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rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 31, 2013 - 12:19pm PT
Oh, i forgot about you Bruce. I think we covered all this in our resounding defeat of your religiuos CAGW beliefs, but to reiterate.
1.Yes AGW is a fact. As Ed said, a rather feeble signal compared to natural variability.If you think that billions and billions of multi ton eating machines known as dinosaurs didn't influence the planet then obviously you were not at the tail end of their methane release.
2. Intuition is what people like Darwin, Einstein,Dyson,Lindzen etc. share, that along with the ability to share it through the language of science.Prejudice is the trait that your CAGW religion shares with many religions and political systems on this planet-the inflexible belief they are the chosen people and the sole recipients of the divine truths.
3. See above. If competing beliefs conflict with their view of the world, as the chosen people, then it must obviously be wrong in their minds
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 31, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
you Rick are an intellectual coward.


by anyones understanding, you avoided answering the questions stated.

You did so intentionally.

You display cowardice.


Pardon me! It may be said that in answer to question 3 your reply was direct. However, could you explain in detail your reference to "see above"? What is that in reference to?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 31, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
well Ed,

I understand your call for me to be more civil, and not call rick a liar for saying the date is manipulated

I don't feel my use of the word liar is inappropriate here as when someone intentionally says something they know to be untrue then they are a "liar"

I believe in calling out liars, for lots and lots of reasons
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 31, 2013 - 12:40pm PT
gee guys,, Ed calls for civility and then the next three posts in a row are pure crapola.. Even Ed slides in the subtle "cut"...


Gw submarine has a screen door,, burble burble gurgle...
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 31, 2013 - 12:46pm PT
quite the contrary Ron. I make observations which i can substantiate. Furthermore, when i recognize it, I offer apology for my misunderstanding. I am being civil.

I reitierate, my assertion of cowardice is I believe warranted. I don't mind being proven wrong.


For instance, perhaps Ricks inability to directly and succinctly address my questions can be explained another way, other than cowardice. Perhaps he chose to answer the question without adequately understanding them, but then I'm not sure how I can state them any simpler.

Which makes me wonder how he finds himself capable of answering questions of science.


for your reference:




1) If you were to be presented with solid evidence that AGW was a fact, would you change your mind? A simple yes or no answer is acceptable for now.

2) Can you explain how we differentiate between Intuition and prejudice? Is this relevant to the role of intuition in judgement?

3) Why exactly is there a strong trend within some organized religions to oppose AGW theory?


In an attempt to clarify further, I offer this:

In reference to question 1, I assert that AGW is the primary force. But as anyone can figure my question is more rhetorical. It has do do with if you have any belief at all and are presented with evidence to refute it, can you change you mind. I think most people could see my intent.


In reference to question 2, I'm not particularly asking for definitions. I want to know how anyone when presented with an opportunity to judge based on intuition, can be sure that what they percieve as intuition is not actually prejudice.


In reference to question 3, Rick may have identified the role of religious belief in judging AGW, but he appears to reference it to some previous observations of his. What are they and what is the relevance?
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
May 31, 2013 - 12:56pm PT
Ron Anderson ≠ Sarah Palin
but ...
Ron Anderson = stupid
Sarah Palin = stupid
Ron Anderson ≈ Sarah Palin
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 31, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
malemutt,, if my dog looked like you id shave its ass and teach it to walk backwards..



See there THATS how you CUT someone.. If your bound and determined to interject nonsense then please do so with a bit more "gusto"..
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 31, 2013 - 02:03pm PT
Crickets.......


OK Rick. I'm off to do other stuff too but I look forward to your reply. I hope that unlike Ron you can differentiate between robust debate and simple minded character assassination and hopeless diversionary tactics.

No doubt you agree that if you want to engage in an intellectual knife fight either one of us should be able to take a knife through the ribs with good grace. One things for sure, unlike you I have no intention of having a scientific knife fight with ED or Chiloe as much as I'd want to fight Muhammad Ali. I'd rather just learn what ever I can. Spar maybe but never be so stupid as to go in for the kill.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 31, 2013 - 04:39pm PT
hey mtlion go find someone else's leg to hump...

And NEVER bring my parents into YOUR bullshyt. Ill stomp you a "knew" azzhole. cyberly and litterally...
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 31, 2013 - 04:58pm PT
And NEVER bring my parents into YOUR bullshy

I agree, Ron

that was wrong

all of us do tend to insult others who we may disagree with, fine we are all thick skinned

but making up stuff about one's parents is flat wrong, that is over the line personal



wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 31, 2013 - 05:35pm PT
http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus

Which gov. agency denies CC?

Yep,there are none,cant find any.

Credit: wilbeer

You fellows get some consensus ,then get back to me.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
May 31, 2013 - 06:27pm PT
The Chief wrote:
With that said, I am outta here for a while. Heading up to some secret spots...

LOL!!!!!!!1111 Lines like that might work on the n00bs on summitpost, but I doubt too many here are impressed with your vast secret knowledge of the Sierra.

Tell the truth, are you really placing convenience anchors on the Mountaineer's route, like you did on North Peak?

Climb safe out there, OK?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 31, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
as will Westboro Baptist Church
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 1, 2013 - 02:23pm PT
If the sun happened to dip below all observed activity for any significant period of time, if this corresponded with a low in geomagnetic activity, and if we happened to be recipient of an unusually high Cr flux, well the results would be catastrophic truly. I appreciated all the corroborating articles/papers on my "intuition" of atmospheric changes doe to solar and extra solar energies in relation to magnetic variation, but i know you like a good argument and are likely to bait and switch, Ed.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 1, 2013 - 04:03pm PT
Rick! You forgot about me again. Do you realize the effect this is having on my self esteem?

If I was paranoid I might think that this is deliberate, that you no longer think addressing my questions and ideas is worthy of your valuable time. I won't pretend I can wrestle with you and ed on points of science but I hope you can still deign to lower your standards in my direction occasionally.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 3, 2013 - 08:33pm PT
Ed have you heard the latest breaking news on a study (peer reviewed) that shows even the IPCC scientists are now thinking that our atmosphere is FAR more resilient to green house gasses than thought even in last years reports? And that "black carbon" may be far more of an effect than CO2 which they now are BACKING AWAY from!??
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 3, 2013 - 09:24pm PT
and who is the author? Was it by any chance the esteemed Dr Sumner of the Sarah Palin Institute of Russian studies? Was it reviewed by his peers down at the Wassilla Bar and grill?

Forgive my pessimism Ron but your track record of citing credible sources is a bit suspect. for instance take your last cut and paste from that fellow Joe Martino. His blog site is an interesting study in just how far a guy can go in establishing "credibility" by sounding complex and learned. The only problem is his only claim to scientific training is a belief in creationism.

Which begs the question of you Ron - why do you trust a person like Joe Martino to interpret, critique and judge any science? What is your criteria for establishing a credible source for your information?









Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 3, 2013 - 10:35pm PT
They interviewed a scientist on the Tom Sullivan radio show today. As i was working i did not catch the names.. Its a fairly new paper, and they specifically stated peer reviewed.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 3, 2013 - 11:31pm PT
So Ron, just to be clear, you say you heard a person on a FOX radio show who is purported to be a scientist make a bunch of assertions about climate science, and you consider it worthy of your trust?

Do you listen to a lot of FOX NEWS while you work? If you are truly a rugged independent as you claim does that also mean you listen to an equal amount of NPR just to balance it out?

Even if you do, you may be a little alarmed to learn about this:

http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/knowless/


Now I'm not sure to what extent this was ever "peer reviewed" but it certainly got a lot of attention in the popular media at the time. I know that the extent of FOX's rebuttal was a claim that this particular University's claim to fame was as a party school. When I looked on line for more criticism the only one was The Blaze referencing "A Blogger".

Too bad you can't remember more. This could be a game changer.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 3, 2013 - 11:52pm PT
You seem unusually close lipped this evening Ron. Is everything OK?
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