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rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 24, 2013 - 12:52am PT
Mchale, its a little more complicated than that i'm afraid. Seems the PDO slipped into the negative phase recently, this is a fairly recently discovered oscillation that is not well understood. Base fully expects the Arctic to be ice free during summer months within his sons lifetime-both are just guesses, in one case educated in the other not.

Ok, Ed so what does the paper say? Why do we have to play this game-oh very well. At minimum it states loudly and clearly that we lack coherent,correlating, direct measurement data sets of even the satellite era which corresponds to a prolonged period of unusually high solar activity. At the most it accounts for all global temperature swings observed from 7000 years ago to present.

Refute it maestro
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 24, 2013 - 01:01am PT
Amazing how pervasive the slippery slope arguments are among the retards on the right.

ANY gun control = tyrannical government taking guns

Regulate CO2 emissions from large polluters = tax people for breathing

Unfukingbelievable that they get an equal vote.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 24, 2013 - 01:07am PT
Yep, they SHOULD be ignored. But when the Queen dipshit becomes the nominee for VPOTUS, you kind of have to start paying attention.
new world order2

climber
May 24, 2013 - 01:10am PT
Oh, we'll be taxed for breathing, down the road. It's all CO2, isn't it?

What a perfect way to pay down the debt, and save the environment at the same time. Think about it!

And all guns will be confiscated.

Baby steps, guys. The sheeple would awake if prodded along too quickly.
new world order2

climber
May 24, 2013 - 01:20am PT
Georgia Guidestones

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.

^^^^^^ What does this guideline say to you guys? Why is is there?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 24, 2013 - 01:28am PT
Shapiro has a number of interesting papers accessed by the link below

http://www.mendeley.com/profiles/alexander-shapiro/document/3769892321/#highlighted

new world order2

climber
May 24, 2013 - 01:29am PT
Thank you. ^^^^

So, does it also speak to the "hopeful assumption" that a day will come where there are but only 500,000,000 inhabitants?

dave729

Trad climber
Western America
May 24, 2013 - 01:38am PT
In 2008, Hansen wrote about “stabilizing” the climate :

Stabilizing atmospheric CO2 and climate requires that net CO2 emissions approach zero, because of the long lifetime of CO2 (he wrote)

arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0804/0804.1126.pdf

Yet in 1999, he made it quite clear that past climate was not stable, and that there was little evidence to support that idea that the climate was becoming more unstable.

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/spectacularly-poor-climate-science-at-nasa/

The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 24, 2013 - 01:49am PT
Lots of personal experience, and as an ED RN--

Hmm. I am an alcoholic. 13 years 13 days sober. Been doing F/T and P/T D&A Counseling w/combat vets etc for over 11 of those years. You don't "talk an alcoholic into quitting booze." You just share your personal alcoholic story, hope they listen, do not judge em, be there 24/7 and pray that they follow your lead. That is why a non-alcoholic (folks as yourself regardless profession) talks at an alcoholic and we don't listen. Folks as yourself are clueless as to why we drink/use.

Btw, Chief, I'm not mountainlion. Try to focus.

I am focusing MONOLITH. I answered the same question from LION yesterday/up thread. Now you try and focus as ED has admitted his employer is in fact direct component of the NNSA which oversees the stockpile of US WMD's by his own admission and he has partaken in that aspect of LLNS.

My employer is LLNS, Livermore Lab National Security LLC... The HEDS has relevance to both basic science and the stockpile stewardship program. I've worked on this project some for the last 4 years but have transitioned to other activities...... While I can talk about a lot of the things I do, I obviously cannot talk about some of it.

Kind of like being a full time butcher of hunted meat and having a life-time membership to PETA. Your being concerned with the future of mankind and GCC. Maybe that new component of fusion you are involved in. $$$$$$.



You can post all the papers you want ED & Chiloe etal. But as I shared earlier, all them papers are just another aspect of the growing multi-billion/trillion dollar GCC Industry. The propaganda machine spinning and turning. Capitalism at it's best I tell ya. Sneaky. Oh so sneaky.

Edit.

Until Humans cease proliferating at the rate they are currently doing so, this issue is not going away. Not one of you GCCers has even touched that so very important aspect of this issue. Mankind is running outta room and resources. Regardless what they may be. It has basically eating itself outta it's home.

The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 24, 2013 - 01:58am PT
GCCers make absolutely ZERO sense. Zero.
Lennox

climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
May 24, 2013 - 04:44am PT
thechief spewed,

Folks as yourself are clueless as to why we drink/use.

Your usual selective reading and opinion/guess stated as if you know it's a fact--and you even qouted what I said, unbelievable . . . Such certaintanty about sh#t you know nothing about.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
May 24, 2013 - 08:50am PT
Banned. Knotts was a sock puppet of The Chief.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 24, 2013 - 08:50am PT
Thanks for all the real studies posted and analysis ED!!

FACTS:

The U.S. was the greatest contributer of greenhous gases for 1900-2000

China and India have overtaken us as the largest contributer of greenhouse gases

Excessive CO2 results in acidization of ocean water destroying coral

Earth's population is growing resulting in even more pressure on natural resources and more greenhouse gas emissions

The rest of the developing world desires the lifestyle we have in the U.S. wich will increase the greenhouse gas emissions---they don't want to hear they can't have our lifestyle.

It takes 10 acres of grain to produce 1 pound of high quality beef

Developing countries are eating more meat in thier diet than they have in the past

If every country ate as much meat as the U.S. it would take 4 earths to support that consumption

All of these facts I watched on a science channel program yesterday Sorry for lack of sources but I will post the sources and do the research after work.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 24, 2013 - 09:14am PT
The U.S. was the greatest contributer of greenhous gases for 1900-2000

You, your entire family, friends and everyone on this thread played a vital part in that statistic. Your personal lifestyles continue to pollute the atmosphere with carbon monoxide, hydro carbons etc. You all still do all that you do. Talk about yapping dogs crying foul. Hypocrites.


ED. I commend you on your dedication to your profession. Someone has to babysit those WMD's that your predecessors and peers designed and built. I love the fancy verbiage and title for "babysitter".

The latest "smoothed" 12 Month Mean "Surface/Satellite" running global temps. Notice how the RSS (NASA Satellite) and UAH (Satellite) are pretty much same same. Real Time Surface and Satellite show NO warming since 1999. Four (UAH, RSS, HADCRRUT 3 & 4) clearly showing the NO warming data since 1999. Keep up the bullshet propaganda guys. But the facts show the reality. ODD how the two US Gov't Agencies that require tax payer funding in order to exist, GSS (NASA) and NOAA are way off on the high end. Got to substantiate and propel the money coming in.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Satellite_Temperatures.png

It stopped. Oh the decline.

Such certaintanty about sh#t you know nothing about

Like I said ED, you don't "talk an alcoholic into quitting booze". They, the Alcoholic, must make that decision on their own. Daily. Sometimes hourly. They never quit booze. Booze always lingers and speaks to em in their head till the day they die. They just do not pick up for the day with the primary help of what science deems does not exist, a "Higher Power". If you ED, know "Bill", you would clearly understand and most certainly agree.
raymond phule

climber
May 24, 2013 - 09:43am PT
I like how an extreme value is used. It can make nice arguments like:

The warming stopped 98 (because that 98 is actually the extreme value).'
The earth has warmed considerable since 97
The earth has warmed considerable since 99

I am not sure but shouldn't we take into account the variability of the data in same way?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 24, 2013 - 10:19am PT
I am not sure but shouldn't we take into account the variability of the data in same way?

YES (I assume you mean sOme way). An important driver for ecosystem response is interannual variability (e.g. extreme dry years followed by an extreme wet years). The trend of increased interannual variability is very apparent in the recorded history of temperature, precipitation, and extreme weather events. Increased interannual variability is also clearly predicted by the GCMs.

But none of that matters because Chaff is an alcoholic who likes motorcycles.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 24, 2013 - 10:20am PT
ED already noted the "variability" aspect. But then, that aspect should go BOTH ways should it not. Applying strictly to the "warming" content is one sided and not looking at the "variable" data in a "fair" means.
raymond phule

climber
May 24, 2013 - 10:28am PT

ED already noted the "variability" aspect.
Yes, and probably 99% of humankind.


But then, that aspect should go BOTH ways should it not. Applying strictly to the "warming" content is one sided and not looking at the "variable" data in a "fair" means.

You really have no idea what I, Ed and the other billions of people mean.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 24, 2013 - 10:30am PT
we were told Fracturing was bad also.



funny thing happened on the way to the global warming apocalypse. First, temperatures stopped rising, defying the projections of supposed environmental experts. Then, increased oil-and-gas drilling, opposed by climate change true believers, helped reduce U.S. production of carbon dioxide emissions.

While environmental alarmists should express relief in being proven wrong, we doubt they'll take that tack. Even some global warming proponents now acknowledge that warming trends stalled beginning in the late 1990s, in spite of increased carbon dioxide emissions. The cause-and-effect link argued by climate-change believers has come under question.

New data show the revolution created by hydraulic fracturing techniques is paying dividends for those who want to reduce emissions. Thanks to increased natural gas production and associated lower prices, power plants are shifting from coal to cleaner-burning gas. As a result, U.S. carbon dioxide emissions declined 12 percent from 2005 to 2012, according to the Energy Information Administration, which also reports that national emissions are at their lowest point since 1994.

This will actually upset some environmentalists. The decline of carbon dioxide emissions wasn't supposed to happen this way..
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 24, 2013 - 10:34am PT
Where is all the rapidly accelerating global warming that is supposed to be gripping the world?

It’s not in the air. Atmospheric temperature readings show global temperatures have been flat for more than a decade.


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It’s not in the upper ocean. Sea surface temperature readings similarly show no recent warming.

It’s not in the polar ice caps. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration satellite data show polar ice is currently more extensive than the long-term average.

Global warming activists have finally come up with a last line of defense they know nobody will able to prove wrong: The missing global warming is in the Bermuda Triangle.

No, I am not kidding. This is what they are claiming.

You see, the alarmists have been telling us for decades that rapidly accelerating global warming was imminent and unavoidable. The problem for the alarmists is the warming that has occurred has been modest and decelerating. In fact, it has ground to a complete halt for more than a decade.

So how do Al Gore, Michael Mann and the rest of the global warming Chicken Little’s save face when their promised global warming apocalypse fails to occur? Easy, blame it on the Bermuda Triangle.

“Where did global warming go? The deep ocean, experts say,” claimed NBC News in an April 11 headline.

“Where’s the heat? In the oceans!” USA Today claimed in a headline the same day.

The headlines reflect a prominent global warming activist claiming that he developed a computer model by which global warming can bypass the atmosphere, bypass the upper ocean, and be entirely hidden in the deep ocean; you know, that part of our planet where we really can’t measure or find anything. The missing global warming is apparently hanging out at the underwater space alien base in the heart of the Bermuda Triangle, along with the missing files proving the 9/11 Truthers are right that George W. Bush bombed the World Trade Center, along with the Vast Rightwing Conspiracy files proving that Bill Clinton really did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky, and along with the missing film footage proving the seven Apollo astronauts and two Johnson Space Center directors who claim global warming is not a crisis really did stage their moon landings on a vacant lot somewhere in the Arizona desert.

The global warming activists, of course, do their best to make their Bermuda Triangle defense sound scientific. The paper claims all this phantom global warming really can directly bypass the atmosphere and the upper ocean if winds start blowing strangely enough and strongly enough to bury the warming deep in the ocean. Thankfully, we can spare ourselves the dizzying asserted logic of such claims by examining recent global sea surface wind data. As Bermuda Triangle-busting science would have it, NASA satellite instruments show global sea surface wind speeds have declined rather than increased during the past decade

. So much for the Bermuda Triangle….
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