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The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 8, 2013 - 03:05pm PT
unlike some chickenshits

See what I mean. Perfect example of the arrogant mentality and philosophy that will in fact be the downfall of your agenda and plight. The "Peer Review" process at it's best. The 97% Consensus.
raymond phule

climber
Jun 8, 2013 - 03:18pm PT
His (GISS) models are the worst and most deceptive.

No, you have already posted the worst and most deceptive predictions, for example Lindzen's prediction from the eighties.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 8, 2013 - 03:28pm PT
^^^^^^^^^ Wrong. Lindzen did not utilize Millions of of the US Tax Payers dollars to come up with his "prediction". Hansen and his NASA GISS did. For well over 30 years. Thus his are indeed the worst and most deceptive of all models. He thieved the money. Made the models that are completely bogus. Then ran off with the plunder. Retired with nothing to show of it. Nothing.


More "artwork" that confirms the scam.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 8, 2013 - 03:36pm PT
raymond phule

climber
Jun 8, 2013 - 03:47pm PT

Wrong. Lindzen did not utilize Millions of of the US Tax Payers dollars to come up with his "prediction".

So what? He was completely wrong and your side of the argument like to link to his works because you like his conclusions. I am neither sure who have sponsored his tenure at MIT but I believe that the US tax payers have also paid him some money.


Hansen and his NASA GISS did. For well over 30 years. Thus his are indeed the worst and most deceptive of all models.

The model made a prediction 25 years ago about the future climate. So they obviously didn't do anything with that prediction for 30 or 25 years. Today's models are also much better.


He thieved the money. Made the models that are completely bogus. Then ran off with the plunder. Retired with nothing to show of it. Nothing.

What did you do? Treated and maybe killed some foreigners and run away with a pension?

Just for curiosity is the weather models that is used to predict the weather also completely bogus? Those models have never predicted the weather correctly with fifteen decimals even 1 hour in advance but they usually give good information at least a couple of days in advance.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 8, 2013 - 05:23pm PT
The model made a prediction 25 years ago about the future climate. So they obviously didn't do anything with that prediction for 30 or 25 years. Today's models are also much better.

The Excuses, oooopsss, I mean "Smoothing" prevail. Fact is the modelling sucks. Bigtime. Farce and complete waste of millions and soon to be billions. In all respects. They are going to get worse as the current cooling trend continues and the "blue" line keeps going down.






This one takes the vanilla pudding for the day. Rick, Ron, Blue etal, you should watch then most certainly will laugh your asses off. Oh the irony.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 8, 2013 - 09:09pm PT
Excellent find Chief. I am still LMAO. Even the mindless zombies should be able to relate to these videos, although i think their botox treatments will not allow them to laugh.

Bruce, i said under the "cloak of communism", not real communism. Look behind the cloak and what do you find-some of the wealthiest people on earth, some of planets largest corporations, and plenty of megalomaniacs.I pity the poor "believers", once their role as foot soldiers of ignorance is complete the machine chews up and spits out their sorry asses.Watch Chiefs videos, look at the graphs. We have hope of reclaiming you from slippery walls of the abyss.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 8, 2013 - 09:52pm PT
Hedge you're back. Did you get out on the road for an expedition or were you temporarily banned? Anyway i was beginning to miss your simple minded redundancy.

Bruce- read the last post again, i believe i answered you. You should pick up a paper or electronic copy of a book called Eco Fascists by a gal from your neck of the woods by the name of Elizabeth Nickson. I've experienced first hand many of the insanities she describes and Ron verified the forestry and water issues she talks of.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jun 8, 2013 - 10:02pm PT
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 8, 2013 - 10:12pm PT
The ideal of the everyman getting a fair shake and entitlements enough to live in comfort is the pablum being fed to the masses as "socialism or communism". Many people in the western world of today have traded their very souls for mere "promise of trinkets", which when enough bait is swallowed by the masses will be replaced by the sad reality of fascism. It is a dangerous world out there.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jun 8, 2013 - 10:30pm PT
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 8, 2013 - 10:45pm PT
First im not a chickenshit then im a coward. You are all over the board Bruce. Get a grip, both you and the Hedge must have missed your hormone shots. Oh well, you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make them drink.

Once again- Skeptical of what? Something that has not and will not happen? The graphic is cute, but it overshoots the observed increase by at least .2 c. We are now trending downward. Read the work of Livingston and Penn for a clue of where we are going.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 8, 2013 - 10:52pm PT
Sorry Rick. But in their cases, they have determined that the water is not water atal. Just a complete figment of your imagination. The science says so. Thus it is. Reality no longer is a part of the equation Rick. Just the computer models and the output data science. Screw what the RSS and Surface Obs indicate. They are not real. Not one bit.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 8, 2013 - 11:31pm PT
Hey Bruce,, congrats on sounding like schmoe hedge..Quite the low mark to aspire towards. Perhaps yo tu should "mate"..

and the polar bears -penguins and owls are still partying down on the money you all spent to their "cause"...
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 8, 2013 - 11:36pm PT
Negative on both counts ED.

1. You obviously know NOTHING when it comes to fly fishing ED. You see, it's not about catching fish. Nope. Anyone can do that with worms or a grenade. It's about the fish catching you. Big difference. No advantage what so ever ED. None. That is the beauty of it. No one wins nor loses. It just is. Even if not fish is hook up.

2. The gif Monolith posted is based on GISS BS data. NOT on RSS and HadCrut 3 or 4. Incorporate them into the equation and you have a whole different ball game. But of course you will not do that. It shows the fallacy of all the modelling. Talk about cherry picking to ones side. Picking is indeed your game.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jun 8, 2013 - 11:50pm PT
Funny how the Chief only wants to go back to mid-1997. How about going back to 1996?

Classic cherry picking.

His choice to start with mid-1997 was made because that gave him the result he wanted. That’s a practice called “cherry-picking.”


rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 9, 2013 - 12:03am PT
Let me answer Coz. First off nobody here takes much offense of predictable old Hedge and especially of stubborn old Bruce.

Second it is not "settled science" at all. The temps have plateaued or decreased slightly over the last decade despite a rapid increase in global atmospheric CO2 content. See the first link below about the temporal correlation between CO2 and temps in the ice core record. The second link blows the idea of climate change consensus out of the water and also has links to opposition papers. You should look at The Chiefs video posted just above for the sad comedy of the situation. Welcome to the neighborhood, it is anything but peaceful and "settled".


http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=ice-core-data-help-solve


http://www.petitionproject.org
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 9, 2013 - 12:08am PT
Coz what ive been saying all along due to those ice cores you mention, show glacial melting under WAY LESS CO2 than today. That is what im saying.. Im saying there are MANY inconsistencies with models, opinions and even falsification of various flagships of GW like polar bears for instance.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 9, 2013 - 12:46am PT
you didn't read my post way upthread.... I used HadCrut4... you get much the same answer...

Straight from the Mothers teats.

HadCrut 4 below. See the BLACK line on the graph. It is going DOWN both in the NH and GLOBALLY. DOWN ed. As of 2003 they are going DOWN.

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/

RSS Below. NO WARMING as of 1999. None. ZERO.

http://www.ssmi.com/msu/msu_time_series.html




Again, obviously ED you do not tie your own flies let alone fly fish. Either Single Hand nor Skagit.

Dropline

Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
Jun 9, 2013 - 08:13am PT
Would you characterize his behavior as cowardly?

The most cowardly behavior here is that of calling others names from behind a computer screen. People are going to disagree with you. So what? Having such a hissy fit about it just reveals that, in some way, you are unstable. Joe Hedge too.
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