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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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But this thread has the malodorous flavor of a lynching. Let he who is without sin tie the rope.
On Belay motherf*#ker!
;D
Times were different, no shame, Ron... not as many on the cap'n I'm sure, and we all make mistakes in life.
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jfailing
Trad climber
Lone Pine
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Wait, so the consensus is... anger about him dropping his bags? I think we still need a few hundred more posts to really know how people feel about it.
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DanaB
climber
CT
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**but we all f*#k up.**
Are you serious?
Even a small child could understand the danger.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Werner, slack you dipstick.
Can I toss a bag on you from the top of el-cap?
If you live, you will be "a man with a stiff neck"
If you die, I'll tell everyone you wanted to be a woman.
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MisterE
Social climber
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What JStan said.
Reckless endangerment is a crime consisting of acts that create a substantial risk of serious physical injury to another person. The accused person isn't required to intend the resulting or potential harm, but must have acted in a way that showed a disregard for the foreseeable consequences of the actions.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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For the record I'm not advocating lynching Pete, and I know they were down a partner but this kinda of thing just is not acceptable.
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BASE1361
climber
Yosemite Valley National Park
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Silver I respect you but one act that any good person would do when someone is in need of medial attention is quite different from endangering the lives of others. Again apples vs oranges
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Just put him on the government's "No US Entry" list. That way he can spend his vacations taking 40 days to aid up Squamish and toss his bags there.
When Pete does something like this, he's the American assassin - he has dual citizenship. So you can't keep him out.
And please don't be throwing your bags off Baffin Island. It makes a mess in a real wilderness, plus only a fool would be separated from her/his equipment in that environment.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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As I said a few times in this thread.
I like Pete. But regardless even if he was my best friend... hell especially if he was my best friend I'd have to take him to task for this.
Does not mean I wont be glad to see him again sometime .. hell.. I'd be glad to climb with him.
Once he stops dropping bags for once and all
Which has to happen
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Someone runs to call 911 when a guy who is essentially part of his climbing team at the time gets hurt...and you expect accolades for that? F*#kin'a man, that's bare minimum I'd expect, not some heroic achievement. Get your goggles on straight, you're not seeing this very clearly IMO.
Tossing bags, in prime season, when there WAS someone at the base...not
"could be", WAS someone right next to the drop zone...is he trying to even the karmic balance? Help save one, kill another to compensate?
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jstan
climber
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I spoke to Pete he gets it now. It will never happen again.
Is a third party report of such a declaration an adequate response when the lives of bystanders are at stake?
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Just for the record here.
My accident is a totally separate incident from this and I would really like it to stay that way. I owe Jon and Pete my life. End of story there. I do not want one action to be sullied or enhanced by the other.
However.
Even with that being the case, I do not in any way shape or form condone anyone tossing anything off a big wall. Or cliff. Or building. Even if you know it's clear, sh#t happens. Not only that, you're doing a hell of a lot of impact damage to gear that you depend on for your life. Not to mention 50 other reasons why it's a bad idea.
If the facts are what has been stated, then I am going to be super disappointed with the individuals involved.
But I wasn't there - and neither were most of the people posting here. Until I talk to Pete and Jon face to face, I am going to wait to start throwing stones at glass walls. And I will talk to them face to face about it.
And that's all I have to say.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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He is sorry he will stay away from the bridge, he will earn your trust through actions not words and I for one am willing to believe Pete.
I'd like him to apologize for his own actions.
We can seperate people an events. Hitler was a great painter (lol Godwin's law) and I'm a terrible chef. Give actions the weight they deserve.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Yeah that would be a great defense in court. But ya see yer honor I had nookie waiting at camp.
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malabarista
Trad climber
Portland, OR
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The Hubers almost killed us with a hall bag they dropped accidentally back in 2003. Thomas did rap down and apologize profusely...no hard feelings.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Back when men were men and sheep were scared. :-)
Back in Kazakhstan sheep are women. That's why they are scared ; )
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Roadie
Trad climber
Bishop, Ca
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Wow, so much hate. So much self-righteous indignation.
How many of you have never broken a rule in the Park? Never bivied in the boulders? In your van?
I did for years.
Has anyone ever been killed by a falling haulbag? Sure, I guess it could happen but the odds???
Did he parachute it or just let it fly?
Way back in the 90s when I was doing walls the bag toss was commonplace, and no, I never did. And no, I’m not a huge Pete fan.
I guess what I’m saying is- when did tattling to the tool on your fellow climber become so cool. Kind of makes me want to take up golf or something.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Don't tattle, booty!
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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So many parallels with drunk driving...
The aptly named bigwall shitter has told us:
No one was hurt (luckily). Give them a scolding and make sure it doesn't happen again
Have you lost someone to a drunk driver? If so, were you willing to quickly:
Don't be so quick to sh#t on him, or at least tone down the level of sh#t.
Sure, the approach to the Captain is not the 405 late Saturday night, but the actions here are no different than what happens each and every day on our highways.
Did everyone see Werner's post on the duplicate thread?
So it CAN happen and it DOES happen. Perhaps the next victim will be your girlfriend, son, daughter, dad, mom, best friend, etc. Then will you remain toned down in your rhetoric?
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