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bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
May 27, 2013 - 11:22pm PT
So, since Ed is really smart and got many degrees in Sciences, I should trust him in his theories? I should not evaluate other theories or opinions?

Of course not! I like Ed, he's a good guy. Stop putting him on a pedestal.

He is smart though. Just back off.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
May 27, 2013 - 11:25pm PT
Bruce, all the evidence indicates that sh#t is cooling. Not warming.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 27, 2013 - 11:27pm PT
So, since Ed is really smart and got many degrees in Sciences, I should trust him in his theories?

Well, his and the vast majority of people who have spent their lives studying the subject... don't you think? Ha... what a silly question, of course you don't think.

I should not evaluate other theories or opinions?

Hahahaa... yeah... evaluate away! I'm sure your gut feeling is just as valid as years of research.

all the evidence indicates that sh#t is cooling.

Nope. You are an idiot.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
May 27, 2013 - 11:29pm PT
I get a little irritated when Al Gore and others point to a single weather event, one that has happened many times before, and calls it climate. It is a data point in climate, but it is better described as weather.

The last 100 year model run that I saw showed rapid warming in the northern hemisphere, mainly in the arctic, over the next few decades.

When you run them out to 100 years, temperatures rise greatly in most areas, but it isn't even.

Comparing the CO2 concentration of the Jurassic/Cretaceous hothouse event, I seriously doubt that the fate of the human race is in danger. Some parts of the planet will suffer, though. It will lead to populations shifting to cooler areas.

By the way, the 30 year run shows some areas that actually cool, while other areas will warm. On the 100 year run, temperatures will greatly increase in most areas, but the northern hemisphere will suffer far more than the southern hemisphere.

There are political actors in this matter, because it involves policy. Those types are probably more prone to hyperbole. The rest of the scientific community just chugs away.

It is kind of like evolution. Too bad that the Earth is undeniably old and that its history doesn't quite fit the biblical account. It would be much simpler if it did. On that matter alone, many people attack biology, chemistry, geology, astronomy..you name it. Pretty much all of the physical sciences are in good agreement here, but people refuse to accept it, and the deniers are pathetic circus promoters.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 27, 2013 - 11:30pm PT
Bluey - so I can take that to the bank?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
May 27, 2013 - 11:34pm PT

Well, his and the vast majority of people who have spent their lives studying the subject... don't you think? Ha... what a silly question, of course you don't think.

That is proven to be untrue. And discredits all your further claims.

You are a hack and a fraud if you stand by that statement.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 27, 2013 - 11:35pm PT
Maybe not.


What do you say Bluey? What would it take for you to say "Well I'll be damned - turns out you guys were right all along!"


huh? What would it take Bro?
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
May 27, 2013 - 11:43pm PT
So, since [high school dropout] is really dumb and has no education in Science, I should ignore his opinions?
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
May 27, 2013 - 11:43pm PT
This is actually true. I remember hearing Rush Limbaugh telling a caller that global warming was wrong and to forget about it. This was about fifteen years ago.

How is he so certain? He never discusses science, and he never went to college. Perhaps he has some high school math and science training from about 40 years ago.

I trust Ed more than I trust Limbaugh over matters regarding science.

I put Ed's accomplishes up there because he isn't your normal scientist. He is a stud and is here to help us understand things that are over our heads.

I need to describe the event that happened when Pangea broke up, which involved a very high period of volcanism and CO2 release.

The real question here is whether Bluering, Chief, Rick, etc. are only parrots. They probably understand very little other than a temperature graph.

It is time to begin talking about water vapor. One of my best friends is a top cloud physicist. Yep. He is a world famous cloud researcher. We've discussed global warming many times. He is pretty calm about it and says that water vapor will be the key. Obviously dewpoints will increase as more vapor is introduced by evaporation of seawater. Will they be cirrus or will they be lower in the troposphere. It matters.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
May 27, 2013 - 11:46pm PT
So, since [high school dropout] is really dumb and has no education in Science, I should ignore his opinions?

Anyone can teach themselves through hard work, but generally the above statement is true. If someone refuses to put in the work to get a basic understanding, then they are usually best ignored.

These threads are full of time wasted arguing with fools.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 27, 2013 - 11:49pm PT
Just back off.


Don't be silly. No one backs off around here.

Unless your Name is Rick Sumner, El chaffo or Werner Braun. With those guys all you have to do is ask a tricky little question and they run off screaming like little girls. You're not that gay are you?

Come on buddy its a really easy totally non threatening question and I even demonstrated how easy it is to answer and I wasn't even struck dead by a lightning bolt or got aids or anything.

What do ya say? Pour yourself a stiff drink if it helps

Here it is again:

What would it take for you to say "Well I'll be damned - turns out you guys were right all along!"
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
May 27, 2013 - 11:54pm PT
What do you say Bluey? What would it take for you to say "Well I'll be damned - turns out you guys were right all along!"


huh? What would it take Bro?


Interesting. It would probably take really dramatic weather shifts. Dramatic ones that would make Sandy and Moore look common.

It's a non-issue. Islamic extremism is a bigger threat to you than weather. That, and big gov't!
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 27, 2013 - 11:58pm PT
We have been causing environmental damage for longer than that, there were probably 1000s of life forms that went extinct since man first migrated out of Africa

But we are losing 1000s of species a decade now, climate change, over fishing, acidification of the oceans, etc.


They call that Evolution DRF. Regardless the mechanism. Darwin never put any parameter/s on it. None. Millions of species have come, gone & went extinct long before we showed up. Nothing new. Remember, this planet has been operating for 4.6 Billion years. That is roughly 4.59 Billion years before we showed up. It will continue to do what it does in it's own way long after we do as the millions of other species did. Go and get our asses extinct. Get over yourselves.
WBraun

climber
May 28, 2013 - 12:05am PT
You jackass scientists are the ones who first made this horrible mess to begin with.

You were told for thousands of years not to do certain things to nature.

But ya never listened and now the same type of jackasses with rubber stamps that read PHd on them stamp each other on their foreheads "Scientist".

These same lab coat jackasses that fuked everything up to begin with now say we're all wrong because we guessed wrong.

They never listen to anything but their own rubber stamped selves.

Why should we even trust them to begin with since they have no real clue.

What's so called right today becomes wrong tomorrow.

This is their history all along.

Just see .... I can work both sides of the fence.

But we really "live" elsewhere .......


Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 28, 2013 - 12:07am PT
My respect for you just increased dramatically. Thank you. A bit evasive that little deflection to the Muslim threat but all in all you show a degree of admirable humility noticibly lacking from the light brigade.

Now if you can recognize that much possibility and if you can recognize that this is a subject of science, then its not much of a leap to realise that there already is way more evidence that supports AGW theory than not, and it boils down to who you trust to interpret the story.

Now who do you trust - Ed Hartouni or Lord Christopher Bunkton?
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 28, 2013 - 12:08am PT
DRF. Well the Chief is back, I'm out
bye

Now what was that Mr. Kay about running off. Oh.

All this talk about ED etc. You boys really got this down to a religion. ED the High Priest. He has studied this soooo long. Thus he knows it. Scholar. Hmm. Sounds like the Roman Catholic Church back in the Medieval Days and all their know it all propaganda. We know. You must follow the/our word or off with you head. Got it. Humans. No different today than back then and beyond. Ego.

Now who do you trust - Ed Hartouni or Lord Christopher Bunkton

Don't believe either would ever take the bullet for me or any of you. Trust? Neither.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 28, 2013 - 12:08am PT
Blue if you check the posts I have up thread in different weather events (Floods, Droughts, Tornadoes, Hurricanes, Extreme Heat, Extreme cold) it is REMARKABLE how many of them were record breaking with several that are considered 500 year to 1000 year storms (only to have a bigger storm in a few short years).

Don't believe me just google your own info...but use actual storm events (not studies) and see what YOU find...
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 28, 2013 - 12:11am PT
Yes Base, we all know Ed's stellar credentials, though not exactly what his work involves now. Im sure everyone one is glad to have him here to argue with and i'm sure he knows what knowledge he may manage to import to our pea brains we'll turn right around and use against him.Same goes for what info you give. This is an argument over ideology. As you point out global warming in these recent years has never been global and even if parts of the planet do warm up it doesn't spell doom.So abandon the CAGW crowd and live it up. Two more years work and you sail off in your boat-now that will be an adventure.

Edit- Utter b.s. Dr.-prove we are losing thousands of species per decade.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 28, 2013 - 12:13am PT
This is an argument over ideology.

BINGO!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 28, 2013 - 12:14am PT
This is an argument over ideology.

No, it is idiots arguing against solid science they know nothing about because they are slaves to their ideology. Huge difference.

Funny how the only other person who agrees with that statement is Chaff.
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