Rancher +Militia vs BLM,trouble on the range.(OT)

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Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:25pm PT
I've seen post after post on this forum, decrying the LEOs as "Jackbooted Thugs." Maybe because the rancher isn't "politically correct" by libtard standards, the LEOs are "doing the right thing?" I suspect the rancher is going to get fined here, since grazing fees (exceptionally low!) have been charged, but it could be in a historical perspective, no fees had been charged in the long term past. That sort of grazing sure as schitt isn't worth much. I'm going to guess that 50 acres constitutes an AUM (animal unit), if not more. That's the number of acres annually needed to feed one animal. By grazing the land, seed distribution is helped along, and a certain amount of natural fertilizer spread around (cow manure). I'm going to hazard a guess but the BLM probably wants $2.00/cow per month for that land, which even though it sounds cheap, ISN'T for what's there. The BLM has already spent a lot more than the grazing is worth to "enforce" their diktat.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:31pm PT
I would happily pay $1.35 per month (the current rate per cow) for unlimited food, water, lodging and access on federal land.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:38pm PT
There are absolutely NO access fees what so ever on any BLM land. NONE.

Wow! You ever hear of Red Rocks Nevada? You know, you wouldn't seem like such a stupid as#@&%e if you revealed your complete lack of understanding with a bit less authority.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:43pm PT
Those that

Trespass against the vert

must die.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_forest
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:43pm PT
The portion that requires an entry fee is a designated NEVADA STATE PARK.

Wow chuff, you never shy away from showing your ignorance, do you?

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. The thing that gets me is... YOU HAVE A FUKING COMPUTER IN FRONT OF YOU, YET STILL SAY STUPID SH#T THAT IS 100% WRONG. Have you ever used google?
Salamanizer

Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:45pm PT
That NYT article is full of inaccuracies as usual.

From what I've gained, the rancher is perfectly willing to pay any taxes or fees to the "proper" authority entitled to them. The federal government has refused to allow the collection of any fees or taxes. I'm not sure why, but it has something to do with a b.s. excuse that there is some endangered turtle on the land that his cattle threaten. Meanwhile the feds pay to exterminate thousands of these "endangered" turtles because they can't contain the huge overpopulated number of them or something like that.

What I do know is the land in question isn't owned by the federal government, it's owned by the state, and the state isn't trying nor has ever tried to collect any fee or tax from the rancher who's been on that land since 1877, with the turtles mind you. The federal government won't allow nor is asking for any "fee" to be paid. Contrary to what the NYT article is stating. They just want the rancher off his land so they can seize control of it over the rightful owner (the state of Nevada) in what is no less than a power grab.

The Militias are what appears to be mostly a fabrication by the media. Yes there are people who are armed, but this is a bunch of ranchers in rural Nevada. I'm pretty sure they're always armed.

Looks like nothing more than another control grab by the feds over peoples rights to me. I can't blame the ranchers for being pissed off. I hope they stand their ground and send the feds back to Washington empty handed where they belong.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:47pm PT
The rancher has been over-grazing the desert for over 100 years. This Las Vegas Review Journal photo shows the great grazing conditions the rancher has created.


What is strange here-------- is all the right-wingers rushing to defend a law-breaking tax-cheat that has destroyed his own ecosystem.

I must suppose those are also their values?
John M

climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:50pm PT
Does anyone know if all of Bundy's grazing rights were taken away, or just some? And how much. I can only find a story that says his grazing rights were modified and that he stopped paying all fees in 1993.

It would be nice to see the facts of the case. The number of inflammatory articles on the web is disheartening.

statements like.. the government showed up with no warning. It is clear that they warned this guy for many years. So that is nonsense. Even his own website has stories about the impending confiscation.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:54pm PT
Yeah, the federal government is so desperate for land it is making illegal grabs of useless desert.
Todd Townsend

Social climber
Bishop, CA
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:55pm PT
Does anyone know if all of Bundy's grazing rights were taken away, or just some? And how much. I can only find a story that says his grazing rights were modified and that he stopped paying all fees in 1993.

It would be nice to see the facts of the case. The number of inflammatory articles on the web is disheartening.

Here you go.

https://www.hcn.org/blogs/goat/in-nevada-delicate-20-year-standoff-with-blm-ends-in-a-tense-roundup
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:56pm PT
All over a fuking tortoise...
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:57pm PT
Wow, wrong again there Ricki. Red Rocks has been BLM land for a long time.
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:58pm PT
Chief-Isn't that dude on the right Geronimo? ^^^^^^
Salamanizer

Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:58pm PT
It would be nice to see the facts of the case. The number of inflammatory articles on the web is disheartening.

That deserves repeating.



I'm with you, I'll wait for the facts.
dit

Mountain climber
eastside
Apr 11, 2014 - 09:00pm PT
Hmmm, interesting. No access fees on ANY BLM land: Paria River- $5 per person $5 per dog per DAY! Coyote Buttes, same (or at least it was back in the day.) Fishing licenses are not required on ALL federal land, many national parks (including Mt Rainier) do not require such.

This guy is a flipped out anarchist that has been in contempt of court orders for almost 20 years. Want some facts. Read this.https://www.hcn.org/blogs/goat/in-nevada-delicate-20-year-standoff-with-blm-ends-in-a-tense-roundup

John M

climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 09:01pm PT
Salamanizer.. can you back up your statements?

From what I've gained, the rancher is perfectly willing to pay any taxes or fees to the "proper" authority entitled to them. The federal government has refused to allow the collection of any fees or taxes. I'm not sure why, but it has something to do with a b.s. excuse that there is some endangered turtle on the land that his cattle threaten. Meanwhile the feds pay to exterminate thousands of these "endangered" turtles because they can't contain the huge overpopulated number of them or something like that.

And..

What I do know is the land in question isn't owned by the federal government, it's owned by the state

Because this goes against everything that I have read.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Apr 11, 2014 - 09:05pm PT
Yeah, the federal government is engaged in hunting down turtles and killing them. Sometimes it is embarrassing to be involved with this forum!
Bargainhunter

climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 09:05pm PT
The lessons from Ruby Ridge and Waco, TX should be learned by the feds. In both circumstances, overzealous and aggressive law enforcement further inflamed the antigovernment sentiment of these groups and lead to completely unnecessary bloodshed over serving warrants. If just a single local sheriff had showed up wearing shorts and flip flops, and shirtless to show that he was clearly not carrying a weapon nor showing intent of malice, the warrants could have been served without the ridiculous escalation of violence.

There are many ways to handle these type of circumstances; why does the government seem to favor extreme militancy as a first resort? Tarded indeed.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 11, 2014 - 09:06pm PT
It was still BLM land back then Ricki.

n 1967, the Secretary of the Interior designated Red Rock Canyon Recreation Lands to be managed by the BLM’s Las Vegas District, Nevada, for enjoyment by the public.

Do you ever get tired of being flat out wrong? Or do you just ignore reality and keep insisting you know what you are taking about... despite being shown over and over and over that you do not?
dirtbag

climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 09:06pm PT
Does anyone know if all of Bundy's grazing rights were taken away, or just some? And how much. I can only find a story that says his grazing rights were modified and that he stopped paying all fees in 1993.

Grazing rights are actually pretty weak. They're revokable at anytime.
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