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rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 26, 2013 - 11:32pm PT
Thanks Bruce-you would think that somebody that had written 3 books could get the simple right.

Norton, I am at loose ends in semi-retirement and know that full retirement would be intolerable. School, ahh a luxury to satisfy a vanity, whats the point at this point. Reason (common sense) will only get you so far in understanding science or this counter intuitive culture.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 26, 2013 - 11:34pm PT
plenty of jobs out there don't require much education to do

common sense goes a long way, right


Probably why 53% of recent college graduates end up on their States Socialists Support Program. Unemployed. Aint that correct Wetchrisp. No hard skills and afraid to get their hands all calloused and torn up.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/04/53-of-recent-college-grads-are-jobless-or-underemployed-how/256237/
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 26, 2013 - 11:41pm PT
"counter intuitive culture"
and yours...............counter factual culture












Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 26, 2013 - 11:42pm PT
BASE,Whats with the graph you posted yesterday?Was it tornado sounding/tracking?

The mysterious Base post. I'm still not sure if that was a run of the mill tephi ( the Chief would know certainly) but I'm really curious about the assertion that global warming as we know it will be most focused on the lower layer and how that would effect the vertical stability status quo. Anybody who flies a wing is tuned into tephigrams like a surfer is with swell charts and it all has to do with environmental vs. adiabatic lapse rates. Relative humidities too i suppose.

Seems to me ( ignorant stooge that I am) that the "increased storm intensity" is intrinsically tied to this theory. Then there is the whole jet stream buckle / omega blocks thing.

There is a guy here who posts as hoser who is just wrapping up a big deal meteorology something or other. It would be great if he climbed down out of his new ivory tower to illuminate the stooge masses a bit with some meteorolgy basics and what his egg head instructors think what the latest climate change theory implies in that regard.

Or maybe The Chief could enlighten us?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 26, 2013 - 11:44pm PT
Reason (common sense) will only get you so far in understanding science

exactly!

and that is why more education would greatly help you understand "science"!

seriously rick, you are NOT too old to sharpen your intellect

please reconsider getting some more education
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 26, 2013 - 11:48pm PT
Bruce ,i know the machine/device is made in rochester,i know a few people at harris,but this kind of thing bugs me .Like our friend ed had said,i like to stay engaged,i do not know it all.

Always willing to learn.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 26, 2013 - 11:58pm PT
Rick - I'll ask again : How do you tell the difference between intuition and prejudice?


I realize its one of those questions that gives you hives but, well.... to tell you the truth that is the precise reason I ask it.

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 27, 2013 - 12:03am PT
Yep, that's right Chaff. I've been working since I was 11. I've never received a penny of aid from any government.

Why don't you admit it, you are just upset because I solve partial differential equations in my sleep, measure stable isotopes in countless materials, understand statistics... and STILL build a bombproof deck, landscape my yard, wire my house, fix my car, and solve my neighbor's groundwater problem. Plus I climb harder than you and have a hotter girlfriend. Not to mention I'm over 5'4".
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 27, 2013 - 12:13am PT
And you Norton, what are your degrees? Isn't somebody allowed to learn out of school, say here or by independent study. Does pursuit of understanding not count without the pedigree?
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 27, 2013 - 12:18am PT
chief why are you trying to bully weschrist?? Good for you standing up for yourself weschrist!!

Chief you are quick to answer a question about your military background with an admittedly cool (IMO--but I love our boys, just not the people sending them in to battle).

However Chief you fail to answer any questions about the "latte drinking city dwelling yuppies" or any questions about you living in a "backwoods commune" is that because you find it hard to defend your lifestyle after bashing similar lifestyles? Are you ashamed of your own children who have chosen a different path in life than you??

Would your children be ashamed of your SELFISH, CAVEMAN IDEOLOGY much in the same way hippie kids were ashamed of their grandparents racism??

By the way I'm picking on you BECAUSE you think your the biggest, baddest dude in the neighborhood...but I really know your WEAK. Nothing will make me think different until you GROW UP---I am comfortable to sink to your level as I came from the bottom of the barrel.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 27, 2013 - 12:18am PT
In this context it dosn't matter what degrees Norton holds as he dosn't have the outrageous gall as to misrepresent his abilities. You on the other hand, do.

All you have is something that you call intuition.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 27, 2013 - 12:43am PT
Would your children be ashamed

My children are in the mid to late 30's. Grown and doing their own life gigs. Two of the three tell me time and time again that I am a nut for arguing with folks as yourselves. The lead by the way has a Doctorate in Clinical Psychology. She visits periodically to relax and regenerate. All three admire the fact that I do not partake much in matters of the world. Ashamed? Nope. They completely understand and respect the fact that I have Bigger Flies to Tie.

Now, how about the Lindzen paper and follow-up stuff I posted this morning regarding "Clouds" and cooling. Substantiated by two follow up peer reved pubed papers and Lindzen himself.

Bully Wetcrisp. Nope. Unless he feels such. Sounds like a personal issue actually. But he sure does spend a buttload of time here on ST for someone that is gainfully employed.

I'm over 5'4"
Yvon Chouinard and plenty others are NOT. SFW!

BECAUSE you think your the biggest, baddest dude in the neighborhood...but I really know your WEAK.

You surely must partake in that GCC modelling crap. Right. Cus you know nada about me and are way off just like them 40 plus models. Stop perceiving kid.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 27, 2013 - 12:56am PT
Yeah chief about that paper, Ed claims it is refuted, end of story, but i've seen other things to the contrary. Can you elaborate?
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 27, 2013 - 01:05am PT
Chief If your a bigger man than I and have bigger flies to tie then why aren't you blasting the people responsible for putting OUR COUNTRY in the position it is in??? It isn't Weschrist who is living off of socialism...it is the corporate institutions who cheated, lied, stole from us...

Don't get back on this thread again and pretend your not a bully when you pull sh#t like that. YOU ARE A WARRIOR and ARE BETTER THAN THAT...the eagle is our symbol for a REASON---we don't prey on carrion (the weak or dying) we go into battle against the strongest we can face and are confident of the outcome because in our heart of hearts we know we are CHAMPIONS---Your daughter if pressed probably would admit that YOU and ME are both crazy to some degree.

Everybody has peaks and valleys in life (me and you included) weschrist may be in one but I believe he is strong enough to get out of it. I am a bleeding heart but I don't give money to beggars on the street if they are able bodied and of a sound mind...I give a hand up (if I can). My aunt was GIVEN polio by the VACCINE but she never had anything but a smile on her face and a cheerful attitude even though I would consider her life SH#T it doesn't matter what my opinion is---only what she thinks---same as my opinion doesn't matter to you--but I will listen to yours and find things that I can use to make myself stronger...debating you is making me stronger just because I don't like selfish bullies and you are that picture in my mind for this period of time...a gym company fell that way---they thought they were stronger too.....................................
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
May 27, 2013 - 01:09am PT
One of my greatest Hero's

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 27, 2013 - 01:13am PT
Cat got your tongue Rick?


Isn't somebody allowed to learn out of school, say here or by independent study. Does pursuit of understanding not count without the pedigree?

You can pursue it all you want, but until you attain it don't come parading around here misrepresenting yourself. You present yourself here as someone who is capable of understanding that which you critique. Our intuition tells us your full of sh#t - but perhaps we are just projecting our prejudices. How can we tell? We must validate. Well for starters what credentials do you have? Squat. When debating those here who actually do have certified relevant training and experience your opinions, assertions and beliefs are consistently shot down.

By any reasonable standard our intuition is looking not bad here.

To top it off, your beliefs are clearly entrenched. They do not change no matter what evidence is provided. The only reasonable conclusion is that you are not here to learn, only assert. This is anathema to the scientific process. Your involvement in science, self directed or otherwise, is a complete waste of your time and only offers amusement to us.

So the short answer is no a "pedigree" as you call it isn't entirely necessary but only if you can miraculously prove yourself against those who have it. Without that ability, learn all you want but don't expect us to take your judgements seriously.
WBraun

climber
May 27, 2013 - 01:39am PT
Our intuition tells us your full of sh#t


That means you're full of sh!t too.

You ain't got nothing either ultimately.

Since all you people keep saying "No one knows" .....
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 27, 2013 - 01:59am PT
You seemed to have sufficiently answered your own questions Bruce, especially relating to prejudice-it's your own.

Thanks Werner
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 27, 2013 - 01:59am PT
well werner? Your intuition is telling you something about me I think. What is it? Spit it out.

How will you decide wether your intuition is lacking or not?
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 27, 2013 - 02:08am PT
Chief do you listen to your daughter's opinion about psychology and people or do you trust your own experience? For starters your daughter has a doctorate in clinical psychology


Commmander John Hewston Folsom who served aboard the U.S.S. McCook at Normandy (D-Day) and other battles in both WWII and Korea had a mother who was a child psychologist (he told me this---he also told me that he didn't have much respect for psychology as it pertained to his mother), I could have had a double major undergraduate (in psychology with 3 more credit hours). I always thought I was stronger than John (because I was standing up for him) but that was false (and proven to me in many different ways over a long period of time). It didn't become clear how strong John was until he was near death (and long after I had been victorious against the world's largest fitness company).

John often commented on how patient I was (it is necessary to work with the disabled) I never thought myself a patient person. John never put himself above me in any way (even though he was a retired commander from the u.s. navy and could speak 7 languages, had been aboard the Morningstar and set the record for speed in the Transpac sailing race, had 2 degrees from Stanford)...to him I was a gentleman and a scholar---when I told him that I had built a rolltop desk as a project in highschool (I didn't know anyone who had ever had a more ambitious project) he didn't point me to the picture on his wall with his younger brother and a friend next to a sailboat he built (I asked him about the pic at least a year later).

John was called "Uncle John" by the crew of the U.S.S. McCook because he was the only officer they respected (most officers have a demeaning nickname). John didn't learn of his nickname until the ship's reunion 50 years later---he wanted me to call him Uncle John about 5 years into our relationship. I had stood up for him against the world's largest fitness company and began my business training people out of his apartment in Newport Beach. In between his therapy exercises I did his dishes, laundry, and any other things he wanted...in return I recieved great stories, help with technical details regarding anything under the sun (John had a lot of life experience with most anything).

John was the most outstanding person I have ever known (he suffered a 80% spinal cord dislocation in his lumbar region due to a skiing accident at age 66). He never missed an exercise session without making it up. He was easily the most well traveled person I have ever met (even people like Donini would be hard pressed to DREAM to compete with John's travels). He joined the merchant marine at 17 and traveled through the Panama Canal to New York harbor and was fired on the way back--toook a bus from Texas home-swore he would never set sail again and then graduated from Stanford right when WWII started 3 week officers training and seaboard again. Sailed boats to Tahiti, Bora Bora, a six month solo tour with a power boat to alaska from washington (through canada). He was BADASS!!

One of the last conversations John and I had was discussing what his treatment options were for late stage prostate cancer (cancer had spread to his bones) we had recently come back from a cruise to Mexico together (John's last trip 3 months prior to his death--cruise was Dec 8- 17 and he died on Feb 18 2006). Once he decided against radiation therapy AND oxycontin (radiation resulted in uncontrolled spasms for hours and oxycontin resulted in hallucinations--his words). He looked at me with a slight grin and asked me if I wanted him to "stiff upper lip it" I can't remember what I said or even the look on my face---I just knew I was looking at a man who was looking at me as if he knew I thought he was tough and he would show me what a tough man really is" Like it was nothing...A couple of months later I watched John's eyes become glassy and his breath quicker than someone who had sprinted a mile---he was sprinting his last seconds on this earth...finally the pain and suffering was over...

And I knew who was worth emulating in this world...
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