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mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 22, 2013 - 12:33am PT
Le Chef---speaking of wannabee's weren't you a cook or something in the Navy?? Was that your desired postition or did you strive for it?

I can respect a man who wears an apron but for some reason it gets harder to respect a man who bakes cookies and rides a crotch rocket---just saying if you are happy with what you were born with you wouldn't feel a need to compensate...Also I had a CAR in High School with more top end speed than that pussy bike you got...you want to see a real performance bike rent "the worlds fastest indian" it's a story about a man with BALLS...

By the way in the pic of your F150 you appear to be parking and driving over desert vegitation and not in the parking spot---just like you right wing types to not give a shyt about anybody or anything than yourself.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 22, 2013 - 12:41am PT
Mt lion you have NO DAMM IDEA whom your speaking to again,, and yur wrong as can be ,, again..


Do you EVER look at someones profile, their pics or posts to find out anything- its a simple investigative technique employed by many here. I suggest you use that technique before slandering others here- it MAY help avoid complete embarrassment.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 22, 2013 - 12:41am PT
Oceans are cooling according to NASA

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Warming of the oceans stopped and reversed in 2003
Two separate studies through NASA confirm that since 2003, the world's oceans have been losing heat. In the peak of the recent warming trend, 1998 actually ranked 2nd to 1934 as the warmest year on record.

John Willis, an oceanographer at NASA's Jet Propulsion Lab, published his first report about the warming oceans. The article Correcting Ocean Cooling (see below) published on NASA's Earth Observatory page this week discussed his and other results. willis used data from1993-2003 that showed the warm-up and followed the Global Warming Theory. In 2006, he co-piloted a follow-up study led by John Lyman at Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory in Seattle that updated the time series for 2003-2005. Surprisingly, the ocean seemed to have cooled. He was surprised, and called it a 'speed bump' on the way to global warming.



A second, independent study was conducted. Takmeng Wong and his colleagues at NASA’s Langley Research Center in Virginia came up with the same results. Wong studies net flux of solar energy at the top of our atmosphere. From the 1980s to 1990s his team noticed increased amounts net energy when comparing incoming solar energy to what Earth radiates and reflects. Since then, the solar flux has remained the same. Other studies have suggested that the sun's output has decreased in the past few years.

Wong's take is that melting arctic ice is responsible for the cooling of the oceans. I contend that if that were the case, why did it take until 2003 to show cooling, after a few decades of warming? Also, the UKMET office showed that Earth's temperatures have been cooling for the past five years. Since 75% of the planet is water, that would make sense. Just last week, I wrote about the arctic sea ice returning to 1979 levels just 1 1/2 years after the fear of the biggest summer ice retreat in 2007.

But what about the basics? Ocean temperatures do experience a 'lag' or delay in heating and cooling. That is why Ocean City's surf temperatures are chilly during Memorial Day weekend, but warm significantly by Labor Day weekend. The average Northern Hemisphere's peak heat (air temp) is in mid-July, while the Atlantic Ocean's peak heat (water) is in mid-September. The ocean temperature peaks in mid-September coincide with heightened hurricane activity.

So, could these reports indicate that melting cools the oceans and has a negative feedback on warming? Is this just a speed bump in the general trend of warming? Does this 'surprise' almost sound like they are dissapointed that the warming trend has not continued so far? Or is this just part of a natural cycle, such as the seasons, but on a larger scale? With regard to cycles, we have only been sampling and studying a small part of Earth's history and have perhaps jumped to conclusions about the impact of carbon dioxide (there are more potent gases such as methane that don't make headlines). What do you think? What about the 'surprise' of the scientists?
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 22, 2013 - 12:49am PT
No Rong I don't look at the profiles---I'm to busy trying to do research for the thread topic for YOU since you won't do the research or post links...

As for Le Chef I don't give a rat's ass about his internet persona and I was considered a son for a man who retired Commander from the NAVY and fought for our country at D-Day aboard the U.S.S. McCook---Commander John Folsom could speak 7 languages (to varying degrees) was tougher than Le Chef could ever be---i met him at age 82 as a disabled man and I was fired for standing up to credit card fraud that happened to him at the gym I worked at---I won in court after 2 years against those sons a bitches--I gave the Eulogy at his funeral and cleaned out his apartment after I put my business on hiatus to care for him til he died and am proud that he called me eho wich is Son in spanish

All of that can be proven if you are willing to do some investigative work...Long story short Le Chef can take as good as he gives or he shouldn't be tickling the tummy of some Bleeding Hearts some of us bite back.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
May 22, 2013 - 12:51am PT
There are some interesting thoughts in there Rick about the melting of the ice cooling the oceans as I suggested. Your article is old though;
Just last week, I wrote about the arctic sea ice returning to 1979 levels just 1 1/2 years after the fear of the biggest summer ice retreat in 2007.


2012 has taken the record away from 2007 for the least Arctic Ice Extent. It really has not gone back to 1979 levels. This year is already the 5th or 6th lowest on record.

So, could these reports indicate that melting cools the oceans and has a negative feedback on warming? Is this just a speed bump in the general trend of warming?
Ding Dong! Yes! Until the ice is gone! The CO2 isn't going anywhere and is just increasing. Ironically, the slowing down of the oceans warming allows it to absorb more CO2, but once that cooling phase is over, after much ice-melt and the ocean starts to warm again, it will give up CO2 that it holds and is storing away for us.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 22, 2013 - 12:58am PT
Mountainlion

speaking of wannabee's weren't you a cook or something in the Navy

Ask Werner Braun or John Dill that question. They both might just fill you in on the exploits of NAS Lemoore SAR (82-84) and our crazyass "failure is not an option" operations that saved dozens of climbers and hikers in the "Ditch" and surrounding areas back in the early 80's through the late 90's.


As far as the Truck photo, that is Pauls Paradise and it is common camping spot for climbers and their rigs. You do of course know where Pauls Paradise is do you not.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 22, 2013 - 01:00am PT
mtlion,,,i guess you missed the damm research ive been posting on this page alone then.. good going on those horse blinders you wear mtlion..I have NO doubt as to why you were "threatened" down in the S America land.. NONE what so ever now. The tribe spoke, and it seems they were spot on. YUR a dillweed. I concour with the S Americans 100%..

In fact the ONLY ORIGINAL thoughts youve had on here were those like bashing the same folks that HAD been helping you with gear here,, and whinning about those ruthless S american climbers that you were so worried about you were going to call the US embassy ROFLMAO! What you are is someone that hangs around waiting to see who the pack goes for, then assumes one of those positions. You see others slinging insults and decide thats cooloio fer you to. Un impressed. completely at this point.
TheTye

Trad climber
Sacramento CA
May 22, 2013 - 01:07am PT
There was a good This American Life podcast this last weekend on why the climate change conversation in this nation in "stuck". Worth a listen... on their website or Stitcher app for free :-)
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 22, 2013 - 01:08am PT
2012 has taken the record away from 2007 for the least Arctic Ice Extent. It really has not gone back to 1979 levels. This year is already the 5th or 6th lowest on record.

Bullshet as far as the entire 2012 season.



http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
May 22, 2013 - 01:14am PT
What part is bullshet? The graph backs me up and is from a reputable site.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 22, 2013 - 01:16am PT
Look at the entire season not just the summer.



2012 (Black Line) Winter Ice Coverage surpassed the 79-2000 Avg.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
May 22, 2013 - 01:19am PT
It's still a record year and that says nothing of the ice volume. It's starts off in record territory, then melts at a slower rate, then accelerates off the chart. A record is a record even if it does not impress you.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 22, 2013 - 01:22am PT
Cheif! My god man where have you been!






Can I interest you in a personality test?
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 22, 2013 - 01:23am PT
Le Chef nope don't know Paul's Paradise but rescuing people is pretty cool...as for you Rong I don't think you reading comprehension skills are that finely tuned...and the evidence you post is just as unoriginal as mine except I post the links.

Humans are changing the planet and we have the opportunity to either do something about it (just like rescuing climbers) or do nothing...I want us to do something and quit arguing about the science which is showing that fossil fuels are heating our planet at an unprecedented rate.

As far as the tribe speaking--I know what they said because most of them don't have computers and climbed with me all the time. While one person did and took offense to how I portrayed his country and his technical climbing skills--I choose to repair that relationship. In fact I emailed you that I never contacted the U.S. Embassy, I was advised to tell that to people who may want to visit our country to prevent possible violence against me and my petite wife.

As far as being impressed I don't care what you think you don't matter in my life just as I don't matter in yours---and that is ok by me.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 22, 2013 - 01:28am PT
More like this Kay.

McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
May 22, 2013 - 01:33am PT
That was a good movie!
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 22, 2013 - 01:39am PT
It wasn't a movie. It was my life for 24 years.

Now back to the business of the Dynamic Planet Earth and how many here think humans can control it.

I want us to do something and quit arguing about the science which is showing that fossil fuels are heating our planet at an unprecedented rate.

You drive a vehicle? You are here typing away aren't you. Well, start by ceasing your participation in both as they require fossil fuels in order to do em. Start at ground zero, yourself.
Burch3y

Mountain climber
San Diego
May 22, 2013 - 01:47am PT
Chief!

So glad you're back. Vitaliy and I were just saying how boring it is without you around.

Incidentally, I called my old climbing buddy, and he said that this Knotts guy does not exist.

Out!
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 22, 2013 - 01:52am PT
le Chef:

1) when has the earth warmed this fast in our planet's past?

2) what is the cause of this rapid rise if humans are not?

please provide SOURCES plural--coincidentally the source you provided on the last post said that the published article may have changes...
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 22, 2013 - 02:03am PT
1) when has the earth warmed this fast in our planet's past?

Can I include the 4.6 Billion or so years. Or just the last 160 years. Think about that over night. 4.6 Billion years.

Edit.

Let's start with the last 65-6 million years shall we.


http://joannenova.com.au/2010/02/the-big-picture-65-million-years-of-temperature-swings/

Take a close look at the last half million years. Several times actually. Nothing new.
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