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mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 23, 2013 - 02:12pm PT
I bet I pay more than you.

Yep, potential... as in smart people don't pretend to know the future with certainty... only idiots and religitards do.

Where's the solutions?

Once again you show your complete lack of understanding.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 23, 2013 - 02:15pm PT
Base i sense you are conflicted. On the one hand you are in a sector of science that is applying technology very effectively to help gain our independence from the middle east and also provide centuries worth of clean burning natural gas that if totally embraced would get us 50% of the way to the CO2 reductions the nonsensical CAGW crowd is calling for. On the other hand you decry the "crimes against nature" that humanity, and in particular overuse of fossil fuels, inflicts on this poor earth.At times you must feel like John Muir with a jackhammer.You may at times lecture us on earth history (a wee bit arrogantly) and your opinion that CAGW is a proven science, but i commend you and the other applied scientists that are revolutionizing the fossil fuel industry and providing for a better tomorrow. At the least you are genuine, unlike Ed who i now know is heavily invested in implementation of IPCC recommendations.

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 23, 2013 - 02:19pm PT
I most assuredly pay more than you in cost share. 38%. Up from 25% this last fiscal year.

no honey, again you leap to a conclusion through erroneous assumption

unlike you, I am not on a government healthcare program

I pay 100% of my private health insurance premium

assuredly so
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 23, 2013 - 02:25pm PT
tell that to those reef fishies,, if you can stop them from partying long enough.;-) They too have somehow survived. And THRIVE on CO2.,.,.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
May 23, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
Not when the coral isn't healthy but still surviving.

I knew you wouldn't get it, as you have difficulties with concepts that are not black and white.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
May 23, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
Then I ask ,, once again,, how did Coral Survive other CO2 fluctuations and extremes. seeing as how they are old as 4200 years or more.

Ron, what is the level of atmosphereic C02 now, and what was the highest level reached prior to the industrial revolution?

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 23, 2013 - 02:29pm PT
Ron, you are aware that those reef fishes require... uh, reefs for habitat, right? Do you know what increase CO2 and global warming do to reefs? Of course you don't... you find a tiny piece of an enormous puzzle you know nothing about and think you have it all worked out. You are a simpleton... thank god you stuff dead things rather than partake in any decisions that affect the rest of us.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 23, 2013 - 02:33pm PT
Well Dick ,you are not genuine yourself with your heavily invested implementation of Big Oils agenda.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 23, 2013 - 02:34pm PT
ive read many an paper , article and such about the reefs. EVERY one of them include the wording "possible" .

The reefs are 4200 yrs old or more. Survived far more extremes that present. Yet THAT doesnt "figure" into their "figures"...


And YOU are a highly educated NITWIT without the actual hands on ground level to go with it.. in other words,, a BSBD... Book smart brain dead..
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 23, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
And YOU are a highly educated NITWIT without the actual hands on ground level to go with it..

classic attack those those with "education" from those who don't have it

Anti-intellectualism is hostility towards and mistrust of intellect, intellectuals, and intellectual pursuits, usually expressed as the derision of education, philosophy, literature, art, and science, as impractical and contemptible.


I'll take high education every fuking day, Alex
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
May 23, 2013 - 02:38pm PT
For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.
H. L. Mencken

Yet it appeals to simpletons, because their simple minds can't fathom complexity.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
May 23, 2013 - 02:38pm PT
Survived far more extremes that present

You keep saying that, and I'm asking you to SHOW it. Show us the level of CO2 in the atmopsphere today, and the year and concentration of the highest level reached during one of these "far more extreme" conditions you claim existed in the past.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
May 23, 2013 - 02:44pm PT
Ok Ron, I'll help you out.

We recently crossed the 400ppm threshold, 400.06 to be exact (via NOAA measurements at Mauna Loa).

The last time Earth's atmosphere contained 400 parts per million of carbon dioxide was more than 2.5 million years ago, during the Pleistocene Epoch.

2.5 million is > 4200.

So, NO, despite your repeated claims,the coral reefs have NOT survived "more extreme" CO2 levels than we are experiencing today.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 23, 2013 - 02:44pm PT
research the last 4200 years of history ElCap.. Its already been posted here im sure. Even ice core samples from the arctic show ice outs within that time period. All Manner of fluctuations in CO2 as well. By extremes i meant FLUCTUATIONS..


4200 years plus,, and still there. MUCH affects coral growth,, the Moon for instance, as does,,, WIND. JUST like the antartic ice growth is now being attributed to (most likely). Windward exposed coral grows quicker that lee side corals. Many other factors are involved with the corals BESIDES CO2.




There are complex factors which both add to the growth of a reef and take away from it. For instance, attack by certain organisms and wave destruction will contribute to a decline in reef size. On the other hand, a growing reef can trap sediments as they are moved along by currents, thus adding to its thickness. Storms can dramatically add to the thickness of a reef by bringing in coral from other areas.
For example, in 1972, Cyclone Bebe ‘constructed’ a rampart of coral rubble 3.5 metres high, 37 metres wide and 18 kilometres long in a few hours.
Given all the above, it seems reasonable to rely on the actual figures reported from depth-sounding measurements for coral reef growth rates, rather than calculations trying to take all these other factors into account. Such reef growth rates have been reported as high as 414 millimetres per year in the Celebes. At such a rate, the entire thickness of the Eniwetok Atoll could have been formed in less than 3,500 years.
In addition, actual experiments indicate that the rate of coral growth can be nearly doubled by increasing the temperature five degrees Celsius (remember that Eniwetok sits on a now-extinct volcano), or increasing the carbonate content of sea water.
To maintain that Eniwetok Atoll could have formed in the time-span since the Flood recorded in Genesis is not at all inconsistent with real-world evidence.


Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
May 23, 2013 - 02:45pm PT
research the last 4200 years of history ElCap

Already have. See above. YOU ARE WRONG.
Bharata

Mountain climber
Pune
May 23, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
Desperate worriers for climate change to be real are as old as mankind.

NEWSWEEK APRIL 28 1975

1975 : Climatologists Were Worried That Politicians Wouldn’t Let Them Melt The Arctic In Time To Save The Planet.

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/05/23/1975-climatologists-were-worried-that-politicians-wouldnt-let-them-melt-the-arctic-in-time-to-save-the-planet/





Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 23, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
You did not write that Ron

Show a link when you quote other's work
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 23, 2013 - 03:01pm PT
Ron, when is the last time you snorkeled a living reef with an ecologist and an 80 year old lifetime fisherman from the area?

Me? Last December. Tell me again about all those "paper , article and such" and how I lack hands on experience.

And NO, coral reefs have NOT experienced higher CO2 levels in the last few million years... because the Earth has NOT experienced a 400 ppm CO2 atmosphere for a few million years.

Bummer, my initial impression was correct... you are an idiot.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 23, 2013 - 03:06pm PT
you cant read wes.. I SAID FLUCTUATIONS. And EL CAP already went over that as well - but good redundancy!. And since when do FISHERMAN get ANY "cred" from you..?
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 23, 2013 - 03:11pm PT
WESCHRIST

I do not think you pay more than I do. You can't. You are unemployed, part of the modern day entitlement brigade thus you get it for free. Obamacare took care of that.

Once again you show your complete lack of understanding.

Oh I understand it completely. No realistic viable solutions. None. But I do commend Mr.Sumner on his recent post regarding BASE. The fact is what BASE is a working component part of is indeed a viable realistic solution. Reality. Unfortunately, the likes of you and others here and out there in the ECO FREAK world, DO NOT want that solution. Instead, you want something that can not be implemented on a reasonable scale for the global masses anytime soon. Not one bit realistic. Fantasy utopia. Flowers and butterflies all the time. Not.
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