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bobinc

Trad climber
Portland, Or
May 20, 2013 - 08:59am PT
If he is The Chief, he's hired a diction editor. His 'facts' look the same...
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 20, 2013 - 09:08am PT
Knotts, Ron, Blahblah, Abrams and all other fellow realists-good job, you guys are keeping real world observations that falsify the virtual constructions of the Anthropogenic Hothead Religion right square in front of their faces. Unfortunately,just like most other religious extremists in history before them ,their belief system will only collapse as their numbers dwindle, in this case through their inability to procreate because of other reversals of reality prevalent in the overpopulated centers they congregate in and the high levels of female hormones present in their water systems.Your audience, the ones you can save, are the ones sitting on the fence at the sidelines.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
May 20, 2013 - 09:10am PT
It's a cult
crunch

Social climber
CO
May 20, 2013 - 09:13am PT
Nice post, ed hartouni.

Thanks for your endless patience (and Chiloe!) in responding.

Worth restating the basic premise:

The climate is changing as a result of human intervention.

No one knows what these changes will lead to. There's a spectrum of possibilities. At one end of this spectrum, all will be fine. The other end of the spectrum is Al Gore-style disaster--we will induce a runaway greenhouse effect and destroy all life on earth.

The reality is somewhere in between. No one knows where. No one.

But, and this is the crux: the stakes are about as high as could be.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 20, 2013 - 09:20am PT
The climate is changing and always will because of long, mid, and short term cycles of both terrestrial and extraterrestrial origin. The primary driver is the sun; i want you hotheads to do a simple mind experiment, now close your eyes and imagine a world without that bright orb that rises in the east and sets in the west each of your days-what would be the result if that didn't happen. This is lesson 1. Report back your disatisfaction upon completion of this simple exercise.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 20, 2013 - 09:26am PT
Knotts, Ron, Blahblah, Abrams and all other fellow realists-good job

You too Rick - give yourself a pat on the back! Hell give yourself a well deserved degree while you're at it.

Look, we have a good repore eh? I think I may have frightened Knotts with that personality test. I found one a little less intimidating. Would you mind filling it out for me? Unfortunately Daryl's not here as he could certainly sum you up in two words but this will have to do:


http://kisa.ca/personality/
Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 20, 2013 - 09:38am PT
The climate is changing as a result of human intervention.

But, and this is the crux: the stakes are about as high as could be.


You just may want to hold off on that claim till AR5 is released. You will be surprised at the new admissions that the 97% pro CC scientist that participated in the report have to add regarding the suns involvement in all this.

What may those "stakes" be and by who's standards? The fortune (models)telling are totally inaccurate and are not working per the recent published report I cited earlier. How then can you conclude your statement with such an extravagant fatalist claim? It is not happening nor is going to. At least not in the next century or so. The stakes are only as high as your crowd can perceive them to be. They are not in line with the reality which is in fact occurring.

The more you alarmist dictate the fatalism that is not realistically happening, the more you all define your firm stance of your religion, politics and ideology. Not environmental salvation of any realistic proportions. That I am afraid is what all this Climate Change blah blah blah is all about. We, those that do not agree with your fatalism, can see the clear writing on your faces. Not any walls mind you.

Straw drawing is now becoming the standard for your crowd. You now term it as Mr. Ed noted, "Variability". More scientific verbiage will be introduced to cover your back sides. That is obvious. Clap Clap and one more Clap.

But it is not working. Not one bit I tell you.

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 20, 2013 - 09:44am PT
Bruce, you moron, i'm not going to participate in your desperation as the cathedral of your church collapses inwards on you.

Farmers plantings have been delayed throughout the northern hemisphere because ot the near univeriality of a delayed spring. Here, in Alaska the current conditions are typical of mid April rather than late May. The delay is similar throughout Canada, the northwest to northeast, across Europe, Russia. It's been 12 years since the minima of solar activity between cycles 23 and 24, an indication that mid term cycles your simple minded gods, the computer models, ignored in the calculation then dissemination of it's false scripture.

For the rationalists among you-there will likely be shortages later in the season. Take a look at what's being planted and quantities.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 20, 2013 - 09:45am PT
Oh Knotts! good of you to stop by.

Here, I found one more your speed


http://kisa.ca/personality/


Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 20, 2013 - 09:51am PT
Your such a kidder Rick! Some day it would be swell to share a beer with you and Sarah up there in Russia.

Take your time. I know you already have a pretty full plate with all those papers you're analizing.
Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 20, 2013 - 10:08am PT
Here, I found one more your speed


http://kisa.ca/personality/[/i]

MrKay,

Obviously you are regular participant at the site you noted. But no thanks for your graciousness. I am happily married and have been so for long period of time.

Food shortages will be a reality later this year in the US. Not from warming. Rather from cooling. Dr. Hansen should have seriously considered his turn of opinion when he did. Would have been a far better bet to have remained with his original impending Ice Age fatalistic decree way back when. Oh the misery of it all.
crunch

Social climber
CO
May 20, 2013 - 10:10am PT
The climate is changing as a result of human intervention.

But, and this is the crux: the stakes are about as high as could be.
.

You misquoted me. Why?

This is what I wrote:

------------------------


"The climate is changing as a result of human intervention.

No one knows what these changes will lead to. There's a spectrum of possibilities. At one end of this spectrum, all will be fine. The other end of the spectrum is Al Gore-style disaster--we will induce a runaway greenhouse effect and destroy all life on earth.

The reality is somewhere in between. No one knows where. No one.

But, and this is the crux: the stakes are about as high as could be."

------------------------


Why did you misquote me?

I stand by what I wrote.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - May 20, 2013 - 10:14am PT
@ Knotts,

You demanded I refute your statement, and I have.

You refuted nothing. You simply posted some numbers. Typical.
    Knotts

I actually posted a paragraph that contained numbers, and the text surrounding the numbers explained what the numbers mean. And those numbers did refute your premise that the folks who believe in AGW have nothing to base their story on.

However, I see you posting graphs without any explanation of the graphs. And the graphs you post are based solely on numbers.

Can you see how this makes you a first class hypocrite?

The only thing I see of value in your posts is you demonstrate an "ability" to argue points made via scientific analysis. You do a poor job making any point, and your aimless posts have proven yourself unable to sustain an adult discussion.

In other words, you are a windbag of the first degree.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 20, 2013 - 10:20am PT
The polar bears and Emperor Penguins are laughing at all the "graphs"..Never mind those "indicator species"..
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 20, 2013 - 10:21am PT
MrKay,

Please, we are all chums here. No need for formality.

Come on man. You like looking in mirrors. This thing is just like that only way more specific. Its liberating. It could for instance free you from any guilt complex's associated with peculiar preferences in gender specific clothing or your doll collection. It worked out great for Ted Haggard!
Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 20, 2013 - 10:31am PT
You misquoted me.

Mr Crunch.

I did nothing of the sort. I simply took the two sentences which clearly indicate that you stand firm on a fatalistic concept of fantasy. The fact is, no one really truly knows why it is warming. Nor do they know the level or to what degree the planet will change as it or if it truly does warm. Need I remind you as Mr. Sumner has, this cycle is a very normal one for the planet we call earth. Dynamic. Very dynamic in nature. Nothing of which you, nor I nor Mr. Ed and all his scientific calculations can control or change. It is in fact the cards we humans have been dealt. Now play em with fairness and do not go along with this cheating game called "Climate Change Alarmism".
El Cono

Boulder climber
Tierra Del Coņo
May 20, 2013 - 10:33am PT
So the polar bear population is up because so many have been seen in Churchill? That's like saying the US is overrun with tigers because I saw some at the zoo.
Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 20, 2013 - 10:34am PT
So the polar bear population is up because so many have been seen in Churchill? That's like saying the US is overrun with tigers because I saw some at the zoo.

Pretty much aligns with your belief in this fatalistic concept of Climate Change. Thank you for you admission.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 20, 2013 - 10:35am PT
Pictures of a polar bear floating precariously on a tiny iceberg have become the defining image of global warming but may be misleading, according to a new study.

A survey of the animals' numbers in Canada's eastern Arctic has revealed that they are thriving, not declining, because of mankind's interference in the environment.
In the Davis Strait area, a 140,000-square kilometre region, the polar bear population has grown from 850 in the mid-1980s to 2,100 today.
"There aren't just a few more bears. There are a hell of a lot more bears," said Mitch Taylor, a polar bear biologist who has spent 20 years studying the animals.


And oh yeah,, polar bears FREQUENTLY travel on small chunks of ice. Normal routine that be.
El Cono

Boulder climber
Tierra Del Coņo
May 20, 2013 - 10:37am PT
It is in fact the cards we humans have been dealt. Now play em with fairness and do not go along with this cheating game called "Climate Change Alarmism".

Would someone please unplug Crowley Lake's dial-up modem?
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