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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 23, 2013 - 02:34pm PT
ive read many an paper , article and such about the reefs. EVERY one of them include the wording "possible" .

The reefs are 4200 yrs old or more. Survived far more extremes that present. Yet THAT doesnt "figure" into their "figures"...


And YOU are a highly educated NITWIT without the actual hands on ground level to go with it.. in other words,, a BSBD... Book smart brain dead..
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 23, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
And YOU are a highly educated NITWIT without the actual hands on ground level to go with it..

classic attack those those with "education" from those who don't have it

Anti-intellectualism is hostility towards and mistrust of intellect, intellectuals, and intellectual pursuits, usually expressed as the derision of education, philosophy, literature, art, and science, as impractical and contemptible.


I'll take high education every fuking day, Alex
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
May 23, 2013 - 02:38pm PT
For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.
H. L. Mencken

Yet it appeals to simpletons, because their simple minds can't fathom complexity.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
May 23, 2013 - 02:38pm PT
Survived far more extremes that present

You keep saying that, and I'm asking you to SHOW it. Show us the level of CO2 in the atmopsphere today, and the year and concentration of the highest level reached during one of these "far more extreme" conditions you claim existed in the past.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
May 23, 2013 - 02:44pm PT
Ok Ron, I'll help you out.

We recently crossed the 400ppm threshold, 400.06 to be exact (via NOAA measurements at Mauna Loa).

The last time Earth's atmosphere contained 400 parts per million of carbon dioxide was more than 2.5 million years ago, during the Pleistocene Epoch.

2.5 million is > 4200.

So, NO, despite your repeated claims,the coral reefs have NOT survived "more extreme" CO2 levels than we are experiencing today.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 23, 2013 - 02:44pm PT
research the last 4200 years of history ElCap.. Its already been posted here im sure. Even ice core samples from the arctic show ice outs within that time period. All Manner of fluctuations in CO2 as well. By extremes i meant FLUCTUATIONS..


4200 years plus,, and still there. MUCH affects coral growth,, the Moon for instance, as does,,, WIND. JUST like the antartic ice growth is now being attributed to (most likely). Windward exposed coral grows quicker that lee side corals. Many other factors are involved with the corals BESIDES CO2.




There are complex factors which both add to the growth of a reef and take away from it. For instance, attack by certain organisms and wave destruction will contribute to a decline in reef size. On the other hand, a growing reef can trap sediments as they are moved along by currents, thus adding to its thickness. Storms can dramatically add to the thickness of a reef by bringing in coral from other areas.
For example, in 1972, Cyclone Bebe ‘constructed’ a rampart of coral rubble 3.5 metres high, 37 metres wide and 18 kilometres long in a few hours.
Given all the above, it seems reasonable to rely on the actual figures reported from depth-sounding measurements for coral reef growth rates, rather than calculations trying to take all these other factors into account. Such reef growth rates have been reported as high as 414 millimetres per year in the Celebes. At such a rate, the entire thickness of the Eniwetok Atoll could have been formed in less than 3,500 years.
In addition, actual experiments indicate that the rate of coral growth can be nearly doubled by increasing the temperature five degrees Celsius (remember that Eniwetok sits on a now-extinct volcano), or increasing the carbonate content of sea water.
To maintain that Eniwetok Atoll could have formed in the time-span since the Flood recorded in Genesis is not at all inconsistent with real-world evidence.


Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
May 23, 2013 - 02:45pm PT
research the last 4200 years of history ElCap

Already have. See above. YOU ARE WRONG.
Bharata

Mountain climber
Pune
May 23, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
Desperate worriers for climate change to be real are as old as mankind.

NEWSWEEK APRIL 28 1975

1975 : Climatologists Were Worried That Politicians Wouldn’t Let Them Melt The Arctic In Time To Save The Planet.

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/05/23/1975-climatologists-were-worried-that-politicians-wouldnt-let-them-melt-the-arctic-in-time-to-save-the-planet/





Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 23, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
You did not write that Ron

Show a link when you quote other's work
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 23, 2013 - 03:01pm PT
Ron, when is the last time you snorkeled a living reef with an ecologist and an 80 year old lifetime fisherman from the area?

Me? Last December. Tell me again about all those "paper , article and such" and how I lack hands on experience.

And NO, coral reefs have NOT experienced higher CO2 levels in the last few million years... because the Earth has NOT experienced a 400 ppm CO2 atmosphere for a few million years.

Bummer, my initial impression was correct... you are an idiot.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 23, 2013 - 03:06pm PT
you cant read wes.. I SAID FLUCTUATIONS. And EL CAP already went over that as well - but good redundancy!. And since when do FISHERMAN get ANY "cred" from you..?
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 23, 2013 - 03:11pm PT
WESCHRIST

I do not think you pay more than I do. You can't. You are unemployed, part of the modern day entitlement brigade thus you get it for free. Obamacare took care of that.

Once again you show your complete lack of understanding.

Oh I understand it completely. No realistic viable solutions. None. But I do commend Mr.Sumner on his recent post regarding BASE. The fact is what BASE is a working component part of is indeed a viable realistic solution. Reality. Unfortunately, the likes of you and others here and out there in the ECO FREAK world, DO NOT want that solution. Instead, you want something that can not be implemented on a reasonable scale for the global masses anytime soon. Not one bit realistic. Fantasy utopia. Flowers and butterflies all the time. Not.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 23, 2013 - 03:14pm PT
excuse me but doesnt un employment stem from previous calendar quarters WORKED? ( its been way over thirty years since i saw any of that)
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 23, 2013 - 03:17pm PT
The Chef,what did /do you do for a living?
Bharata

Mountain climber
Pune
May 23, 2013 - 03:18pm PT
http://www.brandoncole.com/profile%20photos/HABITATS/artificial%20reef/px1299-D-electric_reef_brandon_cole.jpg


Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 23, 2013 - 03:23pm PT
WESCHRIST

I do not think you pay more than I do. You can't. You are unemployed, part of the modern day entitlement brigade thus you get it for free. Obamacare took care of that.

ok Chief,

I don't know if Weschrist is unemployed or not, and even if he was I can't see how that is relevant

but lets assume he is, you say he get health insurance for free and you say he gets it for free due to the new health legislation?

how so, Chief? what part of the legislation gives Weschrist free healthcare right now?

http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-facts.php
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 23, 2013 - 03:25pm PT
The Chief,what did /do you do for a living?

Saved peoples lives via the US NAVY SAR and C-SAR programs for most of my 24 yrs. Both in combat and non-combat globally including in Antarctica. Werner will verify that. Did several help extraction gigs with him back in the early 80's on El Cap.

Gotta problem with that Beer.

Edit.

Norton.

Come on. You know the gig. If one hasn't enough nor any funds to pay for their immediate health care, can prove they have LOW or NO income, the Health Care provider swallows the cost of services provided. Now more so after Obamacare. Fact. I have two guides that use that protocol when in need of services. One got over $30K in procedure and hospital care totally wrote off just last Fall.

wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 23, 2013 - 03:30pm PT
Not a problem at all.

I worked my way through college,paid for it myself and have been a self employed carpenter since 82.

Cool the rhetoric,AYE.
Problem with that?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 23, 2013 - 03:32pm PT
i have a problem with both of you.. Dang FLY FISHERMAN work WAY to hard to get a bait to the strike zone..;-)
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 23, 2013 - 03:35pm PT
I also spin fish w/good ole new york crawlers.
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