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The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 28, 2013 - 01:13am PT
I hang out with a lot of kids and we love learning about science, all sorts of it.

You mean human interp of Nature. Science. Why not accept Nature for what it is and allow to be. Not have to consistently break it down and need to think/claim you know all about it. Then control it. Just be part of it. All of it. That component of our existence is gone. Long gone. The greatest of warriors that walked this planet were all Shaman. Every last one of em. They respected the earth down to each grain of sand.

But science can not stand any Shaman. Not one. That is where science lost all credibility. All.

Really. Is this all about you not going to college, Chief? I saw you go off on that one big time.

Read above BASE. No college can teach you how to connect with the earth as we did for centuries and are suppose to. None. No Ph.D. None. That is where you all modern scientist failed. Intelligent. There is far more to this "intelligent" aspect than what you scientists deem it is in order to have the "rubber stamped forehead".

The two very powerful souls below are clear examples of real intelligence. They were both Shaman.





I haven't heard one person who knows and understands the climate is changing say that they want people on a fixed income to pay a carbon tax...

You or they will NOT have any say in that. None. The G-Man IRS will. And they can be trusted. Right?
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
May 28, 2013 - 01:38am PT
I don't understand what leads people to the military.
For some, it is a way for the unskilled to make a living.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 28, 2013 - 01:48am PT
For some, it is a way for the unskilled to make a living.

Circles and circles oh clown from the North. Focus and practice on this statement you have on your dossier. Try it. Really does work. Apply. Apply. Clown from the North.



Hitting the rack. Up early to throw some new ties at my Brownie and Brookie buddies above 10K.

mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 28, 2013 - 07:40am PT
Nice picture of the native american Chief...off the top of my head I think that is Chief Cochise or Geronimo--don't have my books here to look it up...

Shamans and Medicine Men were definitely scientists...they used all manner of experimentation and observation to try to understand thier world...I believe they in fact did most of the groundwork for modern day pharmaceutical companies (all indigenous peoples did). Here in the Philippines there are numerous plants in the jungle the locals have given me when I have cut myself at the crag---they seem to stop the bleeding and help the healing process (my observation).

I don't trust the IRS...but that is just an example of what I am talking about in the first place...Politicians in the pockets of BIG OIL/PHARMA/BANKING etc do not have the PEOPLE'S best interest...instead they have the interests of those who pay for thier re-election...Those corporations don't care about our planet they only care about PROFIT.

Profit in itself isn't a bad thing but as I travel from home to the crag by bus I go past Huge areas that basically look like they are being strip mined here in the Philippines (the crag cant be because it has several springs coming from it and as a water source that feeds several towns it is protected).

We have to rid ourselves of short term thinking for profit and instead do what will be sustainable for the future...once the Philippines has given all of it's natural resources for a PITTANCE what will they do to survive???

Once we have destroyed our planet EXTINCTION will occur...
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 28, 2013 - 09:35am PT
Shamans were definitely scientists

Just as much scientists as I am a heart surgeon. Primary process in Shamanism is total acceptance of what is now one to one with the earth and the Universe. The Spirits of the Infinite Universe rule all entities here and everywhere, always. The laws of the Universe are the constant governing forces of everything. Once one comes to terms and accepts that reality, they then cross over into the infinite dimension of those laws and are one with the Spiritual infinite existence with those governing powers. The governing laws and powers do as they wish when they want. They are the permission. Regardless of mankinds needs or wants. We physical humans are peeons. Nothing special until we come to terms with power of the Universe and accept it for everything it is. Never once trying to understand nor change what the power is. Just accepting and embracing it for the rest of our infinite spiritual trek. Where there is no beginning nor end. Just a constant spiritual trek of experience and acceptance of what is. Yesterday, Now and Tomorrow. Always.

Rick had it spot on. This is all about a very minute ego based human ideology. Looking nowhere past your noses at best.

Werner and Largo get it. Oh do they ever.

Get over yourselves. It has nothing to do with you (humans). Nothing.

Spiritual Warriors. Those two powerful souls I pictured above. Special. Oh so very special.




Everything that Shaman's are and exist for is totally contrary to any modern science. Refutes science. In everything. Infinitely. Nothing comes close. Never will.


Edit.

Never fought in a war ,only police ops.

Spoken like a true blind Western American liberal NPR listening human. They are ALL wars, fool. Your ignorance of never leaving that stench of your self-righteously imposed outhouse prevents you from seeing the true reality of it all. Goodness. Ponder on that. Battling evil is the warriors infinitely dealt hand of cards. Will be played each and every time they are here or anywhere.


CHEMICAL AGENTS and INSECTICIDES. Modern Science. NOT engineering.
dirtbag

climber
May 28, 2013 - 09:56am PT
That blabber from the Knotty Chief is about the stupidest drivel I've read. It's a complete embrace of ignorance.

Hey Chief Blabber Mouth, since you think ignorance is bliss, why don't you STFU about things about which you are ignorant, instead of opening your titanic yapper and keep looking like a loud mouthed fool?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 28, 2013 - 10:17am PT
They are ALL wars, fool.

That is a novel perspective but I suppose I can see the sense in that. Certainly Ed Hartouni is one hell of a warrior.

Your attitude toward science is completely bizarre however. I think I can now see why you look forward to the great evolutionary reckoning with such relish. You never did tell us how your kids and wife regard your disdain for society and its future. Surely you must have some spirited discussions around the dining table. Or is the discussion particularly one sided?

There's one thing I can't figure out. If science is so beneath you, why do you spend so much time and effort mastering it?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
May 28, 2013 - 10:38am PT
Chaff...I'm with your kids...Don't change...You're beautiful... your reasoning could get you a job doing stand - up comedy...RJ
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 28, 2013 - 10:46am PT
if science is so beneath you, why do you spend so much time and effort mastering it-asks Bruce. Well let me answer that from my perspective.The system has gone awry on this CAGW subject. A solution was reached by policy makers who consider themselves the intelligentsia, far above the ignorant, stupid teeming masses. This solution called for the complete control if not elimination of the masses. Problems were sought to give implementation of the solution the appearance of credibility. The scientific world was recruited, one by one to reach a "consensus". The consensus was and never will be reached as their still exists a majority of independent critical thinkers that won't be swayed by hype and hysteria. These independents, by and large, share an ideology, part of which is that they don't share the other sides arrogant notion of the supremacy of man over nature and they realize our still primitive understanding of the workings of the natural world around us. Now, there is a possibility the intelligentsia will get there way and their disastrous policies imposed on us all. Resistance of this wrong turn is why some of us are forced to learn this science to do our small part to combat it before it is imposed on us all.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 28, 2013 - 10:47am PT
Spoken like a true blind Western American liberal NPR listening human.

They are ALL wars, fool.

Your ignorance of never leaving that stench of your self-righteously imposed outhouse prevents you from seeing the true reality of it all.

Goodness. Ponder on that.

Battling evil is the warriors infinitely dealt hand of cards.

Will be played each and every time they are here or anywhere.

CHEMICAL AGENTS and INSECTICIDES.

Modern Science. NOT engineering........






Hmmmm....... interesting paragraph construction. It looks familiar somehow.

Could it be...?


Knotts = Braun = Chuff?




Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 28, 2013 - 10:48am PT
the chief said:

C'mon Norton. This entire thread is one big troll. Everyone including myself and you are trolls here.

and there we have it

all hail the chief, the Grand Troll !

long may you run, chief
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 28, 2013 - 11:15am PT
Excellent analysis Rick Inferior! At last we are having a conversation that includes motivation and psycholgical process, not just stuffy old science. I think you are onto something about the policy makers fiddling the process. Good run down of the involvment of your ideology. What are the incentives that were offered to each and every individual scientist under their sway by the way?

This is choice stuff here:

The consensus was and never will be reached as their still exists a majority of independent critical thinkers that won't be swayed by hype and hysteria. These independents, by and large, share an ideology, part of which is that they don't share the other sides arrogant notion of the supremacy of man over nature and they realize our still primitive understanding of the workings of the natural world around us.

Thank you for confirming our suspicions. You see how a free and mutually respectful exchange of ideas can lead to a better understanding of each other? I much prefer it when I don't have to guess at your motives. Cheers and keep it coming!




Oh! While were are engaged in this spirited and free wheeling intellectual reparte, how do you differentiate between intuition and prejudice?



The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 28, 2013 - 11:30am PT
NORTON, I am not by any means the Grand Troll pooopa on this thread. No way. DRF and Chiloe certainly are neck and neck for that pos. Evidenced by DRF's post above.


Knotts = Braun = Chief?

Not in single entity. But certainly in mindset. Without a glimmer of doubt. Way beyond what science could ever imagine. Infinitely trekking. Accepting as it is and will always be.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 28, 2013 - 11:33am PT
I look at you Bruce to differentiate. The incentives-for those at the top, greed and the promise of power, for those in the middle the promise of security of a long, well paying career playing with science to their hearts content, those at the bottom haven't a clue, they were programmed as true believers by our corrupted education complex and believe they are part of the true movement and will ride the wave.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 28, 2013 - 11:34am PT
say !

Doesn't Rick live in Wasilla, home of SARAH?

Hey, did you vote to put Caribou Barbie one heartbeat away from being Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces?

how cool is that?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 28, 2013 - 11:35am PT
These independents, by and large, share an ideology,

This seems strange to me. You hope to take back America, yet you exist as rugged individuals, yet you share an ideology......

Have you ever thought of getting organized into a collective?






I look at you Bruce to differentiate.


Oh. So you see no need to differentiate between intuition and prejudice. Excellent. That is enlightening.





mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 28, 2013 - 11:36am PT
I am not by any means the Grand Troll pooopa on this thread.

That is too bad. I was really hoping you were just trolling. I actually started to feel a little relieved. The weight of the notion "nobody could be THAT willfully ignorant" had been lifted. But for the first time on this thread, Chaff actually proved someone wrong... he IS THAT willfully ignorant... and proud of it.

John 11:35
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 28, 2013 - 11:46am PT
Resistance of this wrong turn is why some of us are forced to learn this science to do our small part to combat it before it is imposed on us all.

You seem less conflicted than Rick Superior in this regard. It must be difficult for you and I admire your sense of duty. Your head must hurt sometimes. Are you at all concerned that if you persist that you might actually become a scientist? I'd be careful if I were you. Look at what happened to Tom Cruise:




rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 28, 2013 - 11:51am PT
Norton in 2008 you had the choice of installing a Chicago style socialist with not a clue on how to run this country into anything but the dirt and an elder hack statesmen that was more than willing to take the middle road if he didn't derail in fits of temper. The heartbeat away ticket companions were irrelevant other than the fact that they could steer some economic activity to their place of origin. Does that answer it for you.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 28, 2013 - 11:55am PT
one STANDARD technique for agencies when rallying public concern for THEIR issues is:


" BAFFLE THEM WITH BULLSHYT"..



Saw it used many times.


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