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McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
May 19, 2013 - 11:58pm PT
These days prediction of rain is not generally a religious affair.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 20, 2013 - 05:31am PT
Here is a biased reminder for you .
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/09/science/earth/2012-was-hottest-year-ever-in-us.html?_r=0
Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 20, 2013 - 06:08am PT
The song and dance games begin, officially. All in preparation for the release of the AR5 Report in September. That will be the icing of the heated debate. The fork so to speak that will put an end to the burning meat saga.



Extreme global warming seen further away than previously thought.

"The most extreme rates of warming simulated by the current generation of climate models over 50- to 100-year timescales are looking less likely," the University of Oxford wrote about the findings in the journal Nature Geoscience.

The rate of global warming has slowed after strong rises in the 1980s and 1990s, even though all the 10 warmest years since reliable records began in the 1850s have been since 1998.

The slowdown has been a puzzle because emissions of heat-trapping greenhouse gases have continued to rise, led by strong industrial growth in China.

Examining recent temperatures, the experts said that a doubling of carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere above pre-industrial times - possible by mid-century on current trends - would push up temperatures by between 0.9 and 2.0 degrees Celsius (1.6 and 3.6F).

That is below estimates made by the U.N. panel of climate scientists in 2007, of a rise of between 1 and 3 degrees Celsius (1.8-5.4F) as the immediate response to a doubling of carbon concentrations, known as the transient climate response.

http://news.yahoo.com/extreme-global-warming-seen-further-away-previously-thought-090821067.html




Not only are the climate models a total joke and squandering of the peoples money, but so is the theory that C02 is forcing a rise in the temperatures. The global temps are just not playing according to the rules set by human science. Imagine that. Variability certainly will now be the official excuse to cover their buttocks so to speak. Correct Mr. Ed.

The party isn't going to happen. The catering company forgot to bring the food and the band lost their instruments. Your God of "Human Science Knows All" is dying a quick death.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 20, 2013 - 06:33am PT
I think Knotts is just Rick on another computer.
He found a convert, himself.
Lennox

climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
May 20, 2013 - 06:44am PT
I'm pretty sure knutts is the The Chief.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
May 20, 2013 - 06:44am PT
I don't usually cite blog posts but there's a nice one by R. Gates just put up at the Arctic Sea Ice blog, on The Four Charts That Really Matter. In a very quick sketch it helps to explain why all the major science organizations, 97% of the active climate scientists, and 97% of research papers addressing this issue agree that humans are changing the climate. And none of those appear to be changing their mind. Full link at the bottom, I've quoted just an excerpt.

The troposphere is a low thermal inertia part of the overall energy system of the planet and contains only a fraction of the overall energy. It seems however, that there is an undue preoccupation with focusing on this part of the system-- probably because we as humans happen to live in it, and also because it is easy to measure. And since the troposphere can be fickle and far more subject to short-term noise from natural variability, it makes the most sense to look at the parts of the system such as the oceans and cryosphere that have greater thermal inertia and are hardest to change from short-term noise. When doing this, and comparing it to the constant upward trend in CO2 emissions, the following four charts become the most salient in terms of understanding what is really happening:



http://neven1.typepad.com/blog/2013/05/the-four-charts-that-really-matter.html
Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 20, 2013 - 06:44am PT
Whether I am or am "Knott", is not relevant to this issue.

I am a human on this planet that sees a dire need to consider the plight of the people on this planet today. Not in a hundred or two hundred years. Hundreds if not thousands of Children are dying daily throughout the world of starvation and disease from poor sanitary and food conditions. Many have no homes nor education to speak of. None of this is caused by the climate. It is caused by poverty and lack of concern by the societies of the well off (Amerikans) that are too busy squabbling over the politics of whether or not the planet is warming and how fossil fuels are or are not the cause.

The primary premise of the Climate Change followers mindset here on ST and else where states they want to save the planet for their children's children. All the while they do not bother to look not what lies directly in front and to side of them.

Being a climber or "Knott" is not relevant in this issue.
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
May 20, 2013 - 06:52am PT
Whether I am or am "Knott", is not relevant to this issue.

I am a human on this planet that sees a dire need to consider the plight of the people on this planet today. Not in a hundred or two hundred years. Hundreds if not thousands of Children are dying daily throughout the world of starvation and disease from poor sanitary and food conditions. Many have no homes nor education to speak of. None of this is caused by the climate. It is caused by poverty and lack of concern by the societies of the well off (Amerikans) that are too busy squabbling over the politics of whether or not the planet is warming and how fossil fuels are or are not the cause.

The primary premise of the Climate Change followers mindset here on ST and else where states they want to save the planet for their children's children. All the while they do not bother to look not what lies directly in front and to side of them.

Being a climber or "Knott" is not relevant in this issue.


So you decided to make a stand on this website.

Good choice.

I'm sure it'll do a lot to change things.
Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 20, 2013 - 06:52am PT
Mr. Chiloe,
Did you read the latest from Oslo. CO2 is rising but the heat is not. The heat is stagnant. The Antarctic Ice is growing and growing and growing. As are the Polar Bear populations that your kind desperately cried would go extinct all due to the C02. Your bible of fantasy is going to be shredded to bits in September when the IPCC releases the AR5 Report that includes of all things that the Sun does indeed play a major part in why this is all happening.

Polar Bears are not dying off. They are not.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323452204578288343627282034.html

I suggest you do as Dr. Hansen did. Retire to a far away place and hide. The house of cards is tumbling down.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 20, 2013 - 06:58am PT
You must admit that without Knotty, the pickings are slim. If even a couple of them decided to leave in a huff this thread would face an imminent threat of extinction. It happened before with El Chiefo.

It is a fine line we tread. We must learn to be careful with our magnifying glass. Try to just burn off a limb or antennae, avoid the temptation of thorax or head. I mean that is fine if there is lots of them but with such a finite resource we may wish to follow the precautionary principle.

I don't think we have ever been forced to go recruiting and I would hate to volunteer for it. Can you imagine? You'd have to actually start trolling Patdullard.com or something. Grim.

I must learn to stop asking questions that must not be answered. Could you guys do me a favor and slap me with a wet fish or somethijng next time I do it?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 20, 2013 - 07:01am PT
The Antarctic Ice is growing and growing and growing


prove it

multiple links from credible sources please

prove it
Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 20, 2013 - 07:04am PT
It is a fine line we tread. We must learn to be careful with our magnifying glass. Try to just burn off a limb or antennae, avoid the temptation of thorax or head. I mean that is fine if there is lots of them but with such a finite resource we may wish to follow the precautionary principle.

Mr. Kay,

Before you point at others, I suggest you go into your bathroom and hang a mirror up. Then you can indeed look into it and see the face you imply needs that actions you posted. May I also add, for that one finger you utilize to point at others, their are four directed at you. Your house of weak cards is coming down and you can not even see that. The blinders are hardened to your temples.

Oh the horror of it all.
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
May 20, 2013 - 07:08am PT
for that one finger you utilize to point at others, their are four directed at you.

Actually, I'm in the habit of letting my other fingers point to the side when I point.

By the way, how do you get your thumb to point back at you? Neat trick, that.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 20, 2013 - 07:12am PT
May I also add, for that one finger you utilize to point at others, their are four directed at you.


I don't think your numbers add up. Look buddy, it has happened before. This thread very nearly folded completely when whats his name's head exploded. I mean it. Its not like you guys breed like rabbits or anything. Maybe in Egypt or Alabama but around here its always been a little tilted against you. I'm just trying to help you out here. come on, lets be friends.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
May 20, 2013 - 07:12am PT
The antarctic sea ice is expanding(very slowly) in significant part because the continental ice sheets are melting. This runoff forms a cold layer that protects the sea ice from warmer waters below.

The antarctic continental ice is melting at a rate of 250 gigatons a year.
Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 20, 2013 - 07:14am PT
Mr. Norton,




http://nsidc.org/cryosphere/sotc/sea_ice.html
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 20, 2013 - 07:30am PT


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Just last year, the World Wildlife Fund’s climate blog headlined that “Polar Bear Population in Canada’s Western Hudson Bay Unlikely to Survive Climate Disruption.” But it seems that since then this subpopulation, previously believed to be among the most threatened subpopulations due to global warming, has made a miraculous recovery. According to aerial surveys released by the Government of Nunavat this month, their numbers are at least 66% higher than expected. This region, which straddles Nunavat and Manitoba, is critical because it’s considered to be a bellwether for how well polar bears are faring elsewhere in the Arctic.

And to top off that happy news, recent space satellite images reveal that 36 colonies of Antarctic emperor penguins are twice larger than researchers previously thought. In fact four additional colonies that scientists hadn’t known about were discovered as well.

But don’t get complacent. Now, just when growing public immunity to feverish global warming hype is relieving hallucinatory sweats, another climatic crisis looms nigh. While some of it is still attributable to “climate change” along, with other human-caused dilemmas, there is a big difference. Yup, this one is much worse. I’m referring here to mass extinctions of species we don’t yet even know about…not to mention even some that we do. This constitutes nothing less than a planetary biodiversity crisis!

Alarm over biodiversity peril got a big boost a decade ago when Harvard ant biologist Dr. Edward O. Wilson estimated that 50,000 species are going extinct. When Environmental activist Tim Keating of Rainforest Relief was asked if he could name any of them he replied: “No we can’t, because we don’t know what those species are. But most of the species we’re talking about in those estimates are things like insects and even microorganisms.” Apparently they primarily inhabited the computer hard drive that generated his theoretical model.







So it seems that the commercial on TV played so often last year and before--you know,, the one with the little British girl sobbing over the plight of the polar bear was just another yank of the heart string in an effort to fool the masses. This ties in well with the fact that the US was the only country to really ban the importation of polar bear trophies as well. Another piece of the puzzle put to rest. And in this case,, the "models" were just toys put together with cheap GLU.. So sayeth the Emperor Penguins..
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 20, 2013 - 07:59am PT
Hey knotts, now that we have a friendly dialogue flowing perhaps we can now explore this motives thing a bit more. I thought a good place to start would be if you took this personality test:

http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/jtypes1.htm

Its pretty neat and can be really useful on a few levels, not just explaining contrarian impulses. For instance previously undetermined sociopathic characteristics can be identified and nipped in the bud or possibly even levered to advantage. It can also be fully useful on your resume and could be key in finding employment with various GOP operations or places like the Heartless Institute or the Cornhole Alliance.

Check it out. And thanks for the mirror tip. My hair was a mess! How did you know?

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 20, 2013 - 08:46am PT
Chief knotts,

Small increase of 0.9% per decade for Antarctic sea ice. Compared to over 4% per decade for Arctic sea ice. Tell us again how scientists concerned about climate change pick and choose their data... hahahaaa.


Awesome... less than 1 standard deviation over 2 decades... that's almost marginally significant!

Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
May 20, 2013 - 08:53am PT
I think Knotts is "THE CHIEF" yappy dog
I have a second sense when it comes to people trying to pull BS on us.
35 posts in all, all in this thread


Knotts, post a photo of you climbing
How tall are you?
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