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Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 5, 2013 - 01:44pm PT
Everything went to hell in a bucket when Eve (evil) ate an apple given to her by a snake...

The fruit was not an apple... and the spitting serpent was not a snake. Eve snowballed Adam and god is strictly opposed to oral sex. If you allow anything other than vaginal sex, next thing you know everyone will turn gay and want to marry their stuffed animals.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jun 5, 2013 - 01:48pm PT
and god is strictly opposed to oral sex.

wow, I had no idea!

care to direct me to the bible passage?

it that the one next to the one where god commands us to murder entire towns?


Comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable

John
8;22:50
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 5, 2013 - 02:33pm PT
I stand corrected:

Psalm 81:10
Open your mouth wide, and I will fill it.

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 5, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
The fruit was not an apple... and the spitting serpent was not a snake. Eve snowballed Adam and god is strictly opposed to oral sex. If you allow anything other than vaginal sex, next thing you know everyone will turn gay and want to marry their stuffed animals.

Well 10 thousand posts later and we can count a victory in clearing up that question anyway.

thanks Dr Christ!


Yo Rick - I can whole heartedly agree with your last post. However, I think you will find that the scrutiny of religious belief and how it relates to belief in climate science is usually a result of how first and foremost the scientific basis for the belief does not add up. Thus a reason for the belief might be found elsewhere, such as religious belief taking precedent over reality belief.

Amazingly enough, there seems to be a correlation which is typically a forbidden subject of enquiry.
J man

Trad climber
morgan hill
Jun 5, 2013 - 04:36pm PT
The counter argument to increasing weather disasters is that people are living everywhere now and random storms have a much better chance of wrecking houses simply because there are structures in the way where previously only empty land existed.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 5, 2013 - 04:37pm PT
What the hell is thread devolving to? Are we talking Church of the Rock, Black Dike sect- Reverend Trans Vestite officiatinbg?
J man

Trad climber
morgan hill
Jun 5, 2013 - 07:35pm PT
Tornado Proof buildings? No such thing? Well wrong. There are and discovering it has set my sympathy meter down a half notch for the victims in OK.

Google search and there are lots of tornado proof school buildings,
homes, businesses, all over. Apparently not a secret.

Called Monolithic Domes. A reinforced concrete dome insulated with foam.

Some look better than others depending on how its decorated but given a choice of either standing in front of a pile of rubble that was my
ordinary wood frame home before the tornado or an intact dome I'd pick the dome.

(US school domes map link)
https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=203944397190240592382.000464b0fac8cef5d4111&msa=0


(info)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monolithic_dome

The dome, when finished, is earthquake, tornado and hurricane resistant (the US Federal Emergency Management Agency rates them as
"near-absolute protection" from F5 tornadoes
and Category 5 Hurricanes). Recently, a number of monolithic domes constructed using MDI techniques have survived major disasters:

Several monolithic domes in Florida survived direct hits by Hurricane Katrina in 2005.

Many monolithic domes were in the path of the 2005 and 2006 wildfires in Oklahoma and Texas, and survived with only slight charring of the exterior foam insulation.

In 2003, a monolithic dome government building in Iraq survived a direct hit by a 5,000 lb (2,300 kg). bomb. The interior of the structure burned, but the dome itself remained standing.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Jun 5, 2013 - 07:38pm PT
Just checking in.

Is this thread taking on religious overtones?

What does Daoism have to say?

J man

Trad climber
morgan hill
Jun 5, 2013 - 07:53pm PT
I think some here want to let scientists perform a stupid ritual sacrifice
of the economy by raising fuel prices out of reach to reduce CO2.


Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Jun 5, 2013 - 08:08pm PT
a long time ago
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 5, 2013 - 08:08pm PT
wanna talk greater sage grouse? (guffaw)


How about my idea to feed the hungry all over the world while lessening a certain feral animal problem in the great basin?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 5, 2013 - 09:47pm PT
Chiloe - thanks for that link. I think I saw another similar explanation from the same Canadian.

This is how I understand it: There is now less of a temperature gradient between the poles and the equator. This causes a DECREASE IN JET STREAM SPEED. This causes a increase in " amplitude" (deviations latitudinally ) in the jet as well as a tendency to become stationary in position. This explains the longer duration of climate conditions which we have observed recently.

This is helpful but I think these are "short term" climate events in that each "stationary pattern" involves numerous weather events such as frontal systems associated with a trowal or prolonged stagnant subsidence associated with a high. What I am trying to understand is the theory that single weather events such as a frontal system or series of fronts can become more intense (stronger wind, more precip rates, etc) due to conditions of climate warming and what is the mechanism.

In other words, is there anything to the notion that huricanes are more likely to be stronger or on average a winter storm will produce more precipitation.

Or under the above scenario of stationary patterns the weather is the same in intensity, but it is more sustained in duration?

For example I have heard statements that a "100 year event" is now a "30 year event".

In case you are wondering, I live on a alluvial flood plain right beside a 100 year dyke. the last 100 year flood event was only 8 years ago.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 5, 2013 - 09:48pm PT
And God said: let their be dog food, then their was.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 5, 2013 - 09:52pm PT
guffaw!
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jun 5, 2013 - 09:59pm PT

Nifty Youtube video explaining how Arctic warming affects the Jet Stream bringing weather to us all. Dr. Jennifer Francis (Rutgers U) is a well-known Arctic climate researcher.

Yeah, the jet-stream brings "weather", but so what? This warming Arctic hasn't effected the West Coast of US in any demonstrable fashion.

It's just cyclical weather. Nothing more!
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jun 5, 2013 - 10:01pm PT
The counter argument to increasing weather disasters is that people are living everywhere now and random storms have a much better chance of wrecking houses simply because there are structures in the way where previously only empty land existed.

It's pretty easy to show with some simple searches that extreme storms are more numerous and larger.

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=1674
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 5, 2013 - 10:13pm PT
It's just cyclical weather. Nothing more!

And in all likelyhood cycles will continue. but will there be a change in intensity / severity and duration?

It already rains here in cycles. If the intensity per storm increases we could be up shitcreek without a paddle. We are only engineered to the expectations of 2 decades ago. I know you could give a fuk bluey but surely you can understand my curiosity.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Jun 5, 2013 - 10:20pm PT
I'm thinking that there's a huge difference between weather and climate.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jun 5, 2013 - 10:32pm PT
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

Isn't this group, by their very definition, looking in one direction, Ed? C'mon!

They will, of course, dispute Astro-physics as a source of 'change'. These IPCC people come off as whores for more grants and work.

But I know you'll disagree. Just my $.02
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 5, 2013 - 10:34pm PT
Bruce i think the temp gradient between the poles and tropics is increasing again-see the temperature graphs in the below link. Also included a link which i posted up thread which should be interesting to all.

http://climate4you.com/Polar%20temperatures.htm

http://www.astrobio.net/pressrelease/5290/
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