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apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Topic Author's Original Post - May 18, 2012 - 10:36pm PT
White boy blues, to be sure.

Clapton vs. Page?

Bonham vs. Baker?

Future influence & impact?

Originality vs. repackaging?

Spray....
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Topic Author's Reply - May 18, 2012 - 10:39pm PT
bhilden

Trad climber
Mountain View, CA
May 18, 2012 - 10:40pm PT
Both!
splitter

Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
May 18, 2012 - 11:30pm PT
For me 6 of 1 vs 1/2 dozen of the other.

Listened to them both from day one of their hitting the airwaves in the US.

Ginger Baker was, I believe, the 1st rock drummer to use a double base/kicker & was unique in his style of drumming. He was who was on every ones lips in the streets and music rags/newspapers, the one being talked about when Cream(the band)was the topic. Of course everything else about the band was stellar(Clapton/Bruce and the lyrics, etc). But his speed drumming technique was totally new. You heard rumors that he must be a speed freak(drugs)etc., to play that fast and wicked, lol!

Led Zep came around a few years later. Of course everyone new of Page from the Yardbirds, etc.! And they had a few songs on the radio as The New Yardbirds, which would end up on their first album as LZ. But when it all really came together was when you heard their first album as LZ in its entirety. Their chemistry and combined musical talent along with the new material was mind blowing.

I will never forget the first time I heard Led Zeppelin. One of my surf buddies picked me up to go surfing early one morning around January of '69 in his van and was blasting his brand new 8 track tape of their first album. I had heard one or two of their singles that had been released on AM and FM stations a month or two before, but not any of the other recordings. It totally blew me away. They were original in their take of the new sound that was emerging and had allot of energy...heavy metal**. Their combined pure talent soon put them as #1 on every ones list.

EDIT: Future influence & impact, I would say LZ on Heavy Metal in general and later Thrash & Hardcore Metal, Grunge, etc.! GB on Heavy Metal drummers and particularly those that developed a double bass tech later on. But John Bonham was also influential. And Plant had a significant influence on later front-men, both in his vocal ability/style and stage dynamics/presents.

Both Page & Clapton on future guitarist in general, but Page in regards to HM guitarist and Thrash and Melodic Hardcore, etc. later on.

I would have to say that LZ had the biggest influence over all to this very day. LZ remains a very popular band with youth as it always has been. If you ask, or read about which bands have had the most influence on individuals and groups, or what were the first songs you learned toplay, LZ material is always one of the bands listed. As are Page and Clapton as individual guitarist, but Clapton more so in a blues & rock vein & Page more so in a metal vein.

**I wouldn't categorize LZ as a heavy metal band. They came along as that genre was emerging. I would consider them something between hard rock and metal perhaps. Depends on which tunes of course.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
May 18, 2012 - 11:45pm PT
if I had to pick one: Cream

You thought the leaden winter
Would bring you down forever
But you rode upon a steamer
To the violence of the sun

And the colors of the sea
Blind your eyes with trembling mermaids
And you touch the distant beaches
With tales of brave Ulysses

How his naked ears were tortured
By the sirens sweetly singing
For the sparkling waves are calling you
To touch their white laced lips

And you see a girl?s brown body
Dancing through the turquoise
And her footprints make you follow
Where the sky loves the sea

And when your fingers find her
She drowns you in her body
Carving deep blue ripples
In the tissues of your mind

The tiny purple fishes
Run laughing through your fingers
And you want to take her with you
To the hard land of the winter

Her name is Aphrodite
And she rides a crimson shell
you know you cannot leave her
For you touched the distant sands

With tales of brave Ulysses
How his naked ears were tortured
By the sirens sweetly singing
Yeah

The tiny purple fishes
Run laughing through your fingers
You want to take her with you
To the hard land of the winter
splitter

Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
May 18, 2012 - 11:55pm PT
Ed, yes, I must admit, White Room & Tales of Brave Ulysses were the 1st songs that I, TRULY, banged my head to! For me, it was the beginning of a new era in music, including its lyrical content!!


Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
May 18, 2012 - 11:56pm PT
Man oh man, that is a tough choice. Do I have to vote? Can I go take a crap or something and pretend I missed it?
zBrown

Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
May 19, 2012 - 07:35am PT
Take about 20 songs by each group. Alternate listening to them 1 X Cream then 1 X LZ. Call me in the morning.

867-5309. Ask for Tommy Tutone.

It is interesting that Mr. Clapton subsequently repudiated Cream's treatment of certain songs (e.g. Crossroads) and expressed his desire to join the group which is the winner by a large margin in any contest such as this:


The Band

Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
May 19, 2012 - 09:21am PT
Not even a question. Led who?
There are a lot of bands like LZ. There was only one Cream
zBrown

Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
May 19, 2012 - 09:25am PT
^ Makes Mr. Clapton's desire to join The Band even more significant I spose.
locker

Gym climber
RIP GUD buddy!
May 19, 2012 - 09:32am PT
" For me, it was the beginning of a new era in music, including its lyrical content!!"...

and then HENDRIX appeared and that was "All she wrote!!!"...

WHAMMO!!!...




But of the two???...

Cream vs LZ???...

Like someone already posted...

BOTH!!!...

locker

Gym climber
DUH!!!...
May 19, 2012 - 12:05pm PT

Eric Claptons BEST tune!!!...

...

Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
May 19, 2012 - 12:46pm PT
Has anyone ever covered Pressed rat and Warthog?
bit'er ol' guy

climber
the past
May 19, 2012 - 01:10pm PT
weak

lame
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
May 19, 2012 - 01:14pm PT



Zepplin for sure.

splitter

Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
May 19, 2012 - 01:21pm PT
Jaybro, here is an early('67)"cover" of PR&W! Beautiful song & rendition, imo...
zBrown

Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
May 19, 2012 - 01:25pm PT
Jaybro - Another take on PR&W

EDIT:
Looks like Splitter and I found the same one, but a band did cover the name

Pressed Rat and Warthog at Anglesea Music Festival 2011
Tune is "Great Ocean Road" with instrumental lead-in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-sHaBH8jys


Chris Finnen and the inimitable "Howlin J" also covered the song itself.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
May 19, 2012 - 01:51pm PT
Thanks you guys, a whole new way to hear that. The arist's notes are fascinating too!
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
May 19, 2012 - 02:06pm PT
hmmm...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX_cixaPHbA

or...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_aw0Mu0Wus



Mike Bolte

Trad climber
Planet Earth
May 19, 2012 - 02:33pm PT
Jaybro got it right!
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