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Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 7, 2013 - 10:25pm PT
rick, is this the one?

http://www.presidentialrhetoric.com/campaign2008/obama/11.04.08.html

because I can't find it there.

Maybe one of his others?

http://www.presidentialrhetoric.com/campaign2008/
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 7, 2013 - 10:36pm PT
No, thats not it. Forgive me guys. I really don't pay a lot of attention to what your man in the White House says anymore. He has said so many things. Anyway below is a link in reference.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2008/06/07/as-the-oceans-rise.html
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 7, 2013 - 10:36pm PT
Sorry dude but let's look at the graph again.

YES, let's...

We are well below average.

The south has been drier than 1977 since April.

The north and central have been drier than 1977 since early May.



Look closely. If need be, dawn a pair of glasses.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jun 7, 2013 - 10:38pm PT
Just think if the internet was around back when we discovered the world was a sphere.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jun 7, 2013 - 10:39pm PT
Just think if the internet was around 50 years after we discovered the world was round.

That woulda been at least 80k posts by now.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 7, 2013 - 10:40pm PT
You gentlemen do realize that California and the southwest have suffered many specie and civilization ending mega droughts over the last twenty thousand years, don't you? A little dryspell is absolutely nothing out of the ordinary.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jun 7, 2013 - 10:50pm PT
We are gunna die!.. unfortunately much faster than necessary. Civilization may or may not survive another 100 years or so but if it doesn't it could have.

The next civilization will probably learn something from all of this.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 7, 2013 - 10:56pm PT
Rick, definitely in the southwest, but name a civilization in the Sierra Nevada that ended due to a "mega drought" in the last twenty thousand years. Seriously, I know a bit about indigenous civilizations in the southwest, but not much about those in CA.

The issue was "it is dry," in response to which the Chaff offered his childhood memories and demonstrated his inability to process simple information presented in graphical form.



Thanks for the refresher Bruce. Keep up the good work.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jun 7, 2013 - 11:17pm PT
Hey Rick, you were right!

Although you lied because the President never PROMISED to lower the sea level

HE DID!

or, more accurately, he was right, the sea level HAS GONE DOWN AS HE SAID!

Thanks for pointing this out Rick!

Obama declared in a June 8, 2008 speech, that his presidency will be “the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.” Obama’s prognostication occurred during his victory speech in St. Paul for the Democratic Party nomination.

Climate Depot can now announce it is official. Earlier this month, the European Space Agency’s Envisat monitoring, global sea level revealed a “two year long decline [in sea level] was continuing, at a rate of 5mm per year.”

In August 2011, NASA announced that global sea level was dropping and was “a quarter of an inch lower than last summer.” See: NASA: ‘Global sea level this summer is a quarter of an inch lower than last summer’

The global drop in sea level followed NASA’s announcement that sea level around the U.S. was declining in February 2011.

Most surprising, despite the fact that Obama said he would only “slow” the rise of the oceans, his presidency has presided over what some scientists are terming an “historic decline” in global sea levels. Obama appears to have underestimated his own powers to alter sea level.

Even more impressive for President Obama is the fact that just six months into his presidency, sea level started its historic reversal. In July 2009, sea level was already showing a “slowdown and was “still flattening.” See: Sea Level Rise: An Update Shows a Slowdown & See: Global Sea Level Updated at UC – still flattening’

President Obama’s success in lowering sea level has not gone unnoticed. The skeptical website Real Science, made sarcastic note of Obama’s “healing of the climate” and his sea level accomplishment on June 3, 2011.
“No hurricanes have struck the US since Obama became president, temperatures and sea level have dropped, and we have had record snow,” Real Science noted. “Reservoirs are filling up – and all of the damage [President George W.] Bush did to the climate has been healed. Obama should declare ‘mission accomplished’ and take credit!” Real Science concluded.
http://www.climatedepot.com/2011/09/21/promise-kept-planet-healer-obama-calls-it-in-2008-he-declared-his-presidency-would-result-in-the-rise-of-the-oceans-beginning-to-slow-and-by-2011-sea-level-drops/[/quote]
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 7, 2013 - 11:18pm PT
Christ almighty ,if you wish. Look up Spirit Cave man, lookup Folsom, lookup Clovis, and of course you know of the denizens of Chaco canyon. All cultures that had to move on or perish. But their forays into the Sierra were few and far between. The Paiute, Miwok, and others have frequented the mountains there in more recent times.

Oh come on Norton-that is what he implied

Bruce you continue to entertain. At present the stack of papers is more like 16" and the siding closer to 20'
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 7, 2013 - 11:40pm PT
Speaking of Fail! Models compared to reality.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 7, 2013 - 11:44pm PT
Clovis, Folsom, and Chaco are used to describe cultural periods defined by technologies... not individual civilizations... and the original sites were in New Mexico. Try again?


haha, Chaff can't admit the fact that he was WRONG about the actual data... so he reverts to attacking the models he knows NOTHING about.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jun 7, 2013 - 11:48pm PT
Oh come on Norton-that is what he implied

oh come on Rick, even a high school graduate knows the difference between the two, you don't?

but regardless, the President was correct, the sea level has fallen


and that's all that matters right?

the fact that you tried and lied to make the President out to be a liar, and then it turns out that he told the truth all along, and it was you who lied about the "promise"

poetic justice

The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 7, 2013 - 11:51pm PT
haha, Chaff can't admit the fact that he was WRONG about the actual data

Plenty of water. Tons. Not to worry around my neck of the woods.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 7, 2013 - 11:51pm PT
Christ almighty i am well aware that Chaco is in New Mexico. And was Christ around to see Folsom or Clovis, i don't think so. What do you know of the Chumash? How old, what locations, the extent of their range?

Pretty clear cut graphs Chief. How can these guys fail to see it? Just deadenders i'm afraid.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 7, 2013 - 11:56pm PT
Did the Chumash civilization end due to a mega drought?

I don't think there is a single person that claims any model can predict the future with absolute accuracy... but there is at least one person on here who clearly doesn't know how to read graphs.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 8, 2013 - 12:01am PT
Well Christ if they can't predict the future with any accuracy why are they worshipped as evidence?
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 8, 2013 - 12:11am PT
hmmm, did I say "any accuracy" or "absolute accuracy?"

No sane person "worships" computer models nor do they consider them "evidence."

No wonder you fellas are so confused about everything.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 8, 2013 - 12:14am PT
mind numbingly clever, really.
slayton

Trad climber
Here and There
Jun 8, 2013 - 04:21am PT
Well Christ if they can't predict the future with any accuracy why are they worshipped as evidence?

Please look up the definition of science and then get back to me.

Predicting the future? Worshipping?

Admit it. You know nothing of the way that science as a method actually works.
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