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raymond phule

climber
Jul 29, 2013 - 04:06pm PT

You'd be lucky if you got 10 million or so globally to play along with your scam. Lucky!

Should I cant the number of people in your math or real math?

I am sure that there are many more than 10 millions that is included in the scam if real numbers are used. In the chief numbers I am nor sure. Is 10 million equal to 234% of the number of people in USA?
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Jul 29, 2013 - 04:16pm PT
700 Milion is your number of the 1%.
I told you he's a moron. Can't spell either.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jul 29, 2013 - 04:28pm PT
For the reality-based community ... vivid article here by Chris Mooney, taken on a walk by University of Alaska scientists through the Army's permafrost time tunnel:

To step into the US Army Corp of Engineers’ Permafrost Tunnel Research Facility in Fox, Alaska—just north of Fairbanks—is to step back in time. Burrowed into the silt layers of an unassuming hillside, the tunnel is like a scene out of a sub-Arctic Indiana Jones adventure. Shivering, you walk the length of an underground football field, past protruding bones of Ice Age animals (including mammoths) and huge ice wedges, which were frozen in place long before Hebrew scribes compiled the Old Testament.
http://climatedesk.org/2013/07/more-wildfires-more-warming-more-wildfires/

A few years back, a different UAF scientist took me through that tunnel. It's a spooky place, conducive to deep thoughts about time.

raymond phule

climber
Jul 29, 2013 - 04:50pm PT

You all just confirmed the fundamental point of the elitist bullshet propaganda machine

Is the definition of elitist someone that can calculate a percentage?


The number/s means absolutely nothing. The reality of it all is that it aint gonna happen. Never. You all will be in your little Fatalist Utopian Box screaming and kicking till the day you melt yet nothing will come close to what you all demand. Not one bit of it.

How do you know when you obviously have no understanding at all about numbers?

raymond phule

climber
Jul 29, 2013 - 04:55pm PT
oh, I didn't know that. I am of course taking your word for it...

edit: another late edit from the chief.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jul 29, 2013 - 04:57pm PT
Chief...So you let the masses think for you..? Scary..
raymond phule

climber
Jul 29, 2013 - 04:58pm PT
a sh#t, an internet poll. The best way to get valid information...
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jul 29, 2013 - 05:08pm PT
Your god cannot save you from this abuse Norton. Agonizing to watch but your eyelids are fixed open.
raymond phule

climber
Jul 29, 2013 - 05:11pm PT

PHULE:

You got anything that substantiates your BS about more care about GCC/AGW etc? Post up if you can. But then again, you can't cus there isn't anything to show.

Sorry, I cant. If I tried I would need to use numbers and it is clear that you don't understand numbers.

Did you know that the number of the world population that lives in:

USA is about 4%
europe 10%
japan 1.8%

I also have to admitt that I don't know what I am supposed to substantiate. I tried to discuss one of your claims. You made a fool of yourself (that sure was fun). What you discuss now I don't know.
raymond phule

climber
Jul 29, 2013 - 05:13pm PT

HA! You lose.

It is kind of cute when you and rick claim victory all the time.

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jul 29, 2013 - 05:16pm PT
Phule=fool. Open your eyes and suffer the agony of success.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jul 29, 2013 - 05:47pm PT
Now let's get back to the insults...Chief...You are an ingnorant slut...! RJ
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 29, 2013 - 06:18pm PT
good refutation actually of the north pole ice photo, Chief

however, the fact still remains that global warming IS real and it IS quite rapidly causing melting in the Arctic

I think the point of posting the photo was simply to refute Rick's contention, not your's chief,
that denies the reality OF the current warming trend

also, I DO agree with the chief that, to a large degree, finances and human resources could be better targeted to mitigate human suffering NOW rather than a warming trend that we are likely to not be able to DO anything significant about anyway
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 29, 2013 - 06:24pm PT
. 09 of one degree and holding steady for the past 15 yrs Norton,, think on it.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 29, 2013 - 06:27pm PT
Chiloe said the camera was not at the North Pole (two pics, 87N and 85N). Even provided the same map above.

If The Chief wants to debunk people who mistook it for the north pole, have at it.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 29, 2013 - 06:55pm PT
Check his posting history, if you dare.

Do you need help?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jul 29, 2013 - 07:27pm PT
Days ago, immediately after seeing the photos, it took me all of five minutes to debunk the arctic Pole melt story. I simply googled Arctic ice cam's and noted the location of the ever moving observation buoys. The little meltwater photo was taken from a UW buoy 350 km from the pole. You know guys, its been the coolest summer on record above 80 north after the longest lasting winter in the history of the mid to upper latitudes of the northern hemisphere. The PDO is in it's negative phase and there are indications the AMO is likewise entering negative territory. Alaska (the poster child of global warming) is over a decade into a cooling trend thats seen the average temps decline at 19 out 20 official weather stations 2.4 f. The southern hemisphere is suffering, in wide ranging locales, from cold snaps of historic proportions. Antarctic ice is at historic highs (sea ice especially) and the continent has been in a slight but steady cooling trend for decades. The global temp anomaly for the month of june is minus 0.0129 c. The rocky mountain and plains states are unseasonably cool right now. The formerly supposedly CAGW induced drought states are suffering rainfalls of (albeit t-storms mostly) of epic proportions. Do i need to go on?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 29, 2013 - 08:09pm PT
As an excuse for you, Chief, Chiloe did say 3 days ago that the pics were not at the north pole, which seems past the limit of your memory.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jul 29, 2013 - 08:52pm PT
Or, sticking with an Alaska theme, this from BBC within the past hour:

The Alaskan village set to disappear underwater in a decade

Almost no one in America has heard of the Alaskan village of Kivalina. It clings to a narrow spit of sand on the edge of the Bering Sea, far too small to feature on maps of Alaska, never mind the United States.

Which is perhaps just as well, because within a decade Kivalina is likely to be underwater. Gone, forever. Remembered - if at all - as the birthplace of America's first climate change refugees.

Four hundred indigenous Inuit people currently live in Kivalina's collection of single-storey cabins. Their livelihoods depend on hunting and fishing.

The sea has sustained them for countless generations but in the last two decades the dramatic retreat of the Arctic ice has left them desperately vulnerable to coastal erosion. No longer does thick ice protect their shoreline from the destructive power of autumn and winter storms. Kivalina's spit of sand has been dramatically narrowed.




There's more, it's a good balanced story.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23346370
dirtbag

climber
Jul 29, 2013 - 08:58pm PT
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