Prod
Trad climber
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You touch my bag and you'd be one sorry Prod and you can count on it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So then you toss your haul bags as well?
Prod.
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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I have little climbing experience in Yosemite and I have never done a "big wall." Can someone please explain what you would put in the bag that is tossed. Wouldn't a lot of the stuff in it and the bag itself be destroyed from the drop?
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Oplopanax
Mountain climber
The Deep Woods
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Can someone please explain what you would put in the bag that is tossed.
A bunch of turds in paper bags...
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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I have little climbing experience in Yosemite and I have never done a "big wall." Can someone please explain what you would put in the bag that is tossed. Wouldn't a lot of the stuff in it and the bag itself be destroyed from the drop?
Semen and O.E., mostly.
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BASE1361
climber
Yosemite Valley National Park
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Sounds like admission of guilt on the Canadian ASSissan and time for a fine and ban from the tOOl
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Funny. But seriously, what's in the bag and isn't it destroyed?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Dunno never tossed one. But there are plenty of things that would survive the fall just fine..Clothes, Rope sleeping bag, Extra food, Most of the rack should be fine. The bag? hard to say depend what it hit I suppose.. But bags are quite repairable. Not the portaledge of course.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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I will welcome him back to the community when he just tells us the simple words I wrote above. Sorry it had to go this far.
So the guy that takes the pictures is the one who decides to kick someone out of the community, or take them back? I must become friends with this dude!
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mooser
Trad climber
seattle
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Holy smokes, folks... Points have been made, lathers have been sufficiently worked up into...
Go to bed.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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But seriously, what's in the bag and isn't it destroyed?
As was said above, pitons, slings, clothes, empty cans, empty H2O, sleep bags got chucked.
Cameras, cams, carabiners, ropes, portaledges, weed etc got lugged down.
And yes I was guilty, a number of times. 1984 was the last time I pitched I believe.
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salad
climber
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as long as they didnt drink and drive i dont see the problem. i mean its el cap...what are the odds of someone getting injured? there really arent that many people at the base of the captain.
ya'all need to chill out and let boys be boys.
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ElCapPirate
Big Wall climber
Reno, Nevada
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Go to bed.
But, first a bed time story...
My brother and I sat in a portaledge at the 14th pith of the Pacific Ocean Wall, halfway up El Cap. We had been hammered by the weather for three days straight. It was not the best choice for a big wall camp but the storm hit with such a force it surprised every party on the wall. We were the last of the warriors on an empty battle field that got wiped clean by mostly rescuers.
The belay that third morning was under ten inches of ice, the thought of chopping it out seemed like too much effort. We were weak with hypothermia and our skin was so raw and water logged that gobs of flesh would tear off if we accidently scraped it against something too hard. The sun was finally up and clouds of moisture was engulfing us while it tried to dry everything in its path. We were hoping it would melt our belay anchor so we could unclip the carabiners for our retreat.
We were in a very bad place, mentally and physically. It was so bad that it was easy to imagine just going to sleep, taking a nice relaxing breath and never waking up. It would be so easy, I kept thinking.
There was no way we were going to make all these traversing rappels with all of the gear we had. At some point, Gabe and I, agreed that we were going to have to toss all of our wet soft gear, sleeping bags, cloths, etc. It weighed a ton and it was just too much to manage in our condition. We yelled “ROCK”, for ten minutes and then kicked the haul bag and watched it gather speed, the sound splitting the air like a missile. It was the only time I had tossed a haul bag and wasn’t all that happy about feeling forced into it.
It took us over eight hours to maneuver the overhangs, traverses and pendulums. I lead the descent and was absolutely worked from the ordeal. My brother had it worse at times back aiding the “Central Latitudes” and other shenanigans that I had to pull to get the job done. We cleaned up our mess at the base and managed to make it back to the parking lot where we had to ask a complete stranger to help us take off our harnesses because our hands were frost bitten and useless... which the numbness in our fingers lasted six months.
The next day we rolled into the café for some morning grub. We couldn’t bother with a shower just yet and cleared out a complete section of rock monkeys from our stench.
Later that day Werner congratulated us on the self rescue with a slap on our backs, SAR was watching us the entire time. I sheepishly apologized about tossing the haul bag and he agreed that we did what we had to do.
Looking back on why I felt so bad about tossing stems from the fear I felt from almost being hit by a bag.
Anyway, I’m hoping there's some things to learn from this tale, I know I did.
Good night...
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Great post Ammon. 'night matey.
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BASE1361
climber
Yosemite Valley National Park
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Thanx Ammon. Nice adventure.....
I can see you and Gabe like WTF over.
You have a conscious.
Heal fast.
Thanx again
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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EDIT: Sorry, I was tired and did not read in Salad's sarcasm. My bad! Sorry Salad! Nice work!
there really arent (sic) that many people at the base of the captain.
Nope, no one waiting for LF, Zodiac, Salathé, Nose, etc. It is always so vacant down at the base. I am amazed how nothing has changed there in the past few decades. I would have thought it would be more popular and people would be waiting to start the most popular routes!
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crasic
climber
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Wasn't the soloist on zodiac woken up by the bag hitting the ground as she bivvied at the base?
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salad
climber
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sorry if my sarcasm was missed.... could not be more against the pansy ass attitude of throwing bags in this day and age...
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Nice work Salad. My Bad!
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salad
climber
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no bad IHP. i was trying to be vague because:
1) i dont belong to climbing history
2) ive never been a good climber
3) ive only climbed the captain once
4) ive only climbed a few walls
5) i havent done sh#t in a few years cause im a fat ol father of 2 (no excuse i know)
but it pisses me the fck off that people throw sh#t off the top of any climb.
oh fck.. here is a good example, mutha fckin duh...
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/432518/Pete-Absolon-killed-in-Wind-River-accident
how the fck can anyone throw anyting off the top of a climb these days?
it makes me sick that people are so into themselves, and so effing weak physically and psychologically to not finish the job with style and class.
i try and stay out of these debates beacause i know that i suck at climbing and all the hard ass mother fckrs on this forum would laugh me back into next week for throwing out my dumb ass opinions...
whatever. you suck if you cant get your stuff down on your own, of course barring life threating situations when dropping is your only choice.
anyway whatever, this thread pisses me off. quit throwing your bags off el cap. if i can top out and in july and get my sht down, surely you can.
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Matt
Trad climber
it's all turtles, all the way dooowwwwwnn!!!!!
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What if they were attacked by a large number of naked women on top and accidentally dropped the bags?
wouldn't it have had to be a hoard of 14yr olds if PtHP was so distracted by it? just sayin...
in all honesty, these are far from the 1st ethical transgressions the guy has been associated with, and the idea that he'll magically develop some character is, well, kinda far fetched, IMO.
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