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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 22, 2013 - 03:08pm PT
Mother jonesing will tell you the sky is indeed falling..Ill bet they are still talking about those polar bears too..


Who in fact has to worry about a SLIGHT rise in ocean levels? Well the ones that have built extremely close to any erosion type set up, and those that own docks or live at the very cusp of the seas.. The polar bears seem to be diggin the shorter walk between feeding stations. But since ice is growing at the other end, and oceans cooling, global temps being flat for the last fifteen years,, and CO2 slightly rising, all the correlations of "global warming" seem a bit "off" in nature. (pun intended)
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
May 22, 2013 - 03:11pm PT
Here, I'll post this again;
http://arstechnica.com/science/2011/03/uh-oh-greenland-and-antarctica-melting-faster-than-expected/


The verification test produced results that were within 20 gigatons per year in Greenland and 150 gigatons per year in Antarctica, well under previously observed error estimates for each individual approach.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 22, 2013 - 03:14pm PT
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/22/forget-the-melting-arctic_n_1906554.html



there i even used HUFFPOST for ya...Yurs 2011, mine 2012..Now either it was ONE HELLA year at the antartic, orrrrr its been growing for a while and was simply IGNORED?
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
May 22, 2013 - 03:21pm PT
Sea ice is not continental ice. It's the continental ice that is melting and helping the sea ice along by 'freshening' the seawater. I have not considered that the same process may be supporting whatever Arctic Ice Extent is left.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 22, 2013 - 03:26pm PT
again,, the article you posted was dead wrong.. Im sorry but those be the facts. It said ant was melting faster than art when ant was growing..So sayeth the penguins.


And Yes consider that the ocean has cooled. Yet "global warming" is occurring with flat lined temps the last fifteen years and make sense of that.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 22, 2013 - 03:27pm PT
For several decades now, the Arctic has been warming twice as fast as any other region on Earth — one of the clearest symptoms of human-caused global warming. And it has been contributing more to sea level rise than Antarctica has.

Here is some updated info for you Ron, Ricky, and Le Chef. newsflash but the Artic, Antartic, and Greenland are all MELTING just as science predicted.


In research published last November, scientists reached something of a consensus on what the warming has been doing to the polar ice sheets. Here’s Richard Kerr’s summary (subscription required) in the journal Science:

By the new reckoning, the Greenland ice sheet lost 263±30 billion tons of ice per year from 2005 to 2010. Overall, Antarctica lost about 81 billion tons per year in the same period; the huge East Antarctic portion of the ice sheet registered a small gain, more than offset by losses in West Antarctica and the adjacent Antarctic Peninsula. Since 1992, the two ice sheets lost enough ice to raise sea level by about 0.6 millimeters per year on average, out of the observed 3 millimeters per year. (Most of the rest of the sea level rise came from melting mountain glaciers and from the expansion of seawater due to warming.)



http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/imageo/2013/02/18/surface-ice-in-greenland-is-melting-in-winter/
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McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
May 22, 2013 - 03:32pm PT
Yet "global warming" is occurring with flat lined temps the last fifteen years and make sense of that.

Ron, these are 'feedbacks'. That amount of cold water dumping into the oceans cools things off. It can only go on for so long though, and warming will continue. This is kind of what is known as the 'missing heat'. You can't have a cooling planet and these kinds of gigatons of melt at the same time. A flat-line as you call it is not really flat. To maintain the heat that the planet is maintaining, at the same time that these huge melts are occurring, is NOT flat.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 22, 2013 - 03:33pm PT
Antartic ice has grown 2.7% in the last 30 years.
Artic ice has decreased 47% in that same time period.
Wait, i know what you guys are going to say ,without you even looking it up.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
May 22, 2013 - 03:36pm PT
As posted above, it's the sea-ice that is inceasing, the continental ice is decreasing at a rapid rate and making it easier for sea level water to freeze because the water is fresher.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 22, 2013 - 03:38pm PT
80% of South Pacific islands are not flooding/sinking, they are growing in size link

Sea level rise has average 6 inches per century, no rate of increase has been observed. link

Sea level rise follows natural oscillations (Duke University) link

The rate of sea level rise has decreased 34 percent in the last decade. link

Sea level rise slowing down link

NOAA, no acceleration in sea level rise. link

Sea level rise has slowed the last seven years. Ed Caryl Link

Sea Level rise is slowing down. Klaus-Eckart Puls link

Relationship between solar activity and sea level. David Archibald link

Sea levels have been declining for the past 2 years link

NASA says sea levels are falling. link

NASA says sea level dropped in 2010 link

Island of Tuvalu and other Pacific Islands, are they threatened with sea rise? link

NOAA tidal gages shows sea level rise is averaging only 1.85 inches per century link

Sea level rise from polar ice melt is not a likely threat




ODD that is no? ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 22, 2013 - 03:43pm PT
researchin in shyt..
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
May 22, 2013 - 03:45pm PT
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/31/us-climate-antarctica-idUSBRE92U05A20130331 Why the sea-ice is increasing.

(Reuters) - Global warming is expanding the extent of sea ice around Antarctica in winter in a paradoxical shift caused by cold plumes of summer melt water that re-freeze fast when temperatures drop, a study showed on Sunday.

Ron, I'm glad you like NASA so much.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 22, 2013 - 03:50pm PT
Yes Mchale and he says the best theory of the antartic growth is ,,, wind coupled with fresh melt water. Are we now blaming wind on global warming too? I hadnt heard that one yet..If thats the case,, Nevada has a GOOD lawsuit against it all! We have ALWAYS had wind! Theres GOT to be a way i can make a buck from this!!!


Scrreeeeeeech! Whew,, started thinkin like an ECO groupie for a mo there!




edit: seriously, some of you need to view OTHER sites. See the other side of a POOOOlitical coin. And then remeber a famous phrase from a former president, " Beware when you hear Hi, were from the govt and were here to help". Thats what "GLOBAL Warming" is a pooolitical tool.. When dealing in govt service, i saw pooolitics at the lowest levels affect the best of plans turning them into useless jestures.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 22, 2013 - 04:09pm PT
http://www.businessinsider.com/islands-threatened-by-climate-change-2012-10?op=1


I gotta admit Ron I was ROFLMAO when I read your "researchin n shyt" post...are you actually reading what you research?? The ice sheets actually melt at different rates according to what spot of the continent is being measured. Antartic ice sheets are growing in the east but are losing far more ice in the WEST of antartica.

By the way the islands in the link above are DISAPPEARING don't believe it use some of your indigenous people skills I know you have and ASK personally!!
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 22, 2013 - 04:11pm PT
OK Ron ,where does it say wind caused GW.

You are a master at providing links.

The poster boy for climate change denial.

Dick,the Chef, c'mon help your boy out here.

Convert[s],please ,help .
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 22, 2013 - 04:14pm PT
wilbeer are yu intaking yur namesake? I never said wind was causing GW..

The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 22, 2013 - 04:19pm PT
I just returned from an attempt to play with the local Brookies and Goldens up at Horton 1 & 2. Unfortunately a GCC Climatic induced disaster was occurring. The wind was at a steady 30ish mph with gusts up to 45. Had my Kestrel 3500 with me to measure the temps/wind etc. Did not even bother breaking out the Rod and stuff. Will attempt again this weekend with a clients 12 y/o son who has never caught a Brookie nor Golden. That will be a treat. Will post more this eve.
crunch

Social climber
CO
May 22, 2013 - 04:31pm PT
And where didya get that cut'n'pasty job?

website:

http://isthereglobalcooling.com/about_the_author

run by a Washington DC auto dealer "and former National Automobile Dealers Association board member" called Geoffrey Pohanka.

McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
May 22, 2013 - 04:33pm PT
" Beware when you hear Hi, were from the govt and were here to help".

Ron, didn't you work for the 'govt'?

Yes Mchale and he says the best theory of the antartic growth is ,,,

Ron, why can't you at least distinguish between continental ice and sea ice. Why do you do that? Don't you see the difference AND the connection?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 22, 2013 - 04:36pm PT
i worked both state and fed at ground levels. Im still a carded "Civil defense" member ( indefinite) which now falls underrrrrr natl guard? DHS?? got me actually..


My state was on a road crew for NDOT and i could make a natl lampoon movie of what i saw there.


Fed was BLM and USFS 3 and 11 years . From hotsnot, engine, helitack, into felling boss/line boss/smaller fire boss types,into timber and fulewood admin, LEO and then to Timber crew forman/LEO level 3 (one of the last)..
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