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TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Jun 17, 2013 - 01:23pm PT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yy3YJBOw_o
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jun 17, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
There goes the neighborhood! I see the subjects mentioned in the video more as 'constants' and underplay what Man is doing to the planet. I think what is happening is more 'local' to our planet. It is very easy to bury this in videos like that. Of course there is natural fluctuation in many factors. The one big fluctuation happening that is NOT natural is the big increase of CO2, methane, and other gases. Even in the charts in the video, the increase is off the charts, yet it gets minor mention. Whatever variation is happening on the other planets is NOT human caused yet it is correlated as all in the same bucket. We are changing our planet to a mind boggling degree, supplanting natural forces. If the CO2 increases happened of their own accord we would be quite alarmed, but NO! Man cannot have that kind of influence! The oceans and melting poles are throwing a big loop into everything. Clearly, the warming on a geologic scale is minor and easy to be disrupted by the business as usual of the atmosphere and oceans. The trend is toward further warming of the oceans though. The oceans can really be seen as the main atmosphere of our planet - the real flywheel. The oceans have a high potential to hide what is happening, and it is easy for contrarians to muddle the developing science.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 17, 2013 - 03:03pm PT
whore's shit
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jun 17, 2013 - 03:06pm PT
I believe you mean the movie. We're just a little out of order - like the biosphere. I know, I checked some of your recent posts. :>)
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 17, 2013 - 03:58pm PT
Yes, the movie... where a 40% increase in CO2 (clearly the result of humans burning fossil fuels) is brushed over in favor of a huge government conspiracy to tinker with the Earth's magnetosphere in order to subdue the people and prevent the apocalypse.



Ed will correct me if I'm wrong...

Energy flux from solar winds, over a relatively small area (affected by the Earth's magnetosphere): ~70 uW m^-2 (0.00007 W m^-2)

Energy flux from shortwave radiation (not affected by the Earth's magnetosphere): ~600+ W m^-2

A 10% decline in the ability of the Earth's magnetosphere to stop radiation from solar winds over the last 150 years would be insignificant as far as the Earth's energy balance is concerned.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jun 17, 2013 - 04:14pm PT
Watts Up With That is in the movie credits and the mention of cosmic rays and clouds is clearly Dr. Roy Spencer who has been discredited. The movie glances at so many subjects without covering them it is clear it is not meant to educate.

I want to make more clear what I said about heat hiding in the oceans. Clearly the oceans are heating but at the same time the polar ice caps are melting in a relative amount to that. That cold water obviously goes into the oceans and acts to cool them in. This acts like a negative feedback but long term what happens when the capacity of the ice to cool the oceans is gone? There is not much in the media about that balancing act. That is an hourglass that can poor for quite some time.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jun 17, 2013 - 04:21pm PT
The polar landmass ice does not reside in the oceans as in a drink. It goes in after it melts. I am not speaking of sea-ice but of the vast quantities of continental ice (seemingly vast anyway!)
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 17, 2013 - 04:24pm PT
Polar ice and the oceans are not in thermal equilibrium... the ice and drink in your cocktail glass are pretty close. The cold water from the melting ice sinks, flows towards the equator, and is gradually heated by the warmer water along the way.

If your cocktail glass was 1,000 miles wide you would experience the same phenomenon... but probably wouldn't give a sh#t.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jun 17, 2013 - 04:33pm PT
When people talk about heat lagging behind CO2 buildup this could be exactly what that looks like. You have CO2 buildup, you have ice to counter the heat buildup because of the CO2, but then when the ice is gone, the heat is there bigtime, with the corresponding lagging showing before. Clearly though, CO2 in the distant past was not man-caused.
abrams

Sport climber
Jun 17, 2013 - 04:35pm PT
I am certain that the ice in my soda did not melt as fast today as it
did last year sitting at the same table in the food court.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 17, 2013 - 04:38pm PT
Ice CAPS are not melting,, ONE is the other "aint"...


I know,, another inconvenient anomaly ...
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jun 17, 2013 - 04:41pm PT
Sorry, there's plenty of data showing you are wrong. You are speaking of Sea-ice in Antarctica, not continental ice. The sea-ice is increasing because the fresh water coming off the continental ice floats on top of the salt water and we all know fresh water freezes more easily than salt water, hence the increase in sea-ice with the same 'relative' temps.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 17, 2013 - 05:20pm PT
unbelievable,, we are BACK to this "stuff" again...


Yes,, the ICE SHALL MELT, superfires and tornadoes will scour the earth!

LA will be under fiddy feet of salty brine SOON!

And it will be 98 instead of 96 by yur swimmin pools.



Polar bears are gonna have to go back to screwing coastal bownies and watching their blood lines thin ( humans think thats good for their own species)



And the Seals are gonna have to be govt funded with coolers and fans and ice boxes throughout the used to be arctic.



The damm PANAMA CANAL is gonna friggin flood TO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! O-M-GEE!



webe doomed..



But in light of this catastrophic event, Ive started a COOL A SEAL campaign. Soon to be viewed at wwwdotCOLLASEALWITHARONCOSEALAMEALdotcom.


Where you can donate now to THWART the warming of those seals, and their skins. Thats right,, for every 500.00 donated, at least TWO seals shall be equipped with the most modern ice boxes, swamp coolers and fans available. All color coordinated to match the drying tundra in color..Sos as not to upset the visual nature of the seals habitats. Weve thought of it all. So DONT DELAY- those seals are feeling the heat already. I understand the crabbers now dive off their boats into the Bering Sea to cool themselves while fishing.


k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 17, 2013 - 05:24pm PT
unbelievable,, we are BACK to this "stuff" again...

What's unbelievable Ron, is that you continuously prove yourself unable to understand the science behind climate change or the implications of a warming planet.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 17, 2013 - 05:27pm PT
Kman,,Care to DONATE to the COOL A SEAL dotorg??


Cmon now WHERES YOUR CARING!!! THOSe SEALS are panting like a bunch of run out Labradors! WE MUST ACT NOWWWWW!

Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 17, 2013 - 05:28pm PT
The reality behind the science: Humans have increased the CO2 in the atmosphere by over 40%. We need to reduce carbon emissions. Pretty fuking simple.

The overblown bullshit spewed ad nausea by the uneducated morans and attributed to science: read Ron's post.

Why no bitching and whining about the doom and gloom apocalypse video posted by Jim Cockram?
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 17, 2013 - 05:36pm PT
Hey NEWPHDCHRISTKID, what part of below are you not getting?

THE UN's climate change chief, Rajendra Pachauri, has acknowledged a 17-year pause in global temperature rises, confirmed recently by Britain's Met Office, but said it would need to last "30 to 40 years at least" to break the long-term global warming trend.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nothing-off-limits-in-climate-debate/story-e6frg6n6-1226583112134



Amazing how the Liberal Gen Media kept this one under the table.

Keep up the great attitude NEWPhDKID. It is definitely gonna win them lost souls over. Surely is. I really hope that the rest of your Herd takes this arrogant attitude on. Cus it will shitcan your agenda faster than fatass Limbaugh ever could.

monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jun 17, 2013 - 05:39pm PT
Yup, still warming.
Yup, still warming.
Credit: monolith


Credit: monolith
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 17, 2013 - 05:57pm PT
Nothing new. Been happening for millions and millions of years.


Notice how life still continued in MESOZ era when C02 was ABOVE 2000PPM's.




Also, allow me to reiterate:
THE UN's climate change chief, Rajendra Pachauri, has acknowledged a 17-year pause in global temperature rises, confirmed recently by Britain's Met Office, but said it would need to last "30 to 40 years at least" to break the long-term global warming trend.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nothing-off-limits-in-climate-debate/story-e6frg6n6-1226583112134

monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jun 17, 2013 - 05:59pm PT
^^ The Chief likes to start at 97 ^^

If you start at 96, you still get a large rise, so the UN Chief is right that it takes 30-40 years to see a trend break.

Yup, still warming.
Yup, still warming.
Credit: monolith

And of course, the last few years fit well with the long term trend.

So you say global warming has stalled?
So you say global warming has stalled?
Credit: monolith
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