Castle Rock Guides staking "claims" with a top rope

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TrundleBum

Trad climber
Las Vegas
Aug 8, 2011 - 01:23pm PT

This thread reminds me of a day with Cosmic out at Calico Basin in Red Rock.
There was a school group of at least a dozen students headed up to monopolize the Gnat Man crag. Cosmic followed in hot pursuit bellowing:
"Lead trumps top rope, LEAD TRUMPS TOP ROPE!"
zeker

Trad climber
bishop
Sep 10, 2011 - 12:18am PT
Shitguy is accusing Boy Scouts of America members of child molestation in his last post. What the F---? Most of the BSA guys are just good dads trying to help a sons troop (they may not be the best climbers or "instructors") but I am 100% confident most have the best of intentions. Now shitguys intentions are just another subject altogether. How about the last time Shiitguy tied up a child to a tree at Castle Rock State Park so the kid would not bug him and shitguy could go bouldering? Who's the real criminal here?
ruppell

climber
Sep 10, 2011 - 12:48am PT
How about the last time Shiitguy tied up a child to a tree at Castle Rock State Park so the kid would not bug him and shitguy could go bouldering? Who's the real criminal here?

First off I realy hope that's a joke. Seems like you have a lot of sh#t to say about what shitguy did. He dropped some biners attached to a rope. I hardly think those actions are criminal. Stupid, maybe. You were accused of being the person(or in charge of the persons) who left the rig set up. I can see how you would want to defend yourself against that. As the president of a guiding service it would be your right to do so. It would also be your right to let things lie. Yet you saw the great idea to resurect a post from over a month ago? Sounds like this might be a personal issue at this point? If you know who shitguy is just send him an email. Or find his number and call him. I'm sure you two will be able to work it out. And for what it's worth I would've just climbed on those lines(after making sure the anchor was good).
mikebarter387

Social climber
Banff, Alberta
Sep 10, 2011 - 02:47pm PT
I have been a guide for 20+ years and I agree with what you did. Guides or guide companies sometimes forget that the area is to be shared, the public are the real owners and users.
The one poster is right about confronting the guides with the series of questions. The are not obligated to answer of course but most are trying to stay on the good side of land managers and the public.
Clients would be put in a awkward situation if you point out that their course is taking away from somebody else's experience. If the company in question is owner operator of they are just employees changes little. I would expect owner to know better but not always. Guides can be a arragant bunch I should know I am guilty of all these crimes at some point

http://youtube.com/mikebarter387
zeker

Trad climber
bishop
Sep 10, 2011 - 11:41pm PT
I don't check super topo everyday or week like many of you do, so it was a about a month ago, last time I went to the forum, so I'm just responding to sh#t guys post in my time. I did send him a message, he wont respond because he is a "shitguy" and no I'm not kidding about the kid to tree thing. Shitguy is just as his self proclaimed name proclaims.
apogee

climber
Sep 10, 2011 - 11:44pm PT
Zeke, 'shitguy' was unquestionably a troll with some other agenda in mind. Apparently, he seems to have succeeded.
zeker

Trad climber
bishop
Sep 10, 2011 - 11:47pm PT
mikebarter,
not my ropes, was not in that park on that day, I live 7 hours away from there and rarely personally climb @ or work in castle rock. As I mentioned clearly in prior post, I know the guy who got his rig dropped, he's a nice guy, reasonable and respectable guy. Did not deserve that treatment. And yes, I agree with you, just climb on the rig or move it over, again shitguy is shitguy, my last post on the matter. Unless Shitguy wants to get back on here, might take me another month to respond, forgive me for not checking ST every 24 hours!
zeker

Trad climber
bishop
Sep 10, 2011 - 11:49pm PT
John/Apogee,
Shitguy was no troll, hes for real, I talked to the guy whos stuff he dropped. Shitguy from santa cruz has been hanging around castle rock for years acting like a shitguy
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Sep 10, 2011 - 11:51pm PT
Zeker, dropping gear is uncool, but so is tying up a crag while someone is shitting or is lame.


I woulda just clipped bolts and told ya we were sharing anchors.
zeker

Trad climber
bishop
Sep 10, 2011 - 11:53pm PT
Bluering,
Agreed on all points/comments you just made
zeker

Trad climber
bishop
Sep 10, 2011 - 11:54pm PT
Goodnight guys, chat with ya in a month or so. FYI I only get on this forum when somebody I know calls or emails me about a post they think I might like or have interest in.
zeker

Trad climber
bishop
Sep 10, 2011 - 11:57pm PT
and Mike, I love your you tube page/site, super cool, glad you are such a success! Congrats!
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Sep 11, 2011 - 12:06am PT
See ya at the crag, zeker!!!!

Although, I rarely do Goat...too many people...hehe!
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