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McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Aug 26, 2013 - 02:47pm PT
Yeah, I've never seen that before! On a lighter note........

I do like the balance that dirtbag provides. (seriously)
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Aug 26, 2013 - 03:37pm PT
seriously,

there ought to be an admission fee to spectate this thread.....

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Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Aug 26, 2013 - 03:44pm PT
what was the area of water that your aircraft carrier displaced, when fully loaded?
CV-66: 83,573 tons
CV-43: 45,000 tons
CVN-65: 94,781 tons
what a maroon
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Aug 26, 2013 - 05:43pm PT
Chief, let's make this simple:

1. What are some of the units of volume?
2. Are tons a measure of volume?
3. If you do choose to use tons as a stand-in for units of volume, what other piece of information is required for an accurate conversion?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 26, 2013 - 06:03pm PT
The weight of anything that floats is equal to the weight of the water it displaces.

Density has nothing to do with it, Chief, cuz the both the ship and ice are floating.

Keep working on understanding simple concepts like volume vs area before moving on to stuff more complicated.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Aug 26, 2013 - 06:22pm PT
The difference between area and volume is grade 5 material in California.
So are percents.
http://www.ixl.com/standards/california/math/grade-5
www.mathscore.com/math/standards/California/5th Grade/
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Aug 26, 2013 - 06:25pm PT
Wow, so a carrier is a "solid body"? How do they fit people inside?

Here's the bottom line Chief: He asked you what area is displaced. It's kind of a trick question because displacement is typically quoted in a volumetric unit of measure. However, knowing the weight of the object, you know how much weight of liquid it will displace, and knowing the density of the liquid, we can back-calculate a volume.

But again, volume is not area.

The surface area of a container for a specific volume will vary with the shape of said container. You can do some simple calculus equations to solve for what is the shape requiring the least surface area for a given volume (it's a sphere, btw)
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Aug 26, 2013 - 06:47pm PT
archimedes principle. I know it really well because of my DCS cert. showing chief to be the fool he is....

well played mono!
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Aug 26, 2013 - 07:04pm PT
I'm not a scientist / engineer but do work with regulated industries. Thus, I can say thus:

On the business side, no one really contests climate change. Even if they do, they are dealing with regulation and/or public perception and have moved on. Even in the unlikely event he is correct, nobody actually cares what the chief has to say.



Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Aug 26, 2013 - 07:16pm PT
nobody actually cares what the chief has to say.

I think one of the chief's central points is very valid - the majority of humanity doesn't care about this one way, or the other. People will happily ignore the chief as readily, though probably with more aggressive applications of ambivalence, than they would ignore ED!!!, er, I mean Ed, of course.

The dull knives blunt both ways.

DMT
dirtbag

climber
Aug 26, 2013 - 07:25pm PT
^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^



Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Aug 26, 2013 - 07:57pm PT
Yeah ok chief, you are correct

the word "record" heat should not have been used

but that is quite essentially irrelevant, and of course does nothing to diminish my point

and that point is that, just like last summer when heat RECORDS across the grain belt were indeed set, this summer is turning out to be a replay, although, so far, only a couple degrees short of being called record heat

it's not about localized weather, or whether a particular heat record is set and continually rebroken

it is about the "trend", undeniable, unmistakable global warming

of that, the flat earth society has been silenced

what remains is only conversation as to whether or not we humans both should and can, do anything to mitigate what is clearly happening

hey chief, I sent you a PM on serving on the America, when you get time
WBraun

climber
Aug 26, 2013 - 08:33pm PT
So Dr F is the white and black dog,

and Dirtbag is the brown dog.

Wow!!!

You two are way homo ....

kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Aug 26, 2013 - 08:37pm PT
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Aug 26, 2013 - 08:44pm PT
oh YEAH!

thanks for that chief!
dirtbag

climber
Aug 26, 2013 - 09:01pm PT
I check in on this thread just to make sure that Dirtbag is here to post what I think of this thread

Dirtbag, every page, please keep up the good work!!

It's hard to imagine why anyone else would want to debate these morons is beyond me.

You're welcome! You get it!


And here's one for Chief Running Mouth, per Dr. F's request:




WBraun

climber
Aug 26, 2013 - 09:11pm PT
Dirtbag looking for Dr F ......

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 26, 2013 - 11:48pm PT
Well Ed,your estimation of the extent of what i know and my concern for the future is, as usual for you, dead wrong. As a father of three, and hopefully someday soon a grandfather of many more, i am keenly concerned for the future. As the patriarch of my little clan i bare responsibility for their future. This issue, probably more than any other prominent current issue, poses a danger to the tribe, but not for the reason's you are shamelessly promoting. Long ago i determined that the odds of CAGW effects posing a threat for the future well being of my descendants is near zero. However there is a very real mortal threat associated with this issue; it is that those pushing the measures to mitigate this non threat will succeed thereby needlessly subjecting future generations to indentured servitude without the freedoms we have enjoyed and with greatly diminished opportunity. And for what- to satisfy the ego's and the greed of a limited few? If these guys get their way we face an economic calamity of proportions much larger than we have witnessed in modern times. Perhaps a new Dark Ages. At that point, with seven billion plus people, you would see "real environmental catastrophe".

I'm pretty good at figuring people out. What i know of you Ed, is that your belief in the catastrophe's some of the more outspoken are bullhorning about is very thin. At the same time i also know, by deduction, that your allegiance is more towards your fellow scientists, that you have spent a lifetime around, than the general public or even your fellow supertopians. Perhaps you have no children. Everything you have accomplished is of your own making. You worked hard, put yourself through many years of schooling while doing without and dirtbagging it to make ends meet, you are now a senior scientist in charge of a brigade of some older scientists but mainly those still a bit wet behind the ears. You fear the backlash for all scientists if this "climate science" collapses in the denunciation and scorn it deserves.

You Ed, should study some real world economics. If you did, and could understand it, you would see that science will suffer immeasurably if the CAGW scam policies are put in place.

Say, in thirty years from now i encounter you on a upper senior type of trail, and say we are all feeling the ill effects of "climate science economic policy", well i think i would take my cane and hit you over the head.

You are too intelligent to continue supporting this CAGW sham.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Aug 27, 2013 - 02:53am PT
are you sure that pic isn't a pic of the chief beginning his exercise routine?? I sure hope you get in shape Chief because that is an embarrassing fitness level for any navy man let alone a Chief to be in...where is your discipline??? push yourself away from the buffet...there are people who eat less in a week than what you consume to maintain that girth...BTW is girth a measure of volume or area??
dirtbag

climber
Aug 27, 2013 - 05:52am PT
Plus a square foot or two for his moobs.
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