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WBraun

climber
May 29, 2013 - 12:48pm PT
You're total waste of time Bruce.

Just go on believing everything you believe.

Keep on arguing that you're so smart.

I work both sides of the fence .....

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 29, 2013 - 12:49pm PT
I work both sides of the fence .....


I would dispute that. But thank you for your input
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
May 29, 2013 - 12:51pm PT
Ive worked with polar bear concerns for well over a decade

Dude, so far you've shown your polar bear expertise by posting cartoon graphs from denialist blogs and lots of arm-waving, like about polar bears surviving higher CO2, while confusing Foxe Basin with Western Hudson Bay and showing you don't know strait from straight.

I posted some abstracts from recent research, but saw no indication you read those -- your response was the cartoon graphs, making that always witty argument called "But...but...but...ALGORE!"

Some populations are declining, some aren't, and some are unknown. More will be in trouble if sea ice keeps declining, because hunting on the ice is their livelihood. They also face serious threats from contamination, because as long-lived apex predators atop one of the planet's lengthiest food chains, they bioconcentrate and bioaccumulate some bad things. Finally there are hunting pressures, exacerbated if food scarcity drives them into more contact with humans.

As a polar bear expert you understand all that but forgot to say it, right?
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 29, 2013 - 12:51pm PT
Chef im going to die.FACT

The posturing you have presented.NOT FACT.

I am just a lowly carpenter with an age old geology education.I do not claim to know it all,never have . I have dilligently kept abreast of GW science since 78.
Denial has held up ,policy,progression and funding of most solutions. Hence my fierce problem with your loud 3%.

If this were a true democracy as you freedom fighters want,and WE all had a vote to accept/decline progession or regression of this very topic,whos ass do you think would be mutated.

Lunch is over,back to cutting rafters.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 29, 2013 - 12:56pm PT
Chiloe,, NO bears are in danger of ice leaving. They WILL simply evolve with it. Just like they evolved from coastal brown bear populations to begin with. And, since the ice doesnt melt according to CO2 rises as shown in ice core sampling, its much a do about NOTHING.


edit : And i did peruse the references you posted..read many when they first came out.. (snicker)..
dirtbag

climber
May 29, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
You don't know that At all Ron.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 29, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
Werner - just one more thing I find puzzling. When you say "Americans are stupid" which i have noted you are prone to do, are you referring to all Americans or particular identifiable groups?


And where would you fit in?
WBraun

climber
May 29, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
I'm a stupid American just the same.

Bruce ... Just fix it.

Quit wasting your time arguing.

The bottom line the climate is fuked up.

We fuked it up.

There's no one else to blame for fuking it up when we pollute the whole planet with all this unnecessary crap we "think" we really need.

We're all fuk ups .....
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 29, 2013 - 01:05pm PT
Quit wasting your time arguing.


So we should follow your lead on this?
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 29, 2013 - 01:08pm PT
Hey Werner, I have a piss poor grasp of math.. I don't opine on the science either: I leave that to the people who know what they are talking about..

The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 29, 2013 - 01:11pm PT
^^ That's The Chiefs pet, little Knotts. ^^

Actually it's a photo of you and/or Dirtclaud


We're all fuk ups .....

The best and most valid post on this entire frkn thread.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 29, 2013 - 01:13pm PT
Dirt,, yes i do know that. To think they cant reverse their evolving is silly.



Let me give you a localized example of "evolution" on our local Sage grouse populations in douglas county.

They were once plentiful on bald mtn, just east of Garnderville/Minden.

Then BLM ran sheep through their leks and roosts. Then a wildfire burned it 100%. Those birds didnt "vanish" as first thought by NDOW. They did not "die off" due to the loss of their food source either.

What they did do is MOVE. And moved to an area far out of their "norms" for habitat. They MOVED down into the TRE housing development areas where they are today. 3000 feet less in elevation, and NOT in the three staged sagebrush habitats they are known for. They now thrive in their new environment, much to the questioning of wildlife science.



much like the canary in the coal mine. Wildlife IS an indicator,, and the indications are of GOOD things. Nevada increased its elk tags by some 2000 this year due to overwhelming populations..
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
May 29, 2013 - 01:21pm PT
Chiloe,, NO bears are in danger of ice leaving. They WILL simply evolve with it.

Let's see if you even understand evolution. How fast is sea ice area declining? How fast do species evolve?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 29, 2013 - 01:25pm PT
We're all fuk ups .....

The best and most valid post on this entire frkn thread.


Certainly hits home with you Chuff. But is that where you wish to stay? Is that the height and extent of your aspirations? Do you think your kids and wife should also limit themselves so?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 29, 2013 - 01:29pm PT
Let us say for example, the ice shelf's melt in the next five years. The Polar bears will move to the coastal outlets and begin to cross with the coastal brown bears from whence they came. Bears do three things, the play , they eat and they "screw".. They will not stop any of those due to any melting ice. They will mate with those coastal brownies slowly "evolving" back into coastal brown bears. The first cross being 50/50 and so on. The next generation will be less in bloodlines of the P bears and more of the B bears. Give it ten generations and walla...Hybrids would slowly disappear as the blood line thins in the following generations. Seals or salmon-- tomatoes -tahmahtoes...
heck they might even fornicate with an interior bear,, the "grizz"..



Polar bears are believed to be from a group of brown bears that became isolated during the freeze up in the Pleistocene period.


Much like the Choctaw bass has been "formed" rather quickly through hybridization..
dirtbag

climber
May 29, 2013 - 01:31pm PT
You're making sh#t up Ron.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 29, 2013 - 01:34pm PT
hahahaaa,,,,nooooo im not!;-)



Hey Dirt,, remember just a short relative time ago when clear cuts in timber country were labeled the doom of all mankind and the spotted owl?

Now it turns out those owls LOVE the clear cut regeneration to hunt and nest. shaaawing and a miss that one was..
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 29, 2013 - 02:02pm PT
You're making sh#t up Ron.

Prove it.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 29, 2013 - 02:09pm PT
hi guys

same old?
dirtbag

climber
May 29, 2013 - 02:29pm PT
"Prove it"? It's not my job to prove anything. He's the one make the claim; let's see some data.

I know lack of data doesn't bother you, tho.
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