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mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 21, 2013 - 06:37pm PT
Sorry Ron---I was TRYING to be funny :)

However your still RONG about the science!!

Did you READ the emission studies?????
monolith

climber
SF bay area
May 21, 2013 - 06:43pm PT
No, Ron, the polar bear is suffering from climate change and will suffer more when the ice disappears. They will become a land based bear, hybridizing more with other land based bears. Eventually they will lose their pure white fur, because it is a disadvantage on land. We will then have lost the traditional polar bear.

Similarly, American Indians were driven from their native lands onto reservations and suffered tremendously. They survive today, but they have lost much of the traditional native culture that flourished hundreds of years ago.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 21, 2013 - 06:45pm PT
christ Ron, they are well know... which is why they can ABSOLUTELY 100% BE RULED OUT as possible explanations for the current observations. All the best possible explanations the Big Oil funded "scientists" could come up with have shot down.

Which leaves ONE possibility and it comes directly from using Big Oil's product. It is now at 400 ppm, a concentration higher than it has been in millions of years.

Honestly though, I was starting to think you were cooler than I originally thought. I guess I just hadn't read your bullshit for a while.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 06:46pm PT
dude,, again,, im not doubting we have an effect.. Let that sloooowly sink in, extrapolate from that ahead,, You can do this im sure.

knotts (rip)presented GREAT graphs showing all manner of theories in other directions. You seem to just brush by those like they werent there. I suppose i could repost those. For every study, its been my personal experience that there is an equal and opposite study. At least as long as i was involved in studies at one level or another.




simple terms : Polar bears? Bullsheet.

Spotted Owls,, more bullsheet.

as for global warming and the CAUSES and extrapolations could VERY well be mo bullsheet.

Bullsheet stacked so high it becomes a self feeding industry.. Much like BIGFOOT!







edit: Wes in those millions of years you mention there have been dramatic changes and there always WILL BE what we consider dramatic changes. THAT one thing is obvious about any look back in time as we know it to be. The models based on theory certainly arent beyond accuracy questions not knowing exaclty what the future holds. The ice builds in the antartic while it reduces some at the opposite pole. When did this last happen and why. It had nothing to do with man then im sure right? And no measurements are uniform, CO2 being far more prevelant over cities and such. How do they measure what amount of that is scrubbed naturally? Or can they?


Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 21, 2013 - 06:53pm PT
ok You got me there not higher

yes, you were flat wrong when you "assumed" without knowing that CO2 levels were HIGHER in the past

and that really is the issue, Ron

the fact that, honestly, you could save yourself and all of us a lot of time and words calling out your constant inaccurate and just downright wrong statements that you make

why not learn from all this, Ron?

instead of continually assuming that because you think something that it just must be true?

in fact, try the opposite, assume you are wrong first and that way you will post only what is factually true because you won't be posting that much!

saves on typing
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 06:57pm PT
Norton quit taking the cheap shots. Then rubbin the salt in like im a mini porker an the barbie !. I already admitted that, yet proved the point of the polar bear laughing at some of you. Greater fluctuations of CO2 and habitats being the points.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
May 21, 2013 - 06:59pm PT
Norton quit taking the cheap shots

Rise to your own mark?

DMT
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 21, 2013 - 07:00pm PT
Wes in those millions of years you mention there have been dramatic changes and there always WILL BE what we consider dramatic changes.

And yet there has NOT been 400 ppm of CO2 in the atmosphere, nor has there been a 40% increase in CO2 over a few decades.

It is UNFUKINPRECEDENTED. Think about it.



If you normally drink 10 beers over 5 hours at a campfire and do just fine, but then one night drink 14 in an hour, you gonna be fuked man. It really ain't that hard to understand.

400 ppm is significant and it is a direct result of our actions.

40% increase over a short period of time is significant and it is a direct result of our actions.

and all you gots is "eh, we don't know for sure... there are like changes and stuff... derrrrr."

Pathetic.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 21, 2013 - 07:03pm PT
Ron ,highest temps ever recorded last year ,glaciers and artic ice going away faster than ever recorded.
It is amazing,you should be demanding compensation from Exxon,the Kochs and every FRUITCAKE this side of Limbaugh.
What does it feel like to be a puppet?
When you decide to post credible facts ,some might take you a bit more seriously.
And we know you did not go to college.
It is obvious.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 07:09pm PT
wilbeer,, youve an idea or two there,, care to be my "agent" ?
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 21, 2013 - 07:13pm PT
Keep that sense of humor,it will do you well.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 21, 2013 - 07:15pm PT
Ron "Knotts posted GREAT graphs" ROTFLMAO!!!

please repost the GREAT graphs Ron!!!

I need to burn some calories and a good laugh is supposed to be good for stress help a brother out!!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 07:17pm PT
eyeaint yur brother. scroll for them yourself, or click on the deactivated account to scroll that directly. which would be the quicker option, imo...
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 21, 2013 - 07:28pm PT
Ron

Sorry to hurt your feelings--again but get over it will ya!

I'm just like you (except I have a degree and you probably climb better)... but I'm on the correct side of the debate.



Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 07:40pm PT
breaking news on the radio,, a well known politician was just blaming the INCREASE of tornadoes on global warming.. A professor and Tornado expert is now on telling of how that is nonsense, They have actually gone down in occurence, the deadliest year being recorded in 1925.. More bullsheet.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
May 21, 2013 - 07:56pm PT
Hard to get a word in edgewise here, but I have a question for some of the more recently active alarmists:
What are the grounds for your contention that the big oil companies are somehow tricking the public regarding global warming?

I just looked the position of the the two (by far) largest US oil companies.
If they're trying to trick the public into thinking that climate change isn't happening and/or that human release of CO2 isn't related, they are doing either the world's worst job or have some brilliant second-level psychological operation going on.

http://www.chevron.com/globalissues/climatechange/
http://www.exxonmobil.com/Corporate/safety_climate_mgmt.aspx

For example, from ExxonMobil:
Rising greenhouse-gas emissions pose significant risks to society and ecosystems. Since most of these emissions are energy-related, any integrated approach to meeting the world’s growing energy needs over the coming decades must incorporate strategies to address the risk of climate change.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 21, 2013 - 08:08pm PT
blah blah it is well documented how the large oil companies have suppressed other renewable energy sources for several decades.

Perhaps most significantly they were successful in making mass transit the least desirable option (if it an option at all in most cities) in the U.S..

Cars were marketed in a way that makes it seem as if everybody HAS to have one and what do you know---today you do have to have one. That isn't the case in most areas of the world.

I find it hard to believe that you don't understand how big oil is able to shape the debate---only recently have they made an effort to be environmentally conscious but even that is a FACADE. They don't want the world to stop using their product until/unless they are in control of what we use next. (that is why we don't have solar panels on roofs nationwide). Instead energy companies want large fields they own to be the spout for renewable energy.

Even a 3rd world country like the Philippines has better public transportaion than the U.S. and there are several forms of it---You don't need a car to live or travel there (in fact most don't have cars).

Ron any citation of the radio program or professor???
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 21, 2013 - 08:10pm PT
Just the very tip of the melting iceberg
http://www.nationofchange.org/koch-exxon-funded-scientist-challenged-students-climate-denial-event-1365601643










Shall i continue,http://heartland.org














http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2010/02/climate-denial-still-brought-you-exxonmobil
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 21, 2013 - 08:26pm PT
NORTON: "WHEN were CO2 levels higher in the past....


I did not know that CO2 levels were higher at any time in history than now?"


Read and heed, all of you.

Various proxy measurements have been used to attempt to determine atmospheric carbon dioxide levels millions of years in the past. These include boron and carbon isotope ratios in certain types of marine sediments, and the number of stomata observed on fossil plant leaves. While these measurements give much less precise estimates of carbon dioxide concentration than ice cores, there is evidence for very high CO2 volume concentrations between 200 and 150 Ma of over 3,000 ppm and between 600 and 400 Ma of over 6,000 ppm.[7] In more recent times, atmospheric CO2 concentration continued to fall after about 60 Ma. About 34 Ma, the time of the Eocene–Oligocene extinction event and when the Antarctic ice sheet started to take its current form, CO2 is found to have been about 760 ppm,[45] and there is geochemical evidence that volume concentrations were less than 300 ppm by about 20 Ma. Carbon dioxide decrease, with a tipping point of 600 ppm, was the primary agent forcing Antarctic glaciation.[46] Low CO2 concentrations may have been the stimulus that favored the evolution of C4 plants, which increased greatly in abundance between 7 and 5 Ma.


In billion-year timescales it is predicted that plant, and therefore animal, life on land will die off altogether as by that time most of the remaining carbon in the atmosphere will be sequestered underground and natural releases of CO2 by radioactivity-driven tectonic activity will have continued to slow down.[47] The loss of plant life would also result in the eventual loss of oxygen. Some microbes are capable of photosynthesis at concentrations of CO2 of a few parts per million and so the last life forms would probably disappear finally due to the rising temperatures and loss of the atmosphere when the sun becomes a red giant some four-billion years from now.[48]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere

Read the last paragraph Wessh#t, Chiloe, Mountainlion and the rest of your ecofreak sheepheads. Regardless the amount of C02 we humans pump into the atmosphere, eventually the planet will shed itself of ALL plant life. NOT from too much C02. Rather from NOT ENOUGH as it will all be sucked up by the earth itself and the plant life will all go with it. When that occurs, say bye bye to all the 02. Evolution at it's best. The Universe kicking some ass as it does so well infinitely.

MONOLITH: No, Ron, the polar bear is suffering from climate change and will suffer more when the ice disappears. They will become a land based bear, hybridizing more with other land based bears. Eventually they will lose their pure white fur, because it is a disadvantage on land. We will then have lost the traditional polar bear.

It's called evolution, remember. You do remember that component of science, don't you. "We" have no say in how evolution plays out other than to partake in it. Millions of species have come and gone long before you college educated dumbass humanoids showed up. We too will do the same eventually. Evolution. Remember it. It prevails here on earth and will do so long after you sorry asses are gone. Thank you Universe.

WESCHRIST, I pray for your mother and father. That the Gods of the infinite Universe do not make them suffer too much for having had sex and then given birth to your sorry repulsive useless unemployed ass. I imagine them having to deal with you till the day you left the barn may have been sufficient. But then that too is evolution. Creating buffoons such as yourself that don't even climb and live off the peoples taxes/welfare. Bum at best.

CHILOE: You, DRF and ED are complete scamwads. G-MEN making your living off this giant bullshit hoax of GCC. All three hypocrites. All three shameless and no different than any politician that scams their constituents day in and day with complete BS. Liars and beyond losers, ED. My four dogs individually have far more honor than the three of you combined.

MONOLITH & WILBEER One word... WEAK. So very WEAK! Sheepheads at best.

Thank God for CC. It will only expedite the removal of you ego plagued self-centered college educated humanoids from the planet. Couldn't happen any faster.

Off I go in my F-150, spewing tons more C02 into the air to find some Yellow Legged Mountain Frogs and then BBQ em for my dogs to enjoy. Then I will return to them lakes and plant Rainbow, German Brown, Brookies and CO Cut's back into all them lakes you G-Men Bio's killed off in order to play God and planted them YLMF's in.

Sucka's!

EDIT:

NORTON Get for gods sake get a real bike would ya. Norton Commado's are a dime a dozen. Get one of these and be somebody.

Irving-Vincent Datona1600
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
May 21, 2013 - 08:36pm PT
Knotts is gone, and "The Chief" is back right where knots left off

welcome back Chief yappy dog

Why do right wingers hate environmental protection, and saving cute little animals, like frogs
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