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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Topic Author's Original Post - May 19, 2012 - 01:36am PT
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White boy blues, to be sure.
Clapton vs. Page?
Bonham vs. Baker?
Future influence & impact?
Originality vs. repackaging?
Spray....
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bhilden
Trad climber
Mountain View, CA
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May 19, 2012 - 01:40am PT
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Both!
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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May 19, 2012 - 02:30am PT
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For me 6 of 1 vs 1/2 dozen of the other.
Listened to them both from day one of their hitting the airwaves in the US.
Ginger Baker was, I believe, the 1st rock drummer to use a double base/kicker & was unique in his style of drumming. He was who was on every ones lips in the streets and music rags/newspapers, the one being talked about when Cream(the band)was the topic. Of course everything else about the band was stellar(Clapton/Bruce and the lyrics, etc). But his speed drumming technique was totally new. You heard rumors that he must be a speed freak(drugs)etc., to play that fast and wicked, lol!
Led Zep came around a few years later. Of course everyone new of Page from the Yardbirds, etc.! And they had a few songs on the radio as The New Yardbirds, which would end up on their first album as LZ. But when it all really came together was when you heard their first album as LZ in its entirety. Their chemistry and combined musical talent along with the new material was mind blowing.
I will never forget the first time I heard Led Zeppelin. One of my surf buddies picked me up to go surfing early one morning around January of '69 in his van and was blasting his brand new 8 track tape of their first album. I had heard one or two of their singles that had been released on AM and FM stations a month or two before, but not any of the other recordings. It totally blew me away. They were original in their take of the new sound that was emerging and had allot of energy...heavy metal**. Their combined pure talent soon put them as #1 on every ones list.
EDIT: Future influence & impact, I would say LZ on Heavy Metal in general and later Thrash & Hardcore Metal, Grunge, etc.! GB on Heavy Metal drummers and particularly those that developed a double bass tech later on. But John Bonham was also influential. And Plant had a significant influence on later front-men, both in his vocal ability/style and stage dynamics/presents.
Both Page & Clapton on future guitarist in general, but Page in regards to HM guitarist and Thrash and Melodic Hardcore, etc. later on.
I would have to say that LZ had the biggest influence over all to this very day. LZ remains a very popular band with youth as it always has been. If you ask, or read about which bands have had the most influence on individuals and groups, or what were the first songs you learned toplay, LZ material is always one of the bands listed. As are Page and Clapton as individual guitarist, but Clapton more so in a blues & rock vein & Page more so in a metal vein.
**I wouldn't categorize LZ as a heavy metal band. They came along as that genre was emerging. I would consider them something between hard rock and metal perhaps. Depends on which tunes of course.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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May 19, 2012 - 02:45am PT
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if I had to pick one: Cream
You thought the leaden winter
Would bring you down forever
But you rode upon a steamer
To the violence of the sun
And the colors of the sea
Blind your eyes with trembling mermaids
And you touch the distant beaches
With tales of brave Ulysses
How his naked ears were tortured
By the sirens sweetly singing
For the sparkling waves are calling you
To touch their white laced lips
And you see a girl?s brown body
Dancing through the turquoise
And her footprints make you follow
Where the sky loves the sea
And when your fingers find her
She drowns you in her body
Carving deep blue ripples
In the tissues of your mind
The tiny purple fishes
Run laughing through your fingers
And you want to take her with you
To the hard land of the winter
Her name is Aphrodite
And she rides a crimson shell
you know you cannot leave her
For you touched the distant sands
With tales of brave Ulysses
How his naked ears were tortured
By the sirens sweetly singing
Yeah
The tiny purple fishes
Run laughing through your fingers
You want to take her with you
To the hard land of the winter
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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May 19, 2012 - 02:55am PT
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Ed, yes, I must admit, White Room & Tales of Brave Ulysses were the 1st songs that I, TRULY, banged my head to! For me, it was the beginning of a new era in music, including its lyrical content!!
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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May 19, 2012 - 02:56am PT
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Man oh man, that is a tough choice. Do I have to vote? Can I go take a crap or something and pretend I missed it?
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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May 19, 2012 - 10:35am PT
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Take about 20 songs by each group. Alternate listening to them 1 X Cream then 1 X LZ. Call me in the morning.
867-5309. Ask for Tommy Tutone.
It is interesting that Mr. Clapton subsequently repudiated Cream's treatment of certain songs (e.g. Crossroads) and expressed his desire to join the group which is the winner by a large margin in any contest such as this:
The Band
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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May 19, 2012 - 12:21pm PT
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Not even a question. Led who?
There are a lot of bands like LZ. There was only one Cream
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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May 19, 2012 - 12:25pm PT
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^ Makes Mr. Clapton's desire to join The Band even more significant I spose.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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May 19, 2012 - 03:46pm PT
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Has anyone ever covered Pressed rat and Warthog?
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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May 19, 2012 - 04:21pm PT
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Jaybro, here is an early('67)"cover" of PR&W! Beautiful song & rendition, imo...
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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May 19, 2012 - 04:25pm PT
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Jaybro - Another take on PR&W
EDIT:
Looks like Splitter and I found the same one, but a band did cover the name
Pressed Rat and Warthog at Anglesea Music Festival 2011
Tune is "Great Ocean Road" with instrumental lead-in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-sHaBH8jys
Chris Finnen and the inimitable "Howlin J" also covered the song itself.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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May 19, 2012 - 04:51pm PT
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Thanks you guys, a whole new way to hear that. The arist's notes are fascinating too!
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Mike Bolte
Trad climber
Planet Earth
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May 19, 2012 - 05:33pm PT
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Jaybro got it right!
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wbw
Trad climber
'cross the great divide
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May 19, 2012 - 05:47pm PT
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As brilliant as he is, Ive always thought Clapton as a guitarist to be somewhat overrated. Now Jimmie Page, on the other hand presented a very honed and fairly diverse approach to the instrument. If there were so many bands like Zeppelin, it would be because so many wanted to copy what they had. Far more depth to their music than was the case for Cream.
Zeppelin hands down.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Social climber
Retired in Appalachia
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May 20, 2012 - 08:07am PT
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Trivia question, what band had:
Ginger Baker
Steve Winwood
Eric Clapton
Rich Grech (sp?)
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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May 20, 2012 - 08:19am PT
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Trivial answer:
Blind Faith
edit: more trivia: did ya know that Stevie Winwood was only 14yo when he joined The Spencer Davis Group. And he was only 17yo when he wrote and performed 'Gimme Some Lovin' & 'I'm A Man' with them...pretty talented dood, eh?
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