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Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 27, 2013 - 05:50pm PT
But that pig still looks better than that Exxon cawk you right wing anti-everythings keep lodged up your a*#.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 27, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
If you THINK i like exxon any better than those windmills, boo-ooyyeee are U mistaken..


cross post from Couch.



couchmaster

climber
pdx

Jun 27, 2013 - 02:46pm PT
Here's todays rare bird story:

"Birdwatchers see rare swift killed by wind turbine"

WHAM



" Around 40 people were watching the White-throated Needletail, the world's fastest flying bird, on the Isles of Harris when the tragedy happened.

Sightings of the bird have only been recorded eight times in the UK in nearly 170 years, most recently in 1991, prompting around 80 ornithologists to visit the island in the hope of catching a glimpse.

David Campbell, from Surrey, told BBC Scotland the incident took place late on Wednesday afternoon. Speaking as he made his way home, he said: “We just watched the whole thing with dismay."

Josh Jones, of Bird Guides, a specialist website for ornithologists, said he had spoken to witnesses, who had seen the bird fly straight into one the turbine’s blades. "
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 27, 2013 - 05:55pm PT
So, what is your solution Ron? You DENY there is even a problem? Genius... if by genius one means moranic.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Jun 27, 2013 - 05:59pm PT
Ron you have identified a problem with wind power ie killing the birds...contrast that with the # of birds killed by the fossil fuel industry each year--which is more???

Fossil Fuel spills kill almost everything that is trapped in them and create a Superfund Site disaster area to boot.

Turbines killing birds may have a solution...what that solution is I don't know. Maybe it is a sound/smell that birds hear or smell that they don't like...

Point is we can look for a solution to the turbine problem whether it be longevity of the turbine or the killing of birds...

PLEASE don't say investors have to make a profit for a solution to be viable...Like I said before the poor and the wealthy share the world...they may have the guns but we have the numbers (jim morrison)...
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jun 27, 2013 - 06:00pm PT
Here is a solution, from McHale's link:

mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Jun 27, 2013 - 06:02pm PT
Thanks Mchale's Navy I didn't see your link to the "Bird safe wind turbine" still haven't read the link yet (loading slow on the computer)...

Point is all of the non-carbon emitting solutions to energy production have an advantage of being better for the environment!!!
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 27, 2013 - 06:03pm PT
Kind of sad that someone like Ron, who clearly knows about birds and could potentially offer insight into reducing the number of birds killed by turbines, is too busy being pissed off at science he doesn't understand to make a useful contribution to the world.

People who only see problems and never offer solutions are despicable.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jun 27, 2013 - 06:07pm PT
Necessity is the Mother of invention! I wonder if anyone has thought about some kind of light streamer rod that can be hung from turbine tips that can drag behind the tip, reaching almost to the next tip that create the illusion of enclose, so birds can see the path of the tips. They would just hang straight down when there is no rotation.

Wing tip lights could leave enough of a trail on the retina.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 27, 2013 - 06:13pm PT
Huh? Ive made many contributions to the world wes. And even the article about the new design posted seems a bit vague and actual results unknown . They CLAIM larger birds wont be killed. Smaller birds though? Ineresting to see down the road however~~

to me,, they ARE one of the worst visual blights to ever be put on a hill. I Hate the antennas that grace so many NV peaks, but tolerate them due to that being the only thing going here. Maybe its my "injun" side looking at it thinking,, what gawdawfull things we do to mother earth. Would they tolerate windmills in Yellowstone to power the park and surrounds?
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jun 27, 2013 - 06:19pm PT
CO2 is popular because it is invisible.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 27, 2013 - 06:22pm PT
Come on Ron! WTF... talk about eye sores!





And those are just 2 I happened to grow up with.

I'm sure NO birds were EVER harmed there.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 27, 2013 - 06:24pm PT
eye sores in Cities? impossible.. Im talking the hillzzz.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 27, 2013 - 06:25pm PT
Those ain't the cities. Nice ass umption though.

Here's another one I grew up with... not in a city.



Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 27, 2013 - 06:28pm PT
bet its NEAR one. Same same.

I cant tell the diff between Sacto/Stockton/etal..one big blurrrrrr..
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Jun 27, 2013 - 06:29pm PT
WHY??? I think the answer lies in WHO is in control of the commodity----BIG OIL!!!!

I've heard this tripe too many times.

Who controls the price of oil? The nationalized, state run exporting nations are sitting on most of the reserves. They try to control price as a cartel, with most of them being OPEC members. The big question now is do the Saudi's still have excess production capacity, meaning do they have extra oil to dump onto the market to force prices down?

You can add up every major oil company in the world, and their reserve base isn't a fly on the ass of Saudi Arabia.

A person can be ignorant, but if you want to understand oil markets, you need to spend a couple of weeks thumbing through the statistics and papers on the Energy Information Administration website. It is like the CIA of energy facts and numbers.

Most of you probably don't know this, but the United States was the number one producer of oil for decades. Our production peaked in the seventies, but the Saudi's flooded the market during the mid to late eighties and drove price down to nothing. That led to total bloodshed in the oil industry. Whole companies went down, and there were so many laid off employees that a job was impossible. So does Saudi Arabia still have that ability? At these prices everyone else is producing flat out, and drilling like crazy.

Natural gas prices went into the toilet. The shale gas plays discovered so much gas that they were victims of their own success. Most drilling these days is for liquids.

Back to the U.S. We had the second largest reserves on the planet other than Saudi Arabia, 190 billion bbls. Our problem is that we have already produced most of it.

Oil is still cheap. 3 bucks will power a big pickup truck for 15 miles at high speed. One gallon of the stuff is incredibly energy dense.

The way to evade this is to conserve. Changing habits and vehicles will save you money. Although we get a small fraction of our imports from the Middle East, that is where the future reserves are, and so much supply that they control price.

You should check into Goldman Sachs. Some of the investment banks are so big on oil futures that they hire their own tanker fleet. Natural gas is a fully domestic market and follows the supply and demand model quite well.

I don't want to hear any more blame Big Oil crap. Big Oil is dangling onto the winds of the American consumer, who by far is the most wasteful user of oil on the planet.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 27, 2013 - 06:31pm PT
Big Oil is dangling onto the winds of the American consumer, who by far is the most wasteful user of oil on the planet.

Dangling... with 6 figure average salaries and multimillion dollar bonuses.

You make it sound as if Big Oil is a passive part of the system, rather than actively lobbying AGAINST higher fuel efficiency standards, etc.

Always enjoy your insider scoop on the fossil fuels though.


Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jun 27, 2013 - 06:37pm PT
Dingus, every country the turbines have sprung up are seeing the same results.

Horsesh#t. That's simply untrue.

DMT
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Jun 27, 2013 - 06:39pm PT
The Chief posts all of these graphs that he digs up and parses to suit his argument.

At the same time he utterly discounts science over on the Politics, God, vs. Science thread.

Split personality or something.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Jun 27, 2013 - 06:40pm PT
Sorry Base but Big Oil, Big Auto etc have colluded us into being able to only use fuel they profit off of...but wich in fact should belong to us all equally...


Why are there no vehicles that can be driven off of ethanol here in the U.S. they are in other countries???

Could it be that here is where the profit lies???

Everyone could have a ethanol producing still in their backyard and burn a fuel much cleaner and more powerful than gasoline...why is this not possible??

YOU are a good person who happens to work in the petroleum business but the majority of the people in the business care about only one thing: PROFIT...you care about more than that.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 27, 2013 - 06:40pm PT
ok,, windmills turn "bird friendly " rotations in the Netherlands lmao!

chopchop choppity chop~~~ thud...
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