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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Sep 11, 2013 - 11:00pm PT
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You collect atmospheric data,well what about IT.
I am sorry you have been called a ped,but get some skin .
Hell,im a neo marxist ,socialist ,stupid, commie,liberal ,utopian.And then some.
Hows about your knowledge of the atmosphere?
Share,discuss.
But do not start a statement knocking someones bias and immeadiately exhibit your own and expect no one here to hurt your feeling.
Because everyone here is biased.
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Mad69Dog
Ice climber
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Sep 11, 2013 - 11:29pm PT
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Nah, hurt feelings aren't the point. It's the depth people descend to in order to discredit what they don't know. It shows desperate adherence to the royal order of the sheep herder and all that. Opposing opinion must be squashed, never considered. If you really can't see it in this thread, nothing I say will convince you. And that's fine. I never expected to.
Would you like a donut?
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Sep 11, 2013 - 11:47pm PT
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About the heat budget ,what current data disproves cc?
It seems im not in the private club that may view it.
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Mad69Dog
Ice climber
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Sep 11, 2013 - 11:58pm PT
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There is much missing from that diagram. Remember, the key is to tie FFC to the picture.
How would you do that? What would you add to the spread sheet and where would you get that data?
How have the models varied for predicting and interpreting ocean temp data over the last 30 years and why do the curve fitters stress so hard to rationalize their models?
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Sep 12, 2013 - 05:27am PT
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lots of observations,
not many solutions being explored,
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Sep 12, 2013 - 07:07am PT
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http://www.e-education.psu.edu/earth103/node/671
Would like to consider what part of this [data] disproves CC.
Not going to "squash" anything.
And yes MD,I will concede there has been alot of that from both sides on this thread.
Fort Mental,I do not know where you live,but where I do,plenty of people care.
There is a sustainability festival here this weekend that will draw 50k of folks looking to implement solutions.
It will have small impact,but ,it is impact.
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raymond phule
climber
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Sep 12, 2013 - 08:37am PT
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There is much missing from that diagram. Remember, the key is to tie FFC to the picture.
How would you do that? What would you add to the spread sheet and where would you get that data?
I don't know what you are trying to get at but why is the exact data on the fossil fuels consumption important? Isn't enough to use the atmospheric CO2 level in the scientific discussion? I believe that there are very strong evidence that the rise in CO2 level is due to the use of fossil fuels.
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Sep 12, 2013 - 09:50am PT
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Send the VA checks back, Chief. That's all that's left to do in your absolutist fantasy.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Sep 12, 2013 - 09:58am PT
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I think maddog accepts that the co2 increase is due to man. He challenges their effect.
Longwave radiation studies prove the connection between increased atmospheric co2 and increased temp.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Sep 12, 2013 - 10:57am PT
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Good boy, Chief, you are starting to get it. That's what we've been saying for quite some time.
Do you know what ENSO means?
The deeper ocean levels can gain heat and the surface can still have ENSO cycles.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Sep 12, 2013 - 11:11am PT
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Bullsh#t, you keep forgetting the oceans.
The atmosphere absorbs only 2.3% of the heat. Ocean heat absorption/radiation cycles like ENSO will have a significant impact on atmosphere temps.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Sep 12, 2013 - 11:17am PT
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The ocean and the atmosphere are both heating up due to CO2.
The ocean is the far bigger sink and it's variations will also impact atmosphere temps.
It's all a part of the natural cycle, until we did this:
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Sep 12, 2013 - 11:21am PT
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Yep, ENSO causes wiggles on the upward atmospheric temp trend line.
ENSO surface energy is tiny compared to the capacity of the deep oceans.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Sep 12, 2013 - 11:27am PT
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You can see the impact of the largest recorded El-Nino ever, on ocean temps, by looking for the little blip around 1997/1998.
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 12, 2013 - 11:54am PT
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And you are worst then any dick ever, Bruce Kay.
Because you are nothing but a stupid know nothing aszhole stalker camped out on a thread humping some guys leg.
You are an absolutely fuking sick demented weirdo ......
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Sep 12, 2013 - 11:57am PT
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Models do show that long temp slowdowns are possible, they just can't give good timing yet.
I suggest you review this vid again, Chief, particularly at 1:24.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 12, 2013 - 11:59am PT
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Just please go away Bruce.
You are a pathetic excuse for a human being ......
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Sep 12, 2013 - 12:06pm PT
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There are all kinds of models, Chief, not just the ones you focus on.
How do you think this gif was generated?
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Sep 12, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
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Yer not very bright, are ya Chief. You can see several hiatus periods there.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Sep 12, 2013 - 12:15pm PT
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Of course it is visible, Chief. Try to focus.
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