:52am PT
As far as I am concerned, you are not welcome here at the Bridge.

Although I do not think throwing gear from El Cap is in any way appropriate, the quote from above made me laugh my ass off.
Michelle

Trad climber
she'll make.5 past light speed
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:55am PT
Uhm, why does Tom being pissed relate to bag tossing and Werners band of merry YOSAR (haha) folks?

And while I dig his shots, why do I care that he's pissed at a Canadian?

Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:58am PT
Hey Pete stop giving us Canucks a bad name you wanker!!!!!!

I deal with the American version of this several times times daily, to the point of absurdity.

What a special planet we live on.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:58am PT
Canadians are very touchy about being ignored.
Michelle

Trad climber
she'll make.5 past light speed
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:59am PT
Oh, ok. Thanks.
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
Oct 3, 2012 - 01:15am PT
Canadian Assassin, is right.



Seriously, some of us read Don Reid's admonishment in the 1987 Yosemite climbing guide "Do not throw your haul bag off a wall" as gospel. Consequently we don't expect to die at the base of a wall from some jack wagon tossing their massive sh#t show off the wall.

Fluoride

Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
Oct 3, 2012 - 01:31am PT
Does he always throw his junk show off the top? Or is this just the first time someone saw it happen?
ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
bouldering
Oct 3, 2012 - 01:39am PT
He's judging the subjects of his own photos which he makes a living off of. How annoying to have somebody sitting down there with a fat telephoto, invading your privacy and critiquing you while you are in the heat of battle.
jstan

climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 01:40am PT
Abandoned property.



Booty.
tornado

climber
lawrence kansas
Oct 3, 2012 - 01:42am PT
Where DOES he piss when he's hanging out on that bridge and drinking all day?
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Oct 3, 2012 - 02:04am PT
Does he always throw his junk show off the top?


NO PETE NO NOT THE JUNK !!!!!
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Oct 3, 2012 - 02:06am PT
When we recovered the bag, we were amazed to find it full of weed ...
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Oct 3, 2012 - 02:10am PT
What's next? The Canadians throwing baby seals off the top?
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Oct 3, 2012 - 02:19am PT
Credit: The Larry

Credit: The Larry

I gotta gun!
I gotta gun!
Credit: The Larry

Arrrgg Matey
Arrrgg Matey
Credit: The Larry
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Oct 3, 2012 - 02:22am PT
Yup, it would appear that Pete is a royal wanker.
orangesporanges

climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 02:28am PT
Hucking pigs is none halal

You are not welcome in Jannah
Fluoride

Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
Oct 3, 2012 - 02:31am PT
Touche Tami. As soon as I wrote that I realized that could have been interpreted this way.
mcreel

climber
Barcelona
Oct 3, 2012 - 02:34am PT
Throwing a bag off may have been the normal thing quite a while ago, but now it's like taking a crap next to a tree in Central Park: socially unacceptable.
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Oct 3, 2012 - 02:39am PT
This argument/discussion/debate will continue ad nauseam until someone DOES experience Newton's 2nd and a homicide case is opened.

It will happen.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Oct 3, 2012 - 02:52am PT
Sitting there all Cobra-fattened,
Ya stay away ya won't git flattened.

But on the upriver side

Pete and Partner might have done wrong,
Judge'em after they've sung their song.

I'm sayin.



Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Oct 3, 2012 - 03:46am PT



"Hey you guys - please try to imagine this for a minute. Imagine if *I* were to have left a thousand-pound pile of crap at the base of El Cap what the fallout would have been."








Is he gonna pay someone to pick up the stuff??????????????????



:)
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Oct 3, 2012 - 04:17am PT
hey there say, all.... me, i don't know much about any of this... so the only i might say or add is this:

stuff falling, from high-up-rocks, is scary... :O

scarier still, not knowing where or how stuff will land, be it rocks, haul bags, or falling climbers, :(


i'm just listening and learning, from you all you all...
so this is just a non-climber cringe... :(

so hope i did not say anything too out of line...
:(
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Oct 3, 2012 - 04:38am PT
Hey Neebs, This is required reading to understand this thread.... http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1867309&msg=1943309#msg1943309
steveA

Trad climber
bedford,massachusetts
Oct 3, 2012 - 08:00am PT
I was guilty of this type of thing, when I chucked my haul bag off the East Face of Washington C., after soloing the Prow back in 1970.
I sure wasn't going to haul all that crap down that infamous gully, and this was one hour after a real heavy thunderstorm came ripping thru the Valley.

In fact, I probably didn't even think about how I was going to carry that stuff down,(mostly iron back in those days).
I doubt anyone was lurking below, after that heavy rain came thru.

No, I wouldn't do it today, and besides, I don't do aid anymore either, unless you count hanging on a piece once in a while.
MisterE

Social climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 08:29am PT
Hey Neebs, This is required reading to understand this thread

...and this:

http://www.elcapreport.com/content/elcap-report-100212

At the bottom of the page:

On a more serious note… it seems that Piton Pete can not be convinced to give up tossing huge bags off the top of ZM, instead of carrying them down. His, and Jon Fox’s latest shipment came down at 1am last night. Alice, of Zodiac, texted that she didn’t know what hit the ground, at high velocity, as she awoke at the base, but hoped it wasn’t a base jumper.
Shame on you Pete Zabrok and Jon Fox… you are not infallible …hopefully someone else will not have to pay for your arrogance. The climbing community had a big discussion about this last season and although you emailed me, about the situation Pete, you didn’t respond to any of the discussions. Therefore, I will not report on any of your future climbs on El Capitan, nor will I photograph you, or any partner you are climbing with. As far as I am concerned, you are not welcome here at the Bridge. I have no authority here, so that is all I can do…. I think the rest of the community here agrees with my actions. What you people are doing is no joke.

So that’s the way it is, for this Tuesday, the 2nd day of October, 2012.
Later Tom
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Oct 3, 2012 - 09:15am PT
Are Pete and Jon now obligated to swim the Merced ?

First they're caught tossing each other's junk, then publicly blackballed.

This sounds like the insidious effects of Proposition 8, brought on by distant relatives...

The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Oct 3, 2012 - 09:20am PT
As soon as that pig decked, it became BOOTY.


I say next time he lauches his shet, ya'll get together, gather it up, put it on EBAY and donate the proceeds to Ken and the YCA fund. Then PTPP can become a sponsor of the YCA.


End of story.
mdavid

Big Wall climber
High Springs, FL
Oct 3, 2012 - 09:35am PT
Someday, someone will get killed by this nonsense. Douche move Petey, you tosser!
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Oct 3, 2012 - 09:47am PT
Let the 1000 posts Donini suggests fly. It should be limited to 1 post per person. I just used mine up. Outtahere.
ElCapPirate

Big Wall climber
Reno, Nevada
Oct 3, 2012 - 10:09am PT
I've nearly gotten hit twice by falling bags and it was a very scary experience both times. I've always considered the route unfinished until I've carried all my gear to the parking lot.

Hopefully nobody gets hurt or killed by laziness in the future.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Oct 3, 2012 - 10:22am PT
In the 70s having just finished Sacherer Cracker and milling around the base a dropped or pitched haul bag trailing two floppy butt bags cratered and exploded in the midst of us. Pins were blown through the sides and stuck in trees, tuna can shrapnel was everywhere. It was a mess and it was very nearly fatal!
I understand it was more of a "norm" then but it was as wrong then as it is now.
Studly

Trad climber
WA
Oct 3, 2012 - 10:38am PT
What is he supposed to do with all the empties? Recycle? Thats not very Canadian Pete.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxFrXuly_B0
Farouk

Boulder climber
Sylvan Grove
Oct 3, 2012 - 10:46am PT
Booty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Booty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Credit: Farouk
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Oct 3, 2012 - 10:54am PT
Space Pig...Space Pig...Space Pig!

Write him up and whack his Pee-Pee, your Honor.

Lazy and feckless puke!
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Oct 3, 2012 - 10:58am PT


Jeremy

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:01am PT
photo not found
Missing photo ID#207628
Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:06am PT
It is really startling that Zabrok and Fox would chuck their stuff, especially over such a popular spot on El Cap for people to be bivying or making earlier starts. Have they lost their minds? If and when one of those bags does hit someone or blasts them nearby at 120 mph with, as Philo says, shrapnel, it will be incredibly incredibly tragic, senseless and at the same time horrific. It likely will even cause criminal charges and certainly civil action against those who were that dumb---likely in the millions of dollars too. I have to assume too that the NPS will have to get involved and some kind of new policy or curtailment will take place and our tenuous relationship with the NPS will turn to crap again.

Tom Evans' reaction to Pete Zabrok and Jon Fox's dumb ass move is fully understandable and I support him. Tom is not being frumpy and authoritarian. Tom better than anyone sees the whole picture: all the people trudging around the base of the huge walls, the zillion climbers topping out, the horde of parties bivying everywhere part way up and consequently understands the terrific peril throwing stuff off routes presents. It is quite an intense situation these days and not at all what it was back in the seventies when bag chucking was being tested out on an empty El Capitan. It just cannot be done today, pure and simple. If you have to hike back up for a second or third load, that is simply your lot in life and hardly impossible to cope with. One would think that after braving a big wall one could keep it together sufficiently not to be this selfish.
bigwall shitter

Social climber
Bozeman, MT
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:11am PT
I imagine any bag tossed off el cap would be completely blown apart by the time it impacted the ground. Those things are expensive!
FrankZappa

Trad climber
Hankster's crew
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:12am PT
^^^^Not if done correctly.

Kind of interesting how BITD things like this were just mentioned at the delhi or at the campground, but with cell phones and the internet a person's actions at the top of El Cap at 1AM are now sprayed all over for everyone -- including the TOOL -- to read.

I love Tom's reports, but maybe he should let climbers be climbers? Part of photojournalism is not interfering with events one is photographing. And not photographing Pete is not photographing the whole story. It would be showing Tom's own biased view of what is happening on El Cap. (One I would still look forward to frequently seeing...)

That said, SHAME ON YOU, PASS-THE-CHEATER-STICK PETE. NO LAP DANCE FOR YOU.

JLP

Social climber
The internet
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:16am PT
I like the idea of not hearing about Pete anymore, regardless of his activities.

GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:16am PT
I love Tom's reports, but maybe he should let climbers be climbers?



Wilderness, adventure, loneliness. Come here to come to grips with your mortality.





You get the bad with the good. YOSAR is a phone call away and any Tom, Dick and Harry is allowed to watch you. El Cap is LITERALLY the stage of American Big Wall Climbing. Don't check in with Tom, ask him not to film you (he will gladly oblige), and even better - do a route that you can't pick out individual climbers out from a road if you want that true wilderness experience.

Or climb it off season, winter ascents are rare but possible on some of the more protected routes - I've never done an El Cap route (LOL PINE LINE) but that seems like a cool option to have a great adventure.
PopLockeAndDropIt

Trad climber
Dirty South
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:17am PT
WAY HOMO. I agree with what Haan has said, and he said it quite well. It would be wise of you, Pete, to perhaps follow Mark Hudon's example and PAY UP FOR MONKEY WORK rather than RISKING THE LIVES OF CLIMBERS
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:20am PT
Here's a plan... Let's keep track of when Pete is going to do a wall and then head to the base when he is near the top. Wait for the missile to crater and then take it away. Free gear! After losing a few thousand dollars maybe then he will change tactics.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:22am PT
There are lots of stupid things climbers do on el-cap or just in general that for the most part the community has a consensus against.

I'll try to make a list of things from lowest level of stupid to highest.

1 Yappy dogs and not picking up their crap at the crag.
2 Litter
3 Adding bolts w/o FA or concensus
4 Chopping bolts
5 Pounding pins on a consensus clean line
6 dropping sh1tbags off el-cap
7 stealing gear
8 chiseling el-cap

Now all of these just affect the climbers around or after you negatively or are simply disrespectful. They cause no real harm to other people yet someone who does these things tends to lose at least a bit of respect.

Some might say "who cares" and have a point. Except the stealing

But then there are things that border on the true criminal due to the real harm they do or could do to others

Dropping bags off el-cap in my mind is worse than anything on the above list. Simply because it's very possible to kill someone. It's no different than throwing rocks off any popular route.

I see no good argument for dropping your bags no matter how "careful" you think you are trying to be.



survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:28am PT
As far as I am concerned, you are not welcome here at the Bridge.

Tom's got great pix and I love his reports and all, but I draw the line at owning the bridge.....

As much as Pete climbs El Cap, surely he can afford to pay some starving young Camp 4 spine to carry his gear.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:30am PT
i can only imagine the rumor mill about camp 4 about now. Im sure its JUST like it was in 77.
Gene

climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:39am PT
Survival,

Methinks Tom is not claiming ownership of the Bridge.

As far as I am concerned, you are not welcome here at the Bridge. I have no authority here, so that is all I can do...

Tom will not welcome bag huckers at the Bridge. That's all.

g
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:40am PT
No Howdy for Huckers!
elcap-pics

Big Wall climber
Crestline CA
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:42am PT
Isn’t it fun to blame the messenger for bad news. Yep, and all those people hiking up the gullies at night, hauling loads to avoid the heat of the day … they deserve to be killed by a falling bag… of course, they do. Sorry but I am not going to sit idly by while these tosser’s play Russian Roulette … the twist is that instead of putting the gun to their own heads and pulling the trigger, they put it to someone else’s head and pull the trigger… and the kicker is that those people don’t even know they are playing!
Sorry if I offended some of your independent spirits but this isn’t Baffin Island where you are sure no one is below at any time.

How do I know that Pete and Jon tossed those bags? Climbers at the base of the Nose saw them walking by in the afternoon, coming down the east side base trail carrying haul bags with those crunched water bottles tied on to them. They were caught in the act of fetching their bags from the impact area. But maybe they hiked the bags down the east ledges, put them in Jon’s truck, carried them up to the base and them carried them down… to get more exercise??!

Pete has not responded to any efforts to change his behavior. I wrote him at the end of the season and told him that he has been very lucky in the past but that next season (this season now) I was going to call him out on it. So, he had a few months to figure out a new way to bring stuff down without tossing. He will not respond… because there is no logical reason to take such a risk and thus it is indefensible. Other, responsible people, hire starving monkey’s to carry their stuff down or make other arrangements.

It is a serious thing and I for one don’t want it on my conscience that I sat idly by and did nothing to prevent what could be a real life changer for the tosser’s and those tossed upon. Those of you who think it is no big deal should talk to Molly, Pete Absolon’s widow and her daughter, who has no father to grow up with, because some fool threw a rock off a cliff to watch it fall… and fall it did and killed Pete.
Barbarian

Trad climber
New and Bionic too!
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:51am PT
Just put him on the government's "No US Entry" list. That way he can spend his vacations taking 40 days to aid up Squamish and toss his bags there.
Stupid move Pete.
roadman

climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:51am PT
What if Tom saw a base jumper go off el cap ? Has he? Was he pissed then? Just wondering.

Illegal, dangerous to innocent people on the ground and something that in general gives climbers a bad name.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:53am PT
. . . If and when one of those bags does hit someone or blasts them nearby at 120 mph with, as Philo says, shrapnel, it will be incredibly incredibly tragic, senseless and at the same time horrific. It likely will even cause criminal charges and certainly civil action against those who were that dumb---likely in the millions of dollars too. I have to assume too that the NPS will have to get involved and some kind of new policy or curtailment will take place and our tenuous relationship with the NPS will turn to crap again.

worth repeating
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:59am PT
Just put him on the government's "No US Entry" list. That way he can spend his vacations taking 40 days to aid up Squamish and toss his bags there.
Stupid move Pete.

You should do that. Pete will find out that hard way what happens to tossers around here!!!!
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:59am PT
You're a good man, Tom.
BASE1361

climber
Yosemite Valley National Park
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:59am PT
Roadman,

it was a matter of time before someone would attempt to compare apples to oranges. BASE jumping off El Cap while illegal is a controlled descent. Quite different from tossing a bag off El Cap. Now I'm sure in your ignorance you will bring up an event in Oct. 1999 which you know nothing about and the COD. Again that has nothing to do with tossing bags off El Cap. Nor is even relevant to this discussion

The Canadian ASSassin has long been tossing his sh#t for 10+ years. He would brag about it constantly and even at one point temped me with beer to wait at the base for his "air delivery package" I told him to go f*#k himself. (in a polite way of course)

Bring up a valid comparison to defend the Canadian ASSassin and his lack of ethics and class. This is just another example of his character... or lack thereof
Gene

climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:01pm PT
What sort of legal charges do you think would be filed if someone below was actually killed?

Involuntary manslaughter????

California Penal Code 192(b) PC defines "involuntary manslaughter" as an unlawful killing that takes place

1.during the commission of an unlawful act (not amounting to a felony), or

2.during the commission of a lawful act which involves a high risk of death or great bodily harm that is committed without due caution or circumspection.

I honestly don't know.
James Doty

Trad climber
Phoenix, Az.
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:05pm PT
I can't believe anyone is defending the guy or the practice. Tosser is such an appropriate term.
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:06pm PT
Would you defend someone who throws rocks down the cliff???

Edit: James I was supporting your post!
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:08pm PT
What if Tom saw a base jumper go off el cap ? Has he? Was he pissed then? Just wondering.

Illegal, dangerous to innocent people on the ground and something that in general gives climbers a bad name.

What a BS comparison and ignorant argument.

BASE doesn't give climbers any kind of a name.

BASE jumpers fly and land.
Haul bags fall and crash.

BASE jumpers really are using their brains
Bag Huckers are not using their brains.

Legalities aside BASE is hardly if ever dangerous to those in the area who are not jumping.
Hucked Haul Bags are always dangerous to everyone in the area except the Huckers.


If you had been one of the six of us at the base of ElCap in 1977 diving desperately for cover to save our lives you would not be so cavalier about this.

Kudos for exposing this. And for the record if I had a bridge, they would not be welcome.
James Doty

Trad climber
Phoenix, Az.
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:09pm PT
I hope that isn't directed at me, Big Mike. No defending here, reread my post.
canyoncat

Social climber
SoCal
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:10pm PT
Tom, don't stop reporting on Pete, just change when you choose to report. As soon as it looks like he's going to top out, report that there will be free gear in xx hours available for the enterprising dirtbag climber. Maybe put a note up in Camp 4 about the free gear too. You're just helping him have a little less gear to haul next time. I love altruism.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:11pm PT
I love Tom's reports, but maybe he should let climbers be climbers?

Correct me if I'm wrong but Tom is an El Cap alumni. I think that opts him in as a critic. Bottom line.

DMT
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:13pm PT
Go cordon off the area with Crime Scene Tape and encourage post carnage booty retrieval.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:14pm PT
I love Tom's reports, but maybe he should let climbers be Åssholes?
fixed it for ya
Farouk

Boulder climber
Sylvan Grove
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:19pm PT
Shrapnel???????????????????????? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pure fantasy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Base jumper shrapnel is meat juice and is whay worse than anything coming out of a haul bag!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:24pm PT
Farouk, have you ever been around or witnessed either?
Farouk

Boulder climber
Sylvan Grove
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:28pm PT
Gear shrapnel is a myth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can run like a pussy from a tuna can but biologicals can actually kill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A climber would know this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:28pm PT
Here's a plan... Let's keep track of when Pete is going to do a wall and then head to the base when he is near the top. Wait for the missile to crater and then take it away. Free gear! After losing a few thousand dollars maybe then he will change tactics.

I can't believe that it has taken the Local Ditch People this long to figure this out.

Might just have to rethink my choice to permanently abstain from the Valley next season when PTPP TURD gets on the Stone. Then do exactly what Plastic describes above....

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTY at it's best baby!



Would not surprise me a bit if PTPP Turd still shets in a paperbag every morning and then chucks it. Expecting some other shmuck to clean it up as well.
jstan

climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:29pm PT
It is hard to believe the NPS can tolerate reckless endangerment of this sort. Once charges have been brought in court, at the least, Pete should not again have Yosemite as a stage upon which to play out his entirely personal drama.

Mind you, forcing the NPS to take any action at all bodes ill for climbers, and deservedly so.
locker

Gym climber
DUH!!!...
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:29pm PT


"Base jumper shrapnel is meat juice and is whay worse than anything coming out of a haul bag!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"...



Just WONDERING if that "Meat Juice" originated at a GOITER???...
Chicken Skinner

Trad climber
Yosemite
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:29pm PT
Hucking bags is similar to drunk driving, except the offender does not risk themselves, only others. With the increased activity on El Cap, that risk, however small, has certainly increased as well. Activities such as this also harm our collective voice when negotiating with land managers.

Ken
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:29pm PT
Farouk, are you calling me a liar or a non climber?
PeteC

climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:32pm PT
Huck your bags on Baffin Island if you want but not in the Valley. Examine the risk/benefit ratio.

Benefit: You don't have to carry your bags down.
Risk: You kill someone at the base.

Don't take much brainpower to figure that one out.
Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:39pm PT
Is this the Friday night tossing while drunk thread??
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:45pm PT
I'm sure Pete will chime in here eventually, but it seems he doesn't have a leg to stand on in this argument.

What he did was wrong and reckless, plain and simple.

Shame on you. You drag climbing in the minds of outsiders down to the lowest common denominator. In this case, your lowest common denominator is lazy and stupid.

Not much of an ambassador for climbing.
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Oct 3, 2012 - 01:05pm PT
pig-a-chute
pig-a-chute
Credit: limpingcrab
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Spanky

Social climber
boulder co
Oct 3, 2012 - 01:08pm PT
First of all I want to state that I agree with Tom 100%. There no viable reason that someone should toss bags other than outright laziness and arrogance. I F@ckin hate the walk down but I do it because its part of the price of admission to climb the captain. I hauled all that crap up there and its my responsibility to get it down without endangering anyone else. If you don't want to carry big loads down the options are to pay some monkey to help you or take multiple trips. When my buddy and I topped out on mescalito this June we had to double carry to the top of the raps. It sucked but that's what has to happen to get the kit down. The cliffs don't belong to any one person and its arrogant to think that you don't have to follow the same rules as everyone else. In addition Pete portrays himself as a resident expert on the walls, offering tips for people carrying loads, discussing ethics, and giving out beta. If he is going to present himself as some sort of ambassador to the climbing community he has to expect that his actions will be scrutinized and that he will be held accountable. In addition some climbers probably look to him as an expert and may try to emulate his techniques as they pursue their own big wall goals. If we as a climbing community don't call him out on what almost everyone sees as a dangerous and unethical practice we are giving our silent approval and saying its okay. So I applaud Tom for calling him out. Additionly in Tom's second post he even says that he emailed Pete after the June season and said that if he tossed again that he would call him out so it's not like Pete didn't know that people were pissed and that they would be watching his actions.
PopLockeAndDropIt

Trad climber
Dirty South
Oct 3, 2012 - 01:13pm PT
posts being deleted left and right!
bigwall shitter

Social climber
Bozeman, MT
Oct 3, 2012 - 01:17pm PT
pete f*#ked up, why not simmer down with all the hate so he can attempt to explain his actions. Yeah, sounds like he and jon decided they were justified in blowing off the huge safety concerns in throwing a massive load off the captain, but we all f*#k up. No one was hurt (luckily). Give them a scolding and make sure it doesn't happen again (sounds like that has happened already). Still, Pete seems like a nice and reasonable guy from his posting on here. Don't be so quick to sh#t on him, or at least tone down the level of sh#t.


PopLockeAndDropIt

Trad climber
Dirty South
Oct 3, 2012 - 01:22pm PT
it ain't a f*#k up when you do it over, and over, and over, and are fully aware of the risks. That's just being negligent and stupid
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Oct 3, 2012 - 01:26pm PT
I don't hate Pete. I like the guy personally. This isn't the end of the world and luckily no one has been hurt... yet.

But it needs to stop now.

He is planning on going back up in a few days. Hope someone snags his gear if he does this again

It has to stop Pete. This is rediculous man.
Kurt Jensen

Trad climber
Aptos,CA
Oct 3, 2012 - 01:31pm PT
Back in the early 90's, I was a young college student on big wall success attempt #2, on Leaning Tower. Attempt #1 ended when rockfall hit me in the neck on Dinner Ledge on Washington Column.
Amazingly, I survived, where others have been killed. The rock glanced off at an angle, I was in my sleeping bag, in the dark, hit by the first rock. I bit into my tongue, injured my shoulder, and couldn't stop the bleeding on the neck fully. Rocks continued to rain down for maybe 15 minutes, while the four of us on the ledge cowered close to the wall. It was extremely scary, and I duck-taped a sock to my neck and held pressure, while my partner rode the haulbag down ahead of me. We rappelled in the dark and stumbled into the Awahnee front desk, startling the night shift clerk. The clinic was called, I was stiched up and went home. We knew there were climbers above us on the column, close to the top, as we had been approached in C4 by a woman concerned that her friends should have been off already. They likely dislodged rocks hauling up the last pitch in the dark.
I won't ever sleep on Dinner Ledge again, especially with parties above!

Fast forward two years. Every time a rock falls or a bird zooms by, I cringe, but climbing is in my blood, and I've got to go do a wall. New partner and I are on Leaning Tower, and success will be ours! I'm fiddling in a ballnut in a little corner, tricky placement, and I suddenly hear this huge ripping noise. I look up, and it's a huge white haul bag, headed towards me!!! Good thing it's Leaning Tower, as it flys away from the wall and hits the talus below. I'm shaken up. We scream and curse. No one answers. We finish the wall, and go back to school. I call my earlier partner from W. Column to chat, and tell him about my climb. He get's quiet, then says "did anything strange happen up there?" Umm, ya, flying haulbag! ...Long pause, "I'm sooo sorry, that was me" He was with an unexperienced partner, attempting a wall again, unknowingly right ahead of us. His partner struggled, they ran out of water, partner's tongue swelled, they were desperate, and ditched the bag close to the top to get up and get water. They heard our screams, thought they might have injured or killed someone. They watched us from the trees at the base, and photographed us. I have that photo now, and he and I climbed 3rd Piller of Dana a few summers ago. His struggling partner? I met him at my 20th high school reunion last summer, married to one of my classmates. We all hope to climb something together.

It's a small climbing community sometimes, even though there's more of us now than ever!
There's NO justification for dropping a haulbag these days-too much risk. It's selfish and careless, and could even end up injuring or killing a friend of yours. PTPP please follow Mark Hudon's example and pay up for help if you're too lazy to carry your own beast back down. I'm fully in support of Tom on this one!
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Oct 3, 2012 - 01:51pm PT
I wrote him at the end of the season and told him that he has been very lucky in the past but that next season (this season now) I was going to call him out on it...

It is a serious thing and I for one don’t want it on my conscience that I sat idly by and did nothing to prevent what could be a real life changer for the tosser’s and those tossed upon.

Tom you did things exactly the right way IMO. Let him know in private you won't stand by and let it happen. And when it did happen call him out, let everyone know and let everyone pressure him to correct his ways. If the rangers find out about it here that is much less of an problem than someone getting killed or hurt. If I was doing something so irresponsible which could lead to getting someone killed and lead me to a life of guilt and regret I'd want a friend to call me out on it and do whatever it takes to stop me. Bravo Tom.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
Oct 3, 2012 - 01:53pm PT
Aside from maybe killing someone, doing stupid sh#t in full view of non-climbing visitors and the NPS will result in "management" of climbing. We currently have freedoms in Yosemite that are unheard of in other parks and stuff like this is a direct threat to being more or less unrestricted in how we go about climbing there.

People that make throwing bags seem like some sort of on the down low cool-local-monkeys are sending thing are morons. I bet the parkies knew about the bags before this thread was posted--probably from a tourist reporting falling bodies--so I wouldn't worry about them learning about it here.
Silver

Ice climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 02:00pm PT
I want to just say that having climbed with Jon Fox for 20 years with numerous walls and El cap summits being part of those walls never and I mean never in that 20 year span has he ever tossed a bag off a cliff with me.

It has never been part of any conversation ever. Thats all I know and until Fox or Pete posts up and tells their side Im just going to move along and be greatful no one was hurt.

They should be made to work facelift for the next two years every day and no all you can drink beer mugs for them.

Forrest B.

Trad climber
Appalacia
Oct 3, 2012 - 02:00pm PT
I like the idea of a Thread that notifies the public of this repeat offender, or others actions.

This action will certainly lead to an injury sooner or later.

Thus, I agree with Jolly Roger, that we should keep a seperate thread, notifying the Taco of Petes next act, of kindness.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Oct 3, 2012 - 02:07pm PT
Not that I'm advocating public shunning of any one person or party…..

WBraun

climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 02:08pm PT
I remember throwing my hauls bags off back in the day.

Only hit a couple of people back then.

Back then guys were tough as 4x4 wooden posts.

They only suffered a slight headache and stiff neck for a few hours and some common aspirin cured that.

These days they will be dead from the same fate.

Meh ......
Silver

Ice climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 02:13pm PT
So basically its been monkey see monkey do eh Werner?
GhoulweJ

Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
Oct 3, 2012 - 02:15pm PT
This is Canada declaring war
WBraun

climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 02:15pm PT
Back then men were men and women were women.

Now a days men come from monkeys and want to be women and women want to be men .....
Silver

Ice climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 02:18pm PT
Weird Werner but in some strange way that makes sense.

Ok so canada has attacked our talus field what next?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Oct 3, 2012 - 02:19pm PT
so cornfused..
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Oct 3, 2012 - 02:29pm PT
Now a days men come from monkeys and want to be women and women want to be men .....

 What Werner is saying is… He liked it better back in the day when he was a she and monkeys liked her… When all he needed after getting clubbed in the head was an aspirin.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Oct 3, 2012 - 02:32pm PT
I learned how to do wheelies in a chair after being hit by a rock knocked off the top of the wall I was on, so reckless tossing is hardly something I approve of.


But this thread has the malodorous flavor of a lynching. Let he who is without sin tie the rope.

I'm outta here.
GhoulweJ

Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
Oct 3, 2012 - 02:32pm PT
Ok so canada has attacked our talus field what next?


They say they're sorry and make an ice sculpture of Tom that they all ice skate around while holding hands.

Silly Canadiens, they can't fight.
Capt.

climber
some eastside hovel
Oct 3, 2012 - 02:33pm PT
Back when men were men and sheep were scared. :-)
bigwall shitter

Social climber
Bozeman, MT
Oct 3, 2012 - 02:37pm PT
Back when men were men and sheep were scared. :-)

Back when? you ain't never been to Montana!
Tez

Mountain climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 02:39pm PT
About 20 years ago, I went on a fishing trip with my dad and uncle to a remote lake in Canada. The lake was about a quarter mile wide and 30 miles long. I assume it was glacier carved. We were the only ones on the lake. The law was you could only keep 2 fish per person each day. The lake was filled with fish and we did a lot of catch and release (only keeping a fish if we hurt it). To some, it would seem silly to have a limit on fishing when there was such an abundance of fish.

As my uncle put it: "If you don't like their laws, stay out of the country. This is their country and they make the laws."

My uncle was right.

If Pete does not like our rule of not hucking his haul bag, he should not come here.
Capt.

climber
some eastside hovel
Oct 3, 2012 - 02:48pm PT
bigwall shitter...I was born in Bozeman.Moved to Bishop 14 years ago.Whole family still lives there.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Oct 3, 2012 - 02:55pm PT
But this thread has the malodorous flavor of a lynching. Let he who is without sin tie the rope.

On Belay motherf*#ker!

;D


Times were different, no shame, Ron... not as many on the cap'n I'm sure, and we all make mistakes in life.
jfailing

Trad climber
Lone Pine
Oct 3, 2012 - 02:56pm PT
Wait, so the consensus is... anger about him dropping his bags? I think we still need a few hundred more posts to really know how people feel about it.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Oct 3, 2012 - 02:57pm PT
ptpp and lynch mobs have gone hand in glove for what, about a decade now?

ptpp seems to be KICKING LYNCH MOB ASS!!!111

You'll see, yall'll fade into the woodwork as lynch mobs always do... ptpp will endure.

Maddening, innit? LOL!
DMT
Silver

Ice climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 02:57pm PT
But this thread has the malodorous flavor of a lynching. Let he who is without sin tie the rope.

Im smelling the torches and hearing the pitch forks clanking.



EDIT

So Capt.

you know the difference between a Montana cowboy and a California Cowboy then? ;)
Farouk

Boulder climber
Sylvan Grove
Oct 3, 2012 - 03:01pm PT
RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's a tuna can lid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DanaB

climber
CT
Oct 3, 2012 - 03:12pm PT
**but we all f*#k up.**

Are you serious?
Even a small child could understand the danger.
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Oct 3, 2012 - 03:34pm PT
Werner, slack you dipstick.

Can I toss a bag on you from the top of el-cap?

If you live, you will be "a man with a stiff neck"

If you die, I'll tell everyone you wanted to be a woman.



MisterE

Social climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 03:47pm PT
What JStan said.

Reckless endangerment is a crime consisting of acts that create a substantial risk of serious physical injury to another person. The accused person isn't required to intend the resulting or potential harm, but must have acted in a way that showed a disregard for the foreseeable consequences of the actions.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Oct 3, 2012 - 03:50pm PT
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1935278&msg=1935278#msg1935278
Silver

Ice climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 04:00pm PT
granite you're right how soon we forget just a few days ago Pete was helping Travis live and now people want to hang him high for being a tosser.

I'm going to try and have beers with fox this week and he will tell me whats up.

What if they were attacked by a large number of naked women on top and accidentally dropped the bags?


Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Oct 3, 2012 - 04:04pm PT
For the record I'm not advocating lynching Pete, and I know they were down a partner but this kinda of thing just is not acceptable.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Oct 3, 2012 - 04:06pm PT
Fox is innocent.. It will be seen.
BASE1361

climber
Yosemite Valley National Park
Oct 3, 2012 - 04:18pm PT
Silver I respect you but one act that any good person would do when someone is in need of medial attention is quite different from endangering the lives of others. Again apples vs oranges
atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 04:27pm PT
What a couple of lazy douchebags. Thanks Tom, for all your reports.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Oct 3, 2012 - 04:28pm PT
Just put him on the government's "No US Entry" list. That way he can spend his vacations taking 40 days to aid up Squamish and toss his bags there.

When Pete does something like this, he's the American assassin - he has dual citizenship. So you can't keep him out.

And please don't be throwing your bags off Baffin Island. It makes a mess in a real wilderness, plus only a fool would be separated from her/his equipment in that environment.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Oct 3, 2012 - 04:32pm PT
As I said a few times in this thread.

I like Pete. But regardless even if he was my best friend... hell especially if he was my best friend I'd have to take him to task for this.

Does not mean I wont be glad to see him again sometime .. hell.. I'd be glad to climb with him.

Once he stops dropping bags for once and all

Which has to happen
Silver

Ice climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 05:31pm PT
Base your right one act does not make amens for this, but i think its necessary to remind some that Pete is a good person not just a tosser.

Ill end with this here and I hate doing it on the last post on a page but take my word on this.

I spoke to Pete he gets it now. It will never happen again. He loves the valley he loves the big rock he loves this community of climbers and he would never want to hurt anyone.

He is sorry he will stay away from the bridge, he will earn your trust through actions not words and I for one am willing to believe Pete.

Peace
Silver





Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Oct 3, 2012 - 05:43pm PT
Someone runs to call 911 when a guy who is essentially part of his climbing team at the time gets hurt...and you expect accolades for that? F*#kin'a man, that's bare minimum I'd expect, not some heroic achievement. Get your goggles on straight, you're not seeing this very clearly IMO.

Tossing bags, in prime season, when there WAS someone at the base...not
"could be", WAS someone right next to the drop zone...is he trying to even the karmic balance? Help save one, kill another to compensate?


jstan

climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 05:54pm PT
I spoke to Pete he gets it now. It will never happen again.

Is a third party report of such a declaration an adequate response when the lives of bystanders are at stake?
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Oct 3, 2012 - 05:55pm PT
Just for the record here.

My accident is a totally separate incident from this and I would really like it to stay that way. I owe Jon and Pete my life. End of story there. I do not want one action to be sullied or enhanced by the other.

However.

Even with that being the case, I do not in any way shape or form condone anyone tossing anything off a big wall. Or cliff. Or building. Even if you know it's clear, sh#t happens. Not only that, you're doing a hell of a lot of impact damage to gear that you depend on for your life. Not to mention 50 other reasons why it's a bad idea.

If the facts are what has been stated, then I am going to be super disappointed with the individuals involved.

But I wasn't there - and neither were most of the people posting here. Until I talk to Pete and Jon face to face, I am going to wait to start throwing stones at glass walls. And I will talk to them face to face about it.

And that's all I have to say.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Oct 3, 2012 - 05:59pm PT
He is sorry he will stay away from the bridge, he will earn your trust through actions not words and I for one am willing to believe Pete.


I'd like him to apologize for his own actions.

We can seperate people an events. Hitler was a great painter (lol Godwin's law) and I'm a terrible chef. Give actions the weight they deserve.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Oct 3, 2012 - 06:36pm PT
Yeah that would be a great defense in court. But ya see yer honor I had nookie waiting at camp.
malabarista

Trad climber
Portland, OR
Oct 3, 2012 - 06:42pm PT
The Hubers almost killed us with a hall bag they dropped accidentally back in 2003. Thomas did rap down and apologize profusely...no hard feelings.
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Oct 3, 2012 - 07:36pm PT
Back when men were men and sheep were scared. :-)

Back in Kazakhstan sheep are women. That's why they are scared ; )
Roadie

Trad climber
Bishop, Ca
Oct 3, 2012 - 07:36pm PT
Wow, so much hate. So much self-righteous indignation.
How many of you have never broken a rule in the Park? Never bivied in the boulders? In your van?
I did for years.
Has anyone ever been killed by a falling haulbag? Sure, I guess it could happen but the odds???
Did he parachute it or just let it fly?
Way back in the 90s when I was doing walls the bag toss was commonplace, and no, I never did. And no, I’m not a huge Pete fan.
I guess what I’m saying is- when did tattling to the tool on your fellow climber become so cool. Kind of makes me want to take up golf or something.
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Oct 3, 2012 - 07:39pm PT
Don't tattle, booty!
Prod

Trad climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 07:47pm PT
Farouk, are you calling me a liar or a non climber?

Philo is a non climbing liar! I don't even think he has been to the base of Mt Wilson, let alone entered The Black Canyon. Hahaha. Fake.

Farouk you're a douche, there may have been some exageration but you are still a douche.

Pete, I'm betting you are lurking here? Anyway thanks for all of the advice over the years, and if I am in Yosemite and anyone tosses a bag, they better hope that they get there before me. I will take it and sell everything on ebay, then donate the money to the charity or charity case of my choosing. Sometimes I like being a righteous prick.

Prod.
Farouk

Boulder climber
Sylvan Grove
Oct 3, 2012 - 09:32pm PT
Farouk you're a douche, there may have been some exageration but you are still a douche.

Pete, I'm betting you are lurking here? Anyway thanks for all of the advice over the years, and if I am in Yosemite and anyone tosses a bag, they better hope that they get there before me. I will take it and sell everything on ebay

You touch my bag and you'd be one sorry Prod and you can count on it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can try me this fall and bring shrapnel Tuna Can boy with you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Oct 3, 2012 - 09:34pm PT
So many parallels with drunk driving...

The aptly named bigwall shitter has told us:

No one was hurt (luckily). Give them a scolding and make sure it doesn't happen again

Have you lost someone to a drunk driver? If so, were you willing to quickly:

Don't be so quick to sh#t on him, or at least tone down the level of sh#t.

Sure, the approach to the Captain is not the 405 late Saturday night, but the actions here are no different than what happens each and every day on our highways.

Did everyone see Werner's post on the duplicate thread?

Credit: Ihateplastic

So it CAN happen and it DOES happen. Perhaps the next victim will be your girlfriend, son, daughter, dad, mom, best friend, etc. Then will you remain toned down in your rhetoric?
elcap-pics

Big Wall climber
Crestline CA
Oct 3, 2012 - 09:39pm PT
My last word one this... when I contacted Pete at the end of last season I told him that all he had to do was just say " I have tossed bags in the past and I will not do so in the future" and all the mess would go away. Never got an answer. Also we have been fortunate that all the close calls were just that and now we can go forward with the knowledge that there is not just long odds against hitting someone but now there is ZERO chance of hitting anyone because no bags will go flying. Simple solution. I too like Pete and accept his weirdness as the charge for having a diverse group. I actually defend his "big wall camping" to the tourons because he does have a point and although I never camped like that it does make some sense. I only called him out after I realized that he was not going to listen to any of us individually so we ALL needed to put pressure on him.
Thank you guys for helping make him see the brashness of his actions. I will welcome him back to the community when he just tells us the simple words I wrote above. Sorry it had to go this far.
Time to end this thread.
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Oct 3, 2012 - 10:11pm PT
Let's hear from the man himself to end this thread. Pete?
guido

Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
Oct 3, 2012 - 10:16pm PT
Put this puppy to bed Tom, you must be kidding?

"There once was a climber name Pete
Whose antics were far from discreet.

Best known as a wanker
He's more like a chancre

On climbing élan and technique."


By order of the Blue Cagoule
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Oct 3, 2012 - 10:17pm PT
Now wouldn't that be nice, a word from the abused ( I mean't accused) and then, hopefully, an end to the conjecture and pontification on this thread.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Oct 3, 2012 - 10:20pm PT
This is like, the one thread people could possibly be justified in stealing. Look how many jump to it, lol.


ME ME I'LL ROB HIM ME I'LL STEAL FROM HIM!


Yup. That's how it works.

It's convenient when, in your eyes, the best form of punishment nets you a bunch of material toys and things.



Mob mentality is scary, like everyone cant WAIT to get a reason to sh#t all over someone so they go massively overboard when one of those oppurtinities presents itself.
dipper

climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 10:21pm PT
PTPP,

Rarely are you at a loss for words.

Now a discussion about some activity by you, some very foolish, selfish, dangerous and illegal activity, and you have bupkiss to say?

Sack up and own up.

Can you not trade places, imagine yourself at the base with some fool dropping things from above and see why you need to stop doing this?
MisterE

Social climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 10:25pm PT
I wonder how many of these "Base-bootyers" will be hanging out, endangering themselves at the base, to be the first ones after the "Hiss, BOOM!"

There would be some morbid irony there, not that I would wish it on anyone...

Jess sayin'
Prod

Trad climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 10:33pm PT
You touch my bag and you'd be one sorry Prod and you can count on it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So then you toss your haul bags as well?

Prod.
ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven
Oct 3, 2012 - 10:59pm PT
I have little climbing experience in Yosemite and I have never done a "big wall." Can someone please explain what you would put in the bag that is tossed. Wouldn't a lot of the stuff in it and the bag itself be destroyed from the drop?
Oplopanax

Mountain climber
The Deep Woods
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:00pm PT
Can someone please explain what you would put in the bag that is tossed.

A bunch of turds in paper bags...
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:02pm PT
I have little climbing experience in Yosemite and I have never done a "big wall." Can someone please explain what you would put in the bag that is tossed. Wouldn't a lot of the stuff in it and the bag itself be destroyed from the drop?

Semen and O.E., mostly.
BASE1361

climber
Yosemite Valley National Park
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:04pm PT
Sounds like admission of guilt on the Canadian ASSissan and time for a fine and ban from the tOOl
ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:14pm PT
Funny. But seriously, what's in the bag and isn't it destroyed?
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:23pm PT
Dunno never tossed one. But there are plenty of things that would survive the fall just fine..Clothes, Rope sleeping bag, Extra food, Most of the rack should be fine. The bag? hard to say depend what it hit I suppose.. But bags are quite repairable. Not the portaledge of course.
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:43pm PT
I will welcome him back to the community when he just tells us the simple words I wrote above. Sorry it had to go this far.

So the guy that takes the pictures is the one who decides to kick someone out of the community, or take them back? I must become friends with this dude!
mooser

Trad climber
seattle
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:51pm PT
Holy smokes, folks... Points have been made, lathers have been sufficiently worked up into...

Go to bed.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Oct 3, 2012 - 11:58pm PT
But seriously, what's in the bag and isn't it destroyed?


As was said above, pitons, slings, clothes, empty cans, empty H2O, sleep bags got chucked.

Cameras, cams, carabiners, ropes, portaledges, weed etc got lugged down.

And yes I was guilty, a number of times. 1984 was the last time I pitched I believe.
salad

climber
Oct 4, 2012 - 12:45am PT
as long as they didnt drink and drive i dont see the problem. i mean its el cap...what are the odds of someone getting injured? there really arent that many people at the base of the captain.

ya'all need to chill out and let boys be boys.
ElCapPirate

Big Wall climber
Reno, Nevada
Oct 4, 2012 - 12:53am PT
Go to bed.

But, first a bed time story...


My brother and I sat in a portaledge at the 14th pith of the Pacific Ocean Wall, halfway up El Cap. We had been hammered by the weather for three days straight. It was not the best choice for a big wall camp but the storm hit with such a force it surprised every party on the wall. We were the last of the warriors on an empty battle field that got wiped clean by mostly rescuers.

The belay that third morning was under ten inches of ice, the thought of chopping it out seemed like too much effort. We were weak with hypothermia and our skin was so raw and water logged that gobs of flesh would tear off if we accidently scraped it against something too hard. The sun was finally up and clouds of moisture was engulfing us while it tried to dry everything in its path. We were hoping it would melt our belay anchor so we could unclip the carabiners for our retreat.

We were in a very bad place, mentally and physically. It was so bad that it was easy to imagine just going to sleep, taking a nice relaxing breath and never waking up. It would be so easy, I kept thinking.

There was no way we were going to make all these traversing rappels with all of the gear we had. At some point, Gabe and I, agreed that we were going to have to toss all of our wet soft gear, sleeping bags, cloths, etc. It weighed a ton and it was just too much to manage in our condition. We yelled “ROCK”, for ten minutes and then kicked the haul bag and watched it gather speed, the sound splitting the air like a missile. It was the only time I had tossed a haul bag and wasn’t all that happy about feeling forced into it.

It took us over eight hours to maneuver the overhangs, traverses and pendulums. I lead the descent and was absolutely worked from the ordeal. My brother had it worse at times back aiding the “Central Latitudes” and other shenanigans that I had to pull to get the job done. We cleaned up our mess at the base and managed to make it back to the parking lot where we had to ask a complete stranger to help us take off our harnesses because our hands were frost bitten and useless... which the numbness in our fingers lasted six months.

The next day we rolled into the café for some morning grub. We couldn’t bother with a shower just yet and cleared out a complete section of rock monkeys from our stench.

Later that day Werner congratulated us on the self rescue with a slap on our backs, SAR was watching us the entire time. I sheepishly apologized about tossing the haul bag and he agreed that we did what we had to do.

Looking back on why I felt so bad about tossing stems from the fear I felt from almost being hit by a bag.

Anyway, I’m hoping there's some things to learn from this tale, I know I did.


Good night...
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Oct 4, 2012 - 01:02am PT
Great post Ammon. 'night matey.
BASE1361

climber
Yosemite Valley National Park
Oct 4, 2012 - 01:03am PT
Thanx Ammon. Nice adventure.....
I can see you and Gabe like WTF over.
You have a conscious.

Heal fast.

Thanx again
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Oct 4, 2012 - 01:16am PT
EDIT: Sorry, I was tired and did not read in Salad's sarcasm. My bad! Sorry Salad! Nice work!

there really arent (sic) that many people at the base of the captain.

Nope, no one waiting for LF, Zodiac, Salathé, Nose, etc. It is always so vacant down at the base. I am amazed how nothing has changed there in the past few decades. I would have thought it would be more popular and people would be waiting to start the most popular routes!
crasic

climber
Oct 4, 2012 - 01:19am PT
Wasn't the soloist on zodiac woken up by the bag hitting the ground as she bivvied at the base?
salad

climber
Oct 4, 2012 - 01:20am PT
sorry if my sarcasm was missed.... could not be more against the pansy ass attitude of throwing bags in this day and age...
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Oct 4, 2012 - 01:43am PT
Nice work Salad. My Bad!
salad

climber
Oct 4, 2012 - 02:25am PT
no bad IHP. i was trying to be vague because:

1) i dont belong to climbing history
2) ive never been a good climber
3) ive only climbed the captain once
4) ive only climbed a few walls
5) i havent done sh#t in a few years cause im a fat ol father of 2 (no excuse i know)

but it pisses me the fck off that people throw sh#t off the top of any climb.

oh fck.. here is a good example, mutha fckin duh...

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/432518/Pete-Absolon-killed-in-Wind-River-accident

how the fck can anyone throw anyting off the top of a climb these days?

it makes me sick that people are so into themselves, and so effing weak physically and psychologically to not finish the job with style and class.

i try and stay out of these debates beacause i know that i suck at climbing and all the hard ass mother fckrs on this forum would laugh me back into next week for throwing out my dumb ass opinions...

whatever. you suck if you cant get your stuff down on your own, of course barring life threating situations when dropping is your only choice.

anyway whatever, this thread pisses me off. quit throwing your bags off el cap. if i can top out and in july and get my sht down, surely you can.
Matt

Trad climber
it's all turtles, all the way dooowwwwwnn!!!!!
Oct 4, 2012 - 02:33am PT
What if they were attacked by a large number of naked women on top and accidentally dropped the bags?


wouldn't it have had to be a hoard of 14yr olds if PtHP was so distracted by it? just sayin...

in all honesty, these are far from the 1st ethical transgressions the guy has been associated with, and the idea that he'll magically develop some character is, well, kinda far fetched, IMO.
E

Social climber
Tujunga CA.
Oct 4, 2012 - 11:35am PT
el cap is a round trip deal. ya gotta carry all your stuff to the base. then you have to climb it.
Now when you are totally beat you have to break it down and carry it off.
i can carry 90 lbs off in just a few hrs. maybe a second trip depending on partners.
I have launched my stuff twice off the captain, first one we cut the whole load loose with no chute from high on the Horse chute to enable a 10 pitch day and overall 3 day climb. second time was after zm with my friend Greg Byrne. Both times we lost gear cuz we were pretty dumb. Nobody around back then to endanger. Also launched a curry ledge off with walt. We threw it off just as the wind picked up. The ledge became a flying wing and we watched it fly smartly around the corner of the east buttress and dissappear. Found it at slabhappy pinnacle.
Way too many people around to throw stuff any more.

EE
E

Social climber
Tujunga CA.
Oct 4, 2012 - 11:47am PT

thumbs down for improper climbing content
180 posts.....losers
cliffhanger

Trad climber
California
Oct 4, 2012 - 11:54am PT


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philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Oct 4, 2012 - 12:00pm PT
Well all I can say is that I am aghast!
Survival was a tosser.
Jeremy

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Oct 4, 2012 - 12:02pm PT
Sh#t Phil...I coulda told you that.

;-)

Hehehe...

J
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Oct 4, 2012 - 12:05pm PT
GUIDED PRECISION AERIAL DELIVERY SYSTEM

With that delivery system Pete can drop his bags right at the bridge.
10b4me

Ice climber
dingy room at the Happy boulders hotel
Oct 4, 2012 - 12:24pm PT

thumbs down for improper climbing content
180 posts.....losers

hahaha!
Aren't there enough people in Camp 4 willing to go up and carry sh#t down for a fee?
John M

climber
Oct 4, 2012 - 12:36pm PT
with the time limits camp 4 isn't the dirtbag holding pen it use to be.

Plus dirtbag prices have gone up. 100 bucks a bag is getting a bit steep for some folks.

I have an idea for cutting cost. Hire a dirtbag to make certain the landing zone is clear, and then drop them and have the dirtbag haul the pigs out from the base. A couple of radios or cell phones should handle the communication issues.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Oct 4, 2012 - 01:02pm PT
100 bucks a bag for a porter ? WOW! that's a good deal.

How much to carry a used up wall climber down ? Is a sedan chair extra ?
John M

climber
Oct 4, 2012 - 01:15pm PT
there are dirtbags. They just don't live in camp 4 anymore.
briham89

Big Wall climber
los gatos. ca
Oct 4, 2012 - 01:20pm PT
Gotta live in the woods with the damn stay restrictions at c4
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Oct 4, 2012 - 01:36pm PT
Yew tards.

Follow the money.

Back the hell in the day we got $100 for carrying a 50-pound load to the top for CBS News. With inflation and a generous discount for climbing brotherly love, it's not feasible for less than $125/RT. Dirtbag economics dictates expediency, however: take what they offer and be happy. If they don't offer, ask. If you never ask, you are a tard and don't deserve to be a dirtbag.

E

Social climber
Tujunga CA.
Oct 4, 2012 - 02:22pm PT
price for 55 lb load from the nose is $150 all day long. more from further over. its worth $200 easy. Wanna know why? whole days work, you got to jug. Then you gotta get the stuff, organize it, and then rap with the load on usually sh#t fixed lines. its actually sorta dangerous, why do you think that people pay to get their stuff removed from the summit.

E
cliffhanger

Trad climber
California
Oct 4, 2012 - 02:43pm PT
The American dirtbag is an overpaid wimp.

Not only do most porters in the Himalaya area go barefoot, they also use tumplines, bearing the entire load on their head, suitable for monster loads up to 320 pounds! Plus they work cheap.

The Nepali porter is amazingly strong despite his her small stature. On average they can carry around 75 kg loads in baskets which are strapped with a tumpline on their forehead. They start at an early age of 10 with ‘small’ loads of 22kgs. The porters on the Everest trail carry up to 145kgs for the local market.



Here's a barefoot teenage porter in Nepal:



http://www.panoramio.com/photo/20428407

http://www.18531.com/2009/04/sherpa-barefoot-on-top-of-mount-everest-to-find-their-own-cattle/
BASE1361

climber
Yosemite Valley National Park
Oct 4, 2012 - 06:32pm PT
So a dirtbag is one who removes the gear from the base that a douche bag dropped?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 4, 2012 - 07:04pm PT
Just a thought - maybe people are taking way more than they need.
I never needed bottles of wine, boomboxes, or stoves.
Moof

Big Wall climber
Orygun
Oct 4, 2012 - 07:09pm PT
Or firewood, barbecues, etc...
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Oct 4, 2012 - 07:24pm PT
This thread is a great impotent roar of mighty mice. Yall AIN'T GONNA DO SH#T.

Nada.

Steal ptpp's junk show??? Ain't got the hair on your BALLS to do that.

DMT
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Oct 4, 2012 - 07:27pm PT
And if they do Dingus, They shoud:


1) Be climbing.

2) Be drinking a beer at the summit after climbing.

3) Be bailing from a climb.

4) Be getting a rescue from YOSAR on a climb.

Not camping out a spot for booty.

THOUGH a great RIP thread would ensue...

"!@#%$!@$ died doing what he loved, waiting at the base of a climb for PTPP's haul bag. He waited the right spot, but forgot to avoid it, and ultimately paid the price."
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Oct 4, 2012 - 08:32pm PT
And if they do Dingus, They shoud:

Nope. Nobody's doing Dingus either.

Nada
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Oct 4, 2012 - 08:33pm PT
I'm so happy you didn't list the things that people should do to Dingus WHILE doing him!
ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
bouldering
Oct 7, 2012 - 03:22am PT
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