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Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 31, 2013 - 12:18pm PT
hey Rick

you Wasilla yahoo

explain exactly how the "data was manipulated"

prove your sh!t, Rick

OR apologize for lying
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 31, 2013 - 12:19pm PT
Oh, i forgot about you Bruce. I think we covered all this in our resounding defeat of your religiuos CAGW beliefs, but to reiterate.
1.Yes AGW is a fact. As Ed said, a rather feeble signal compared to natural variability.If you think that billions and billions of multi ton eating machines known as dinosaurs didn't influence the planet then obviously you were not at the tail end of their methane release.
2. Intuition is what people like Darwin, Einstein,Dyson,Lindzen etc. share, that along with the ability to share it through the language of science.Prejudice is the trait that your CAGW religion shares with many religions and political systems on this planet-the inflexible belief they are the chosen people and the sole recipients of the divine truths.
3. See above. If competing beliefs conflict with their view of the world, as the chosen people, then it must obviously be wrong in their minds
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 31, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
well Ed,

I understand your call for me to be more civil, and not call rick a liar for saying the date is manipulated

I don't feel my use of the word liar is inappropriate here as when someone intentionally says something they know to be untrue then they are a "liar"

I believe in calling out liars, for lots and lots of reasons
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 31, 2013 - 12:40pm PT
gee guys,, Ed calls for civility and then the next three posts in a row are pure crapola.. Even Ed slides in the subtle "cut"...


Gw submarine has a screen door,, burble burble gurgle...
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
May 31, 2013 - 12:56pm PT
Ron Anderson ≠ Sarah Palin
but ...
Ron Anderson = stupid
Sarah Palin = stupid
Ron Anderson ≈ Sarah Palin
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 31, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
malemutt,, if my dog looked like you id shave its ass and teach it to walk backwards..



See there THATS how you CUT someone.. If your bound and determined to interject nonsense then please do so with a bit more "gusto"..
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 31, 2013 - 04:39pm PT
hey mtlion go find someone else's leg to hump...

And NEVER bring my parents into YOUR bullshyt. Ill stomp you a "knew" azzhole. cyberly and litterally...
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 31, 2013 - 04:58pm PT
And NEVER bring my parents into YOUR bullshy

I agree, Ron

that was wrong

all of us do tend to insult others who we may disagree with, fine we are all thick skinned

but making up stuff about one's parents is flat wrong, that is over the line personal



wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 31, 2013 - 05:35pm PT
http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus

Which gov. agency denies CC?

Yep,there are none,cant find any.

Credit: wilbeer

You fellows get some consensus ,then get back to me.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
May 31, 2013 - 06:27pm PT
The Chief wrote:
With that said, I am outta here for a while. Heading up to some secret spots...

LOL!!!!!!!1111 Lines like that might work on the n00bs on summitpost, but I doubt too many here are impressed with your vast secret knowledge of the Sierra.

Tell the truth, are you really placing convenience anchors on the Mountaineer's route, like you did on North Peak?

Climb safe out there, OK?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 31, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
as will Westboro Baptist Church
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 1, 2013 - 02:23pm PT
If the sun happened to dip below all observed activity for any significant period of time, if this corresponded with a low in geomagnetic activity, and if we happened to be recipient of an unusually high Cr flux, well the results would be catastrophic truly. I appreciated all the corroborating articles/papers on my "intuition" of atmospheric changes doe to solar and extra solar energies in relation to magnetic variation, but i know you like a good argument and are likely to bait and switch, Ed.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 3, 2013 - 08:33pm PT
Ed have you heard the latest breaking news on a study (peer reviewed) that shows even the IPCC scientists are now thinking that our atmosphere is FAR more resilient to green house gasses than thought even in last years reports? And that "black carbon" may be far more of an effect than CO2 which they now are BACKING AWAY from!??
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 3, 2013 - 10:35pm PT
They interviewed a scientist on the Tom Sullivan radio show today. As i was working i did not catch the names.. Its a fairly new paper, and they specifically stated peer reviewed.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jun 4, 2013 - 12:05am PT
Good subject matter New World Order. You can bet this is being looked at seriously. I was at a party where there were a number of environmental researchers a few years ago and was very surprised that some of them thought this was going to be the solution, or at least part of it. It was like, " Oh yeah, that's what we'll be doing." It was too matter of fact for me. It was depressing because the notion seems to be that since we can't control ourselves we will be looking to these reactive solutions. These solutions will take us down the wrong path.

That's pretty scary Bruce!
abrams

Sport climber
Jun 4, 2013 - 12:58am PT
Illinois high sulfur coal, that is unsaleable in the US, is regularly burned in Chinese power plants these days.

They pay us more than a $100 per metric ton!




http://www.technologyreview.com/featuredstory/511016/a-cheap-and-easy-plan-to-stop-global-warming/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2011297/Coal-burning-China-cools-planet.html
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jun 4, 2013 - 01:28am PT
Buy More Sh#t Cheaper.

Simple thing to help soak up carbon;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGZ6hCy_Pok
abrams

Sport climber
Jun 4, 2013 - 01:57am PT
Enviro's like to dream of the day when wind and solar replace burning carbon
for electricity. But few will accept their lights going out at sunset or when the wind stops blowing.

The question here is why the owners of those clean energy systems
are not required to build in equivalent 'spinning reserve' capacity?

The fossil fuel energy guys have to do it.




http://www.linkedin.com/groups/Calculating-cost-solar-wind-dont-3676376.S.187931243
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 5, 2013 - 02:15am PT
Here is some interesting reading for you guys. A physicist named Weather Phil on this thread. He goes long on predictions for a distinct cooling period we are entering and provides his own theories backed up with peer reviewed papers. Quite a bit to take in, but very interesting.

http://westernusawx.info/forums/index.php?showtopic=33725
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 5, 2013 - 11:16am PT
We used to have glaciers and dinosaurs in tropical jungles. Anything short of those two extremes is just natural variability... which can easily be explained by ANYTHING except anthropogenic CO2. Why you ask? Well, because nobody knows anything with absolute certainty... so Joe the plumbers guess is as good as any scientist's.
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