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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Jul 25, 2012 - 08:54pm PT
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Hey Werner,
How do you know so much about how guide books are written and published in Europe?
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WBraun
climber
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Jul 25, 2012 - 08:59pm PT
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Fuk Europe peons and write the guide,
I was talkin about USA not Europe peons.
Over there if you get arrested for writing guide book and it's against the law without permission it's stupid.
Just see .... :-)
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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Jul 25, 2012 - 09:07pm PT
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No one. Maybe we should eliminate guidebooks
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Salamanizer
Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
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Jul 25, 2012 - 09:54pm PT
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I've began to start taking up DMT's position as well.
For a long time I was pretty well known for adding detailed descriptions to almost every route I've climbed on a couple websites route databases.
My original intentions were to take a bit of the mystery out of the route to motivate others to actually get on the thing and to thin traffic in populated areas.
What I've found this does is only get people who are not ready for the route for whatever reason to jump on it, which almost always results in someone wanting to dumb the route down in some way.
Now, if anything I'll just put the name, F.A. info, general location, grade and pro. No need for all the Bla, Bla, Bla...
For my own routes I never post anything online. I prefer to spread that info by word of mouth. If you ask, I'm more than likely to share.
I do sometimes mark my routes in a unique way for anyone who just happens upon them. Usually, if you do actually happen upon an area where one of my routes are, you're probably the sort of adventurous type who might actually consider climbing it.
So I give a little teaser info which looks about something like this.
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Anxious Melancholy
Mountain climber
Between the Depths of Despair & Heights of Folly
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Jul 25, 2012 - 11:34pm PT
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Any one want to bring Canyon Tajo it's information "owner" Juan Maderita in on this? Comments?
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bit'er ol' guy
climber
the past
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Jul 25, 2012 - 11:50pm PT
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publish both.
that will solve the problem.
think of all the fun.
One will call the "direct" 5.10 a/b R (sandbag!!)
The other will call it 5.10- R/X (give away)
Then you'll have 2 locals bitchin' about how much work it was and how little they got paid.
But......they better not start complaining about the crowds trampling the shrubs.
the crowds they invited.
Maybe they could co-author the damn thing and split all the $$$$$$$
good times!
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
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Jul 30, 2012 - 01:39am PT
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owning a microsite where new route information is sometimes posted, I see this trend directly that Sal and DMT are talking about. Where in the late 90s hardly no one climbed there, now many climb along it's forested roads.
Consequently I remain conflicted, and perhaps that's good. Perhaps a site should be hard to read, hard to find info, be incomplete, always in a state of development of some sort, even outdated.
Yet, more times than I can tell you I have benefitted from a guidebook and website information. It made it possible to make the journey, to reach out to locals, etc.
It's a fine balance.
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