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The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 11, 2013 - 11:55am PT
Chief, you're photo does show a dry year.

More like an avg year Gary. But your selective lapse of memory disallows you to think back more than five years. Then again, it is convenient to just selectively recall ONLY the high snow years which in fact are far and few between.

The photo below was taken June 16th, 2002



In other news, I found this very scary:

Released this morning, the IEA report shows carbon dioxide from energy emissions
rose 1.4 percent globally last year, a new record, and puts the world on pace
for a 5.3 degree Celsius (9 degrees Fahrenheit) rise in global temperatures by 2020.


That is a damn serious forecast...


Just like them other "Forecasts" that have yet to come true. But then again KMAN, fatalism requires the proliferation of false propaganda. I think you need to pack your bags and run to, well, just run for your life.

Ask anybody with a reason to know (like any fire chief)--we are in a friggin' drought.

Just like ALL them other DROUGHTS we here in CA have experienced in the past 150 years. Nothing new KMAN!

Take a look at em all below KMAN!



All that water I drive by in Lake Dom Pedro on Rt. 120 goes to agriculture...

Where else should that water goes towards ED? Your shitters?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jun 11, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
Snow in June, 2002 was well below average as well.

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The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 11, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
Monolith

No shet Sherlock!

Now go and do the following seasons and you will find the same.
1881
1886
1889
1898
1908
1912
1924
1932
1948
1951
1962
1976
1977
1987

Do a little more homework and you will find that these seasons were La Nina and positive AO years. DAH!


ED
Here is a plot I made of the number of days a year that Tioga Pass is open, since the 1930's, on average it gains 1 day a year (that's the slope of the straight line)

That is NOT based on snowfall ED. What a crock of shet. That is based on NPS manpower and ability to keep 120 open longer.

monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jun 11, 2013 - 12:15pm PT
You are the one who posted a pic of 2002, Chief. If you want top keep changing the year, go ahead.

We know what big snow years look like in the Sierras. You don't.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 11, 2013 - 12:18pm PT
Show the BIG SNOW years MONOLITH.

Compare em to the LOW years.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jun 11, 2013 - 12:19pm PT
Done!

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The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 11, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That doesn't show shet. Just an avg. BFD.


Post graphs for all them years that were LOW SNOW YEARS. Them years that occurred LONG before any warming occurred. 1960 on back.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jun 11, 2013 - 12:24pm PT
It shows the actual amounts for a big snow year, silly boy, and compares them to 2002, a low year you have a pic from.

Again, I'm not claiming anything about climate change and snow levels.

You started this by posting pics of the Sierra's. We know this is a low snow year, and so was the 2001-2002 season. Apparently you still don't.
WBraun

climber
Jun 11, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
monolith -- "We know what big snow years look like in the Sierras. You don't."

Coming from a guy who lives in the bay area.

You might want to reword that statement of yours.

How many big winters have you actually been present in the sierras during whole winters?

Yeah ... we get it.

You look at pictures and graphs and models to make deceptive statements such as "You don't"

Try spending a few BIG winters in the sierras digging and shoveling daily.

Warning -- this response has nothing to do with climate change ......

Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 11, 2013 - 12:38pm PT
Could of said that in the complete reverse last year and the year before when it was snowing in the July at 11k...

Once again confusing freak WEATHER events with CLIMATE, moran.



wooohooo 10,000!!! And look at the progress we have made.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 11, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
HEY!

Global Warming at it's best.



Sun boosts EU wheat crop prospects, Britain a black spot

HAMBURG, June 11 (Reuters) - The arrival of sunny weather has improved the outlook for the European's Union's wheat crop this year but there are serious concerns Britain's crop will fall, analysts said on Tuesday.

The long winter and rainy May created concern that wheat could face serious growth delays, but the long-hoped for arrival of sunshine and warmth has enabled it to catch up.

"Overall I think the EU is on course for a satisfactory average harvest," said Claus Keller, grains specialist with German commodity analysts F.O. Licht. "Most EU countries are on course for a reasonable crop apart from the United Kingdom, which is the main problem area for wheat in the EU."

"From the current state of crops it looks like Britain could again be a major wheat importer in the current year instead of being an exporter."

F.O. Licht forecasts the EU summer 2013 wheat crop at 129 million tonnes, up from 127 million tonnes last year.

In the EU's largest wheat producer France, warm, sunny weather has favoured wheat but development is late after the wet and cool spring.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/11/europe-wheat-harvest-idUSL5N0EN2P420130611?feedType=RSS&feedName=industrialsSector&rpc=43

Damn! All that extended Winter weather caused by the WARMING is seriously taking a toll.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jun 11, 2013 - 01:04pm PT
That comes under the category of 'climate change', Chief. Try to learn how averages work.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 11, 2013 - 01:18pm PT
That comes under the category of 'climate change', Chief. Try to learn how averages work.

YUP. And that has been happening on a consistent basis since day one. Climate Change that is.


So, this is the REST OF THE STORY concerning KMAN's IEA story.

The agency said that the coal industry in particular needs to take the development of carbon capture and storage (CCS) technology more seriously to ensure cleaner use of the fossil fuel. CCS buries and traps CO2 underground but it is not yet a commercially viable proposition.

"Realistically, we need to see CCS penetrate within the next 10 years - certainly no later than 2025 - or the fossil fuel industry will be caught unprepared," Birol said.
International negotiators are in Bonn, Germany, until Friday for United Nations talks aimed getting a new global climate treaty signed by 2015 and in force by 2020.

U.N. climate chief Christiana Figueres said that the IEA report comes at a crucial time for the talks.
http://news.yahoo.com/global-carbon-emissions-hit-record-high-2012-135456456.html


Now what a coincidence how this all comes just in time for the "negotiations". Really now.

IEA = UN = IPCC

ED
didn't say anything about snow fall, The Chief, just an observation, just the facts, ya know?

That facts to what. How long TM stays open so that the US Gov't can take in revenue? Thus your "facts" have absolutely nothing to do with GCC. Got it.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jun 11, 2013 - 01:20pm PT
and the Chief get post number 10,000 !!!

well done
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 11, 2013 - 01:33pm PT
a d u l t s ?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jun 11, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
cereal deleters
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 11, 2013 - 02:15pm PT
MONOLUTH.

Here is a little "science" that explains the "low snow" issue that occurs on a regular basis. And it comes from NASA!

Jan. 19, 2012: Winter seems to have been on hold this year in some parts of the United States. Snowfall has been scarce so far in places that were overwhelmed with the white stuff by the same time last year.

California dog driver Tony Phillips poses with his new sled near Mammoth Mountain. In winter 2011 this spot was covered by several feet of snow; in 2012 it is bare dirt.Here's a prime example. "The Mammoth Mountain ski resort in the Sierras of California got more than 200 inches of snow last December," says NASA climatologist Bill Patzert of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory. "This December they got less than 10 inches. "Temperatures have flip-flopped too. There were 583 new heat records broken in the first five days of January in the US.

"It's 86 degrees in Los Angeles today [Wednesday, January 4th]," says Patzert. "Everyone thinks it's July! In fact, it's warmer today in LA than it was on July 4th last year. And it's been in the 60s and 70 even in the Dakotas lately."

On January 5th in Bismark, North Dakota, it was 62 -- a marked departure from their average 23 degrees for that day. It was 66 in Denver, Colorado, where it's usually in the low 40s on that date.What's going on? Patzert identifies two culprits: La Niņa and the Arctic Oscillation.

First of all," he explains, "we are experiencing a La Niņa pattern of sea surface temperatures in the Pacific Ocean. This pushes the jet stream and the cold arctic air northward."

"On top of that, this year's Arctic Oscillation has been stronger."
The Arctic Oscillation is a see-sawing pressure difference between the Arctic and lower latitudes. When the pressure difference is high, a whirlpool of air forms around the North Pole. Last year, the whirlpool motion was weaker, allowing cold air to escape from the polar regions and head southward to the US.

"This year the whirlpool has been more forceful, corralling the cold air and keeping it nearer the pole. That has reinforced the La Niņa impact."

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2012/17jan_missingsnow/

Ya notice how no where in this analysis is the term GCC or AGW utilized. Hmmmmmm.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 11, 2013 - 02:30pm PT
FACT:

We are well below average SWE in the Sierra.

The southern Sierra has been drier than 1977 since April.

The northern and central Sierra have been drier than 1977 since early May.

Conditions like that immediately after the second driest year since 1977 will have a significant impact on food production.


I would love to see Chaff tell a Texas cattle farmer or REAL central valley farmer that it isn't dry. I'm sure they will believe him... he was in the Navy.

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jun 11, 2013 - 02:47pm PT
Yet countless acre-feet of fresh water will still flow into the Bay.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 11, 2013 - 03:17pm PT
As it has done naturally for millennia.

So what?
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