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Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
May 30, 2013 - 02:44pm PT

the skeptics show a piss poor fit to the data
the scientists show a good fit to the data



http://www.skepticalscience.com/comparing-global-temperature-predictions.html
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
May 30, 2013 - 02:45pm PT
guess i should have specified actual living creature- animal type life, not organisms fossilized.;-)

A living creature huh? Whatever dude.

DMT
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 30, 2013 - 02:51pm PT
JeeeezerRice. Got like three or four of you yabbering on about protozoans and organisms. I was asking for something you can walk, pet, or watch swimming about in the aquarium.. Said that right after the original post.

Let me know the next time you walk your protozoan , a tr would be great!
raymond phule

climber
May 30, 2013 - 02:52pm PT

And a big round of applause to the Chief who patiently brings to our attention the reality of observations vz the fiction of the models.

I really cant understand how he does that when he show figures that show that the models are pretty accurate. How accurate need a model be so that you do not call it a fiction model? A prediction error of less than 10^-20 degrees?

It is like Ron show a figure that show that the ice cover is shrinking when he at the same time say that the ice cover is not shrinking.

I really can't understand the logic that the "sceptics" in this thread use.

The Chief's last figure is interesting when it seems to suggest that a periodic model is better at predicting the temperature than the mainstream models by showing a plot from the last 10 years when it is obvious that the same periodic model would fail completely before the start of that time window.

But I guess that the prediction power of a model that predicts what you want to hear is proved after comparing its prediction after a time interval of maybe a year or two but that the prediction power of models that you do not liked is disproved if the error is larger than 10-5 after a prediction time of 30 years.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 30, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
Hey Ray,, for the same reasons rain forest sceintists say 50K species will dissapear from the globe due to GW, but they DONT KNOW what those species are because they havent found them yet.


For the same reason they say there is warming when temps have been flat lined for quite a while.


For the same reason that the polar bears have been artificially declared endangered. Etc etc.
raymond phule

climber
May 30, 2013 - 03:00pm PT
?????????
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 30, 2013 - 03:09pm PT
Jennie I believe the earth began when Joseph Smith was struck with a blinding light and awoke with a set of golden plates a new "prophet"...seriously I can't stand mormons and find it hard to discuss ANYTHING with one...SORRY.

Earth is 4.6 billion years old (give or take a hundred million years) based on radiometric age dating.
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
May 30, 2013 - 03:12pm PT
I was asking for something you can walk, pet, or watch swimming about in the aquarium.. Said that right after the original post.

Here's your redefinition of your original "life form" post:
guess i should have specified actual living creature- animal type life, not organisms fossilized.;-)

Don't see any mention of multicellular. Be specific and you won't have to read our criticisms.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 30, 2013 - 03:17pm PT
THE CHIEF IS A HYPOCRIT!!!

HIS SILENCE TO MY PROOF OF IT IS DEAFENING!!

HE LOVES AND TRUSTS SCIENCE JUST AS MUCH AS HE LIKES TO ARGUE!!

RON 2!!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 30, 2013 - 03:26pm PT
Skept,, i thought an example such as the tadpole shrimp would define the meaning.;-)




Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
May 30, 2013 - 03:32pm PT
...seriously I can't stand mormons and find it hard to discuss ANYTHING with one...SORRY.

I didn't pose the question as adversarial, mountainlion.

...but my sympathetic apologies, anyway. I'll honor the walls of your tender refuge.
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
May 30, 2013 - 03:40pm PT
For all of the grief you get on this forum, I'd think you'd know the results of that type of logic by now...
crunch

Social climber
CO
May 30, 2013 - 03:45pm PT
Oldest and still living life form: Cyanobacteria

No way, Skeptimistic.









Credit: crunch

Not while Fred still stalks the Earth.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 30, 2013 - 03:49pm PT
+1^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^;-)



Yeah Skept, ignoring the actual example provided in lieu of semantics angles,, i SHUD be used to that.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 30, 2013 - 05:35pm PT
http://climate.nasa.gov/state_of_flux#Icemelt_Colorado.jpg

Did somebody win yet?

Credit: wilbeer


Nasa a day keeps the deniers away. Big oil is in the pockets of every gov.agency,yet they just cant get to those greedy scientists.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 30, 2013 - 05:48pm PT
EVERYBODY should check out the climate change and the wild places you love thread!! First hand accounts, stories, and pics---obviously not funded by big oil!!
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
May 30, 2013 - 08:27pm PT
Not while Fred still stalks the Earth.

Meh, he's just a babe in arms compared to my withered countenance....
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 30, 2013 - 08:32pm PT
Meh, he's just a babe in arms compared to my withered countenance....

this thread is no good without photos.....
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 30, 2013 - 09:35pm PT
Upthread i struggled to ask a stupid science question. The phrasing should have been what are the effects of various variable values in the solar spectrum on atmospheric chemistry. Anyway, i don't wonder why nobody answered since the question was asked incorrectly. I found a new study addressing this and it is fascinating-scientists thinking outside of the CO2 religion box.see below.Of course, i don't understand a lot of the language so pointing out my ignorance is appreciated.The svensmark Aarhus paper i already saw. CLOUD experiment is expected to generate a new paper interpreting results in July, i believe.

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1210/1210.6844.pdf
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
May 30, 2013 - 09:45pm PT
There are those that claim our solar system is a second generation system partially formed from the leftovers of a previous supernova


Pretty germane, Rick, the consequences of a supernova are very relevant accounting in the age of the Earth. The 4.54 0.05 billion year age of the planet is an estimate based on the measurement of radioactive isotopes in meteorites in the earths crust.

The accretion disk from which the solar system (and Earth) formed contained radio-isotopes from a supernova explosion. Most geological samples from Earth are unable to give a direct date of the formation of Earth from the solar nebula because Earth has undergone differentiation and mixing into the core, mantle, and crust which skews the isotopic date.

Meteorites considered to represent the primitive material from which the accreting solar disk was formed.can be accurately dated from the origin of isopes within... and the stages in the development of the planet estimated from mathematical models.

The timeframe for accretion and cooling of the planet's crust is much shorter than what I supposed.
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