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dave729

Trad climber
Western America
May 21, 2013 - 06:12pm PT
norton - trying to show respect to you oldsters specially when age makes you susceptible to repeated senile outbursts.

The tiny temperature change they are trying to scare us with are ridiculous. As noted earlier air and water pollution is where the focus must be.

But note CO2 is not a pollutant.


mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 21, 2013 - 06:16pm PT
The other implication of Dr. Meierís statement is that a warmer, ice free Arctic occurred when CO2 levels were less than 290 ppm. This implies that there is no long term correlation between CO2 and Arctic temperatures.

No, this implies CO2 concentrations did not cause that ice free period in the Arctic. Remember all those other potential causes of the current warming you were so eager to accept in lieu of the WAY more obvious CO2 mechanism... the ones that CANNOT POSSIBLY explain the current observations, but nicely explain past observations?

If the Arctic was ice free at 290 ppm CO2 and we KNOW CO2 is a potent greenhouse gas, what effect do you think a concentration of 400 ppm is likely to have?

You seriously need some logic bud.


Dave, CO2 is ABSOLUTELY A POLLUTANT.

A pollutant is a substance or energy introduced into the environment that has undesired effects, or adversely affects the usefulness of a resource.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 21, 2013 - 06:17pm PT
I like your saying under your avatar Ron "trad climber soon to be a nipple sucking liberal"---have you seen the thread "chicks dig climbers"? I predict you won't have as much time to "play with your gun" once you have fully come over from the dark side (right wingnut land)...note most of those wingnut types have flipped out due to a lack of female affection (this condition affects right wingers more than the average man...and alot more than us liberal types)...it will give a hole new meaning to stuffing a bird's a$$
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 06:20pm PT
how can CO2 NOT be blamed for other periods of fluctuation but be blamed now then?



Credit: Ron Anderson
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 21, 2013 - 06:23pm PT
Ron have you not read the links regarding CO2 emissions I posted in the last 10 minutes??? Reading you know stringing letters together left to right!!

By the way is that cat real, stuffed, or ceramic???
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 06:25pm PT
mouintainlion,, youve proven at least a couple of times here on this forum in rather grand style and scale of what a BOOB you actually are. Youve been very quick to take on a persona of insult when you live in a glass house.
Now you come at me as if im starved for sex or something in some shytstain maneuver to insult, while nit adding a fuggin thing to the conversation.

Gee,, did ya call the EMBASSY for asylum back a few months ROFLMAO! really,, quit the crap. youve not the chops for me or anyone else around here.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 21, 2013 - 06:25pm PT
For fuksake dude. Nobody has ever said CO2 is the ONLY thing that causes climate change. Remember when you threw out all those other possibilities, the ones the scientific community has DEFINITIVELY shot down as the potential cause of the current observations? Why are you so inclined to ignore them when it comes to past climate change?

Simple answer: 290 ppm vs 400 ppm, 400ppm is much higher than 290 ppm.

Please stop being such an idiot. I was just starting to think you were an okay guy again.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 06:30pm PT
since WHEN have you thought me to be an ok guy i call BEEE_ESS! LMAO!


hey,, im just presenting questions. So if those " unkown" factors that caused other ice free periods are unkown in exact figures or even vague figures, how does one factor those in to existing models?


But the WORRY about the polar bear is/was a tool of global warming climate orgs that turns out KNOTTs to be the case..(in honor of the fallen avatar);-)
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 21, 2013 - 06:37pm PT
Sorry Ron---I was TRYING to be funny :)

However your still RONG about the science!!

Did you READ the emission studies?????
monolith

climber
SF bay area
May 21, 2013 - 06:43pm PT
No, Ron, the polar bear is suffering from climate change and will suffer more when the ice disappears. They will become a land based bear, hybridizing more with other land based bears. Eventually they will lose their pure white fur, because it is a disadvantage on land. We will then have lost the traditional polar bear.

Similarly, American Indians were driven from their native lands onto reservations and suffered tremendously. They survive today, but they have lost much of the traditional native culture that flourished hundreds of years ago.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 21, 2013 - 06:45pm PT
christ Ron, they are well know... which is why they can ABSOLUTELY 100% BE RULED OUT as possible explanations for the current observations. All the best possible explanations the Big Oil funded "scientists" could come up with have shot down.

Which leaves ONE possibility and it comes directly from using Big Oil's product. It is now at 400 ppm, a concentration higher than it has been in millions of years.

Honestly though, I was starting to think you were cooler than I originally thought. I guess I just hadn't read your bullshit for a while.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 06:46pm PT
dude,, again,, im not doubting we have an effect.. Let that sloooowly sink in, extrapolate from that ahead,, You can do this im sure.

knotts (rip)presented GREAT graphs showing all manner of theories in other directions. You seem to just brush by those like they werent there. I suppose i could repost those. For every study, its been my personal experience that there is an equal and opposite study. At least as long as i was involved in studies at one level or another.




simple terms : Polar bears? Bullsheet.

Spotted Owls,, more bullsheet.

as for global warming and the CAUSES and extrapolations could VERY well be mo bullsheet.

Bullsheet stacked so high it becomes a self feeding industry.. Much like BIGFOOT!







edit: Wes in those millions of years you mention there have been dramatic changes and there always WILL BE what we consider dramatic changes. THAT one thing is obvious about any look back in time as we know it to be. The models based on theory certainly arent beyond accuracy questions not knowing exaclty what the future holds. The ice builds in the antartic while it reduces some at the opposite pole. When did this last happen and why. It had nothing to do with man then im sure right? And no measurements are uniform, CO2 being far more prevelant over cities and such. How do they measure what amount of that is scrubbed naturally? Or can they?


Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 21, 2013 - 06:53pm PT
ok You got me there not higher

yes, you were flat wrong when you "assumed" without knowing that CO2 levels were HIGHER in the past

and that really is the issue, Ron

the fact that, honestly, you could save yourself and all of us a lot of time and words calling out your constant inaccurate and just downright wrong statements that you make

why not learn from all this, Ron?

instead of continually assuming that because you think something that it just must be true?

in fact, try the opposite, assume you are wrong first and that way you will post only what is factually true because you won't be posting that much!

saves on typing
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 06:57pm PT
Norton quit taking the cheap shots. Then rubbin the salt in like im a mini porker an the barbie !. I already admitted that, yet proved the point of the polar bear laughing at some of you. Greater fluctuations of CO2 and habitats being the points.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
May 21, 2013 - 06:59pm PT
Norton quit taking the cheap shots

Rise to your own mark?

DMT
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 21, 2013 - 07:00pm PT
Wes in those millions of years you mention there have been dramatic changes and there always WILL BE what we consider dramatic changes.

And yet there has NOT been 400 ppm of CO2 in the atmosphere, nor has there been a 40% increase in CO2 over a few decades.

It is UNFUKINPRECEDENTED. Think about it.



If you normally drink 10 beers over 5 hours at a campfire and do just fine, but then one night drink 14 in an hour, you gonna be fuked man. It really ain't that hard to understand.

400 ppm is significant and it is a direct result of our actions.

40% increase over a short period of time is significant and it is a direct result of our actions.

and all you gots is "eh, we don't know for sure... there are like changes and stuff... derrrrr."

Pathetic.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 21, 2013 - 07:03pm PT
Ron ,highest temps ever recorded last year ,glaciers and artic ice going away faster than ever recorded.
It is amazing,you should be demanding compensation from Exxon,the Kochs and every FRUITCAKE this side of Limbaugh.
What does it feel like to be a puppet?
When you decide to post credible facts ,some might take you a bit more seriously.
And we know you did not go to college.
It is obvious.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 07:09pm PT
wilbeer,, youve an idea or two there,, care to be my "agent" ?
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 21, 2013 - 07:13pm PT
Keep that sense of humor,it will do you well.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 21, 2013 - 07:15pm PT
Ron "Knotts posted GREAT graphs" ROTFLMAO!!!

please repost the GREAT graphs Ron!!!

I need to burn some calories and a good laugh is supposed to be good for stress help a brother out!!
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