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Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 11, 2013 - 12:45am PT
The climate isn't warming... even if it is warming it isn't do to humans... according to the best science, the climate has changed before... scientists worship [something] so they can't be trusted, unless of course I agree with them... the models can't predict the future... and finally, it doesn't matter because the universe is so big.

Surely this process has been studied by psychologists.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 11, 2013 - 01:11am PT
The only thing I predict is more evidence of repressed latent homosexual deviancy in retired ex military men living on the Eastside

I highly suggest to stick to and keep working on your "weatherman" gig Bruce. Odds, as bad as they currently are, fair better for you. Really.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jun 11, 2013 - 01:12am PT
Hard to figure out exactly what's going on with the polar bears, but Ron seems to have the right idea.
There was a good article in last week's Economist explaining why bears seem to be thriving even though melting sea ice would seem to cause problems.

http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21578638-diet-goose-flesh-may-help-polar-bears-survive-global-warming-sacred-geese

Look like they're just eating more geese now to make up for harder-to-get seals. Some eggheads had "proved" that geese weren't a good substitute with some modeling, but the eggheads forgot to take something into account (cooling effect of water), so their calculations were basically useless. Hmmm, I was wonder if there are any lessons here that may apply more generally . . .


rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 11, 2013 - 01:15am PT
Wasn't talking about the second paper Bruce. I had been reading then posted after only seeing the first.That is the way of Ed, throw out one relatively neutral followed by, well the high preist himself.

My thoughts exactly Chief. We will never know anywhere near all. It is like an infinite layer of shells, you just figure out how to hatch out of the first and then you are gone long before you could even consider pecking through the next of the infinite.

Yeah you"re on to something Blah Blah, to bad the experts can't see it too.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 11, 2013 - 01:23am PT
Why all the amateur shrinkage Bruce? I thought you dug elbows and as#@&%es out of the snow?
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jun 11, 2013 - 01:34am PT
How was LPP Gary. I notice you took the descent choss pile gully as you ascent route. Why not the NR? Did you notice the CA Precip % I posted Gary. 20-40" annually for the SO SIERRA.

It was hot. And dry. And it is a choss gully! We had a nice time, though, beautiful area, great views from the top. Busy on the summit, got buzzed by a sail plane. Two German fellows popped up while we were there from the north ridge route. They did car to car in 16 hours.

Not much snow though, and it's still spring, Chief. And yes, thanks for posting the charts that supported my claim of a dry year.

You remind me of this thru-hiker we saw on the PCT a few weeks ago down in Rockhouse Basin. He said it wasn't a dry year, too. Hey, he was from Wisconsin and had hiked the JMT once, so he was an expert on the Sierra, right?

Have you taken a good look at the Great Western Divide?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jun 11, 2013 - 08:03am PT
Hey Chief...How come you aren't hanging out at Tom's place with all the other retired Navy guys...?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jun 11, 2013 - 08:14am PT
Chief...You could probably get a job modeling underwear and bouncing drunk climbers down there at Toms to supplement your pension...? Plus rock creek runs all year...Just a thought...
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 11, 2013 - 08:34am PT
Not much snow though, and it's still spring, Chief

Could of said that in the complete reverse last year and the year before when it was snowing in the July at 11k and Thor Falls did not thaw out till the last week of July first week of Aug. Unheard of actually. It is the the way it is Gary. The weather. NOT climate. Remember you all claim weather is NOT climate when the reverse was occurring two years ago and snowfall records fell throughout the Sierra. Oh my. How the mind forgets huh Gary. BTW Gary, Summer officially begins in 10 days. Many lakes above 11k are still FROZEN. This was taken last Tuesday. 20 days from the start of Summer. Damn it's dry up there. Hmmmm.



And yes, thanks for posting the charts that supported my claim of a dry year.

Put your glasses back on Gary after you wipe off all the sweat. Now look at the SO SIERRA. Again Gary. It is weather. NOT climate. If one adds the past ten years of snowfall in the SO Sierra, one will find that the last ten years have in fact been ABOVE AVG by almost 15".

Hell, take the mean snowfall of the last four years and you will find that the Sierra is 21" ABOVE the norm.

One of the main issues that the State of CA has is the total lack of reservoirs. All due in part because ECO FREAKS as yourself that continuously fight against having them built. Thus all that snowmelt and rain water goes straight into the Pacific Ocean. Then you all whine when there is no water to be had.

Oh the hypocrisy.




Chief...You could probably get a job modeling underwear and bouncing drunk climbers down there at Toms to supplement your pension...? Plus rock creek runs all year...Just a thought..

Yup. I could. But I'd rather not. No need actually. I'd rather be available to stay right here and inflict havoc on you Fantasy 5 fatalist AGWers. BTW JR, fished the Upper Box Lakes last week Thursday. Hooked a Brookie on just about every cast. Not a soul human all day to bother us. The climate was simply perfect.

My "modelling" would be spot on accurate. Unlike the 40+ multi-millions of wasted dollars "White Coat" climate models out there aimlessly attempting to predict the future of planet earth.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jun 11, 2013 - 09:52am PT
Yes, Chief, look at the Southern Sierra.

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The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 11, 2013 - 10:06am PT
Hey Monolith, post up the AVGs for the past 100 Seasons. Not just this season.

Here, I will help you. We will begin with this one.



monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jun 11, 2013 - 10:10am PT
Chief, the claim from myself was this snow season was low. Try to focus.

You keep showing pics of this year like you are trying to prove something.

Your last chart does not show the latest winter season or the previous. Hard to believe you are so dumb.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 11, 2013 - 10:34am PT
Let's look at this one Monolith.


And this one. Hmmmm.



Please do apply glasses if necessary.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jun 11, 2013 - 10:41am PT
That was the first part of the season, Chief. We had a good start. My chart shows that as well.

If you can't handle the simple stuff, how do you expect to deal with much more complicated science?
dirtbag

climber
Jun 11, 2013 - 10:41am PT
Chief are you really this dum? Exhibit 1 only goes thru feb. The rest of the winter and spring were very dry. Ex. 2 ends at 2009.

Typical chief running mouth. Doesn't let facts get in the way of his firmly held beliefs, lol.
dirtbag

climber
Jun 11, 2013 - 11:05am PT
^^^^^Good one!^^^^^^
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 11, 2013 - 11:14am PT
The Chief has a valid point about the the reservoirs. Most of Cali is a desert, unproductive without aqua engineering. If your good buddies in all the competing enviro destruction corps get their way all the damns will be removed and the hoses quenching your thirst in the rat race population centers severed. Don't worry though, you can get by for awhile recycling each others excrement and drug laced urine for sustenance. On any normal planet it just wouldn't make any sense, but then again it is california.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jun 11, 2013 - 11:19am PT
Chief, you're photo does show a dry year.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 11, 2013 - 11:32am PT
The Chief is an imbecile.

Ask anybody with a reason to know (like any fire chief)--we are in a friggin' drought.

Please go play with your toys The Chief, your foolishness shines too brightly here.


In other news, I found this very scary:

Released this morning, the IEA report shows carbon dioxide from energy emissions
rose 1.4 percent globally last year, a new record, and puts the world on pace
for a 5.3 degree Celsius (9 degrees Fahrenheit) rise in global temperatures by 2020.


That is a damn serious forecast...
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Jun 11, 2013 - 11:48am PT
Diane Rehm is discussing climate change on today's show. Should be on in a bit on the west coast.
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