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BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 25, 2013 - 10:49pm PT

Politics is the practice and advancement of a philosophy among other things.

So is Science!

You guys are fun to watch
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Aug 25, 2013 - 11:08pm PT
Sorry Chief but the hurricane or tropical storm that hit Galveston caused so much damage due to the bulk of the population living on a sand bar with inadequate or non-existent sea walls...in addition the population on the island were ill prepared for any natural disaster as it was a resort city...just a recollection from my elementary school years as I was an avid reader like you...

how is that exercise routine going? Have you started? Good Luck it is hard to have 10 extra lbs. weighing you down...did you know 1 lb of fat contains 30 miles of capillaries? It's hard for the heart to pump enough oxygen to the brain to think clearly with 10 lbs of fat to pump through first...get off your ass and get in shape!!!
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 25, 2013 - 11:19pm PT
I'm a bit disadvantaged in that my two and a half tall pile of papers are in Ak and i'm currently in NV. However, i remember the science and scientists that i derive my expectations of future climate from to an extent. Based on what i have read and have the capability to understand clear predictions can be made. You see, these climate scientists that i have confidence in don't make their papers deliberately nebulous or their predicted course of events so far in the future that none of us alive today will be alive to fact check. Based upon the works of Easterbrook,Gray, Abdussmatov, Svensmark, and non peer reviewed works of Bastardi, i made a few predictions last spring. If you care to check you will see that their was an expectation for recovery of Arctic sea ice this year and into the future. I also predicted, based upon farmer's planting news, that there might be a bad harvest and shortages this year in northern hemisphere crops. The first prediction is so far accurate. The second looks less so because of great growing conditions due to plentiful rainfall, increased co2, and a moderate if late summer in the lower midwest. The jury is still out in the upper midwest and canadian bread basket as the harvest quantity is dependent upon the remaining growing days. Now what besides an ice free arctic, increased tornadic activity, increased and more severe hurricane season, record heat waves vastly outpacing cold weather, did your guys predict for this and near term years?
command error

Trad climber
Colorado
Aug 25, 2013 - 11:24pm PT
We climbers know better than most that when you do stuff wrong
bad things happen. Making excuses sucks.

Credit: command error

jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Aug 26, 2013 - 01:52am PT
Well, here's part of the problem anyway.

http://www.mynews4.com/news/local/story/Locals-protest-chemtrails-citing-patents-as/FtfIh2K8gUuCcI1j5qUIug.cspx

Seriously, there's an actual f-ng patent on that?
Sorry, didn't mean to divert the real science.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 26, 2013 - 11:29am PT
Even your own graph, Chief shows the declining sea ice extent. One year doesn't make a trend, idiot.

One year doesn't make a trend, idiot.
One year doesn't make a trend, idiot.
One year doesn't make a trend, idiot.
One year doesn't make a trend, idiot.
One year doesn't make a trend, idiot.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 26, 2013 - 11:33am PT
Dumbass, I'm not claiming this season is a decline in extent.

The 201x's average so far is well below the 200x's average.

The 201x's average so far is just above the 2011 blue line.

Notice the trend or do you need it spoon fed to you like a baby?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 26, 2013 - 12:15pm PT
Fortmental is talking about volume, not area, Chief.

You are frighteningly dumb.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 26, 2013 - 12:30pm PT
^^baffling^^

It's sad when you keep doubling down on stupidity.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Aug 26, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
everything short of that

I see what you did there, Dr. H.
Lolz.

Sure is nice of the Chief to posts charts that contradict what he is saying, within the same posts he is saying it. Self refutation, but he's too thick to even realize it. Pitiful really. Doesn't speak well to the educational prowess of the USN.
dirtbag

climber
Aug 26, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^



McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Aug 26, 2013 - 02:47pm PT
Yeah, I've never seen that before! On a lighter note........

I do like the balance that dirtbag provides. (seriously)
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Aug 26, 2013 - 03:37pm PT
seriously,

there ought to be an admission fee to spectate this thread.....

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Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Aug 26, 2013 - 03:44pm PT
what was the area of water that your aircraft carrier displaced, when fully loaded?
CV-66: 83,573 tons
CV-43: 45,000 tons
CVN-65: 94,781 tons
what a maroon
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Aug 26, 2013 - 05:43pm PT
Chief, let's make this simple:

1. What are some of the units of volume?
2. Are tons a measure of volume?
3. If you do choose to use tons as a stand-in for units of volume, what other piece of information is required for an accurate conversion?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 26, 2013 - 06:03pm PT
The weight of anything that floats is equal to the weight of the water it displaces.

Density has nothing to do with it, Chief, cuz the both the ship and ice are floating.

Keep working on understanding simple concepts like volume vs area before moving on to stuff more complicated.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Aug 26, 2013 - 06:22pm PT
The difference between area and volume is grade 5 material in California.
So are percents.
http://www.ixl.com/standards/california/math/grade-5
www.mathscore.com/math/standards/California/5th Grade/
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Aug 26, 2013 - 06:25pm PT
Wow, so a carrier is a "solid body"? How do they fit people inside?

Here's the bottom line Chief: He asked you what area is displaced. It's kind of a trick question because displacement is typically quoted in a volumetric unit of measure. However, knowing the weight of the object, you know how much weight of liquid it will displace, and knowing the density of the liquid, we can back-calculate a volume.

But again, volume is not area.

The surface area of a container for a specific volume will vary with the shape of said container. You can do some simple calculus equations to solve for what is the shape requiring the least surface area for a given volume (it's a sphere, btw)
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Aug 26, 2013 - 06:47pm PT
archimedes principle. I know it really well because of my DCS cert. showing chief to be the fool he is....

well played mono!
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Aug 26, 2013 - 07:04pm PT
I'm not a scientist / engineer but do work with regulated industries. Thus, I can say thus:

On the business side, no one really contests climate change. Even if they do, they are dealing with regulation and/or public perception and have moved on. Even in the unlikely event he is correct, nobody actually cares what the chief has to say.



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