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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 10:51pm PT
nooooo the Chief and RICK Sumner are two different people. Ill bet 0ne hundred grand on it right now. Takers?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 21, 2013 - 10:54pm PT
Ill bet 0ne hundred grand on it right now

wow

you got that much put away from stuffing animals?

you must be damn busy all day, how do you find the time to post here so often?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 10:56pm PT
Ill have a "backer" in two seconds after the acceptance of the bet Norton. . fiddy fiddy split Rick?


edit : Just noticed the reef fish thing Rick, seems it does the same for polar bears too hehehe.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 21, 2013 - 10:57pm PT
Even if the Chef and Dick are two different people they are the same .
I like em,Id like to have them frame a house with me,or maybe go deer hunting.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
May 21, 2013 - 11:05pm PT
The Chief and Knotts are the same.

I want to hear him deny it, then I'll post the evidence, even though it's obvious from the banning and The Chief's appearance the next day. Imagine that!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 11:09pm PT
Of course you know Mono..but am i Ron Anderson??>?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 21, 2013 - 11:10pm PT
Ron can you post that paper i referenced above. I'm not in a place i can do it. Thanks
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 11:10pm PT
mono,,already dew...



edit: Rick here yas go;-)



CO2 stimulates reproduction in a coral reef fish

Gabrielle M. Miller*, Sue-Ann Watson, Mark I. McCormick, Philip L. Munday
DOI: 10.1111/gcb.12259

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Climate change;ocean acidification;coral reef fish;reproduction;hormesis;trade-offs; Amphiprion
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Ocean acidification is predicted to negatively impact the reproduction of many marine species, either by reducing fertilization success or diverting energy from reproductive effort. While recent studies have demonstrated how ocean acidification will affect larval and juvenile fishes, little is known about how increasing partial pressure of carbon dioxide (pCO2) and decreasing pH might affect reproduction in adult fishes. We investigated the effects of near-future levels of pCO2 on the reproductive performance of the cinnamon anemonefish, Amphiprion melanopus, from the Great Barrier Reef, Australia. Breeding pairs were held under three CO2 treatments (Current-day Control (430μatm), Moderate (584μatm) and High (1032μatm)) for a 9-month period that included the summer breeding season. Unexpectedly, increased CO2 dramatically stimulated breeding activity in this species of fish. Over twice as many pairs bred in the Moderate (67% of pairs) and High (55%) compared to the Control (27%) CO2 treatment. Pairs in the High CO2 group produced double the number of clutches per pair and 67% more eggs per clutch compared to the Moderate and Control groups. As a result, reproductive output in the High group was 82% higher than the Control group and 50% higher than the Moderate group. Despite the increase in reproductive activity, there was no difference in adult body condition between the three treatment groups. There was no significant difference in hatchling length between the treatment groups, but larvae from the High CO2 group had smaller yolks than Controls. This study provides the first evidence of the potential effects of ocean acidification on key reproductive attributes of marine fishes and, contrary to expectations, demonstrates an initially stimulatory (hormetic) effect in response to increased pCO2. However, any long-term consequences of increased reproductive effort on individuals or populations remains to be determined.

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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 11:19pm PT
ssso from polar bears to penguins to reef fish it seems the fauna is having reproductive festivals in these dire times of global warming. Seems they are digging it.. Hope they dont read and believe the news on most channels lmao! it will kill their buzz.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 21, 2013 - 11:26pm PT
any long-term consequences of increased reproductive effort on individuals or populations remains to be determined.

Not that surprising. Many lower life forms produce more offspring when under stress... much higher mortality rate though
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 11:28pm PT
or more CO2 equals better hunting equals better off spring rates equals greater populations.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 11:37pm PT
and then theres this inconvenient factoid for ya warmers..



OVER the past 15 years air temperatures at the Earth’s surface have been flat while greenhouse-gas emissions have continued to soar. The world added roughly 100 billion tonnes of carbon to the atmosphere between 2000 and 2010. That is about a quarter of all the CO₂ put there by humanity since 1750. And yet, as James Hansen, the head of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, observes, “the five-year mean global temperature has been flat for a decade.”
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 21, 2013 - 11:37pm PT
Monolith
I want to hear him deny it, then I'll post the evidence


You believe in GCC and want to save the P-Bears. Then you must not believe in the law and science of EVOLUTION. Cus there is absolutely nothing in the law of Evolution that specifies nor limits the forcing of extinction. Now that is pure hypocrisy. Take one and not the other. You and your eco wanna-be hippie don't shave your pit/legs crowd aint gonna save shet. Fact is, the lifestyle you engorge in as a human in the Bay Area is another example of your pure wanna-be hypocrisy. No matter how much you drive that clan Prius in the electric mode. Still requires fossil fuel to power that motor. Hypocrite.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
May 21, 2013 - 11:43pm PT
LOL, Chief, I said the bears would evolve, but if they are evolving to land based bears because man f*#ked up their ocean environment where they spend most of their time, then we are responsible, and we can take steps to try to reverse the damage we are doing.

Still no denial on Knotts?
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 21, 2013 - 11:51pm PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

We are part of the system in the evolutionary process idiot. Thus the no rules governing the forcing of the extinction process. Unless you are going to claim we humans are aliens, descended from another planet and overtaking this planet.

Mechrist
Many lower life forms produce more offspring when under stress... much higher mortality rate though.

This of course comes from your personal experience of how your presence on earth came to be. Got it.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
May 21, 2013 - 11:52pm PT
We are part of the system, and we can control what we do, idiot.

Maybe we should set off all our nukes, just because we are part of the system. Man will evolve right?
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 21, 2013 - 11:57pm PT
We are part of the system, and we can control what we do, idiot.

Bingo. But we CAN NOT control what planet earth does as your crowd wants to do. "and we can take steps to try to reverse the damage we are doing". Unfortunately, that statement is another example of your hypocrisy. Cus you aint controlling shet about your contribution to the supposed fossil fuel C02 emission. You being here typing is using fossil fuel emitting C02 generated electricity. Nice, hypocrite.

Man is going away, soon. Just like all them millions of other species. Part of the program. Evolution.

monolith

climber
SF bay area
May 22, 2013 - 12:00am PT
Hum, if we do dumb stuff to f*#k up the environment, we are smart enough to stop doing dumb stuff that f*#ks up the environment. If the environment responds to our dumb stuff, then there's a good chance it may respond in our favor when we stop.

Good night Knotts.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 22, 2013 - 12:04am PT
we are smart enough to stop doing dumb stuff that f*#ks up the environment.

Then why are you part of the dumb stuff human brigade and continue living the normal Western Society dream in the Bay Area using fossil fuel energy on a consistent basis? Hypocrite.

GCC aint gonna kick your ass in the Bay Area. The San Andreas Fault is. Soon. Very soon. It is gonna make Sandy and the latest tornadoes look like tiny blackhead zits compared to triple FF boobs.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
May 22, 2013 - 12:29am PT
OVER the past 15 years air temperatures at the Earth’s surface have been flat

Those 'flat' years are the hottest on record and that's even with the melting of Greenland and many other glaciers accelerating and cooling the ocean. So, things are staying hotter than they had been in the past while record numbers of gigatons of icemelt are pooring into the oceans. My brain says that things are heating up and feedbacks are providing data thats easy to misinterpret.

One the ocean/airconditioners are gone we won't have the luxury of something to stabilzer the temps like Greenland and Antarctica are doing.
Think about it - air temps are stable and not falling while Greenland melts into the ocean. It doesn't take much of a model to see what's happening.
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