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McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Aug 7, 2013 - 09:15pm PT
That's the spirit. I miss those doggies! It's really a better way to communicate.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 7, 2013 - 11:59pm PT
It doesn't even seem like you guys are arguing the same subject?

So here's one for ya, what's the difference between "reason" and "common sense"?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 8, 2013 - 12:08am PT
Ed, The Chief, Rick can't take your calls now-out climbing till sunday evening-please leave message. Beep.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Aug 8, 2013 - 02:19am PT
What's funny is what Judith Curry has to say about it. Her opening statement is so predictable since she is the Queen of Uncertainty and how to use it politically. She might just be looking for a new job soon, but tucked away where she is she is pretty safe. Here is what she says from her blog;

JC comments

" Of the two statements, I vastly prefer Roger Pielke Sr’s statement,since he discusses the complexity of the issue and the uncertainties.

That said, I will once again question why AGU or any other professional society is issuing statements on this topic. IMO, AGU’s statement is one of the worst I’ve seen from a professional society on this topic, in particular its title ‘Human-induced climate change requires urgent action.’ This is an explicit statement of advocacy, that goes well beyond what the IPCC has said (and is expected to say in the AR5; we will see).

What really irks me about this statement is that I am a member of the AGU, and therefore this statement is implicitly speaking for me. It is clear that not even the 15 AGU members set to write this statement agreed, since one of their members (Pielke) has written a dissenting statement. The words ‘uncertainty’ or ‘debate’ are not used in the statement, leaving no wiggle room for them to pretend that this statement accounts for the range of perspectives in the AGU (or even within the writing committee), or the uncertainties.

If the AGU wants to maintain credibility as a scientific organization, it should do some serious self reflection. "

Ha! If the AGU wants to maintain credibility it will show her the door! The foot-dragger Curry wonders WHY the AGU made a statement at this time. I wonder how long she will keep up her stupid ruse, or how much longer the world will let her. It's time to move on.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Aug 8, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
I think it can be said that to the extent that Curry is agreeing with the AGW side in her most recent statements, she is already scrambling to save whatever credibility she has left. She will have to get her sh#t together and let her affiliation with the Denialists go, or get a job with the tobacco industry.

It's a funny image thinking of Foot-Dragger Curry straddling the fence of AGW V The Denialists. There is no question which side she will ultimately end up on......she has already crossed BACK over more to AGWists.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Aug 8, 2013 - 12:59pm PT
Do any of you smart guys know of a way to reverse the climate change?

If not, we're better off directing our resources toward dealing with the consequences of a changing climate.

Either way, it needs to be done quickly.

Me, I'd like it if it were warmer around here. Maybe my avocados wouldn't freeze so often.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 8, 2013 - 01:09pm PT
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Aug 8, 2013 - 01:28pm PT
So what do you do, Monolith? Reverse it? Or adjust to it?

We have to choose, and we need to do it quickly.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 8, 2013 - 01:43pm PT
You do what you can, Chaz. If reducing the growth of CO2 emissions now will reduce the potential impact in the future, then that sounds like a reasonable thing to do.

Why do you make it a choice of one or the other?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 8, 2013 - 01:55pm PT
^^And you are certain there won't be severe impacts? Do ya mind if we study the problem?^^

If we can keep man from causing the next worldwide catastrophe, we should try.

If nature wants to cause one in a few million years, fine.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Aug 8, 2013 - 02:16pm PT
So Ron, you don't accept the simple fact that humans are warming the planet?

Why?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 8, 2013 - 03:15pm PT
And we continue to learn more and more. Is that ok with you?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 8, 2013 - 05:11pm PT
Are all the questions answered yet, Chief?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 8, 2013 - 05:14pm PT
Did someone say "pause"?


dirtbag

climber
Aug 9, 2013 - 12:29pm PT
I'm sure all your John Bircher, black-helicopter fearing, jackalope stuffing buddies find that hilarious.
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Aug 9, 2013 - 03:38pm PT
Good one, Ron!

Reminds me of the bible belt tea-bagger Foxbot who spent his life eating junk food and swilling beer, ending up morbidly obese. One day he found himself out of work because his boss was downsizing and there was no union to protect the workers' interests.

Guy gets all depressed and ends up having a heart attack. Goes to the hospital to get treated, but finds out that his health insurance has denied his claim based on a pre-existing condition (obesity). Too bad he pushed so hard to get affordable healthcare reversed. He might've lived.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Aug 9, 2013 - 04:03pm PT
China is seeding clouds during the current heat wave.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/09/china-rain-heatwave-tech
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Aug 9, 2013 - 07:24pm PT
Have some fun and blame the other guys.


Norway study blames German tourists for global warming
http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/08/09/norway-study-blames-german-tourists-for-global-warming/


or
German study blames Norway tourists for global warming.

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Aug 9, 2013 - 07:47pm PT
I've been to Germany. So Germans want to leave as soon as possible, too?

DMT
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Aug 14, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
This thread needs a bump so here is my mini-rant on the subject:

I have seen global warming with my own eyes in the mountains throughout my life. It is clear to me. How others refuse to see it, I cannot duplicate.

However, I strongly disagree with cap & trade. It is not a good solution because it does not go far enough. Companies buying the right to pollute is insane.

We need to find a way to make transportation and products that do not pollute. We need to work together globally to live clean and sustainably even with a population of tens of billions.

If you remove the human global warming factors, geologists tell us the next Ice Age is not due for another 50,000 years, so things could get warmer anyway.

Live clean or die.
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