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The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 9, 2013 - 08:35am PT
The Trout and I entertain one another. A symbiotic relationship actually. They seem to be more observant of reality then most modern humans. They deal/exist with their environment in a practical and accepting manner. They do not attempt to control nor change it. Not one bit. They exist with it. Cohesively.

The data speaks for itself. The warming has stalled. It is going to do as it has millions of times before, regress. Cyclic. Amazing how it even appears to be like a heartbeat. That can't be can now. No way. Not in your world of science. Appalling.

Vostok Ice Core Data Set 1




Got some new tie patterns. Off to go play with some Brookies at 11 or so K'.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jun 9, 2013 - 09:36am PT
Chief, did you miss the massive CO2 spike at the end of your last graph? Do you think the earth's natural systems have fully adjusted to that disturbance?

Thanks for showing the correlation between CO2 and temp.

Has the ocean heat content leveled off?

Dropline

Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
Jun 9, 2013 - 09:57am PT
Bruce, you need not go knock on his door, just make your points civilly. As for Glenn Beck, he's a buffoon and I pay no attention to what he has to say one way or the other.

I'm going OUTISIDE. Have fun here in your virtual cubicle.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jun 9, 2013 - 10:14am PT
I go back and forth on that Bruce because I think your loyal opposition is more interested in mockery and trolling than honest dialogue.

That said the material posted to this thread by Chiloe, Ed and many others, as well as the patient explanations of the science, is very educational.

But I can't stand those heathens mocking my priests!!!11111

DMT
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 9, 2013 - 11:39am PT
Well gentlemen the tone is decidedly more civil this morning, very good. DMT, the science is not at all settled, in fact it is mostly manufactured and yes many people on our realist side believe deeply of what i just said. Randisi we may be blowing hot air and not changing any of the more stubborn minds but this argument feeds our addiction.Anyway the sun has long since arisen here in alaska and below is a link to where its behavior is heading.Bruce you hit the nail squarely on the head with your statement that we all want to leave the place as, or better ,than we found it for our kids.Good morning my friends.

http://nextgrandminimum.wordpress.com
raymond phule

climber
Jun 9, 2013 - 12:08pm PT
Where can I find similar graphs for other areas and altitudes?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 9, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
You are a little behind the times with your pick for propaganda Joe. Im as conservative as they come, also been using florescents for much longer than they've been mandated. We are on to using LED's quite a bit now. The average home today uses 60% less energy per s.f. than in 1990, we shoot for 70-75%. It is all about controlling consumption for affordability. Waste not, want not.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jun 9, 2013 - 05:24pm PT
Rick, Ron, and The Chief, are trolling, or are completely snowed by big money.

I don't know for sure, Coz, but from what I can tell all three of those guys are far from well off financially, and don't have any big money coming their way!

Trolling?

Well, yes, the Chief readily admits to trolling and considers it good personal entertainment, he has said he intentionally does so just to get emotional responses, he likes playing here.

I suspect Ron and Rick are not trolling but honestly believe what they post and are absolutely not amendable to being convinced otherwise, regardless of any mountains of opposing proof and facts.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 9, 2013 - 05:44pm PT
Coz,, really? It IS a fact that arctic ice disappeared inf far less CO2 than today, which meant it built up again as well under increasing levels. This does not fit into the GW science very well.

As for the false flagships they have waived, yes polar bears are one of them and have been grossly under estimated in numbers an vigor for quite some time, and even the feds have admitted they were put on the endangered list because of "what MIGHT happen with GW"....Silly men attempting to predict the future of the globe of which most is an anomaly to them. they thought the reef fish would flounder under increased CO2 yet eh fish had a whole udder direction in mind.. There are many more "anomalies" involved in GW that have gone un-answered here.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 9, 2013 - 06:03pm PT
A red herring? Coz, that IS THE TUNA of the issue, how the earth reacts to CO2. The blame glacial ice thaws on it when in fact it may have little or nothing to do with it of HISTORY has any play in it. If they use false flagships, does that not reflect a certain amount of scrutiny for the rest of it?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 9, 2013 - 07:08pm PT
Does any here know anything about noctilucent clouds and specifically why they would be presenting themselves in lower latitudes than usual this year? Or anything about earths geomagnetic field and atmospheric effects See links below.

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2013/07jun_nics/

http://phys.org/news/2012-10-extremely-reversal-geomagnetic-field-climate.html
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jun 9, 2013 - 08:29pm PT
Ed:
...however, there are many sites that provide local temperature time series... Chiloe often uses them in plots (look up thread)

A good general source for long-term, quality-controlled weather station data is the US Historical Climatology Network,
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/epubs/ndp/ushcn/ushcn_map_interface.html

The Arctic melt season is kicking into gear this month, lots of eyes watching the ice to see what happens after last year's record-shattering attrition.

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 9, 2013 - 08:44pm PT
Here is a correction for my noctilucent cloud link. Very interesting critters, usually associated with a solar minimum, but this should be the max year of the eleven year schwabe cycle.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/aim/news/early-nlcs-2013.html
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 9, 2013 - 08:49pm PT
Interesting Rick,, that methane may be making more of those odd clouds.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 9, 2013 - 08:58pm PT
Yeah Ron it takes organics and increased cosmic ray bombardment, which is what would happen with a lessened solar magnetic value during a minimum in the 11 year cycle or the onset of reduced activity of a longer solar cycle such as the Dalton or Maunder minimums, or maybe a reduction in earths geo magnetic field.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 9, 2013 - 09:00pm PT
again nature takes its twists and leaves science standing on the wrong turnpike.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 9, 2013 - 09:21pm PT
Chief, did you miss the massive CO2 spike

The TEMPERATURE is stalling. Never said squat about C02. Nada. The heartbeat of the planet's surface TEMERATURE is just as it has been for the last 1/2 million years or so. Once again, the TEMPERATURE. As it has done before, appears that the TEMPERATURE will indeed begin to drop. Per the Cycle from the Vostok Ice Core Data Set 1.







CHILOE.

How many times in the past 1 million years has the Arctic been ICE FREE?



COZ.

Some of us chose not to go along with the status quo. The science is so far from being settled but the policy making is on it's way to be so. All based on models that have yet to come close to the reality of surface and satellite observations for the past 20 or so years. The worlds economic structure is set to change based on computer models that are wrong. Absolutely wrong. Now that is just great. For some maybe.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jun 9, 2013 - 09:29pm PT
LOL, Chief, that spike is the last pixel column on the graph, and you are able to tell that temps will hold steady and drop?

Whoa! You should work for the psychic network.

No comment on global ocean heat content? How come it's not steady?

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 9, 2013 - 09:39pm PT
Well guys i checked the sunspot numbers and they are up to 78.7 for the month of May, thats beyond the projected smoothed max of 66. So does this rule out the suns magnetic flux in formation of the early and lower latitude noctilucent cloud formation? Anyone no the cause of this anomaly?
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 9, 2013 - 09:55pm PT
Reverting back to the CO2 Dream. Totally diverting from the Observed Temps. Forget the C02. Stick with the Temperatures. Stay focused. I know it's difficult for most of your generation to do so with all the ADHD etc from all them chemicals and tobacco your parents ingested that were designed and implemented by science. But do try MONOLITH. The Temperatures are stalling big time. They are in complete correlation with the past per the Vostok Ice Core Data Set 1. The Temperature. NOT the C02. Focus on the BLUE line. Not the RED.
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