Climate Change skeptics? [ot]

I was working on one of my long posts about several famous CO2 forced hothouse events in the geologic past and how they are known. Now I am just gonna read TR's and comment on Steck Salathe beta.

I could teach you guys how oil and gas are formed. Where and why they accumulate in certain areas, go into markets and drilling techniques, but it is a waste of breath.

This impact is documented by the EPA, research organizations, scientists.

Never had you pegged as a greenie, but it's all good.

David Keith & Bill Gates have joined forces to conduct a Solar Radiation Management Experiment in New Mexico without any consideration for the acid rains, air, soil, and water pollution consequences. Beneficial atmospheric zone depletion is also another another huge problem from these types of experiments. The idea is for the public to pay for these experiments, use humans as guinea pigs and use the Earth and the Earth's Atmosphere for this type of experimental testing.

Since research, scientific knowledge experiments, and military actions are not covered under most international treaties and conventions...it opens the door for these experiments to be used around the world. Solar Radiation Management is one such experiment that will only "mask" temperature or global warming...this is not a fix. Once started it cannot be stopped as the warming it "masks" will then show up immediately and fast. The water vapor, sulfur or aluminum oxides gases, used to make small particles in the atmosphere will need to be used continously...as the particles will fall back to Earth on a constant basis...polluting air, water, soils, causing acid rain and other problems.

...the radical geoengineering industry that has overwhelmed the entire agriculture, meat and poultry industry

You bet I am ashole.

Truly a disappointing turn in the thread.

It's such a lunatic non-starter as to be the very definition of 'fringe' right up there with sasquatch, nessie, and ufo's

In recent years, consideration of the possible warming of the climate due to the injection into the atmosphere of ''greenhouse gases,'' particularly carbon dioxide, CO2,1 has motivated proposals to impose international limitations of the burning of fossil fuels, particularly ones yielding less heating-value per gram of CO2 released, such as coal. The starting point of the present paper is the widely-appreciated fact2 that increases in average world-wide temperature of the magnitude currently predicted can be canceled3 by preventing about 1% of incoming solar radiation – insolation – from reaching the Earth.4,5 This could be done by scattering into space from the vicinity of the Earth an appropriately small fraction of total insolation. If performed nearoptimally, 6 we believe that the total cost of such an enhanced scattering operation would probably be at most $1 billion per year, an expenditure that is two orders of magnitude smaller in economic terms than those underlying currently proposed limitations on fossil-fired energy production.

And what f*#kall does atmospheric research have to do with the quoted statement on agriculture?

The purpose of this paper is not to advocate definite solutions. It is only to augment the scientific effort to find solutions of general acceptability and benefit.

...the radical geoengineering industry that has overwhelmed the entire agriculture, meat and poultry industry

Why? Well, because any form of deliberate 'geoengineering' which stood even a vague chance of being effective to stated goals would be so nightmarishly expensive as to never be funded by corporations or governments unless they were passing budgets and bills while neck deep in seawater.

- and, hey, call me when they have a fleet of five thousand of them and I'll start being concerned

Various techniques have been proposed for delivering the aerosol precursor gases (H2S and SO2). The required altitude to enter the stratosphere is the height of the tropopause, which varies from 11 km (6.8 miles/36,000 feet) at the poles to 17 km (11 miles/58,000 feet) at the equator.
Aircraft such as the F15-C variant of the F-15 Eagle have the necessary flight ceiling, but limited payload. Military tanker aircraft such as the KC-135 Stratotanker and KC-10 Extender also have the necessary ceiling and have greater payload.
Modified Artillery might have the necessary capability,[39] but requires a polluting and expensive gunpowder charge to loft the payload.
High-altitude balloons can be used to lift precursor gases, in tanks, bladders or in the balloons' envelope. Balloons can also be used to lift pipes and hoses, but no moored balloon has ever been deployed to the necessary altitude.

And in fact, there is no such thing as a "radical geoengineering industry"

Steve Connor, Science Editor of the Independent, wrote: Professor Paul Crutzen, who won a Nobel Prize in 1995 for his work on the hole in the ozone layer, believes that political attempts to limit man-made greenhouse gases are so pitiful that a radical contingency plan is needed. In a polemical scientific essay that was published in the August 2006 issue of the journal Climatic Change, he says that an "escape route" is needed if global warming begins to run out of control.[9]

Professor Crutzen has proposed a method of artificially cooling the global climate by releasing particles of sulphur in the upper atmosphere,along with other particles at lower atmospheric levels, which would reflect sunlight and heat back into space. The controversial proposal is being taken seriously by scientists because Professor Crutzen has a proven track record in atmospheric research. If this artificial cooling method actually were to work, then we would be able to help reverse the effects of the pollution caused by the burning of fossil fuels, buying us time to find a permanent energy replacement. This could be crucial in helping maintain the planet's integrity and livability.

In January 2008, Crutzen published findings that the release of nitrous oxide (N2O) emissions in the production of biofuels means that they contribute more to global warming than the fossil fuels they replace.