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KRS-Grun

Trad climber
Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 3, 2015 - 08:28am PT
I haven't heard what happened yet but here is the link to the Newspaper article in Spanish. [url="http://www.elnorte.com/aplicacioneslibre/preacceso/articulo/default.aspx?rval=1&id=431157&urlredirect=rval=1&id=431157&urlredirect=http://www.elnorte.com/aplicaciones/articulo/default.aspx?id=431157[/url" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.elnorte.com/aplicaciones/articulo/default.aspx?id=431157"]http://www.elnorte.com/aplicacioneslibre/preacceso/articulo/default.aspx?__rval=1&id=431157&urlredirect=http://www.elnorte.com/aplicaciones/articulo/default.aspx?id=431157[/url]
chill

climber
between the flat part and the blue wobbly thing
Jan 3, 2015 - 08:43am PT
A german alpinist suffered a fall of several meters in Potrero Chico and died.
10b4me

climber
Jan 3, 2015 - 08:43am PT
Looks like a German climber was killed in a fall. Weather was hampering the retrieval of the body.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jan 3, 2015 - 08:59am PT
Magic Ed may have details.

I've sent him a PM and hope it gets through.
dagibbs

Trad climber
Ottawa, Ontario
Jan 3, 2015 - 09:34am PT
Ed was in the hospital when I left EPC on December 26th -- don't know if he is out yet, so there may be a delay hearing from him.
MisterE

Gym climber
Bishop, CA
Jan 3, 2015 - 01:53pm PT
Translation:

A German climber lost his life after he was climbing in the municipality of Hidalgo.

Civil Protection Department said the accident report was received last night at 21:00 .

But weather conditions , explained a source , the rescue will take place in the course of the morning .

Although it was reported yesterday that the nationality of the mountaineer was American , today confirmed that it is in Germany.

This morning only said that the climber suffered a fall of several meters that caused his death on the Potrero Chico community in the Pico del Tordo place .
Manny

Social climber
tempe
Jan 3, 2015 - 04:05pm PT
A friend in EPC posted on FB that the climber died on Time Wave Zero. Not El Toro.
MisterE

Gym climber
Bishop, CA
Jan 3, 2015 - 04:53pm PT
Meh. "Several meters" doesn't tell us much...

Here's a topo of the climb:


Edited: vv Thanks Ruppell, didn't do that one...
ruppell

climber
Jan 3, 2015 - 05:24pm PT
Getting off timewave as super straight forward Mister E. You either rap it or walk off. Most choose to rap. A recovery off of it might be a little more problematic depending om how far up the climb the body is.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 3, 2015 - 05:31pm PT
Well, you can fall 'several' meters and hit your head.
KRS-Grun

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 4, 2015 - 08:03am PT

Here is a rough Google translation from El Horizante. It sounds like a rappelling accident. No knot on the end of the rope and rappelling off the end.

El Horizonte - Authorities in the municipality of Hidalgo, Nuevo Leon, as well as elements of civil protection of the state confirmed the death of a climber of German origin who was practicing rappelling at the peak known as El Toro, in the community of Potrero Chico.

Although they have not released the deceased general, it is known that the report was conducted from late Friday by fellow tour of French origin.

But the weather and dense fog covering the peaks of this community have prevented the authorities from reaching where the body.

It is presumed that the deceased man was already in decline when his rope rappel was completed, by not making a knot of protection, the climber fell from near the top of the peak and died.

In place already elements of the prosecution, Hidalgo and municipal police are awaiting the arrival of the helicopter civil protection the state to rescue the body and then is transferred to large university hospital.

This site is normally attended by dozens of foreigners who practice rappelling these peaks of over 300 meters.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Jan 4, 2015 - 08:14am PT
Sad thing....

RIP fellow climber.
KRS-Grun

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 4, 2015 - 08:21am PT
I hope I am not spreading rumors but I just heard of another climber passing away rappelling on Estrellita. It's been a bad week in Potrero. I will update when I know more.
WallMan

Trad climber
Denver, CO
Jan 4, 2015 - 08:56am PT
Returned from EPC this morning. This is what was communicated as I understood it:

Two very strong climbers, a German and a French, climbed Time Wave Zero on Friday January 2nd, simul climbing much of the route. At one of the first rappels, the German climber rappelled off the end of the rope, taking the rope with him, falling about 11 pitches, and landed near the third class bivy ledge about half way up the route. The rope may have been an 80 meter rope that was previously cut, therefore middle mark may not have been the middle of the rope. The rope belonged to the German. There were no knots in the rope. There was a party following this team, one of which may have been slightly injured by the falling German. The following party continued on to pick up the stranded Frenchman.

All info related above is third hand information.

The justification for not tying knots in the end of rappel ropes doesn't make sense to me. Knots rarely get hung up with careful rope management and typically are easy to undo if they become stuck.

News of an accident on Estrellita did not reach Posada's by noon on Saturday (yesterday).

The German fatality weighed heavily on the minds of many of us at EPC. Rest in peace fallen comrade.

Wally
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 4, 2015 - 09:00am PT
falling about 11 pitches,


Yes, that would be several meters....

R.I.P. fellow climber.
cat t.

Sport climber
CA
Jan 4, 2015 - 03:54pm PT
Another couple mentions of a second fatality on Instagram posts (an odd news source I realize)

http://instagram.com/p/xcnWtSlOiy/?modal=true

Caption from the post:
This weekend, while Richard and I were #climbing on this spire, and the guys were on the opposing big wall, an experienced German climber in between us had just finished 24 pitches of intense climbing and was setting up to rappel down on his initial descent. For reasons unknown, he did not have knots tied into the ends of his rope, and so he rappelled off the end of his rope. He hit another climber leading on pitch 19 below him, landed somewhere on a ledge on the wall, and was not found that evening. Richard talked to the climber that was hit by the falling man, and though he was shaken and in disbelief, he was uninjured. Our guys were just getting off the wall that night when police, ambulances, and other climbers were trying to figure out what to do. There was talk about rallying a group of experienced climbers to search and recover (because there is no search and rescue/recovery in #PotreroChico) The following day a chopper flew in to recover the German man's body. To everyone's disbelief, soon after the chopper arrived, a second young climber from Arkansas took a similar fall. Though a group of climbers rushed in to offer medical aid, he lost his life as well. We ask everyone to take a moment and pray for the families and friends of these two. It has left a heavy sorrowful pain on our group as we head out in disbelief. We encourage all #climbers to never hesitate to check and recheck you and your partners gear at every opportunity, and always knot the ends of your ropes. Words cannot explain the amount of love prayers and condolences we extend towards the families of their beloved adventurers.

and here
http://instagram.com/p/xcPFRHjnlI/?modal=true

Seeing the bird while you're #climbing is never a good thing. While this was a body recovery mission, we had no f*#king clue what horrible, life-changing events lay just a few hours ahead. While rappelling off Estrellita in #elpotrerochico, #mexico, a member of the party directly below us fell about 300 feet from the top of the third rappel. We called an ambulance from where we were on the fourth rappel and knew there was little to do at that point but get ourselves down safely. Fellow climbers with medical training rushed up and tried everything, but the young climber from Arkansas was gone. Several dozen more climbers came up to assist with body recovery, only to be hassled for hours afterward by the Mexican authorities for moving the body. No one can believe two climbers died in two days in separate but similar rappel accidents here, a place where there are only two deaths since it has been developed.

So, so incredibly sorry to hear this. RIP.
Epcclimber

Big Wall climber
Cincinnati, ohio
Jan 4, 2015 - 06:06pm PT
I was the climber who was struck by the falling climber on pitch 19, I, as well as the others on the route that day are uninjured. My heart goes out to the friends, partner, and family of the fallen climber. All information posted above is consistent with what his partner believes happened. There was no other witnesses as the other party was on the other side of the summit and the rest of us (two other parties) were well below on pitch 19 and 20. No further speculation is necessary.
Thank you.
Port

Trad climber
Norwalk, CT
Jan 4, 2015 - 06:13pm PT
F*#k. I can't imagine going through that. I hope you're alright brother.
Joe

Social climber
Santa Cruz
Jan 4, 2015 - 08:22pm PT
Sad, but true. Two deaths in less than 24 hours. Word is in both accidents the deceased rappelled off the end of their ropes. Ten cuidado amigos.
altieboo

Social climber
Das Blase
Jan 5, 2015 - 12:16am PT
Just returned from EPC tonight. My girlfriend and I were rappelling Estrellita when the second fatality happened. She is the poster of the photo of the helicopter with the caption describing the second incident. We are still having a very, very hard time proccesing all of this and can't even imagine what the friends and family of the fallen climber are going through. A group of climbers with various levels of medical training (none MD's) we are on scene very quickly and we did what we could but in this situation that is not much. Other then the climbers partner and two friends who were rapping above, my GF and I were roughly second and third on scene. Please keep all speculations to a minimum out of respect for the climber and his family as we are still trying to figure out what happened, all though, we may never know. It was an extremely crazy night and I feel like it really hasn't ended.

May these two beautiful souls RIP.
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