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blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
May 21, 2013 - 04:56pm PT
Hard to get a word in edgewise here, but I have a question for some of the more recently active alarmists:
What are the grounds for your contention that the big oil companies are somehow tricking the public regarding global warming?

I just looked the position of the the two (by far) largest US oil companies.
If they're trying to trick the public into thinking that climate change isn't happening and/or that human release of CO2 isn't related, they are doing either the world's worst job or have some brilliant second-level psychological operation going on.

http://www.chevron.com/globalissues/climatechange/
http://www.exxonmobil.com/Corporate/safety_climate_mgmt.aspx

For example, from ExxonMobil:
Rising greenhouse-gas emissions pose significant risks to society and ecosystems. Since most of these emissions are energy-related, any integrated approach to meeting the world’s growing energy needs over the coming decades must incorporate strategies to address the risk of climate change.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 21, 2013 - 05:08pm PT
blah blah it is well documented how the large oil companies have suppressed other renewable energy sources for several decades.

Perhaps most significantly they were successful in making mass transit the least desirable option (if it an option at all in most cities) in the U.S..

Cars were marketed in a way that makes it seem as if everybody HAS to have one and what do you know---today you do have to have one. That isn't the case in most areas of the world.

I find it hard to believe that you don't understand how big oil is able to shape the debate---only recently have they made an effort to be environmentally conscious but even that is a FACADE. They don't want the world to stop using their product until/unless they are in control of what we use next. (that is why we don't have solar panels on roofs nationwide). Instead energy companies want large fields they own to be the spout for renewable energy.

Even a 3rd world country like the Philippines has better public transportaion than the U.S. and there are several forms of it---You don't need a car to live or travel there (in fact most don't have cars).

Ron any citation of the radio program or professor???
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 21, 2013 - 05:10pm PT
Just the very tip of the melting iceberg
http://www.nationofchange.org/koch-exxon-funded-scientist-challenged-students-climate-denial-event-1365601643










Shall i continue,http://heartland.org














http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2010/02/climate-denial-still-brought-you-exxonmobil
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 21, 2013 - 05:26pm PT
NORTON: "WHEN were CO2 levels higher in the past....


I did not know that CO2 levels were higher at any time in history than now?"


Read and heed, all of you.

Various proxy measurements have been used to attempt to determine atmospheric carbon dioxide levels millions of years in the past. These include boron and carbon isotope ratios in certain types of marine sediments, and the number of stomata observed on fossil plant leaves. While these measurements give much less precise estimates of carbon dioxide concentration than ice cores, there is evidence for very high CO2 volume concentrations between 200 and 150 Ma of over 3,000 ppm and between 600 and 400 Ma of over 6,000 ppm.[7] In more recent times, atmospheric CO2 concentration continued to fall after about 60 Ma. About 34 Ma, the time of the Eocene–Oligocene extinction event and when the Antarctic ice sheet started to take its current form, CO2 is found to have been about 760 ppm,[45] and there is geochemical evidence that volume concentrations were less than 300 ppm by about 20 Ma. Carbon dioxide decrease, with a tipping point of 600 ppm, was the primary agent forcing Antarctic glaciation.[46] Low CO2 concentrations may have been the stimulus that favored the evolution of C4 plants, which increased greatly in abundance between 7 and 5 Ma.


In billion-year timescales it is predicted that plant, and therefore animal, life on land will die off altogether as by that time most of the remaining carbon in the atmosphere will be sequestered underground and natural releases of CO2 by radioactivity-driven tectonic activity will have continued to slow down.[47] The loss of plant life would also result in the eventual loss of oxygen. Some microbes are capable of photosynthesis at concentrations of CO2 of a few parts per million and so the last life forms would probably disappear finally due to the rising temperatures and loss of the atmosphere when the sun becomes a red giant some four-billion years from now.[48]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere

Read the last paragraph Wessh#t, Chiloe, Mountainlion and the rest of your ecofreak sheepheads. Regardless the amount of C02 we humans pump into the atmosphere, eventually the planet will shed itself of ALL plant life. NOT from too much C02. Rather from NOT ENOUGH as it will all be sucked up by the earth itself and the plant life will all go with it. When that occurs, say bye bye to all the 02. Evolution at it's best. The Universe kicking some ass as it does so well infinitely.

MONOLITH: No, Ron, the polar bear is suffering from climate change and will suffer more when the ice disappears. They will become a land based bear, hybridizing more with other land based bears. Eventually they will lose their pure white fur, because it is a disadvantage on land. We will then have lost the traditional polar bear.

It's called evolution, remember. You do remember that component of science, don't you. "We" have no say in how evolution plays out other than to partake in it. Millions of species have come and gone long before you college educated dumbass humanoids showed up. We too will do the same eventually. Evolution. Remember it. It prevails here on earth and will do so long after you sorry asses are gone. Thank you Universe.

WESCHRIST, I pray for your mother and father. That the Gods of the infinite Universe do not make them suffer too much for having had sex and then given birth to your sorry repulsive useless unemployed ass. I imagine them having to deal with you till the day you left the barn may have been sufficient. But then that too is evolution. Creating buffoons such as yourself that don't even climb and live off the peoples taxes/welfare. Bum at best.

CHILOE: You, DRF and ED are complete scamwads. G-MEN making your living off this giant bullshit hoax of GCC. All three hypocrites. All three shameless and no different than any politician that scams their constituents day in and day with complete BS. Liars and beyond losers, ED. My four dogs individually have far more honor than the three of you combined.

MONOLITH & WILBEER One word... WEAK. So very WEAK! Sheepheads at best.

Thank God for CC. It will only expedite the removal of you ego plagued self-centered college educated humanoids from the planet. Couldn't happen any faster.

Off I go in my F-150, spewing tons more C02 into the air to find some Yellow Legged Mountain Frogs and then BBQ em for my dogs to enjoy. Then I will return to them lakes and plant Rainbow, German Brown, Brookies and CO Cut's back into all them lakes you G-Men Bio's killed off in order to play God and planted them YLMF's in.

Sucka's!

EDIT:

NORTON Get for gods sake get a real bike would ya. Norton Commado's are a dime a dozen. Get one of these and be somebody.

Irving-Vincent Datona1600
rSin

Trad climber
calif
May 21, 2013 - 05:34pm PT
do you know what 'Ma' refers to in the cite your contexting chief?
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
May 21, 2013 - 05:36pm PT
Knotts is gone, and "The Chief" is back right where knots left off

welcome back Chief yappy dog

Why do right wingers hate environmental protection, and saving cute little animals, like frogs
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 21, 2013 - 05:36pm PT
One Word ,Weak ,so very weak.

I see ya skipped math class to.Rick.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 21, 2013 - 05:40pm PT
KNOTT"S is gone and suddenly THE CHEF returns!!! I say CHEF cause he's gonna cook some yellow legged tree frogs for his dogs!! Eat a few for me chief as long as your getting them from Williamson Rocks --hopefully they arrest your ass, fine you, and take the gear used to capture the tree frogs---even though I always have thought it BS we can't climb Williamson because of the YLTF.

Where have you been trapped in a YELLOW SUBMARINE???

rSin

Trad climber
calif
May 21, 2013 - 05:42pm PT
williamson eh?!?!?

damn, we had to suffer alot of turds up there...

so many in fact
ive gone over to supporting the frogs
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 21, 2013 - 05:46pm PT
rSin---I never got to climb at Williamson because of the closure...but it looks like amazing granite!!
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 21, 2013 - 05:49pm PT
Why do right wingers hate environmental protection, and saving cute little animals, like frogs

Cus you eco ego infested bio sh#t wads went and terminated well over 100K Rainbows, Brookies, German Browns and CO Cutthroats in over 16 lakes in order to try and reinvent the wheel. Plant them YLMF. All when there were plenty available lakes adjacent to them lakes that were completely void of them trout.

Craig, you aint protecting sh#t. Just your sorry self-centered ego.

rSin---I never got to climb at Williamson because of the closure...but it looks like amazing granite!!

BS. It's full of chiseled & glued on holds as well as tons of climber sh#t. Went up there several times back in the mid 90's only to find human turds in the creek. Talk about left wing save the enviro hypocrites.
rSin

Trad climber
calif
May 21, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
it was,
down at the london wall there was this spur of the hill which tapered in
there was an old wine bottle laying there in the old needles
musta been decades old

we developed all that place for years on end and still that bottle sat there,

watching us come and go


one day it wasnt there and i noticed
next thing i knew the signs said id be shot for pulling over anywhere you could get a look at that rock


all those bolts are 3 plus inchers
more than three quarters are half inchers as well

if i was concerned about hiking in to send a line there

i wouldnt be concerned about the fixed gear

:D

rSin

Trad climber
calif
May 21, 2013 - 05:56pm PT
so the wheel started right after stocking streams was invented?!?!?!?


jezusssssss, help me gezuses
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 21, 2013 - 05:56pm PT
Cus you eco ego infested bio sh#t wads

nice to have you back, The Chief

so how is being Navy retired and living on a fixed income coming along?

when you were posting previously you expressed concern that one of your objections to all this climate change stuff was that you personally might someday maybe have to pay a "carbon tax"

have you been saving up for that day Chief?

cutting back on coffee a little every day?

and Chief, yes I really really like that bike, is it yours?

and don't go bad mouthing Norton Commandos, you know damn well they still be manly beasts

photo not found
Missing photo ID#303970
rSin

Trad climber
calif
May 21, 2013 - 06:09pm PT
if you know the san gabriels
you know that the wall behind nortons bike was probably built by prisoner labor

those beautiful stone cobbel walls are capped by mortar
and if you walked along them

you get to read a long littancy of names and dates
and other bit trivia

which the men in chains who built them

got the odd chance to scratch into their work

when the f*#ks with gun in uniform
were looking the other way

wheres that pic taken norton?


The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 21, 2013 - 06:10pm PT
Nope. One day when I win the lotto. Only four of em produced. $46K ea. Bad to the bone.

Here's a better shot and the motor.



I have Serial #3 of 5 special editions of this 2008 XB12SCGR V-Twin 1203cc 148HP beast. She was the precursor design to the now 1190RS V-Twin 175 HP. Does she ever spew C02 into the atmosphere at full throttle, roughly at 146-150 mph.


rSin

Trad climber
calif
May 21, 2013 - 06:15pm PT
note the shopping list
of the guy who "thinks hes poor"
whenever the substance of the news is addressed
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
May 21, 2013 - 06:30pm PT
Well it's nice to see that Dr. F has been 100% right when it comes to sussing out the imposters

I can see BS a mile away, and these guys just reek of it
rSin

Trad climber
calif
May 21, 2013 - 06:37pm PT
filth is always easy to discern today
envy funneled toward a brand
of a product
of a particular something

youd never notice you needed
without marketting
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 06:43pm PT
rsin,,,the new "rainman" of ST? ^^^^^^^"Im an excellent driver,, yur shorts are on the highway"..
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