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McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
May 22, 2013 - 06:56pm PT
Prolly all the viagra flowing into them.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 22, 2013 - 06:59pm PT
I have a theory, when Rosie ODonnel goes to another destination, there is a sudden jolt in the earths axis allowing un natural sun penetration in the arctic region of the globe, and causes depth readings of oceans to fluctuate..
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 22, 2013 - 07:00pm PT
It's either that ,or we are drinking more....
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
May 22, 2013 - 07:01pm PT
Ron, it's cause you guys got into the lifeboats. :>)

Greenland and Antarctica will rise as their glaciers melt, but that could be the Viagra too.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 22, 2013 - 07:06pm PT
It's all because of commi's,giving a shyt, like me.No corporate sponsorship,too fun luvin,self employed,son of a ww2 vet types.



HA HA HA!
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 22, 2013 - 07:18pm PT



Here is a good example of what I am talking about: CIRCULAR REASONING


Circular reasoning (also known as paradoxical thinking[citation needed] or circular logic), is a logical fallacy in which "the reasoner begins with what he or she is trying to end up with".[1] The individual components of a circular argument will sometimes be logically valid because if the premises are true, the conclusion must be true, and will not lack relevance. Circular logic cannot prove a conclusion because, if the conclusion is doubted, the premise which leads to it will also be doubted.[2] Begging the question is a form of circular reasoning.[3]

Circular reasoning is often of the form: "a is true because b is true; b is true because a is true." Circularity can be difficult to detect if it involves a longer chain of propositions. Academic Douglas Walton used the following example of a fallacious circular argument:

Wellington is in New Zealand.
Therefore, Wellington is in New Zealand.[4]

although the argument is deductively valid, it cannot prove that Wellington is in New Zealand because it contains no evidence that is distinct from the conclusion. The context that of an argument means that the proposition does not meet the requirement of proving the statement, thus it is a fallacy.
wiki
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 22, 2013 - 07:22pm PT
and very frequently on this thread attempts at rational discourse are destroyed by this rascal:


A polysyllogism (also called multi-premise syllogism, sorites, climax, or gradatio) is a string of any number of propositions forming together a sequence of syllogisms such that the conclusion of each syllogism, together with the next proposition, is a premise for the next, and so on. Each constituent syllogism is called a prosyllogism except the very last, because the conclusion of the last syllogism is not a premise for another syllogism. For example:

It is raining.
If we go out while it is raining we will get wet.
If we get wet, we will get cold.
Therefore, if we go out we will get cold.

NOT TRUE, but this is used VERY effectively to convince yourself that you are right about something
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 22, 2013 - 07:28pm PT
Breaking out gateway drugs.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 22, 2013 - 07:38pm PT
Norton I think I'm going to have my nieces and nephews start posting for me I'll start with the 4 year old who will get her research from Spongebob after a few weeks of observing Ron's replies I will understand if there is any point in posting myself again.

I mean there a few Island tribes who are looking for a place to relocate to NOW!! and he continues to post supposed research with no links, have obviously not read the research in the links, and throws out reasons like dolphins drinking the water as jokes that are alarmingly similar to the serious points he is trying to make...for this problem I need more than a drink I think I need some mendo fatty's
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 22, 2013 - 07:39pm PT
just curious and a little ot sort of,, but has ANYONE figured out ANY "implication" on society from the "study" of duck penises? Anyone? Bueller?? Ive seen my share,, trust me,, there is nothing there.


hey Norton,, CONGRATS on yur new buddy in the thread LMAO! Another point for my side..
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
May 22, 2013 - 07:50pm PT
There's something there once they get in water laden with Viagra, and then that makes the water level rise too.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2009/12/22/ballistic-penises-and-corkscrew-vaginas-the-sexual-battles-of-ducks/

wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 22, 2013 - 08:30pm PT
Circular Reasoning,more than a few points for earths side.
For vertebrates with an lnterest because they ski.
http://protectourwinters.org/climate-snow
I also work in this industry.



Just so you know,total BS,just a bunch of hippy skiers.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 22, 2013 - 09:16pm PT
Just want to get back OT and alarm someone.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/05/22/2047111/china-carbon-cap/
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 22, 2013 - 09:26pm PT
DOH!



DOH DOH!


DODOHDOH!




Overestimate Atmospheric Warming

Major IPCC Climate Scientist Publishes Paper Listing Significant Failures of Climate Models

Read here. Kevin Trenberth, like so many of his IPCC AGW-comrades recently, is finally admitting there exists many shortcomings and failures in the global warming "consensus" science. In Trenberth's case, he body slams the climate models, which all the alarmist catastrophic predictions are based on.

Specifically, Trenberth takes issue with the climate models' inadequacies in regards to precipitation. Such as:

"...all models contain large errors in precipitation simulations, both in terms of mean fields and their annual cycle, as well as their characteristics: the intensity, frequency, and duration of precipitation..."
"...relates to poor depiction of transient tropical disturbances, including easterly waves, Madden-Julian Oscillations, tropical storms, and hurricanes..."
"...confidence in model results for changes in extremes is tempered by the large scatter among the extremes in modeling today's climate, especially in the tropics and subtropics..."
"...it appears that many, perhaps all, global climate and numerical weather prediction models and even many high-resolution regional models have a premature onset of convection and overly frequent precipitation with insufficient intensity,..."
"...model-simulated precipitation "occurs prematurely and too often, and with insufficient intensity, resulting in recycling that is too large..."
"...a lifetime of moisture in the atmosphere that is too short, which affects runoff and soil moisture..."
and finally, he has a NSS moment..."major challenges remain to improve model simulations of the hydrological cycle."
[Kevin Trenberth 2011: Climate Research]

Sooo, climates models can't do precipitation (rain/snow/hail). That's not much of a surprise to skeptics, plus it is widely known throughout the scientific world that climate models are also unable to do: water vapor, wind, clouds, ocean oscillations, atmospheric oscillations, ocean currents, polar ice sheets, positive feedback, negative feedback, climate sensitivity, aerosol impacts, submerged volcano impacts, solar/cosmic/UV impacts, monsoons/hurricanes/typhoons, ocean heat, missing heat, missing CO2, minimum surface temperatures, maximum surface temperatures, regional warming/cooling, and of course, global warming, which is Trenberth's personal brass ring travesty.

Clearly, the climate models themselves are travesties, which the IPCC's lead dogs are finally starting to turn on. Although Trenberth shows some courage in publicly admitting a major (billions of dollars) climate science failure, he will likely revert to his true self in the near future to make amends to the green radical fringe.

Additional climate-model and peer-reviewed postings.




Eh Rick?
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
May 22, 2013 - 09:29pm PT
another point for your rong, congrats
You must be winning now, with all your points!!

To bad the rest of us see you as sock puppet, along with your minions mixed up with a evil agenda of lies
But that is what money buys, and that seems to be all your concerned with, what ever the big money tells you to believe. Because we all know science will never tell the truth, only big money special interests have your best interest at heart, loser.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 22, 2013 - 09:33pm PT
Ron happily blurted :

hey Norton,, CONGRATS on yur new buddy in the thread LMAO! Another point for my side..

not quite sure who you are talking about but I will assume it is The Chief because maybe you think he is my buddy because we both like motorcycles?

and by the way, Ron Anderson, is you think the Chief is on YOUR "side", you are flat wrong.

You yourself Ron are on record on this thread of being a believer in climate change, that the earth IS getting warmer, and that humans have contributed to this and also that ALL of us agree including you that it impossible to know to what degree humans have contributed

and because your stance on this is the SAME as mine and Ed's and almost everyone else here, that would put you at odds with the Chief, who you see, is NOT on "your side"


think Ron, think, think before you post to make sure you are not actually contradicting yourself
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 22, 2013 - 09:33pm PT
Why thank you doc.. As Rick said, even the high priest himself is abandoning the act. Its good to bring to light to you all the scams that can EASILY be pulled over people with basically good intentions. Rick, Chief, Knotts myself and others are happy to serve. Americans one and all we are.


Norton that was when i was agreeing wit the SCENARIO. Nyet the actual cause. An Mt lion was whom i was referencing.




buuuut, as a quick recap:


The MODELS are now called bahooey by the makers

the polar bears are laughing

the peguins are partying

the owls a hootin away in pesky clear cut regen


the forests are under attack due to non treatments not GW

the reef fish Spawn like big dawgs

temps have been flat for the past 15

oh did i mention those models?

after that little left to talk about now huh?








rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 22, 2013 - 09:43pm PT
If you combine the statements from Kevin Trenberth in 2011

http://www.c3headlines.com/2011/07/major-ipcc-climate-scientist-publishes-paper-listing-significant-failures-of-climate-models.html

and his statement today struggling to explain where the CAGW is

http://www.rmets.org/weather-and-climate/climate/has-global-warming-stalled

what conclusion would a reasonable person reach
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 22, 2013 - 09:44pm PT
b-a-h-o-o-e-y...
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 22, 2013 - 09:46pm PT
Glad to see you think knotts is real.
Just a great example of how realistic you deniers are.
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