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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 15, 2013 - 12:18am PT
Rick heres the highlights of the article you linked.


Highlights
► Changes in global atmospheric CO2 are lagging 11–12 months behind changes in global sea surface temperature. ► Changes in global atmospheric CO2 are lagging 9.5–10 months behind changes in global air surface temperature. ► Changes in global atmospheric CO2 are lagging about 9 months behind changes in global lower troposphere temperature. ► Changes in ocean temperatures explain a substantial part of the observed changes in atmospheric CO2 since January 1980. ► Changes in atmospheric CO2 are not tracking changes in human emissions.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 15, 2013 - 12:37am PT
Well excuse me Christ, i misread and didn't see the "stable" in your stable isotopes.

Yes Ron that's the one. I couldn't access the whole paper, though the abstract seemed pretty clear. It would take the whole piece and data for the purpose of refutation. But with these guys,here and in the CAGW community, source alone is purpose for exclusion.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 15, 2013 - 12:50am PT
"Lagging"

They (AGWers) all just seem to not want to accept that behavior in the C02. But then why would they. It totally counters their original premise/forcing.


I presented more clear evidence of this occurring Rick. Did you see the responses? Denial and total deflection.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 15, 2013 - 12:52am PT
I posted a study earlier about water vapor being far more influential than CO2 in varying temps. The article you referenced Rick, seems to validate that a bit more.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Jun 15, 2013 - 12:54am PT
We all know that with the many surface tests of atomic weapons from the 1940's to 1970's the isotopic signature records were screwed from then on Dr. Christ.
What a moron.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 15, 2013 - 01:00am PT
Here is an article, the likes of which would make old Mutt Face weep. You guys already read it, but weep again.

Yeah i did see it Chief. There is no limit to their narrow minded denialism. Oh the horror of it all, what our universities are producing.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013/05/26/to-the-horror-of-global-warming-alarmists-global-cooling-is-here/2/
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 15, 2013 - 01:07am PT
well it was 40 here this am Rick,, i had a thick shirt on working! Ol Max the parrot was puffed up like a green soft ball. Pretty sure i heard her mutter global warming myasssquawk!
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 15, 2013 - 01:11am PT
From another article. Rick. Same source.

The Theory of Man Caused Catastrophic Global Warming

This same practice of Lysenkoism has long been under way in western science in regard to the politically correct theory of man caused, catastrophic, global warming. That theory serves the political fashions of the day in promoting vastly increased government powers and control over the private economy. Advocates of the theory are lionized in the dominant Democrat party controlled media in the U.S., and in leftist controlled media in other countries. Critics of the theory are denounced as “deniers,” and even still bourgeois fascists, with their motives impugned.

Those who promote the theory are favored with billions from government grants and neo-Marxist environmentalist largesse, and official recognition and award. Faked and tampered data and evidence has arisen in favor of the politically correct theory. Is not man-caused, catastrophic global warming now the only theory allowed to be taught in schools in the West?

Those in positions of scientific authority in the West who have collaborated with this new Lysenkoism because they felt they must be politically correct, and/or because of the money, publicity, and recognition to be gained, have disgraced themselves and the integrity of their institutions, organizations and publications.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013/04/28/the-disgraceful-episode-of-lysenkoism-brings-us-global-warming-theory/


Looks like my observations are quote obvious and seen by many others.

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 15, 2013 - 01:23am PT
Yeah Chief, there buffoonery is well recognized by all but the most hard core of believers. It won't be long now. Their will be quite a need for post partum self abortion prevention hot lines. Hey Bruce-it looks like if you adapt you could have a bright future in the counciling biz.

I had a good day paddling the kayak with the wife on Rye Patch, Ron. Temps out there were in the 60's.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jun 15, 2013 - 01:23am PT
So you want us to read Forbes Magazine? Read this instead folks. Especially read the summary at the end. Fred singer shows up again. I recognized the bullshit in Rick's Forbes link so I looked into it;

http://profmandia.wordpress.com/2011/02/16/forbes-magazine-wrong-is-right/

Yer putting on a good show with your circus act Rick.......It's circus, not science.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 15, 2013 - 01:26am PT
some GWer blogsite?? pfffffft....
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jun 15, 2013 - 01:30am PT
That does not take away what Fred Singer is and the tabloid that Forbes is. Forbes should be ashamed to publish that trash.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 15, 2013 - 01:31am PT
Sorry McHale-can't read it because its not on the "approved source" list.It's all entertainment McHale.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jun 15, 2013 - 01:32am PT
You just keep getting educated your way - see if I f*#king care.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 15, 2013 - 02:00am PT
Here is a climate change debate (from a non approved source) from a link off the Chief's last post.It's all entertainment gents.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2gXv3GH3Us

McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jun 15, 2013 - 02:32am PT
You've mentioned that you are 'entertaining' us in 2 of your posts now. Is that how you cloak your stupidity, by calling it entertainment? I'm game if you want to rate ALL of your posts as entertainment. I certainly would.

I watched 40 minutes of your link there. So that's the Tayler that writes for Forbes - we learn he's with the Heartland Institute, and so far in the video, he mentions only one scientist at least twice - for moral for support, and that's Willie Soon! Clowns all around:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Willie_Soon

This is pretty entertaining alright!
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 15, 2013 - 02:51am PT
Here is some support (once again from non approved sources)for the phase relation paper i linked above which also contains some additional information on the history of scientific opinion about CO2's capacity as a GHG.It's got to be entertainment McHale, in the sense that a scientist knowledgable of the subject could not possibly believe in the catastrophic story, so therefore are testing our gullibility.

http://principia-scientific.org/supportnews/latest-news/135-atmospheric-co2-not-linked-to-humans-says-global-and-planetary-journal.html

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/53345
raymond phule

climber
Jun 15, 2013 - 03:10am PT

Ed, Chief, Ron,Bruce, etc. read this paper to see if you get this interpretation.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/s0921818112001658

I haven't read the paper but you haven't neither so that is of course no problem.

Strange, you guys have in the passed claimed over and over again that there is no correlation between CO2 and temperature (at least not the last 15 years) but when an article come to your preferred conclusion when claiming that there is a correlation with a time lag you seem to immediately take that article as the truth.

There conclusions is just strange because the CO2 data looks deterministic with a constant rate with a periodic component. Better correlation with a much more variable signal than with a constant signal?

I have skimmed the article and they calculate correlations between the differential of the signals involved. So the main trend of the rising CO2 concentration is not included in the analysis. That small changes in the CO2 concentration depends on the temperature is of course not strange or new.

Here is a refutation that concludes the same thing as I did.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921818113000908

They remove the linear trends and they compare the CO2 concentration with the rate of human released CO2 instead of the cumulative CO2 released.

and here is another comment
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921818113000891
From the author of
http://troyca.wordpress.com/2012/08/31/comment-on-the-phase-relation-between-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide-and-global-temperature/
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 15, 2013 - 08:34am PT
The C02 is LAGGING. Has done so all along. Raising Temps come a long time prior to the rise in C02. C02 follows. Each and every time.

Thus this entire issue is completely MOOT. Regardless the amount of FF generated C02 that is pumped into the atmosphere. You can not have it both ways. The Universe disallows it. It will prevail. Regardless if man is left standing or not.




EDIT.


WILBEER.

I am off in search for these boys. Science has yet to fuk with em. Heard of a very special locale where they still frolic, have done so for a longass time, without science interrupting their lives.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Jun 15, 2013 - 08:43am PT
http://climate.nasa.gov/blog/438

Even wry comedy can be added to the deniers "moot" points .

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