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Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Aug 25, 2013 - 03:17pm PT
You can't reason with a 5 year old, no matter what their birth year is.
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Aug 25, 2013 - 07:22pm PT
Here's some free ammunition for wRONg and other on the opposition team. From News of the Weird:

British birdwatchers were especially excited by news earlier this year that a rare White-throated Needletail (the world's fastest flying bird) had been spotted on the U.K.'s Isles of Harris -- only the eighth such sighting in Britain in 170 years -- and ornithologists arranged for an expedition that attracted birdwatchers from around the world. A June report in the Daily Telegraph noted that about 80 people were on the scene when the bird appeared again, but then had to watch it fly straight toward the blades of a wind turbine. (As the event might be described by Monty Python, the bird thus joined the choir invisible, left this mortal coil, became an ex-White-throated Needletail.) [Daily Telegraph, 6-27-2013]
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 25, 2013 - 09:36pm PT
Those are deadliest hurricanes, Chief. What an idiot.

Sandy wasn't called a superstorm for nothing.

We are able to give extensive evacuation warnings now.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 25, 2013 - 09:42pm PT
Duh, that's what I'm trying to tell ya Chief. Try to focus.

Deaths don't really mean much today with our forecasting abilities.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 25, 2013 - 09:47pm PT
Does SuperStorm Sandy mean anything to you Chief?

It was a combination of events that worked together to form one of the largest financial loss storms in history.

2nd largest financial loss, with Katrina being the largest. Both early in the 21st century.

Yep, Bharata, NYC does not get a lot of damaging hurricanes.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 25, 2013 - 09:52pm PT
And you are so positive about that? LOL.

The Alberta disaster this year was also a 'perfect storm' of events.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Aug 25, 2013 - 09:54pm PT
Fallacy of logic....
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 25, 2013 - 09:57pm PT
Chase yer tail much?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 25, 2013 - 10:20pm PT
Yes, you can't prove exactly what mix of conditions causes a hurricane, a twister, a heat wave here of there, a coldspell here or there, so who in their right mind could prove CC and it's exact causes. Makes you wonder doesn't it? What an arrogant scam CAGW is!

Oh, and your reply post of this morning Ed- what a crock of shet, except for good science being able to make true predictions of the physical world. An ability most lacking in the majority if not entirety of CAGW science. So let's cut through the b.s. and talk about science that actually has a track record of true predictions.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 25, 2013 - 10:37pm PT
O.K., please make us some near term (1-2 year) predictions based upon what you consider the best available climate science. Then we can compare it to predictions of the same term from the guys on the other side of the fence. Your guys are now calling it "Climate Change", so what are the near term changes?

Let's drop the "political beliefs" and call it what it is- philosophical beliefs. Politics is the practice and advancement of a philosophy among other things.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 25, 2013 - 10:47pm PT
They say we are in the midst of anthropogenic climate change, do they not? So once again please drop the b.s. and let's here how your guys expect this change to manifest itself over the next few years. You, better than anyone here can understand the twisted, contorted logic, values, predictions of "The Science", so let's here it. The claim that you cannot discern the changes until long after we are all dead and stinky just doesn't cut it.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 25, 2013 - 10:49pm PT

Politics is the practice and advancement of a philosophy among other things.

So is Science!

You guys are fun to watch
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Aug 25, 2013 - 11:08pm PT
Sorry Chief but the hurricane or tropical storm that hit Galveston caused so much damage due to the bulk of the population living on a sand bar with inadequate or non-existent sea walls...in addition the population on the island were ill prepared for any natural disaster as it was a resort city...just a recollection from my elementary school years as I was an avid reader like you...

how is that exercise routine going? Have you started? Good Luck it is hard to have 10 extra lbs. weighing you down...did you know 1 lb of fat contains 30 miles of capillaries? It's hard for the heart to pump enough oxygen to the brain to think clearly with 10 lbs of fat to pump through first...get off your ass and get in shape!!!
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 25, 2013 - 11:19pm PT
I'm a bit disadvantaged in that my two and a half tall pile of papers are in Ak and i'm currently in NV. However, i remember the science and scientists that i derive my expectations of future climate from to an extent. Based on what i have read and have the capability to understand clear predictions can be made. You see, these climate scientists that i have confidence in don't make their papers deliberately nebulous or their predicted course of events so far in the future that none of us alive today will be alive to fact check. Based upon the works of Easterbrook,Gray, Abdussmatov, Svensmark, and non peer reviewed works of Bastardi, i made a few predictions last spring. If you care to check you will see that their was an expectation for recovery of Arctic sea ice this year and into the future. I also predicted, based upon farmer's planting news, that there might be a bad harvest and shortages this year in northern hemisphere crops. The first prediction is so far accurate. The second looks less so because of great growing conditions due to plentiful rainfall, increased co2, and a moderate if late summer in the lower midwest. The jury is still out in the upper midwest and canadian bread basket as the harvest quantity is dependent upon the remaining growing days. Now what besides an ice free arctic, increased tornadic activity, increased and more severe hurricane season, record heat waves vastly outpacing cold weather, did your guys predict for this and near term years?
command error

Trad climber
Colorado
Aug 25, 2013 - 11:24pm PT
We climbers know better than most that when you do stuff wrong
bad things happen. Making excuses sucks.

Credit: command error

jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Aug 26, 2013 - 01:52am PT
Well, here's part of the problem anyway.

http://www.mynews4.com/news/local/story/Locals-protest-chemtrails-citing-patents-as/FtfIh2K8gUuCcI1j5qUIug.cspx

Seriously, there's an actual f-ng patent on that?
Sorry, didn't mean to divert the real science.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 26, 2013 - 11:29am PT
Even your own graph, Chief shows the declining sea ice extent. One year doesn't make a trend, idiot.

One year doesn't make a trend, idiot.
One year doesn't make a trend, idiot.
One year doesn't make a trend, idiot.
One year doesn't make a trend, idiot.
One year doesn't make a trend, idiot.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 26, 2013 - 11:33am PT
Dumbass, I'm not claiming this season is a decline in extent.

The 201x's average so far is well below the 200x's average.

The 201x's average so far is just above the 2011 blue line.

Notice the trend or do you need it spoon fed to you like a baby?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 26, 2013 - 12:15pm PT
Fortmental is talking about volume, not area, Chief.

You are frighteningly dumb.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 26, 2013 - 12:30pm PT
^^baffling^^

It's sad when you keep doubling down on stupidity.
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