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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 20, 2013 - 10:42am PT
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k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - May 20, 2013 - 10:47am PT
Like shooting fish in a barrel:

I simply took the two sentences which clearly indicate that you stand firm on a fatalistic concept of fantasy.

Yes, a "fantasy" based on years of scientific study.

The fact is, no one really truly knows why it is warming.

Well, if you believe in the scientific method, we do have a very good idea of why it is warming.

However, if you believe to listen to the mis-information given our freely by those who want you to believe otherwise (other than the scientific method, that is), then yes, you would have no idea why the Earth is warming. But then neither would you have any idea how the keyboard you use to type with works.



Nor do they know the level or to what degree the planet will change as it or if it truly does warm.

More gibberish based on the other gibberish you wrote.

It is true that nobody knows the extent which the planet will change. Be we do know with certainty that it will change by growing warmer to the point that many adverse things will happen.

And we know this with with the certainty that we know that when you type your name Knotts on the keyboard, that it will indeed spell out Knotts.

You see, that is because the scientific method is very good at the things it sets out to do. Most adults realize this without needing to be told.
El Cono

Boulder climber
Tierra Del Coņo
May 20, 2013 - 10:58am PT
So Ron....

I need to do a Polar Bear survey to evaluate species health. Do I use an international group of government funded wildlife biologists to do that? Or should I get a couple of interns from Forbes Magazine?
crunch

Social climber
CO
May 20, 2013 - 11:07am PT
Mr Crunch.

I did nothing of the sort.

In point of fact, yes you did misquote me.

The fact is, no one really truly knows why it is warming. Nor do they know the level or to what degree the planet will change as it or if it truly does warm.

Umm. that's confused. It seem pretty clear that human forcing, adding CO2, is creating some effect, driving change. But you are right that no one knows "to what degree the planet will change." That was my point, too. ;-)

I used "spectrum" and you used "degree" to indicate a level of uncertainty. We agree.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 20, 2013 - 11:12am PT
ElCono. i suggest you ask the Yupik, Aluet, Ekak or other native people up there. THEY TOO have been telling of populations of polar bears growing. But havent been listened too by many "eco " group studies..
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
May 20, 2013 - 11:16am PT
nitwits?
El Cono

Boulder climber
Tierra Del Coņo
May 20, 2013 - 11:20am PT
i suggest you ask the Yupik, Aluet, Ekak or other native people up there.

So, I should ask the people who get $10,000 per pelt if Polar Bear populations are declining? And if I want to do a whale survey I should maybe ask the Japanese?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 20, 2013 - 11:21am PT
kenny nailed it
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 20, 2013 - 11:22am PT
I think at this point you should just trot on up there "yurseff"..Bring some meat with you, those bears have amazing sniffers. Give us a TR ifn you make it back.!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 20, 2013 - 11:24am PT
all other fellow realists-good job... your audience..

doesn't know jack sh#t about science or statistics
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 20, 2013 - 11:28am PT
Uhhuh,, some pretty screwed science behind the whole "polar bear demise" .. I wonder how much $$$$ was sucked out of fools pockets donating to a cause that WASNT real? What EXACTLY did the "polar bear dot-orgs" do to "help" those poor bears? Did they introduce them to the kama-sutra?? BAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA..
Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 20, 2013 - 11:31am PT
It seem pretty clear that human forcing, adding CO2, is creating some effect, driving change.

It just might be based on your perceptional attitude. If you want it to be, so it is. But the reality is that not one published scientific research paper has come out with 100% "clear and proven" certainty that humans are in fact the primary cause. Still all speculation, scientific theory and fantasy modelling. Not one climate scientist can discern clearly what amount of the C02 content is from humans or is natural. There are no mechanical instruments that can identify nor measure which is which and from what source it comes from. Let's be clear on that.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 20, 2013 - 11:31am PT
some pretty screwed science behind the whole "polar bear demise"

Ah, more "the science behind blahblahblah is screwed up" from the man who stuffs dead things. Yeah, well, your mounts don't look life like at all.

But the reality is that not one published scientific research paper has come out with 100% "clear and proven" certainty that humans are in fact the primary cause.

More proof that fuknard doesn't understand the first thing about scientific research. ALL scientific research is subject to falsification as new empirical data helps refine our understanding of how the world works. No scientist in their right mind would ever say anything is proven with 100% certainty... we leave that to the mindless religitards who can't handle the uncertainty of reality.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 20, 2013 - 11:39am PT
translation: we made up some shyt that turned out wrong, so we now know which direction to make up more shyt.;-)
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 20, 2013 - 11:40am PT
Translation, go stuff some dead things... which everyone knows look fake, but you can pretend they are life-like.
Dubop

climber
May 20, 2013 - 11:41am PT
The us government is controlled by multi-national corporations. They write the laws which govern their operations and they oversee their own compliance to these laws. In essence, these massive companies are in control of our countries energy policies and are operating outside of any true regulatory environment.

It is a mistake to think there is a difference between big business and big government. Therefore, there can be no governmental solution to this problem. There will only be change when individuals change their lives.
El Cono

Boulder climber
Tierra Del Coņo
May 20, 2013 - 11:47am PT
We made up some shyt that turned out wrong, so we now know which direction to make up more shyt.;-)

I shoulda known: If you want real science done, ask someone with a gun.
Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 20, 2013 - 11:59am PT
MountainLions decree of more tornadoes is not the issue nor valid. Fact is the amount of tornadoes is irrelevant. The issue is that humans in the tornado belt of Amerika have expanded their urban areas. Thus there are far more targets to rip apart when any tornado comes along than there were say 30 or so years ago. No one addresses this aspect of human expansion. Kind of like building ones house directly next to a small river never contemplating the fact that a once in a hundred year flood can ruin your day in hours. Or building your home on the shoreline in a hurricane prone beach front. It'll never happen to me thinking. Now we blame piss poor planning of urban expansion on Climate Change. That of course is according to NASA's Mr. Gavin Schmidt. Listen to what he states at mark 3:20. "We did not expect the earth to change." Hmmm. Where was all the science say 30 years ago concerning the dynamic nature of this round planet?
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
May 20, 2013 - 12:07pm PT
Not one climate scientist can discern clearly what amount of the C02 content is from humans or is natural.

This is clearly wrong. The amounts of CO2 humans are adding are very measureable and being measured. The amounts are immense. According to USGS Humans add 100 - 130 times more CO2 than volcanoes do every year. Does that sound like we don't know where it's coming from? It's you, Knotts, that does not know where it's coming from. It's measureable in the thousands of shiploads of coal and oil that go up in gas every year. I forget the numbers exactly, but I think in terms of oil alone, a line of ships the size of the Exxon Valdez, 4,000 miles long, goes up in smoke every single year. You give yourself away as not knowing much with that statement. There is no way the increases in CO2 are 'natural'.

Most people clearly do not know the scope of what we are doing to the planet.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 20, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
That is silly. It ain't hard to determine how much CO2 is anthropogenic and how much is "natural" based on the isotopic signature.
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