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apogee
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Topic Author's Original Post - May 19, 2012 - 01:36am PT
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White boy blues, to be sure.
Clapton vs. Page?
Bonham vs. Baker?
Future influence & impact?
Originality vs. repackaging?
Spray....
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bhilden
Trad climber
Mountain View, CA
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May 19, 2012 - 01:40am PT
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Both!
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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May 19, 2012 - 02:30am PT
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For me 6 of 1 vs 1/2 dozen of the other.
Listened to them both from day one of their hitting the airwaves in the US.
Ginger Baker was, I believe, the 1st rock drummer to use a double base/kicker & was unique in his style of drumming. He was who was on every ones lips in the streets and music rags/newspapers, the one being talked about when Cream(the band)was the topic. Of course everything else about the band was stellar(Clapton/Bruce and the lyrics, etc). But his speed drumming technique was totally new. You heard rumors that he must be a speed freak(drugs)etc., to play that fast and wicked, lol!
Led Zep came around a few years later. Of course everyone new of Page from the Yardbirds, etc.! And they had a few songs on the radio as The New Yardbirds, which would end up on their first album as LZ. But when it all really came together was when you heard their first album as LZ in its entirety. Their chemistry and combined musical talent along with the new material was mind blowing.
I will never forget the first time I heard Led Zeppelin. One of my surf buddies picked me up to go surfing early one morning around January of '69 in his van and was blasting his brand new 8 track tape of their first album. I had heard one or two of their singles that had been released on AM and FM stations a month or two before, but not any of the other recordings. It totally blew me away. They were original in their take of the new sound that was emerging and had allot of energy...heavy metal**. Their combined pure talent soon put them as #1 on every ones list.
EDIT: Future influence & impact, I would say LZ on Heavy Metal in general and later Thrash & Hardcore Metal, Grunge, etc.! GB on Heavy Metal drummers and particularly those that developed a double bass tech later on. But John Bonham was also influential. And Plant had a significant influence on later front-men, both in his vocal ability/style and stage dynamics/presents.
Both Page & Clapton on future guitarist in general, but Page in regards to HM guitarist and Thrash and Melodic Hardcore, etc. later on.
I would have to say that LZ had the biggest influence over all to this very day. LZ remains a very popular band with youth as it always has been. If you ask, or read about which bands have had the most influence on individuals and groups, or what were the first songs you learned toplay, LZ material is always one of the bands listed. As are Page and Clapton as individual guitarist, but Clapton more so in a blues & rock vein & Page more so in a metal vein.
**I wouldn't categorize LZ as a heavy metal band. They came along as that genre was emerging. I would consider them something between hard rock and metal perhaps. Depends on which tunes of course.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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May 19, 2012 - 02:45am PT
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if I had to pick one: Cream
You thought the leaden winter
Would bring you down forever
But you rode upon a steamer
To the violence of the sun
And the colors of the sea
Blind your eyes with trembling mermaids
And you touch the distant beaches
With tales of brave Ulysses
How his naked ears were tortured
By the sirens sweetly singing
For the sparkling waves are calling you
To touch their white laced lips
And you see a girl?s brown body
Dancing through the turquoise
And her footprints make you follow
Where the sky loves the sea
And when your fingers find her
She drowns you in her body
Carving deep blue ripples
In the tissues of your mind
The tiny purple fishes
Run laughing through your fingers
And you want to take her with you
To the hard land of the winter
Her name is Aphrodite
And she rides a crimson shell
you know you cannot leave her
For you touched the distant sands
With tales of brave Ulysses
How his naked ears were tortured
By the sirens sweetly singing
Yeah
The tiny purple fishes
Run laughing through your fingers
You want to take her with you
To the hard land of the winter
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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May 19, 2012 - 02:55am PT
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Ed, yes, I must admit, White Room & Tales of Brave Ulysses were the 1st songs that I, TRULY, banged my head to! For me, it was the beginning of a new era in music, including its lyrical content!!
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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May 19, 2012 - 02:56am PT
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Man oh man, that is a tough choice. Do I have to vote? Can I go take a crap or something and pretend I missed it?
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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May 19, 2012 - 10:35am PT
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Take about 20 songs by each group. Alternate listening to them 1 X Cream then 1 X LZ. Call me in the morning.
867-5309. Ask for Tommy Tutone.
It is interesting that Mr. Clapton subsequently repudiated Cream's treatment of certain songs (e.g. Crossroads) and expressed his desire to join the group which is the winner by a large margin in any contest such as this:
The Band
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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May 19, 2012 - 12:21pm PT
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Not even a question. Led who?
There are a lot of bands like LZ. There was only one Cream
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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May 19, 2012 - 12:25pm PT
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^ Makes Mr. Clapton's desire to join The Band even more significant I spose.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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May 19, 2012 - 03:46pm PT
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Has anyone ever covered Pressed rat and Warthog?
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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May 19, 2012 - 04:21pm PT
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Jaybro, here is an early('67)"cover" of PR&W! Beautiful song & rendition, imo...
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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May 19, 2012 - 04:25pm PT
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Jaybro - Another take on PR&W
EDIT:
Looks like Splitter and I found the same one, but a band did cover the name
Pressed Rat and Warthog at Anglesea Music Festival 2011
Tune is "Great Ocean Road" with instrumental lead-in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-sHaBH8jys
Chris Finnen and the inimitable "Howlin J" also covered the song itself.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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May 19, 2012 - 04:51pm PT
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Thanks you guys, a whole new way to hear that. The arist's notes are fascinating too!
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Mike Bolte
Trad climber
Planet Earth
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May 19, 2012 - 05:33pm PT
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Jaybro got it right!
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wbw
Trad climber
'cross the great divide
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May 19, 2012 - 05:47pm PT
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As brilliant as he is, Ive always thought Clapton as a guitarist to be somewhat overrated. Now Jimmie Page, on the other hand presented a very honed and fairly diverse approach to the instrument. If there were so many bands like Zeppelin, it would be because so many wanted to copy what they had. Far more depth to their music than was the case for Cream.
Zeppelin hands down.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Social climber
Retired in Appalachia
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May 20, 2012 - 08:07am PT
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Trivia question, what band had:
Ginger Baker
Steve Winwood
Eric Clapton
Rich Grech (sp?)
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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May 20, 2012 - 08:19am PT
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Trivial answer:
Blind Faith
edit: more trivia: did ya know that Stevie Winwood was only 14yo when he joined The Spencer Davis Group. And he was only 17yo when he wrote and performed 'Gimme Some Lovin' & 'I'm A Man' with them...pretty talented dood, eh?
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stunewberry
Trad climber
Spokane, WA
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May 20, 2012 - 08:31am PT
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As usual Ed H. did the necessary 4-dimensional laser calculus analysis and came up with the right answer.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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May 20, 2012 - 08:57am PT
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Forever splitting hairs while losing track of theirs.
But which did come first, chicken or egg.
Yardbirds: Page, Beck, Clapton, not at the same time, as I understand: Beck played first with Clapton, left, with Page coming later. It is dim. Correct me if I'm wrong. I was only 15 or 16 when the YBs put out For Your Love and Heart-ful of Soul.
But why ask the question, if you know your answer? C'mon be real. It's as much a waste of time as climbing and wondering where "she" got to. Boy-oink!
What's next? Goulet-Davis, Jr.?
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Thank you for asking, however. :)
But
"Eric Clapton,
how I love him,
he's got something that I can't resist..."--S. Fabares
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Topic Author's Reply - May 20, 2012 - 11:49am PT
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"...the right answer."
Heh.
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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May 20, 2012 - 11:58am PT
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If i had to pick just one favorite song out of all their songs(both groups put together)i know which one it would be.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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May 20, 2012 - 12:02pm PT
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And then there is the Beatles vs the Monkees.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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May 20, 2012 - 12:13pm PT
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Pulp Fiction vs Reservoir Dogs?
Col. vs Cal.?
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stunewberry
Trad climber
Spokane, WA
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May 20, 2012 - 12:26pm PT
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beatles vs monkees? Now that's trolling.
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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May 20, 2012 - 12:28pm PT
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Piss vs sh#t.
F*#k off vs Suck off.
etc., etc.!
Yet there is still...
"...only one Cream!"
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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May 20, 2012 - 12:31pm PT
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Beatles were a far better band than the Monkees. Now Vanilla Fudge vs. Strawberry Alarm Clock vs. A Clockwork Orange - that's a tuff one to call.
And don't get me started to talking on:
vs.
Wild Things!
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Tadalac
climber
Napa, ca
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May 21, 2012 - 12:45am PT
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I always find myself needing to get the led out...and cant remember the last time i put on cream...
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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May 21, 2012 - 01:27am PT
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zBrown and Ron,
It's par for the course that, in addition to the Partisan Bar on Main St. between L and K, in downtown Merced, the other bastion of the "altered state," our local head shop, sits at the intersection more/less of "Jay" and Main, a block and a half away...
It's name is the Strawberry Alarm Clock, with a painted window clock pointing at 4:20.
Totally normal coincidence. Twice in a week. Business profile: Merced.
First time I ever listened to a Cream LP on TG vacation, '66, at Mathis' house. He had constructed a light show with a cardboard box and a string of Xmas lights, projected light from holes punched in the box. Swabblr and Gobblr.
Shortly after, the original head shop, Middle Earth, opened in EXACTLY THE SAME LOCATION AS THE STRAWBERRY, MAN!!! Then they moved to the mall. The music died with Janis, though. Did someone just say that?
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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May 21, 2012 - 03:02am PT
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Led Balloons anyone?
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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May 21, 2012 - 03:17am PT
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Led Zep has all those cool Tolkien allusions and those spooky masonic undertones. High Voodoo.
Clapton is an old blues Master.
I still say it depends on what kind of mood I am in. And if your talking moods, the List has to be way bigger than two old English farts.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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May 21, 2012 - 09:06am PT
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Page was, inarguably, the most individually successful musician of the 20th century
In a commercial sense. As far as music, two words;
Miles Davis
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Darryl Cramer
Social climber
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May 21, 2012 - 01:07pm PT
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Listen to a Jeff Beck Group boot from the 60s (unfortunately they all seem to be of abysmal quality) and it will be obvious how much they influenced the early LZ sound.
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Tadalac
climber
Napa, ca
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May 21, 2012 - 02:59pm PT
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2 for miles davis jaybro.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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May 21, 2012 - 03:12pm PT
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In 1980 or so, I heard takes for Sir Paul were in the neighbor hood of one hundred million a year, that he was at the time the highest-paid entertainment figure on annual figures.
He's had thirty years to diversify, multiply and conquer new worlds.
Cramer got jokes made about him and Cream his whole life. Dude, I'll just make like a politician, man. Where' my big black car? I wanna go broker some whirled peas.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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May 21, 2012 - 03:31pm PT
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That Merced sounds like a place to visit. Wonder how long it would take to hitch-hike up there. Nothing between L, K and Main in CV, they run parallel. Third north of K was rumoured to be the Wolfman's turf.
according to googily stuff, Sir Paul Mcartney is the richest man in the industry- worth around four billion...
I believe it, but Roger Waters has the biggest show with the "new" Wall.
Also, no [The] Troggs stories?
I can hear my heart sing even now
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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May 21, 2012 - 03:44pm PT
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Waters ain't got nothing on Gilmour. He's arguably the most talented guitar player of all time.
As Riley likes to say, it's as much what he doesn't play as what he does.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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May 21, 2012 - 04:10pm PT
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I don't need a map in Merced. I haven't been lost here since I figured out which direction is north from here. It is a place to visit all right. I like that left hand, zB. Quite a compliment from the CV.
[This is some tangy Sove Blanc I opened. I'm having a Strawberry Monday Alarm Clock. Nice chilly glass, nice freshly-de-bottled white wine, the glass chills it to just under room temp, with a big-ass strawberry slit four times so it soaks in some flavor floating in the glass, stem adding some green. Green and gold and red. Don't care if it's Monday, Tuesday or Friday. If it ends in "y" why not?]
Back on topic, here's why I chose I chose to sing the blues (for Splitter and Cropper in memory of Duck Dunn):
[Click to View YouTube Video]
With good reason,
Eric Clapton had his reasons for becoming a sad old blues master.
Duster Bennett sang solo, a bass drum, a harp-in-a-harness, and guitar. I heard him at CalExpo with Mayall, who introduced him. If Mayall was impressed, so was I, so I bought 12 dbs. On Reconsideration is another good one, if DB interests you.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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May 21, 2012 - 04:42pm PT
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Buncha hacks!
Pigpen lives!
He was dead, now he's great.
This goes to show something about Cream and Led.
They'll mix when they are listened to separately.
It would do us all a favor if we could jam them together, a la the Dead Silver Fish, New Years Eve bash, Fillmore, '66-67. The Midnight Hour jam lasted just about an hour, then we had to sell-out and hear some Butterfield and Little Walter. Angelic, yet Quite Dead in comparison. Walter was really old. Bloomfield (a dispregarded genus, in my opinion) was too energetic for the set. Crabshaw played to follow him, so it was, as I said, "settling" after listening to Melton, Pigpen, Cipollina, and the assorted drummers who took turns hauling the rhythm.
Django R. Baking After Midnight: Sour Cream Apple Pie:
I was posting a video. It did not happen. Apple pie blues. But it's a great-sounding recipe. YT it, c/o Django Rhinehart After Midnight: Sour Cream Apple Pie.
Got munchies?
Bake some and bring them to the Facelift, all you Baker fans! Please! Think like Jake and Elroy, you are on a Mission from God. The Penguin would love a slice. And I hear the LZ fans are just bringing balloons!
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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May 21, 2012 - 04:45pm PT
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Nita, who is an incredibly gracious host, put on some music last night for my all too brief visit with her and Andy,
Cream....
but there was too much going on for me to thank her at the time...
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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May 21, 2012 - 05:36pm PT
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Not just against cream but against anyone it's hard to compare with the mighty zep.
Musicianship
Progression of new music styles and influence of later artists
Body of work
Popularity
Clapton plays cleaner, but Page is so diverse and innovative
Bonham's beats are amazing and so hard to play yet he played with such perfect time
Both started off very derivative but LZ evolved in so many directions
Plants vocals as just way better IMO
If Cream stayed together longer maybe they would compare.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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May 21, 2012 - 05:46pm PT
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Ron, one of the greats, Eric Burdon, wrote his ABio, and YOU SHOULD CHECK IT OUT or buy a used copy--early 2000s--if you want to know about getting screwed. The Animals might be (one postulates) still up there banging with the Stones, had one of their number, one Spence Spencer, not screwed the rest. Had the label of the 45rpm single, //House of the Rising Sun
// had the addition of "arr.by the Animals" things would have been different. (One can only speculate).
And the quiet Stone, Keith Richards, his Life is moused amusing. White boy with a mother fix, who led the Stones to Where They Are Today.
And lest we forget, the purple prose of Zappa in No Commercial Potential, we are denying history.
Everyone should listen to Beatle Bones and Smokin Stones who loves the odd, also. but just the one time.
KYOS was our broadcasting AM station 1480 in Merced. As I grew into my teen years, I found chula vista, but no Capt. Beefheart. Lotta Stones but they were so uptight they proscribed the words "stoned partner" as in that man's my stoned partner. Merced's not just feudal, they are beyond that in our county. But I listened, loving the music, missing over half the lyrics.
Here is Merced's best contribution to rock.
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Lee is older than I am old. His organ...His bidness.
He's akshully from Atw#ter and that's where the videos took you. Nice Chev. You knew Glen Denny is from Merced County. He's our Arch-Rocker.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Topic Author's Reply - May 21, 2012 - 05:51pm PT
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I dunno, I find Ginger Baker's playing to be much more sophisticated and nuanced...Bonham had unmatchable, astounding power, but his rhythms were fairly standard stuff.
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tornado
climber
lawrence kansas
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May 21, 2012 - 05:55pm PT
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Bonham had FEEL.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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May 21, 2012 - 06:25pm PT
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Debouchery? You should watch out for BooDawg...he's the deboo..
I refuse to spell it out. He's the Baark Side. The era of Bat Poon!
You could get us in trouble.
Try Youtube at "Keith Richards comment Charlie Watts" and some Baker and Bonham fans might agree. For one time.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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May 21, 2012 - 06:49pm PT
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It pleases me to present the next part of the program presented by The Family Dog at the Avalon in order of appearance. Lee Michaels followed by Blur Chee.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
The next act was the Berleleyan Fish.
Barry Melton, guitar. Joe MacDonald, the Main Guy of the group, took his appellation from "Country Joe" Stalin.
Tube it...f4WeqP2G6pl
aka Sweet Martha Lorraine.
Red Star for me.
What? This is OT as heck but fun.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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May 21, 2012 - 07:26pm PT
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I can't say for certain, but it has been rumored that Blue Cheer played the loudest of any band in history. I met the Martha Lorraine gal, how sweet she was. Wound up spending all of my time trying to memorize every line.
I don't think topics are in Vogue any longer. They tend to impede getting off.
Wolfman watched Butch Cassidy here. Sundance festival has long shunned it as a venue.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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May 21, 2012 - 07:32pm PT
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LOUD? CAN'T HEAR YOU! MY HISTORY CHANNEL IS ONE-THIRD OF THEIR VOLUME ON 100%! They were reported to have a female in their group, the bass, I think.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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May 21, 2012 - 07:42pm PT
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God, what a relief!
Frodo lives!
Ice the cake.
The Joy of Cooking's Bad Luck Blues.
No Joy in video-land.
Worthy-girls rock!
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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May 21, 2012 - 07:51pm PT
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Good morning little school girls(s)
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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May 21, 2012 - 08:08pm PT
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By the Cedar Lodge Handymen.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
There's a Rambler Drive in Merced, Gateway to Midnight Cruising in the Gorge of the River (not the River Charles, but the Mr. Said).
You can say I told ya.
Yeah, I was at Altamont, too.
Years after the Chowchilla kidnap.
It's not Altamont but "How About that Charlie?" (from the live tape Get Yer Ya-Yas Out),
Drumset, Drumrise, Drumset, Drumrise.
Is this the little girl I carried?
Is this the little boy at play?
I don't remember growing older.
When did they?
As young rocker/mockers, we happened on a L'Oreal poster as we stopped our cruising to pee in a parking lot.
We saw L'Oreal's poster in a drogstore, and Sweet Martha Lorraine was playin' on the radio, then did her clam-shell routine for us as we peed away our beer. She was transmogrified to "Sweet Lorelle." The Flames' Mama of All Time.
Talk about made-up names!
The I Ching?
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go-B
climber
Habakkuk 3:19 Sozo
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May 21, 2012 - 08:51pm PT
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Yep Zep! But love Cream, Blind Faith, and Derek and the Dominos!
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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May 21, 2012 - 09:05pm PT
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no contest.
cool thread
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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May 21, 2012 - 09:31pm PT
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Clapton's Mojo vs. Page's Mojo: Define Mojo. I believe it has to do with watermelons.
De Flames had Jimmy Smith cold in the 8-track days. The Hammond B-3 organ is replaced by the B-3 heli!
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Finally! An extra roogalater. Jist what every black president needs in his cabinet.
We need roogalating.
Like mojo needs mo' Jo.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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May 21, 2012 - 10:14pm PT
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We Flames bow down
zBrown is the r-kive klown. The ackshul old-school Flamin' Groovies! A treat from heads to toes.
Gimme a hotfoot!
Beat those toes!
Show 'em who knows!
The focknroll groupies and the rocknroll kids from Merced like it!
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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May 21, 2012 - 10:38pm PT
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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May 21, 2012 - 11:50pm PT
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The Dead were the 'Wariocks,' in history.
I remember coming back to reality in the St. Mary's infirmary from a flu...and listening to the Grateful Dead, on AM radio, who had copped number one on the charts. I'd helped provide a light show and I'd known them as the Warlocks. It's nothing.
They may be Dead, but they are still Warlocks to me.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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May 22, 2012 - 12:41am PT
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If you see my little red piton , please drive him home.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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May 23, 2012 - 12:43am PT
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Hell's Angels Berdoo vs Oakland
Tiny the Tramp vs Sonny Barger
Altamont vs Woodstock
The Magnificent Seven vs High Noon
The Magnificent Seven vs Seven Samurai
Dr. Strangelove vs A Clockwork Orange
Paper vs Plastic
Kramer vs Kramer
Row vs Wade
Jeffrey Lionel Dahmer vs Ted Bundy
Starkweather & Fugate vs Lennon & McCartney
East vs West
Good vs Evil
You don't have to answer them all at once, but times a wastin'.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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May 23, 2012 - 12:55am PT
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There has never been a high school band who didn't strut through "Stairway"
ever!!
They all Know,
Though,
even in those testosterone years,
better than to Assume,
to be worthy of attempting
White Room!
Case closed
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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May 23, 2012 - 02:06am PT
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The Warbler--I am catching up on this thread, been off my rocker a while. I am listening to the QMS--Mona. The boys in that band, two, Elmore and Duncan, were in the local Merced group, The Brogues. There is a site called mercedmusic.
I think there's something here in the water or the ahcid, which effects one with the desire to listen to crap like BeeFart & Zeperella.
There's a Toutube of Zeperella doing her thing, did not care for the lameness of her tribute. Her heart's pure, I'm sure.
It's haard imagining her doing Bad Sign!
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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May 23, 2012 - 05:50am PT
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Oh Kevin you're gonna love this. The Dinosaures were touring in '83. Played a massive venue in Portland, then a massive venue in Seattle four days later. OK, three days to kill. They wound up knocking out a just-for-fun gig at the 4th Ave Tav in Olympia. Little hole-in-the-wall bar that maxed out out 250 people. F*#king tiny little bar.
So the place is so small, there are no stage risers. I maen, there was no stage, just a corner where the folks tucked into. You're eye-to-eye with the band. Just like that.
So I'm high as a kite on...whatever, and I'm literally 4' from John Cipplolina, and his eyes are like these inky black slits from so much junk and he's having the time of his life. I mean, you could see it was just pure fun for him. He was not even plugged into the soundboard...just a couple of marshalls. Still trying to figure out how that one got pulled off. He was totally Guerilla. Barry Melton was prowling the stage, such as it was, screaming "storm coming! get off the towers! Robert Hunter was like a stage prop, stumming an acoustic and smoking fugs with a big cigarette holder, a wannabe-hunter s. thompson flip-flop genius. Goddamn what a night.
I still have the flyer. We (the town of Olympia) got about a days notice. Dayum Definately in my top ten shows list.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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May 23, 2012 - 08:44am PT
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Guys, gals, whoever. In 1968 I thumbed to Seattle to visit the Hoad. When on the road to the Hoad, I was dropped in Olympia, found the way out was really hard, but did it.
The gent from there who picked me up is long gone, surely, but he was cool enough he dropped me at Hoad's door, saying Seattle was huge. His heart was sure huge. What is it about Olympia, I wonder?
Maybe I had some terrific White boy luck. It took me 18 hrs. Merced to Seattle. Yreka to Oly helped big time.
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White boy blues. Blue boy whites.
who's got some whites? Red Bull just won't do.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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May 23, 2012 - 09:37am PT
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Since it's all about Cream and Zepp and white boy blues, I can't resist the distaff side. She's just too good to not play this. Enjoy.
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I listened to Heroine by this Coppertone. Weej, check it out. The words are not adequate so I have to go with punctuation.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! liked it.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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May 23, 2012 - 10:55pm PT
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Of course I never thought it was so hot, it's just the Copperheads.
Climbing related, you betcha.
The campus at Berkeley is full of classic buildering, but the long-time favorite OW at the old Cal stadium' south end was the bomb.
A classic lak the s-s-song heyah:
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John Lee Hooker
vs.
John Wesley Hardin
Both Tex.
A six string
vs.
A six gun.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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May 24, 2012 - 12:16am PT
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@bvb - I sure hope you're gonna post up some photos (video?) to go along with that trip report. Whooeee!
yeah Dr. Mouse, but who was a friend to the poor?
Tracking back, talking back, apologies to the Talking Heads, but:
"say nothing once, why say it again"
THE BAND (take all the talent vectors in the various bands mentioned, add them together, multiply by one) The answer is THE BAND
And WTF - THE WHO doesn't even get a mention?
Stop sending American jobs to Argentina and Nepal, wear Da Brim proudly and support Da USA.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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May 24, 2012 - 12:27am PT
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removed by popular demand
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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May 24, 2012 - 07:32am PT
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Going to take you down
vs.
Gonna take ya higher.
One at a time, dude and post 'em on tuesdays with *r.
We need Da Points.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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May 24, 2012 - 09:28am PT
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Tales of Purple Acid
to Tales of Brave Ulysses
! was reading through the lyrics
when ! came across the passage
of tiny purple fishes
running ha-ha through your fingers
Then Eric Clapton came to me
and in my ear he whispered
my naked fingers torture fish
of any size or color
I catch them and I caress them
though I hurt them in the process
'neath the bridge of sighs
the strings of my guitar gently
ramble on!
http://hippietim.blogspot.com
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MikeL
climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
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May 24, 2012 - 10:44am PT
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My vote goes to Derek and the Dominoes.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Dec 30, 2013 - 03:12am PT
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Cream / Separator
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGlfVg01dVc
Led Zeppelin filled the Void (but not the Long Ago Void).
[Click to View YouTube Video]Strange Brew was a quondam name of a route on an overhang in Tuolumne on Stately Homes Dome.
Roger Breedlove, the Bircheffs, and yours truly.
"One of the least effective four-man teams ever."--MFM
The name did not stick.
"Veddy HARD Severe."--Chuck Choker, a bloke what knows
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Dec 30, 2013 - 11:02am PT
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There's a great documentry called Beware of Mr. Baker, a must watch for Cream fans. Listen to what is said in the video about Zepplin vs Cream. NO ONE comes close to Ginger Baker with regards to percussions and innovatons with rhythm. The movie focus's on Gingers time studying percussion in Africa. They are both great bands, but the combination of Baker, Clapton and Bruce was magical the short time it lasted.
Peace
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Dec 30, 2013 - 11:13am PT
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Trying to compare bands like Cream and Led Zep is like asking what is the best ice cream flavor. It's personal man... No one can be "right."
That said, think of it this way: What band would you choose to see in concert in their heyday, Cream or LZ?
Back in high school I had a buddy whose dad got him FRC (front row, center) seats at the Garden in NY for LZ. Boy, was I envious! I asked him how it went, he basically said it was too loud, too much. Ha!
For me, If I got to see one old show, it would have been The Who, Live at Leeds, no questions.
Have there been any bands since Cream and Zeppelin, and a dozen or so more from that era for that matter, that come even close in musical skill, variety of compositions, and general soul laden badassedness?
I was lucky enough to see Tool a couple of years ago. They completely blew my mind. If you get any chance to catch that band, pay whatever it takes, one of the best shows in my life, and I've seen a bunch of good ones (just not the Who at Leeds ;-).
As for CvLZ... Well, Clapton is god, but Page putting a bow to his Les Paul, the devil man, the devil.
On, BTW, it's Cheery Garcia,
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Dec 30, 2013 - 11:25am PT
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Both were great, but only one had God in the lineup...
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Dec 30, 2013 - 12:41pm PT
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and none of them were instrumental virtuosos, as was Page
Page a virtuoso? Are you kidding? That guy was sloppy as hell. He was OK in the studio when all his flubs could be edited out, live he was awful. Couldn't hold a candle to FZ.
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Of course, if you are talking guitar virtuosos, you can stop right here:[Click to View YouTube Video]
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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Dec 30, 2013 - 02:51pm PT
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It doesn't matter. Both were great and highly influential. All this talk of Clapton or Page etc being among the best guitar players of all time or Ginger Baker being the best drummer is plain wrong. They are good players but many jazz musicians are much better. For example Tony Williams could destroy Bonham or Baker with 1 hand tied around his back.
Miles Davis had much more going for him musically than Zep or Cream put together plus being a bigger influence on 20 C music. Huge record sales do not mean musical accomplishment.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Dec 30, 2013 - 02:56pm PT
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Loved 'em both forever. So many great songs. Always dug Clapton.
For over all output and impact, I still gotta vote Zeppelin.
*Jimmy Page, a giant riff MACHINE, original, album after album.
*Plant is the better vocalist.
*Bonham was the pounder, but can't beat Ginger for pure technique.
*Jones for killer keyboard and Bass? He had no equal in Cream. Jack Bruce was great but Jones was the more skilled journeyman, all around dude.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Dec 30, 2013 - 04:11pm PT
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This question cannot be serious. Clapton is still going strong and the stuff he has been doing with Winwood is awe-inspiring. But Zep's creative output is 10fold beyond Clapton, and it's not too much of a stretch to suggest Zep created a paradigm shift.
Not saying one is better than the other -- Clapton and Zep are both on my desert island list -- but in terms of the effect of Zepplin on artists to come is beyond comprehension.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 30, 2013 - 05:01pm PT
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Donnie and Marie
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mynameismud
climber
backseat
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Dec 30, 2013 - 06:44pm PT
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SRV
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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F*#k Donnie. F*#k Marie.[Click to View YouTube Video]
Pressed Rat and Warthog have closed down their shop.
They didn't want to, 'twas all they had got.
Selling atonal apples, amplified heat,
And Pressed Rat's collection of dog legs and feet.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Highly subjective... to me: Led Zep - no doubt ... ever...
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BrassNuts
Trad climber
Save your a_s, reach for the brass...
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Zep for me. I saw them perform at Madison Square Garden in 1977, best show I ever saw!
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Cream paved the way but LZs body of work is flat out amazing.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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^^^
To me, there's no comparison. Zep all the way. Head and shoulders above just about every other band (other than the Beatles and Stones), let alone Cream. Don't get me wrong. I like Cream too, but come on...
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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I don't know much about music, but I know what I like, and I like Zep.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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I gotta whole lotta love for Zep! Saw them on their first tour here. Whoa!
Not often that The Doors were not the headliners but as soon as Jimmy launched there was no doubt about it!
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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I'm deliberating on this right now. I have read the thread and see merit in either position.
at the moment I'm leaning toward Cream, because they could almost swing (see Badge). But it's probably Zep.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Bluesbreakers
Not Steppenwolf
Steppin' Out
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"The day may come, if you're a young rocker, when you'll hear one of Clapton's mellow, contemporary ballads on the radio and think, "What's the big deal?" Put on "Steppin' Out." And bow down." - Steven Van Zandt
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ecdh
climber
the east
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zepplin, simply a better band. what you hear is a level of synthesis rarely seen.
cream were 3 good musicians playing together, but lacked the cohesive vortex to really make it fly. its the sound of 3 guys loathing each other, which is part of their charm but didnt develop into anything. blind faith were a much better band.
pages playing has infinite depth and space for the others to punch thru with too, whilst clapton i personally find is a great guitar player but a characterless musician. reminds me of those brilliant japanese 5 year olds who can hammer out Rachmaninoff but lack the depth to make it interesting.
cream should have made another 2 albums, but zepplin should have stopped 2 short. better to burn out than fade away yadda yadda.
cream make me think of smoking hashish, zepplin make me think of smuggling it.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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gee, it had not occurred to me that Cream's hatred for each other never did develop into anything
or is it that Cream the band never did develop into anything?
you should be a rock journalist, such good analysis!
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7SacredPools
Trad climber
Ontario, Canada
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Why can't we just love them both?
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ecdh
climber
the east
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cream produced a bunch of great acid pop songs and noodling jams with some nice filler then fell apart. not a whole lot of diversity in there as they didnt do enough for long enough. would have been the same if zepplin broke up after 2 albums. cant go anywhere if youre not together can you?
rock journalism no thinks. ill stick with a real job.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2019 - 07:55pm PT
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ecdh, I like your analysis.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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I dunno... I really liked the the Monkees show...
The Monkees TV show was heads and shoulders above the Beatle's TV show.
For example;
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
Feb 3, 2019 - 06:50pm PT
gee, it had not occurred to me that Cream's hatred for each other never did develop into anything
or is it that Cream the band never did develop into anything?
you should be a rock journalist, such good analysis!
Lucky for you, smarter folks are willing to share their insights.
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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I think Zep wrote better songs where as Cream's thing was live improvisation.
Zep had better vocals too.
British blues based but the similarity ends there.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Wow, Tim Buckley on the Monkees TV show??
Thread drift while I indulge myself... Buckley here had an interesting folk/jazz ensemble of 12 string guitar, upright bass, electric guitar and vibes.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
For the topic...
Cream: Better musicians.
Led Zepplin: Better music.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Both excellent. Would have been even better without drugs.
Without drugs it's possible both bands would be going full on today with even better stuff than the fantastic stuff they did deliver.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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No question - Led Zep. Two albums does not a legacy make.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Why can't we just love them both?
Because zep simply bites. Unless you’re a frat rat type.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 4, 2019 - 11:36am PT
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This thread is hilarious....
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7SacredPools
Trad climber
Ontario, Canada
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Because zep simply bites. Unless you’re a frat rat type.
Ouch!
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Cream not even in the same league. kashmire is otherworldly. I love all the references to Tolkien. One of the times I read the trilogy was listening to Physical Graffiti. I still think of the Lord Of The Rings when I hear that music.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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No contest! He couldn’t get up Cream even with g sharp and body armor.
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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So who were the best musicians?
I would say Ginger Baker was up there because of his jazz work and African work.
Yet Bonham was a better rock n roll drummer.
Page is probably a better guitarist because he is very versatile.
Plant has a place near Joshua Tree so maybe he has the best taste.
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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"Beck blew them both away."
Not surprised as he one the best guitar players from the UK. Head and shoulders above Jimmy and Eric.
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