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BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
May 26, 2013 - 09:54pm PT
I am just an advocate for fighting with the people that are keeping the suppresion of these advanced technologies our civilization

Who would these people be?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 26, 2013 - 09:57pm PT
The evidence is mounting: Republicans and right-leaning independents are changing their minds, and increasingly supporting action on climate change and increased clean energy production.

A report from Yale and George Mason University Centers for Climate Change Communication, released in early April, surveyed Republican and Republican-leaning independents on their attitudes regarding climate change and clean energy.

A more convincing 62% of respondents said America should take steps to address climate change. This finding is bolstered by a recently released Gallup poll which confirms that increasing numbers of Republican voters are concerned about climate change

In the Yale study, a whopping 77% of respondents supported using more renewable energy in America than is used today, with 69% of these responses saying action should be taken “immediately.” Additionally, 64% think America “should take action to reduce our fossil fuel use.” These are Republican voters, calling for a shift away from fossil fuels and towards renewable energy
http://www.policymic.com/articles/36341/climate-change-2013-republicans-shifting-stance-on-global-warming




WELL, if the Republicans are supporting the climate change stuff, then I will have to oppose them

and I AM a registered Republican
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 26, 2013 - 10:01pm PT
The people suppressing the technology are BIG OIL COMPANIES and the politicians in thier pocket.

They buy companies who develop technologies that would compete with them in any way.

For example I grew up in Liberty Mo. right next to the Ford plant--one of my High School buddies had a Ford Bronco with an experimental carbuerator that allowed him to get extremely high gas mileage (at the time I drove a Honda CRX). My friend and I spent roughly the same amount of $$ a month on gas.---That carbuerator never made it to market...why??? Kind of like what happened to the electric car (have you seen the documentary dvd)?

Collusion amongst corporations is why....often the same people serve on the board of directors of several companies with similar interests.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
May 26, 2013 - 10:04pm PT
The Chief Opined:

In other words, the GCC crowd (peer rev process) buy it hook and sinker in some GCC endorsing Science periodical. Right.

Give him enough rope...
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 26, 2013 - 10:05pm PT
If you also want to talk collusion amongst corporations ---why is it illegal for us to distill alcohol---everybody could use their bio waste to produce ethanol (wich is a much cleaner burning and more powerful fuel than gasoline)--the problem Big Oil couldn't make a profit.

Same thing with Hemp---and countless other things that could benefit our society---the people with the $$$ have the politicians in their pocket and decisions are made in the interest of the people with the $$$ instead of the greater good of society.

THIS IS A FACT!!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 26, 2013 - 10:05pm PT
if they DONT KNOW why the "warming" flattened out the previous decade, then how are they to assume their interpretations for the future are correct?

Because any high school kid can conduct an experiment that CLEARLY shows increasing the CO2 content leads to increased temperature. The effects of CO2 and other greenhouse gasses have been known for well over a century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas#History_of_scientific_research

You yourself said:

certainly a 20% difference either way would affect us. but THAT is also up to debate because nature is an UNKOWN factor. We only know there has been a SMALL increase today.

There has been a 40% increase. Just for the record, 40% is more than 20%. So if 20% would certainly affect us, do you think 40% will somehow NOT affect us?
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
May 26, 2013 - 10:06pm PT
Good link Wilbeer. That's really straightforward and they say it like it is. It would be fun the see what Fox News would dream up! I was amazed at that show really. There's hope!

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50147675n

They did a good job with natural variability. Sure it can be an influence, but CO2 adds another factor on top that influence no matter what.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 26, 2013 - 10:07pm PT
Are you leaning towards conversion Norton? On purely ideological grounds, great.

Yes Base already answered your question upthread. Now how about geomagnetism, you probably have all current knowledge memorized and could save me the time of investigation.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 26, 2013 - 10:09pm PT
BASE,Whats with the graph you posted yesterday?Was it tornado sounding/tracking?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 26, 2013 - 10:15pm PT
Are you leaning towards conversion Norton? On purely ideological grounds, great.

well Rick, I did not know that my fellow Republicans are supporting global warming thing

I mean that poll of Republicans tells me I may be wrong

up to now I was a denier because it got cold here this winter, even had some snow

but I gotta go with my Repub party, and they seem to be changing, even supporting carbon taxes

ya know?
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
May 26, 2013 - 10:19pm PT
WELL, if the Republicans are supporting the climate change stuff, then I will have to oppose them


There's some comedy! Of course Republicans will have to change - people can be fooled for only so long. Does that make the acceptance of anthropomorphic climate change political? No. It shows how real the issue is. The acceptance of it at least, is beyond politics. Politics will handle what to do about it.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 26, 2013 - 10:22pm PT
Damn i thought there was a convert there.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
May 26, 2013 - 10:24pm PT
It was close!
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 26, 2013 - 10:37pm PT
well Norton- i won't bother to try to convince you that the grand old party is filled with hacks that did/do almost as a good of a job of ignoring reality and driving this country into the dirt as the current hacks occupying the majority of the senate and all the executive, whose leadership is from Chicago, with all that implies. Oh well, close but no cigar.

Edit- get me out of this loony bin, will a convert please step forward
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 26, 2013 - 10:42pm PT
well Rick

I can tell you are a pretty smart guy

where did you go to college and what was your degree in by the way?
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 26, 2013 - 10:42pm PT
and I AM a registered Republican

I am a registered Independent. No. Can't stand the T-Partiers, hard Right (Bible Thumping) or L Wing (Eco Caveman) fanatics. They are bad. All way bad.

Norton.

No one died today nor yesterday at IOMTT Mtn Course 2013 Practice sessions.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 26, 2013 - 10:50pm PT
PHD ,Survival on an Insane Planet, School of Hard Knocks class of 10,000 b.c.

Registered Independent-vote and support always to get rid of the last other crooked guy occupying the office. Don't care about party affiliation or beliefs as long as it's not imposed on my family.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 26, 2013 - 10:53pm PT
ah, rick

so you made it through high school and then your formal education stopped?

thanks, was just curious....


and yeah Chief, let's hope that continues on the Island!

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 26, 2013 - 10:58pm PT
A little beyond H.S. Read and identified with the famous Roper Quote about climbers "by and large maladjusted, antisocial, sex starved ,(ticked off the first three by age 16) college dropouts" Number 4 check, age 19.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 26, 2013 - 11:05pm PT
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=greeneck


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