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wilbeer

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honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 30, 2013 - 01:45pm PT
http://explore.glacierworks.org/#glaciers/compare-photos
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
May 30, 2013 - 01:53pm PT
the oldest life form known on this rock is,, the tadpole shrimp i believe. 220 million years old

Stromatolites. Way WAY WAY older. Think billions, not millions.

DMT
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 30, 2013 - 01:57pm PT
guess i should have specified actual living creature- animal type life, not organisms fossilized.;-)
raymond phule

climber
May 30, 2013 - 02:00pm PT

Just out. The REALITY vs. The Fairy Tales.

You posted a figure to show that Lindzen's prediction was incorrect?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 30, 2013 - 02:03pm PT
Oldest living life?

ONE BILLION YEARS

The billion year old protozoan has been known to exist only in one small part of a lake in Ås Norway 30 kilometers south of Oslo since 1865 but has not been classified or completely analyzed until now due to the limitations of technology.

This life form is distinctively different from any other plant, animal, or any other form of life presently known and incorporates some of the attributes of both plant and animal cells. The organism has been given a new branch called Collodictyon in the "Tree of Life" due to the protozoa's unique characteristics.

The protozoan has a nucleus, consumes green algae, is cannibalistic, and has four flagella.

The implications of this discovery cannot be overstated. This is the world’s oldest life form that is still living today. This life form is one billion years old. Both plant and animal portions of the protozoa's genome have been shown to exist.
http://www.examiner.com/article/oldest-life-form-on-earth-found-norway
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
May 30, 2013 - 02:06pm PT
Oldest and still living life form: Cyanobacteria -up to 3.5 billion years old
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanobacteria
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 30, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
damn!

but my protozoan can eat your bacteria, take that!
raymond phule

climber
May 30, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
http://www.skepticalscience.com/comparing-global-temperature-predictions.html

The proof that The Chief neither tries to read the blogs that he take figures from, care about the source of his information or tries to understand the meaning of the figure?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 30, 2013 - 02:13pm PT
actually seems the Nautilus and lamprey eel are 500+ million years old so its NOT the tadpole shrimp .
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 30, 2013 - 02:14pm PT
we are now at 3.5 billion years, ron
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 30, 2013 - 02:16pm PT
You posted a figure to show that Lindzen's prediction was incorrect?

As are ALL the others. Every last one of em.



Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 30, 2013 - 02:19pm PT
Norton perhaps you missed it but im talking about actual functioning animal forms, NOT those to be seen from a microscope such as organisms... Like the Jelly fish for example, some 500 million years old as well.

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 30, 2013 - 02:23pm PT
no, I don't believe I missed anything, Ron

you started this by saying "life form", and nowhere until now are you saying "animal"

here is your original:
the oldest life form known on this rock is

big big difference between oldest animal and oldest life form, eh?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
May 30, 2013 - 02:24pm PT
http://www.desmogblog.com/nicola-scafetta

The Chief's source, Scafetta (author of the Harmonic moodel), debunked here:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/11/a-phenomenological-sequel/
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 30, 2013 - 02:24pm PT
The proof that The Chief neither tries to read the blogs that he take figures from, care about the source of his information or tries to understand the meaning of the figure?

Negative. Just an addition to my claim that ALL the modelling is inaccurate. ALL. But you of course need to redirect that reality to something far more obscure. Consistent with the tactics. Consistent.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 30, 2013 - 02:26pm PT
Norton get some glasses. as in the next post down or so i further qualify the statement. BURP....! freekin cherry picker anyhoo..;-)
raymond phule

climber
May 30, 2013 - 02:27pm PT
As are ALL the others. Every last one of em.

No you posted a figure that showed that all mainstream predictions except one from 79 where pretty accurate while the predictions from "sceptics" where pretty bad. Sad that you don't even know what you post.
raymond phule

climber
May 30, 2013 - 02:34pm PT

Just an addition to my claim that ALL the modelling is inaccurate. ALL.

A model can be good even though it doesn't predict accurately with 5 decimals.

Do you know that it exist no model of for example an airplane that is good enough to predict the behavior of the airplane completely accurate but that we anyway can model and understand airplane behavior good enough to build and operate them?


But you of course need to redirect that reality to something far more obscure. Consistent with the tactics. Consistent.

I have absolutely no idea what you mean with that.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 30, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
And a big round of applause to the Chief who patiently brings to our attention the reality of observations vz the fiction of the models.
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
May 30, 2013 - 02:38pm PT
Definition of ANIMAL
1: any of a kingdom (Animalia) of living things including many-celled organisms and often many of the single-celled ones (as protozoans) that typically differ from plants in having cells without cellulose walls, in lacking chlorophyll and the capacity for photosynthesis, in requiring more complex food materials (as proteins), in being organized to a greater degree of complexity, and in having the capacity for spontaneous movement and rapid motor responses to stimulation

Looks like the protozoan is considered an animal.
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