Ron Anderson
Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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Jun 12, 2013 - 05:18pm PT
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Mono,, now really,,, you were just trying for a page or so to dispell the fact that arctic ice has melted way more under way less CO2 than now and when i give you proof of that,, this dare i say, instant amnesia takes place?
It is no more logical to blame CO2 on ice melting now that KNOWN HISTORY says dont you think? Seems ice cores tell a different story than CO2 correlations. What are those? Black Carbon? Dunno.
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raymond phule
climber
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Jun 12, 2013 - 05:23pm PT
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This thread needs a skeptic that has at least some knowledge about science and logic.
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The Chief
climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
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Jun 12, 2013 - 05:27pm PT
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This thread needs a skeptic that has at least some knowledge about science and logic.
That is what the Roman Catholic Church kept telling Martin Luther. Just insert "scriptures" in lieu of science.
Oh the irony.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 12, 2013 - 05:47pm PT
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The irony, The Chief, is that you pretend to have some respect with claims and assertions. But so many times you have been proven to spew nothing but hot air, that you have little respect from those that actually know what they are talking about here.
So, is your finger still wet from that lake, or do you need to go and prove to yourself again that there is no drought?
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The Chief
climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
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Jun 12, 2013 - 06:00pm PT
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KMAN,
Unlike you and others here, I could give a flying ratass what eco liberal freaks such as yourself, or anyone else for that matter, think of me. Also, unlike insecure GCC fatalist such as you, I don't need to stick my head up the a*# of sheep in front me and follow their lead in order to get approval.
This whole deal is an ideological platform. Nothing more. You all hide behind the cloak of GCC. Hide. Then peep out screaming the fatalist crap that you all do. Against the Gov't and society as a whole. As Rick and Ron have stated, you will twist the data of events to fit your agenda. If the snowfall was so extensive that no crops could be planted or it hadn't ceased raining since the first of April, you all would use those weather events to proliferate this insane ideology that you and the others have lived by long before this AGW scam began. It is Big Corps and Oil. That is the real beef you are against. That is the reality of it all. You could honestly not give a shet about the planet. Just your little fantasy utopian ideals that you unceasingly insist that the rest of us must abide by or it is curtains for us all.
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Dingus Milktoast
Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
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Jun 12, 2013 - 07:22pm PT
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So Ron you believe science that attempts to characterize ancient climate conditions. You use the internet. I bet you even believe stars are nuclear engines operating billions of miles away.
None of it is any more 'provable' than the climate change forecasting that is being attempted today. And often its the same kind of science involved - piecing together vastly disparate evidence to create a big picture.
You accept one big picture without much of a clue of the science involved, but reject another using mostly the same science?
Why?
Because you like the answer you get from the one, and dislike the answer you get from the other.
But oddly you try to use one against the other. It makes me laugh out loud. Its like railing against technology, on an internet forum!
Lol lol lol.
You've no clue, really. Admit it. You start out with the assumption that humans can't cause climate change and then only consider and cite the evidence you think supports that. You are not opened minded.
DMT
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Jun 12, 2013 - 07:29pm PT
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I vote we just rename this the "teaching pigs to sing" thread.
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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Jun 12, 2013 - 08:03pm PT
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Dingus,, i guess youve missed my posts where i talk about experiencing the various flagships of doom over the years and how those were artificially created for an agenda right? Well believe me when i say billions went into various organizations that did nothing more than line their pockets with those "non profits". They certainly did nothing but spread false propaganda and that was the extent of their efforts.
even the US government admits they put polar bears on the endangered list over predictions of GW..Now thats guessing of a fair magnitude imo..No WONDER Canada said horse phooey to that.
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The Chief
climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
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Jun 12, 2013 - 08:25pm PT
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Dingus,, i guess youve missed my posts where i talk about experiencing the various flagships of doom over the years and how those were artificially created for an agenda right? Well believe me when i say billions went into various organizations that did nothing more than line their pockets with those "non profits". They certainly did nothing but spread false propaganda and that was the extent of their efforts.
BINGO!
This one, GCC, is no different. Not one single bit. Scam agenda. Ideology. Politics. Way of life according to the Utopians.
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Dingus Milktoast
Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
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Jun 12, 2013 - 08:32pm PT
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Dingus,, i guess youve missed my posts
If you've had, let's say, 20,000 posts?
I've missed over 19,000 of them. Sorry bro, its not that compelling.
I have seen you mention spotted owls and polar bears. Please tell me you're not basing your world view on spotted owls and polar bears. Please tell me you will actually consider solid evidence. Please tell me you have an open mind.
Lol.
DMT
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Dingus Milktoast
Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
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Jun 12, 2013 - 08:44pm PT
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Consider L.A. smog....
While I never had the pleasure I hear that smog was really bad in the LA basin in the late 60s, 70s and into the early 80s.
Scientists identified the main culprits causing the smog. Politicians acted on that and passed tough laws that the goddamn oil corporations and auto corps fought tooth and nail withe every goddamn tobacco lawyer they could find.
Californians insisted though and all sorts of emissions reductions laws were passed.
Guess what?
It worked.
L.A. is measurably cleaner now. There is less smog, by a huge factor.
So you want to red herring indicator species? Fine. I actually agree with you. I thought the emphasis on spotted owls was a sad mistake, as it happened. The polar bears? Dunno, give em 20 years of open ocean and orcas and then lets talk.
But in the mean time, millions of people have acted in-concert and the result is a measurably cleaner atmosphere.
Imagine if BILLIONS of people took a similar approach.
Now I throw my hands up when I think... will India and China ever cooperate? I mean, that's half the world pop right there. But you and I, just through our daily existence ON THE GRID? We pollute more than 20 or 30 people combined, in those countries.
We should clean up our act on general principle. If China et al won't cooperate we should trade sanction them straight to hell. That causes inflation OH MY! Sh#t would cost more here.
Too bad!
DMT
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Jun 12, 2013 - 08:49pm PT
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Nice opinion ,DMT
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Jun 12, 2013 - 10:18pm PT
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Had Magellan first sailed around around the world in 2013, the denialists would be out in force saying the earth is flat, and it's a conspiracy to destroy all that is good.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jun 13, 2013 - 12:27am PT
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nicely said Dingus...
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jun 13, 2013 - 12:37am PT
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Im sorry Bruce but it is you in the Petri dish. CAGW is losing ground daily and its proponents are jumping overboard like rats deserting a sinking ship. You are not the captain, you dont need to go down with the ship.
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The Chief
climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
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Jun 13, 2013 - 12:54am PT
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We should clean up our act on general principle. If China et al won't cooperate we should trade sanction them straight to hell. That causes inflation OH MY! Sh#t would cost more here.
Too bad!.
If your words are real, then I suggest you and the others here personally begin this "trade sanctioning" by chucking all your BD manufactured Cams and associate climbing & ski paraphanalia which are now all manu'd in China. Amongst other things that do not correlate with the words of action. Including them bigass fossil fuel guzzling V-8 mobiles of sport etc (hint DMT). But then that won't happen. Never. Amazing how the crowd gathers to light the fire and then sing their songs of kumbaya save the world from Big Oil etc around it. After the group hugs, they all depart, go home and live a completely opposite life.
Hypocrisy. Oh how it flows.
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The Chief
climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
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Jun 13, 2013 - 01:27am PT
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Typical. Deflect. Deflect. Deflect when called out.
Oh the hypocrisy.
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The Chief
climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
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Jun 13, 2013 - 01:32am PT
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During the ancient times of VERY high CO2 levels, extremely LARGE animals inhabited the planet along with extremely thick and high vegetation and bio mass.
that does this have to do with anything
I'll bite ED. Please explain what was the C02 forcing mechanism back then and all the other 1000's of times that atmospheric C02 content was 10 to 20 higher than they are today?
But the law was created to preserve habitat in its "original" state.
Please do tell us what that "original" state is. Curious. From all scientific data going back 500 or so million years, that concept does not exist. Nor has it ever.
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