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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 29, 2013 - 04:43pm PT
and while im on the subject of ECO groups,, guess who does the MOST actual good for the flora and fuana here in the US and many other countries?

Peta? Nooo

EarthFirst? nawwww

SaveDaWhales? nyet..

I hate to say it but we recently saw a good example of many an eco group here on ST. When someone wanted donations to go swim with sharks or whales to help "bring awareness" to their plights. Needed like 6K of which 2k went to the fund for whatever purpose that is. The rest was to finance the trip. That UNFORTUNATELY is status quo for many eco orgs. Ive seen it first hand many times.

So who again is the strongest eco group going for dem aneemules??


Safari Club International,
Bighorn Sheep Unlimited
Rock Mtn Elk Foundation
Mule deer forever chapters
Ducks Unlimited
Quail Unlimited
National Wild Turkey foundation
Pheasants Forever
and about fifty other large organizations across the country ,, thats who.

From transplanting and purchasing of animals from even Canada and other countries to wetlands and habitat enchantments they by FAR are the CONSERVATION leaders. F-A-K-T.. Formed by HUNTERS money,, yes those evil hunters..

edit: Degaine,, tell the Nile crocodile that prevailing is strictly a human notion. Or tell the tadpole shrimp,, hes only been around 220 million years.

Trad climber
May 29, 2013 - 04:45pm PT
Good one Degaine you out chiefed the chief with "the universe is neither good nor bad it only is, prevailing is an entirely human concept"

Love it!!!

How about it Chief Admit your a BLEEDING HEART ECO WARRIOR!!

You can do it you don't even like the right wing so called friends you have so who cares what they think...I doubt they even climb so they will never know you do all the wonderful conservation things you DO!!

Your silence has let me know this is a FACT Jack...otherwise why would you call your dog a HEALER, how come you have bigger fly's to tie, etc etc

May 29, 2013 - 04:51pm PT
wbraun wrote:
Oh yes it does.

Prove it.

wbraun wrote:
We are all part parcel of it.

I did not write otherwise. Of course we're all part of the universe. My atoms aren't going anywhere. Before they formed to become me they were off being part of something else, in 40-60 years they'll stop being me and go off to be a part of something else.

wbraun wrote:
So You don't care because you are an ignorant scientist and make up sh!t in your fertile brain.

One, don't care about what? Life? The Earth? My family? About those three, of course I care.

Two, I'm not a scientist, never claimed to be. You're the one making sh#t up.

wbraun wrote:
There's no intelligence here.

Just stooopid opinions.

Unlike you, the chief and a few others, I've never claimed to be intelligent. The only thing I know is that I know nothing, and even that I stole from someone else.

Gym climber
May 29, 2013 - 04:56pm PT
The only thing I know is that I know nothing, and even that I stole from someone else.

Good one!

Trad climber
May 29, 2013 - 05:08pm PT
Love it Degaine!! be forewarned Werner rides the fence two days ago he would have readily agreed with you...we give him a break because he is a stupid american BLEEDING HEART for NATURE!!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 29, 2013 - 05:15pm PT
Rain Forest "Scientist" : we could loose 50 thousand species to GLOBAL WARMING!

reporter: What Species??

RF Scientist: We havent found them yet so we dont know!

reporter: (thinking to himself whut duh puck?)

much like Nancy Pelosi : We need to pass the bill to see whats in it"...???
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
May 29, 2013 - 05:53pm PT
.we give him a break

Nobody gets any breaks around here


Trad climber
May 29, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
Don't try to fool us with a post about Nancy Pelosi--Ron you are an eco-warrior your HEART BLEEDS FOR NATURE!!

you rattle off 10-12 wildlife organizations (some of which I had never heard of)...wildlife flora and fauna has been your profession since you were 11!!!

Admit you are on this thread for entertainment!! you are just trolling along an internet river...

Admit you cook on an open fire at least once every week and probably more!!


Social climber
the Wastelands
May 29, 2013 - 06:03pm PT
well Ron, you have repeatedly brought up that quote by House Minority Leader Pelosi.

You bring it up for some reason, I guess you assume, usually wrong to begin with, that the healthcare bill was supposed to be first passed and then actually read, and i can see how somehow as unread and uninformed as yourself would jump with joy at the chance to somehow find reason to criticize something Mrs. Pelosi said. After all, she IS a Democrat, and, gasp, a WOMAN, and gasp, a LIBERAL, and, gasp has gay friendly SAN FRANCISCO in her legislative district.

WOW, how cool is that, why she represents just about every kind of bigotry for you!

But here's the thing, Ron. As usual when you are involved, you always, always, take the simple and shallow and fast analysis, any more than that involves actually READING and looking DEEPER, and you have no time or intellectual curiosity for that!

So here it is Ron, read this, see how the truth is different from what you wanted to believe so badly?

just for once, see if you can follow what is being written, Ron, and then you can go back to the simple stuff like fuking polar bears and "fauna"

CLUE: the SENATE has to CHANGE the BILL and pass it, and THEN send it to the HOUSE
and HOUSE cannot know what is in it until it comes to them to be voted on, get it?


The Granite State.
May 29, 2013 - 06:11pm PT
Norton, Ron's never going to listen to a counterpoint. I shouldn't say never, that's an absolute. It seems highly unlikely that he will listen to a counterpoint and change his opinion.

Math and science are irrelevant. Anecdotal conjecture and distrust of math that isn't understood is what Ron and the deniers feed on.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 29, 2013 - 06:21pm PT
Norton youve really lost yur humor, which that WAS...ITS STILL FUNNY no matter the meant context. Kinda like Double Barrel Biden ya know!??

but as far as that HAG Pelosi goes, shes got a LOT more to worry about than health care. How about corralling up the sick POS's that attempt to pee on folks walking by as their boyfriend reams their sphincter. SF politician ... NYET....
The Chief

Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 29, 2013 - 06:28pm PT
Lead gasoline was invented and introduced in 1921, researchers in labs at Yale (or some Ivy League school) studied and proved that lead was harmful in 1924/25. Lead gasoline was banned in the US in the mid-eighties.

Oooops. 60 something years.

How about LEAD PAINT? Hmmm.

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 29, 2013 - 07:36pm PT
Please,endeavor to persevere.

And now back to the argument.

Credit: wilbeer

Probably not proper discussion etiquette.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 29, 2013 - 10:04pm PT
thank you doc. And in idea just hit me, why doesnt the global warmers enlist BIGFOOT as their NEW flagship. Hes as mysterious as their predictions, models, and knowledge of the past.

can just hear it now,, "scientists" have determined GW is interrupting the mating cycles of bigfeet so they have become SO RARE not one clear pic or footage exists! DO SOMETHING before these magnificent creatures go the way of the Dodo bird! ITS BRILLIANT!

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
May 29, 2013 - 10:19pm PT
If theres one thing i defend since i was a boy scout ,it has been the enviornment.
NOT SORRY. You men have proved nothing yourselves,but one thing,especially after attacking scientists like Ed,Base,Chiloe, etal .

Lame argument. A conservationist isn't necessarily a Global Warming advocate.

You can love a clean earth and still be skeptical of anthropomorphic climate change.

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
May 29, 2013 - 10:33pm PT
You are not a skeptic bluring, you are a global climate change denialist
there is a difference
I am a skeptic, you are not.
You believe what ever your side of the establishment tells you to believe
and that is to be a GCC denialist

all skeptics believe in the science backing anthropologic GCC, I just posted that fact
They are also all atheists, which you are not

Whatever you say, Johnson. You have proven yourself in the past to be incapable of logic and reason. This is why I will not have a discussion with you. You make no sense, and then deny facts that are posed to you.

End of a rational discussion.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 29, 2013 - 10:38pm PT
"they are all atheists" ROFLMAO! GUD one doc!

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 29, 2013 - 10:39pm PT
Bluering,maybe you can.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 29, 2013 - 10:41pm PT
I asked Base last week if he knew about the range of geo magnetic variations, particularly polar reversals,and their effects on climate due to allowing more or less cosmic Rays into the earths atmosphere. Anyway, no answer was forthcoming so i looked into on my own. Below is a very interesting and very recent paper i found on the subject. Everyone should take the time to at least read through the abstract.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 29, 2013 - 10:47pm PT
well doc, i believe in the spirit world, but im doubting the over all affect and the earths reactions, to what man has done thus far. Not saying the earth isnt changing because THAT is the one constant in its history isnt it...

edit: and over 3200 prominent scinetists are "deniers" by your standard.
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