Rancher +Militia vs BLM,trouble on the range.(OT)

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John M

climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:09pm PT
I have no problem with people filing lawsuits.

And as of 4 days ago the Nevada Cattlemen's association had stayed on the sidelines. There is a lot of money in cattle. If they thought this guy had a case… they would have come out much sooner. Now that the government is confiscating this guys cows, they are speaking up. But only to talk about the methods..

Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:13pm PT
fluffy wrote:

"Nobody is this stupid right? I'm getting trolled? Hope so..."

You're getting Chiefed.
John M

climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:13pm PT
Yes.. they aren't saying that the fees are illegal or wrong..
John M

climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:15pm PT
can anyone confirm for me that you need a fishing license on BLM land?
dirtbag

climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:17pm PT
Yes, but you don't need one to troll on supertopo.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:17pm PT
The militia is coming to their "aid"? Sounds like they are trying to get them killed.
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:25pm PT
I've seen post after post on this forum, decrying the LEOs as "Jackbooted Thugs." Maybe because the rancher isn't "politically correct" by libtard standards, the LEOs are "doing the right thing?" I suspect the rancher is going to get fined here, since grazing fees (exceptionally low!) have been charged, but it could be in a historical perspective, no fees had been charged in the long term past. That sort of grazing sure as schitt isn't worth much. I'm going to guess that 50 acres constitutes an AUM (animal unit), if not more. That's the number of acres annually needed to feed one animal. By grazing the land, seed distribution is helped along, and a certain amount of natural fertilizer spread around (cow manure). I'm going to hazard a guess but the BLM probably wants $2.00/cow per month for that land, which even though it sounds cheap, ISN'T for what's there. The BLM has already spent a lot more than the grazing is worth to "enforce" their diktat.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:31pm PT
I would happily pay $1.35 per month (the current rate per cow) for unlimited food, water, lodging and access on federal land.
The Chief

climber
The Land of the Mongols above Bishop
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:38pm PT
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY

Apr 11, 2014 - 05:25pm PT
I've seen post after post on this forum, decrying the LEOs as "Jackbooted Thugs." Maybe because the rancher isn't "politically correct" by libtard standards, the LEOs are "doing the right thing?"

Bingo.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:38pm PT
There are absolutely NO access fees what so ever on any BLM land. NONE.

Wow! You ever hear of Red Rocks Nevada? You know, you wouldn't seem like such a stupid as#@&%e if you revealed your complete lack of understanding with a bit less authority.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:41pm PT
The militias are coming to protect the rancher and his family from the FEDS from their known actions in collecting them fees.

Yes, Chief Durpa Doo, I get what they think they are doing. What are the odds that kind of "protection" is going to get them all killed though? How often does armed resistance to the Feds on American soil work out? They are the ones quoted as threatening armed violence, not me, lunkhead.

Enjoy your thread. I'm sure you will come out with some real idiotic doozies, per usual.
The Chief

climber
The Land of the Mongols above Bishop
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:42pm PT
Stop thinking JEEBS... it's gonna kill ya.


I'm sure you will come out with some real idiotic doozies, per usual.

Never.... I mean NEVER can I come close to your "doozies" Jeebs.


You own that crown, baby.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:43pm PT
Those that

Trespass against the vert

must die.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_forest
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:43pm PT
The portion that requires an entry fee is a designated NEVADA STATE PARK.

Wow chuff, you never shy away from showing your ignorance, do you?

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. The thing that gets me is... YOU HAVE A FUKING COMPUTER IN FRONT OF YOU, YET STILL SAY STUPID SH#T THAT IS 100% WRONG. Have you ever used google?
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:45pm PT
Running on fumes, huh Chief?

Well, granted, it's a marathon with you, you have to real conserve what little wit you have when the OCD compels you.

edit: HAhahaha! Your comeback is to use my comeback? Well, good to see you're staying away from addressing the real issues, that is your weak point. Poorly executed libel is more your game. Keep at 'er, lil guy!
Salamanizer

Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:45pm PT
That NYT article is full of inaccuracies as usual.

From what I've gained, the rancher is perfectly willing to pay any taxes or fees to the "proper" authority entitled to them. The federal government has refused to allow the collection of any fees or taxes. I'm not sure why, but it has something to do with a b.s. excuse that there is some endangered turtle on the land that his cattle threaten. Meanwhile the feds pay to exterminate thousands of these "endangered" turtles because they can't contain the huge overpopulated number of them or something like that.

What I do know is the land in question isn't owned by the federal government, it's owned by the state, and the state isn't trying nor has ever tried to collect any fee or tax from the rancher who's been on that land since 1877, with the turtles mind you. The federal government won't allow nor is asking for any "fee" to be paid. Contrary to what the NYT article is stating. They just want the rancher off his land so they can seize control of it over the rightful owner (the state of Nevada) in what is no less than a power grab.

The Militias are what appears to be mostly a fabrication by the media. Yes there are people who are armed, but this is a bunch of ranchers in rural Nevada. I'm pretty sure they're always armed.

Looks like nothing more than another control grab by the feds over peoples rights to me. I can't blame the ranchers for being pissed off. I hope they stand their ground and send the feds back to Washington empty handed where they belong.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:47pm PT
The rancher has been over-grazing the desert for over 100 years. This Las Vegas Review Journal photo shows the great grazing conditions the rancher has created.

Bundy cows, credit Las Vegas Review Journal.
Bundy cows, credit Las Vegas Review Journal.
Credit: Fritz

What is strange here-------- is all the right-wingers rushing to defend a law-breaking tax-cheat that has destroyed his own ecosystem.

I must suppose those are also their values?
The Chief

climber
The Land of the Mongols above Bishop
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:49pm PT
That fee you speak of ANITCHRIST was already in force prior to RR becoming a National Conservation Area. Long before. It was a Nevada State Park long before the BLM designated it as such. The entire RR NCA does not require an access fee. Only the same area that was fee'd back in the 90's by the State of Nevada to cover the cost of the newly constructed Interp Paved Drive area.

Below is a map of the area that only requires an access fee and has done so since the late 90's before the BLM assumed it...

John M

climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:50pm PT
Does anyone know if all of Bundy's grazing rights were taken away, or just some? And how much. I can only find a story that says his grazing rights were modified and that he stopped paying all fees in 1993.

It would be nice to see the facts of the case. The number of inflammatory articles on the web is disheartening.

statements like.. the government showed up with no warning. It is clear that they warned this guy for many years. So that is nonsense. Even his own website has stories about the impending confiscation.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:54pm PT
Yeah, the federal government is so desperate for land it is making illegal grabs of useless desert.
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