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mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 21, 2013 - 10:23pm PT
Le Chef nope don't know Paul's Paradise but rescuing people is pretty cool...as for you Rong I don't think you reading comprehension skills are that finely tuned...and the evidence you post is just as unoriginal as mine except I post the links.

Humans are changing the planet and we have the opportunity to either do something about it (just like rescuing climbers) or do nothing...I want us to do something and quit arguing about the science which is showing that fossil fuels are heating our planet at an unprecedented rate.

As far as the tribe speaking--I know what they said because most of them don't have computers and climbed with me all the time. While one person did and took offense to how I portrayed his country and his technical climbing skills--I choose to repair that relationship. In fact I emailed you that I never contacted the U.S. Embassy, I was advised to tell that to people who may want to visit our country to prevent possible violence against me and my petite wife.

As far as being impressed I don't care what you think you don't matter in my life just as I don't matter in yours---and that is ok by me.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 21, 2013 - 10:28pm PT
More like this Kay.

McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
May 21, 2013 - 10:33pm PT
That was a good movie!
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 21, 2013 - 10:39pm PT
It wasn't a movie. It was my life for 24 years.

Now back to the business of the Dynamic Planet Earth and how many here think humans can control it.

I want us to do something and quit arguing about the science which is showing that fossil fuels are heating our planet at an unprecedented rate.

You drive a vehicle? You are here typing away aren't you. Well, start by ceasing your participation in both as they require fossil fuels in order to do em. Start at ground zero, yourself.
Burch3y

Mountain climber
San Diego
May 21, 2013 - 10:47pm PT
Chief!

So glad you're back. Vitaliy and I were just saying how boring it is without you around.

Incidentally, I called my old climbing buddy, and he said that this Knotts guy does not exist.

Out!
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 21, 2013 - 10:52pm PT
le Chef:

1) when has the earth warmed this fast in our planet's past?

2) what is the cause of this rapid rise if humans are not?

please provide SOURCES plural--coincidentally the source you provided on the last post said that the published article may have changes...
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 21, 2013 - 11:03pm PT
1) when has the earth warmed this fast in our planet's past?

Can I include the 4.6 Billion or so years. Or just the last 160 years. Think about that over night. 4.6 Billion years.

Edit.

Let's start with the last 65-6 million years shall we.


http://joannenova.com.au/2010/02/the-big-picture-65-million-years-of-temperature-swings/

Take a close look at the last half million years. Several times actually. Nothing new.
raymond phule

climber
May 21, 2013 - 11:20pm PT
Interesting, determining a rate of change over 10-100 years on a graph with a scale of millions of years. My calculations show that 100 years in your graph is about 0.001 inches. I would have thought that it is quite difficult to see differences that small.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 21, 2013 - 11:27pm PT
It wasn't a movie. It was my life for 24 years.

Nosh#t? That was you? Did you also star in this one?


Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
May 21, 2013 - 11:48pm PT
Hey, Chief nice to see you around. Were you climbing on Cardinal Pinnacle on Saturday by any chance? There was someone who looked like you.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 21, 2013 - 11:58pm PT
Black carbon, CO2, Nuclear war.... what difference does it make? Its all just a cog in the wheel of evolution and should be celebrated as such. As Chief Bottle Washer put it:

You believe in GCC and want to save the P-Bears. Then you must not believe in the law and science of EVOLUTION. Cus there is absolutely nothing in the law of Evolution that specifies nor limits the forcing of extinction.


no sane person would dare interfere with the laws of evolution. Mao sure didn't. When he saw a good chance for evolution to leap forward he put the hammer down. Stalin sure didn't flinch. Hitler built ovens specifically to advance the laws and science of evolution.

Real men dig evolution. With evolution on your side, failure is not an option!

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 22, 2013 - 12:44am PT
Has anyone checked into the role albedo change played in summer melt on Greenlands ice sheet due particulates from the coal burning power plants in easterm north america,England and the scandinavian countries that accumulated
over the industrial age-Ed
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 22, 2013 - 05:05am PT
Hey, Chief nice to see you around. Were you climbing on Cardinal Pinnacle on Saturday by any chance? There was someone who looked like you.

Negative. I was throwing flies in the Upper Box Lakes, Rock Creek. Catching 8-12" Brookies all day and had the place all to myself. Great Day actually.


Real men dig evolution. With evolution on your side, failure is not an option!

Then what is all this AGW/GCC squealing about. Allow it to take it's course. Humans are indeed a component of the system are they not?

Interesting, determining a rate of change over 10-100 years on a graph with a scale of millions of years. My calculations show that 100 years in your graph is about 0.001 inches. I would have thought that it is quite difficult to see differences that small.

Actually, in the scheme of things, it is not. We humans think that things go along at our pace of time and we should/can control that. We don't. Life on earth and throughout the Universe does not go according to human time values. Oh the egoism. University education does not deem you all powerful and controller. Just makes you another entity walking this planet no better than the other. None I tell you.




Mr.Sumner.

Yes on the Albedo and will post up some very interesting "data" and "research" that dismisses much of the "alrmist" squeals. Later. I am out the door to go see if Upper Horton Lakes are THAWED out yet to play with the Golden's. Will post up some pics of them pretty boys.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 22, 2013 - 05:15am PT
Thanks for the graphs Chief but I think the graph should be widened over the last half million years and broken down into segments of 10 years (over that time)---then we would be able to see how pronounced the spikes actually are---and also it is obvious if there is an event such as a meteor hitting the earth the climate changes very rapidly due to all the dust in the air.

Rick--it is obvious that the coal power plants in N. America and Scandinavia and in fact the whole world play a MAJOR role in ice melting--I did this experiment with young children at Montessori pre-school (a contract I had to perform science experiments once a week at the school). We used colored construction paper and magnifying glasses as well as a styrofoam cup. The experiment was to see how long it took for the magnifying glass to burn a hole through the paper--obviously dark black was almost instantaneous even for a child's dexterity using the lens--it got progressively harder until it was time for the styrofoam cup (also as the colors became closer to white the children began having trouble focusing the lens intensively enough due to their motor skills---Only I was able to focus the lens intensely enough for the lens to burn or melt the cup---try it yourself---their is a big difference between "gloss white" and "off white" as ice would be with silt on it.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 22, 2013 - 05:19am PT
Again Mountainlion, it does not matter the time frame. We humans can not fathom the ENTIRE history of this planet. Thus you deem it only a 160 years or so in order to plead your case. The latest verbiage I read is now "In our lifetime". That is not valid nor real. But do as you must to disseminate the bullshet fatalism. Remember, the Big Picture and scheme of things within the Universe is what matters. Not us.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 22, 2013 - 05:37am PT
I agree Chief--we are part of the planet and our effects must be considered now in evolution--Yes you are correct we can't stop evolution. You are also correct that we are no better than any other entity walking the planet we don't deserve to live any more than a fly deserves to.

Where I think you are wrong is how we act because of this. Using yourself as an example I imagine you are a very prepared individual when responding to a rescue--I bet you have practiced and have your gear ready in advance. WHY? Is it because a few minutes can make a big difference in the outcome?

This rock will be here long after we are gone and I agree with you WE WILL BE GONE but I still want to fight to prolong a high quality of life for future generations as long as possible. I am just one bug hitting a windshield but there are a lot of bugs and if you don't clean your windhield you won't be able to see through it.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 22, 2013 - 07:34am PT
Yes,, as i let the pooch out this am,on my boxers, a 30 degree breeze hit my nether regions... Brrrrrrr



Is the earth getting warmer? We should hope so for at least two reasons: First, the world emerged from the Little Ice Age in the 19th century, so it would be worrisome if it weren’t getting warmer. Second, all the history indicates that humans thrive more during warmer periods than colder ones. It is likely, though, that earth has warmed less than many official temperature records indicate for a variety of reasons, including: few long-term records from either the southern hemisphere or the 71 percent of the planet that is covered by water; distortions from the urban heat-island effect and other faulty siting (e.g., temperature sensors next to asphalt parking lots, etc.; the decline in weather station reports from Siberia after the fall of the Soviet government; the arbitrarily ceasing to include measurements from northern latitudes and high elevations, etc.) The most accurate measures of temperature come from satellites. Since the start of these measurements in 1979, they show minor fluctuations and an **insignificant net change in global temperature.
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Is the earth getting dangerously warm? Probably not, since the earth was warmer than it is now in 7000 of the last 10,000 years. By the way, does anybody know what the “right” amount of global heat is?

Are we humans causing the warming by our carbon emissions? Actually, most of the “greenhouse effect” is due to water vapor, which makes one wonder why the EPA hasn’t designated H2O a harmful pollutant that they must regulate. Meteorologist Brian Sussman’s calculations in his book “Climategate” show humanity’s share of the greenhouse effect as .9 of 1 percent.

It’s even possible that CO2 may not affect global warming at all. During many stretches of planetary history, there has been no correlation between the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere and global temperature. In other long stretches, the variations of the two factors followed a significant sequence: increases in CO2 followed increases in warmth by several centuries. You don’t need to have a degree in climate science to know that, in a temporal universe, cause does not follow its effect.

Even global warming alarmists have tacitly conceded that CO2 is not the primary driver of climate change when they responded to the relative cooling in recent years by changing their story and telling us that the earth is likely to cool for a few decades in spite of still-increasing atmospheric CO2. Translation: other factors outweigh CO2 in their impact on global temperatures. Those other factors include variations in solar activity (accounting for 3/4 of the variability in earth’s temperature according to the Marshall Institute); changes in earth’s orbit and axis; albedo (reflectivity, meaning changes in cloud cover which are influenced by fluctuations in gamma ray activity); and volcanic and tectonic activity in the earth’s crust. For humans to presume that they are more than a gnat on an elephant’s rump in terms of impact on climate change is vain and delusive.
raymond phule

climber
May 22, 2013 - 07:34am PT

Actually, in the scheme of things, it is not. We humans think that things go along at our pace of time and we should/can control that. We don't. Life on earth and throughout the Universe does not go according to human time values. Oh the egoism. University education does not deem you all powerful and controller. Just makes you another entity walking this planet no better than the other. None I tell you.

Why did you quote me and then write something completely irrelevant to what you did quote?





Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 22, 2013 - 07:51am PT
ML - you must understand that The Chief, through his vast and all encompassing direct involvement in extremely vital and important sh#t, is tuned into the great blue yonder far more than you or I can even begin to fathom. nor obviously is it possible to articulate. Without an equal base of experience in the film industry we are incapable of grasping the simple profundities hidden behind the deliberate CAGW alarmist smoke screen designed for the sole purpose of bleeding pensioners bank accounts dry.

But all is not lost. Submit and seek redemption. Empty your mind and follow, especially when yelled at. If only we could all just accept that we are the ground crew for those for whom failure is not an option we may yet eventually understand the law and science of evolution.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 22, 2013 - 08:06am PT
ctically everything you have been told by the mainstream scientific community and the media about the alleged detriments of greenhouse gases, and particularly carbon dioxide, appears to be false, according to new data compiled by NASA's Langley Research Center. As it turns out, all those atmospheric greenhouse gases that Al Gore and all the other global warming hoaxers have long claimed are overheating and destroying our planet are actually cooling it, based on the latest evidence.

As reported by Principia Scientific International (PSI), Martin Mlynczak and his colleagues over at NASA tracked infrared emissions from the earth's upper atmosphere during and following a recent solar storm that took place between March 8-10. What they found was that the vast majority of energy released from the sun during this immense coronal mass ejection (CME) was reflected back up into space rather than deposited into earth's lower atmosphere.

The result was an overall cooling effect that completely contradicts claims made by NASA's own climatology division that greenhouse gases are a cause of global warming. As illustrated by data collected using Sounding of the Atmosphere using Broadband Emission Radiometry (SABER), both carbon dioxide (CO2) and nitric oxide (NO), which are abundant in the earth's upper atmosphere, greenhouse gases reflect heating energy rather than absorb it.


Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/040448_solar_radiation_global_warming_debunked.html#ixzz2U2BYNnyG
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