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rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 30, 2013 - 09:45pm PT
Read it anyway-it needs review and criticism.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 30, 2013 - 09:48pm PT
you seem pretty up on it Rick

how about you giving your review and criticism, and support, if warranted in your opinion?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 30, 2013 - 09:59pm PT
As you have subtly alluded to Norton-i don't have the qualifications. However im just dumb enough to give it a slight stab. They seem to have manipulated observed data and incorporated into their own model enough to have accounted for the warming trend of the eighties,nineties, and the flatlining in temps deviating from steady CO2 increase of this decade. A better fit with reality?- i don't know, i have not the ability to verify their equations. Why dont you give it a go Norton?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 30, 2013 - 10:19pm PT
yeah rick, pretty sure you would pick out any parts that supported your own bias

I don't have a dog in this hunt, don't have a bias and not interested in converting anyone

I guess I will just throw my hat in with the 97% of the world's peer reviewed scientists who have produced study after study after study proving the earth is warming not only now, especially with all the heat records broken last summer, but also that the CO2 levels now are at the highest level in our recorded history and very likely due to human causes

that's good enough for me until or unless the best science climate people in the world change their opinion, but again I don't care or have an agenda personally
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 30, 2013 - 10:26pm PT
So the "paper" is saying hfcs have the depleted the ozone layer, which in turn created added solar radiance ,which in turn created tropospheric warming. But they theorize since hfc s ,are on the decline the earth will cool.Thats it in a nutshell.Do you really believe that?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 30, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
i don't know, i have not the ability to verify their equations.



If the above is true, then how do you account for this statement:


They seem to have manipulated observed data




That is quite an alarming accusation. I would assume that anyone discovered to have deliberately manipulated data would be in serious breach of thier professional code of ethic. If an engineer was found to have deliberately manipulated load calculations in order to use preferred building material he would also be in breach, and be considered grossly negligent in his duty of care.

Similarly, don't you think that you drawing conclusions without adequate capability to judge is also unethical?









Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
May 30, 2013 - 10:52pm PT
^^^ Its a trap and a troll, don't respond!!!1111

Well, at least somebody knows what's going on here.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 30, 2013 - 11:14pm PT
It is all manipulation of data Bruce. Look it up, not all connotations of the word imply dishonesty. You Dr., look in the mirror-look at that look of fear in your face. It is an irrational imagination of an apocalyptic doom that a collective of modern culture seems to share.In your case, it leads you to thrash around in infantile attacks on all those you deem the cause.

I believe in the future Wilbeer, independent of humankinds puny efforts.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 30, 2013 - 11:19pm PT
It is all manipulation of data

ok, I'll bet out of curiosity

that is a pretty strong claim that the data is manipulated

and you state it as if is a fact and not just because if proves your agenda wrong

so prove it Rick, prove the data is manipulated, let's see your work .....

no bullsh!t trying to back out of your claim, prove your sh#t, prove it is manipulated
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
May 30, 2013 - 11:22pm PT
The trolls are ever more transparent.
Here is some background on the non-accepted theory of Lu on Cosmic rays and CFCs.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2011/07/lu-from-interesting-but-incorrect-to-just-wrong/
http://www.skepticalscience.com/CFCs-global-warming.htm
The first thing you should do if you are going to call yourself a "skeptic" is read the FAQs and find that your latest denial of established science was already rebutted years ago.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php
Lu's latest paper draft is mostly just a rehash of his previous work, claiming that a "corrected observed global temperature" proves that all warming from 1860 to 1960 was due to solar forcing, and warming since then is due to CFCs. It is based on dubious correlations and assumptions such as claiming that non-CFC gases such as CO2 have "saturated" in potential effect, so more CO2 will have no greenhouse effect.

When you do a google search on Lu CFC climate change you will get a bunch of links to crap from places like the Heartland Institute and a bunch of fake science blogs. The only thing interesting you will learn is how many fake science websites exist, and how quickly they latch onto nonsense.
CFC forcings on climate change are already built in to all the reviewed models. Why is it that "skeptics" seem to think that the more they post, the more they "win." I guess that's true if obstructionism is winning.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 30, 2013 - 11:26pm PT
I believe in the future as well.

It would be too much to believe that just a reduction in carbon output and more efficient FF use would create a flat line in CC.[like it is believed to]
Naw, hell no,we would be tampering then .
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 30, 2013 - 11:27pm PT
Look up the definition of the word manipulation Norton.

Splater thankyou for sharing Lu's history and connections according to the CO2 doom lobby.

Are you talking in advanced mathematical language or something Ed. Can't figure out what point you are trying to make.

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 30, 2013 - 11:40pm PT
definition of the word manipulation

Ok I see what you mean. I made the mistake of assuming its popular meaning of "altering".
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 30, 2013 - 11:53pm PT
THE CHIEF DOESN'T POST BECAUSE HE HAS BEEN EXPOSED!!! HE IS A HYPOCRIT...HE USES SOLAR POWER, HE RAISED A DAUGHTER SO ELITE IN SCIENTIFIC DISCIPLINES SHE BECAME A CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST, HE TRUSTS AND USES PRODUCTS DEVELOPED, ENGINEERED, AND TESTED BY SCIENTISTS DAILY. HE LIVES IN A BACKWOODS COMMUNE, HE RECYCLES, ETC ETC

A close look at his post history reveals that he began posting right after the soap opera "days of our lives" went off the air...I feel for you Chief...my grandfather also a Navy man built himself a woodshop to stay busy but he was to manly to get hooked on soap operas I guess supertopo is acceptable to keep you entertained...


Can you imagine waking up DAILY looking in the mirror and then bashing elite scientists when you raised one, bashing city dwelling latte drinking yuppies when you raised one, bashing tree hugging backwoods dwelling communists when you are one, THERE IS NO WAY THIS THREAD IS ANYTHING BUT ENTERTAINMENT IN BETWEEN CLEANING BROOKIES FOR DINNER!!!
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 31, 2013 - 12:23am PT
Splatter has said it,OBSTRUCTIONISM

Why because if its not that,and its not science,what is it.


BS.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 31, 2013 - 01:04am PT
That the predictions are to reduced in #5 is a good thing Ed. A level of volcanic aerosols are a natural occurence, one of many ignored, misunderstood, or unknown. By the time all of nature is fully understood and quantified our species will have made way for evolutions next replacement.

You guys misunderstand the Chief at your own peril.One thing i can say i learned from observation of his posts is that he turns the table on the more programmed of you and uses the very same tactics you have learned but with a lot more force.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
May 31, 2013 - 01:20am PT
The bombastic Chief , posing as an expert on climatology , posts charts and data that he likely hasn't a clue about...Nothing more annoying than an opinionated , loud mouth attention whore but i do respect his trolling techniques and give him credit for thoroughly stirring the pot....
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 31, 2013 - 01:57am PT
Are you saying all about everything is known, the whole 10 to the billionth bits of the universe's information, Ed. Well why in the hell are they still playing with their toy models. Surely they could just pronounce "let there be light" ,then there would be light.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 31, 2013 - 08:30am PT
I am NO expert on science. Never claimed to be. Not once. You all claimed that.

BUT, I am an expert at various delusional mind control tactics via propaganda and other forms of manipulation. That was my profession for almost a quarter century. Both applying and analyzing it. Just as you "elites" here in science continue to claim your intellectual capacities on/in this issue. I have been analyzing your tactics and behaviors via my extensive experiential capacities. You may think you know all that needs to know about GCC. Some may have a good intent at that. But, you are doing nothing more than attempting to proliferate your way of life and ideology onto the rest of us that do not see it as you do.

There is far more in education of ones mind than attending 10 years of college and then receiving various pieces of paper declaring they are an expert. To state anything of the contrary is complete lunacy and self serving at best. Your tactics are absolutely NO different than the many other forms of political/religious cults and their enforcement tactics of the past.

With that said, I am outta here for a while. Heading up to some secret spots to enjoy em before they all melt away from this desperate GCC warming. More importantly, to get away from you Socialist Freak clowns.

Rick, Ron, NWO2 etal, keep up the fight. These clowns need the continuous slap in the face as well as boots up their asses.


GARY and DIRTCLAUD, glad you two SHEEP of SHEEP showed up. You both are the epitome of the Socialist Ideological freaks that have taken the bait and succumbed to the Utopian propaganda. Nice. Keep it going so that others can see the ultimate result of insanity of it all. Ha!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
May 31, 2013 - 09:46am PT
The Chief...I majored in delusional mind tactic and seduction techniques and you will probably spend the day fishing by a secluded back country stream arguing with the brookies....
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