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rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 24, 2013 - 10:48pm PT
It's the sun's long term (undocumented and ignored) range of variability, you Morons, poorly understood and falsely described dynamics of ocean ocillations, undervalued abilities of earth and ocean to sequester co2 and store for long term, energy imbalances, exaggerated positive feedbacks, and mythical qualities of a trace gas, in an already relatively thin atmosphere, to deflect back to earth an impossibly high values of radiant energy without losing a majority to space through convection and transport in storm cells, among many other deficiencies, that keep your CAGW models from ever accurately mimicing reality.

MCfly-most states already have in place taxpayer paid subsidies for home energy upgrades.

Wilbeer-why don't you get yourself a paying job first. Then just maybe you could find yourself in a position to help someone who's worth helping instead of habitats for chimpanzees.

Ed- you seem to be a little confused buddy-try to remember you are the scientist i am the laymen, i never claimed anything but.Anyway i thought you were a high level practicing physicist, not a professor. And as far as patiently teaching us science-thanks but no thanks i'm not ready for the reeducation camps yet. I read the paper linked to your refute of the paper i posted-it's quite thin on substance and was nothing more than a hurried rebuttal, in kind, of the swiss paper but lacked it's honesty.I'll read the others later.

Chief-this is a tough if not impossible slog-you were right.

Ron i know you'll never give up the game. good work
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 24, 2013 - 10:49pm PT
No.The new home i will build is going to have panels ,just on the sidewalls.
The roof will be a cold roof design ,built up method,timberframe.
Bruce, i will build that under 50 a sqft.You must remember ,i am not paying labor.

Habitat for chimpanzees, that says alot about you ,Dick.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
May 24, 2013 - 10:56pm PT
Is your sole purpose here to vent and slaughter, or are you interested in learning from us as much as we learn from you?
HaHaHa ... you gotta be kidding.
It's the LEB syndrome ... if you can bafflegab your opponents, then you win.
Dr Ed loses every time he stoops to rebut the nonsense.

ferrous cranus
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 24, 2013 - 11:04pm PT
"nothing more than a hurried rebuttal"
You are a fruitcake,Dick,yeah ,hurried rebuttals always have 10 pages of references.
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
May 24, 2013 - 11:05pm PT
Dr Ed loses every time he stoops to rebut the nonsense.

Yes. When you debate someone holding an irrational position, you just end up looking stupid.

And give them some legitimacy.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 24, 2013 - 11:05pm PT
HaHaHa ... you gotta be kidding.

wether I'm kidding or not, it is a relevant question.....


I'd bet Ed does what he does to satisfy himself, with the added potential benefit to those who can recognize it

kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
May 24, 2013 - 11:07pm PT
Credit: kennyt
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
May 24, 2013 - 11:19pm PT
I'd bet Ed does what he does to satisfy himself, with the added potential benefit to those who can recognize it
True, and very commendable

... BUT ...

[strike]Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results.[/strike]

Below: Nice post Ed
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 24, 2013 - 11:29pm PT
*Surface warming by the solar cycle as revealed by the composite mean difference projection


So far good with just a few problems
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 25, 2013 - 12:01am PT
Second paper so-so but points to the need of more solar research.Have to read more in depth before dicussing specifics. Dinner calls. Back on the horse for you, for the time being.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 25, 2013 - 12:11am PT
At least Ed has persuaded Rick to READ the studies--now can Rick persuade us that he UNDERSTANDS the studies...sorry Rick but saying second paper so-so doesn't indicate you understand anything...how about a concrete analysis and response.

Maybe even include citations and links to specific areas that disagree specifically supporting your argument instead of providing a broad based link that is on the same subject but supports your agenda.

I begin holding my breath 3 2 1...

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 25, 2013 - 12:14am PT
This is my agenda... minus the CITI logo and corporate influence.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/bike-blog/2013/may/24/new-york-citi-bikes-what-expect
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 25, 2013 - 12:21am PT
And a very good one at that Mechrist.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
May 25, 2013 - 12:44am PT
^^^^ Good one Ed! (applause)!

With ur discipline and humility you are a good father figure.

Do you have any kids?
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 25, 2013 - 01:16am PT
This is my agenda... minus the CITI logo and corporate influence.



Odd, they have been utilizing those things regularly in the worlds two worst (India/China) contributor of FF as long as the Industrial Rev has been around. Most of the inhabitants there still do. Why don't you apply your agenda to your personal life. Dump your FF driven vehicle. You won't. But you will as the others do, just expect everyone else to. Hypocrisy at it's best.


Mr.Sumner, it's entertaining at best seeing all these urban utopians squeal their hypocrisy and kissing each others asses. Citing all them papers that the GCC Industry is mass producing. Seeing all the sheep. Oh their egos and the proliferation of their utopianism.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
May 25, 2013 - 01:27am PT

Oh their egos and the proliferation of their utopianism.

What does that mean?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 25, 2013 - 01:36am PT
Okay- paper 0ne (surface warming by solar cycle) the only problems i see with it is the polar amplification. Antarctica has remained flat to cooling with the exception of the peninsula and perhaps the west antarctic shelf. The Arctic i can say from direct experience did rapidly warm late 80's to late 90's, but 3 times global mean seems exaggerated and in the last decade, Alaska (one of the pronounced areas) cooled by an average of 2.4f except a tiny portion of land at Barrow. The PDO recently went into its negative phase and arctic ice should recover somewhat from this.I find the 95% correlation to be particularly interesting.

paper two (variations in solar luminosity) points to the need of further study but here is an interesting sentence on pg 3- "We notethat this thermal inertia explains not only why superficial photospheric magnetic structures can cause net irradiance fluctuations, but also explains why additional variations with deeper origins in the sun have not been observed so far". The paper goes into a little depth in explaining the known solar mechanisms. The third to last paragraph on the last page is also of interest.Ride away
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 25, 2013 - 01:57am PT
The weather is weird - pretty sure it is Obama's fault.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 25, 2013 - 02:10am PT
Ecotopians the lot of em Mr. Sumner. A myth at best. But hey, everyone has to have a fantasy life. Right out of the fictional novel, Ecotopia.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
May 25, 2013 - 03:06am PT

... which is to say that the Sun is pretty damn constant,

Which is to say, that the sun has been that constant for atleast a million years to enable the species of man all the way back through neandrathal man, to live and breathe. And prior to that all the millions of years it took to evolutionize all the species from worm thru man.
THAT'S A PRETTY CONSTANT ENERGY SOURCE!!

I thought the sun was burning out???
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