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Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Aug 8, 2013 - 02:16pm PT
So Ron, you don't accept the simple fact that humans are warming the planet?

Why?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 8, 2013 - 03:15pm PT
And we continue to learn more and more. Is that ok with you?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 8, 2013 - 05:11pm PT
Are all the questions answered yet, Chief?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 8, 2013 - 05:14pm PT
Did someone say "pause"?


dirtbag

climber
Aug 9, 2013 - 12:29pm PT
I'm sure all your John Bircher, black-helicopter fearing, jackalope stuffing buddies find that hilarious.
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Aug 9, 2013 - 03:38pm PT
Good one, Ron!

Reminds me of the bible belt tea-bagger Foxbot who spent his life eating junk food and swilling beer, ending up morbidly obese. One day he found himself out of work because his boss was downsizing and there was no union to protect the workers' interests.

Guy gets all depressed and ends up having a heart attack. Goes to the hospital to get treated, but finds out that his health insurance has denied his claim based on a pre-existing condition (obesity). Too bad he pushed so hard to get affordable healthcare reversed. He might've lived.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Aug 9, 2013 - 04:03pm PT
China is seeding clouds during the current heat wave.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/09/china-rain-heatwave-tech
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Aug 9, 2013 - 07:24pm PT
Have some fun and blame the other guys.


Norway study blames German tourists for global warming
http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/08/09/norway-study-blames-german-tourists-for-global-warming/


or
German study blames Norway tourists for global warming.

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Aug 9, 2013 - 07:47pm PT
I've been to Germany. So Germans want to leave as soon as possible, too?

DMT
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Aug 14, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
This thread needs a bump so here is my mini-rant on the subject:

I have seen global warming with my own eyes in the mountains throughout my life. It is clear to me. How others refuse to see it, I cannot duplicate.

However, I strongly disagree with cap & trade. It is not a good solution because it does not go far enough. Companies buying the right to pollute is insane.

We need to find a way to make transportation and products that do not pollute. We need to work together globally to live clean and sustainably even with a population of tens of billions.

If you remove the human global warming factors, geologists tell us the next Ice Age is not due for another 50,000 years, so things could get warmer anyway.

Live clean or die.
abrams

Sport climber
Aug 14, 2013 - 02:24pm PT
whats up Spider?

Say you do an experiment to prove global warming to us all.
Place 2 regular ice cubes out in the sun. Sprinkle black soot from your
fireplace on top one of them. Now the one with the soot will melt faster
thus proving the atmosphere has gotten warmer due to all the extra CO2 in
it.

It that logical?


or

http://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2012/08/climate-black-carbon-cause-glacier-melt-china

Although I think pollution falling onto glaciers is the sole cause of
accelerated melting. Not a secondary as the writers of this article has
to include to appease the jack booted global warmists.





Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Aug 15, 2013 - 07:29pm PT
The Chief and Burchy highjacking another thread with irrelevant ice climbing discussions...how useful. So how do you like those tools compared to BD Cobras? Seems like Cobras could do everything from hard ice to mixed to alpine. And are light...
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 18, 2013 - 06:04pm PT
SOOOO-OK
science brought us the fire breathing engines. And now science is telling us their ruining the planet. Didn't they know that 60 yrs ago? So who's to blame, the addict or the dealer?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 18, 2013 - 06:15pm PT
What's wrong Bruce? Are you a little bored in your flood plain trailer park? Wander next door, your tweaker neighbors are probably "cooking".

Just a controlled leak draft to gauge public sentiment. Yawn.
dirtbag

climber
Aug 18, 2013 - 09:39pm PT
SOOOO-OK
science brought us the fire breathing engines. And now science is telling us their ruining the planet. Didn't they know that 60 yrs ago? So who's to blame, the addict or the dealer?


That's deep.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Aug 18, 2013 - 10:57pm PT
http://www.skepticalscience.com/Climate-Change-Denial-book.html
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 18, 2013 - 11:17pm PT
the 1956 Plass paper named a few effects to follow to validate theories. Seems to me he was spot on with temps following reduced solar activity from then into the seventies followed by extraordinarily high activity cycles and rising temps. The CO2 hypothesis he laid out as temps following in line with atmospheric CO2 content seems to be in deviation of prediction as of late.We await a major volcanic eruption to test the other hypothesis.

I have an idea where the your missing temps could be-perhaps dissipated in oscillations of an expansive/contractive atmosphere. Wouldn't take much.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 18, 2013 - 11:54pm PT
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 19, 2013 - 12:26am PT
I beg your pardon-what about the return of the Ice age scare of the early seventies? Seems to me that implies the acknowledgement of a cooling trend of the immediate past, one which popular hysteria projected would accelerate in the future.

What's clear is that we had a rapid transition caused by both an increase in Solar activity and positive phases of oceanic cycles in the late seventies. Look at temperature records in Alaska and other arctic zones for validation of that fact. Look also at 1998 for northern hemisphere wide validation of the overwhelming forcing effect of oceanic cycles-not mentioned in the Plass abstract.CO2/temp increases do not show as good of correlation.

Now what about my "expansive atmosphere" for a face saving out for the CAGW crowd. I don't know where the idea came from, probably somewhere in the 30 inch stack.
dirtbag

climber
Aug 19, 2013 - 12:45am PT

In the mean time, the rest of the world doing it's thing and not giving a flying ratass about your GCC/AGW Utopian bullshet.

That is a reality MONOLITH and BRUCE and KMAN and the rest of you naive spoiled Utopian Liberal Ideological politically biased Amerikans.



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