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command error

Trad climber
Colorado
Jun 26, 2013 - 08:20pm PT
Oh really? No. Most everyone with a brain knows GW is a way to get rich by deceit. The chief is correct in his outlook.

You kids have swallowed the propaganda and are just wrong and can't admit it.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jun 26, 2013 - 08:22pm PT
Ah, you your own dawg, G? I feel ya, I feel ya... I don't believe you though ;).

Realize that psycho ocd posting will out you.
command error

Trad climber
Colorado
Jun 26, 2013 - 08:33pm PT
Jebus H Bomz No but your name tags you as a nutbar.
Funny how you obsessive compulsive disorder types project. No matter.

Humans are not the cause of all climate ills.
Repeat until your brain is clear.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jun 26, 2013 - 08:38pm PT
That's my Gob given name.

Can I just repeat The Chief is command error instead?

It has more truth to it.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jun 26, 2013 - 08:39pm PT
Did someone say humans were the cause of all climate ills?


No, but paraphrasing is one of their even weaker points.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jun 26, 2013 - 09:32pm PT
You should admit your situation. There would be more dignity in it.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 26, 2013 - 09:32pm PT
You have a large dedicated following here Chief. I wouldnt be droppin no soap Cuz they are always on yer tail rotor lol!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 26, 2013 - 11:11pm PT
News Flash,, "BURNING MAN" has been cancelled this year as the CO2 and other pollutants are simply too much for the desert dry lake bed to absorb. Anything for CLIMATE Change!
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jun 26, 2013 - 11:47pm PT
Did you know that world oil use amounts to about 60 ships a day the size of the Exxon Valdez? Valdez is 1,000 feet long and 1.5 million barrels. That's 22,000 ships full per year going up into the air. That's a line of ships over 4,000 miles long. That's just oil. That's not natural gas, coal,.......

USA share of that is about 25%. We burn 15 Valdez ships worth every day. That's 3 states per Valdez each day. Park it and watch it burn. Makes Burning Man seem pretty tiny.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jun 26, 2013 - 11:53pm PT
I doubt you knew the scale of what's going on. You could say we are very good at burning oil! As individuals we can't see the scale of what we are doing.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jun 27, 2013 - 12:12am PT
The word is not 'match'. That could imply that we are not that far outside of what the natural world does. Natural sources don't come remotely close to what we do. We produce 130 times more CO2 than volcanoes do per year. This is all outside of the natural carbon cycle/balance.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Jun 27, 2013 - 12:13am PT
Oh Ed... Stop with the facts already! It's more fun to the The Chiefs game!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jun 27, 2013 - 12:15am PT
Chimpton...I don't believe that you were in the Navy or did youth counseling or ice climb or fish....Sorry Charley.....
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 27, 2013 - 12:35am PT
Coal is so yesterday Ed, except in china, India and the other developing countries.

Natural gas is the new game in town with growing reserves estimates currently at one hundred years. Conveniently it is located across the country and if not directly under the feet of the end point users then certainly damn close. We could decommission all the coal power plants and the entire commercial truck fleet tomorrow if it is embraced by the public and body politic. It's advantage is it is emits far less of the full spectrum of pollutants of crude petroleum refined products and vastly less than coal fired power plants. If only a fraction of the monies wasted on subsidizing the green schemes, climate change studies, subsidies for vastly inefficient biofuels, subsidies for petroleum, etc etc were instead directed towards job replacement in the coal mining, transport and electrical generation field all could be accomplished with a minimum of pain. You combine NG with the latest generation nuclear reactor technology and this country could end oil imports thereby avoiding numerous foreign wars neccessitated by energy needs. Alas, this will not happen because this country has lost it's collective mind.

Somebody mentioned the new improved accuracy of the climate models used im cmip5-below is a link to what i believe is a past climate reconstruction using one of these new fangled toys. See the results.

http://www.clim-past-discuss.net/9/3489/2013/cpd-9-3489-2013.pdf
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jun 27, 2013 - 01:11am PT
Coal is so yesterday Ed, except in china, India and the other developing countries.

If the USA quit using coal tomorrow, it would still be a huge factor in climate change with China and India alone. It's not quite yesterday yet. We all inhabit the same atmosphere. Saying coal is so yesterday is like talking about clean coal. Natural Gas is not going to save us. It's cleaner but still produces plenty of CO2.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jun 27, 2013 - 01:23am PT
Chimpton...Would you believe 40 MPH's on 395...? RJ
new world order2

climber
Jun 27, 2013 - 01:26am PT
Ed's solution is Agenda 21.

A future where we all move to megacities and live in 300 square foot apartments.

Where private cars are disallowed. Where eating meat is only permitted on your birthday.
Where we all live off carbon credits and calorie rations.

A future something like this.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRFsoRQYpFM
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jun 27, 2013 - 02:00am PT
It's mostly just information Chief - just the facts. If a person does not have the facts, or if an entire country does not have the facts, if the facts are hidden from most of the world, where does that put us? It doesn't make us any smarter than ants, maybe that is what the Intelligent Designer had in mind. Maybe some people would like to fool the Intelligent Designer rather than just going off the cliff.

New World Odor; Does agenda 21 say anything about overpopulation or do they need as many meaty slaves as possible in that system? Certainly, overpopulation will lead us to something like Agenda 21.
new world order2

climber
Jun 27, 2013 - 02:21am PT
Certainly, overpopulation will lead us to something like Agenda 21.

^^^^Exactly.

Agenda 21 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21

And this "overpopulation" myth is what the AGW folks will use to sell us the (ahem) agenda, that too many people are killing the planet.

That we must therefore establish death control.
AKA... voluntary (eventually mandatory) abortion, euthanasia, and sterilization.

We're being slow-killed with poison in our food, water, pharmaceutical drugs, and vaccines.

80% of Pre-Packaged Foods in America Are Banned in Other Countries
http://shine.yahoo.com/shine-food/80-pre-packaged-foods-america-banned-other-countries-135100604.html

Study: 70 Percent Of Americans On Prescription Drugs
http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2013/06/19/study-70-percent-of-americans-on-prescription-drugs-one-fifth-take-5-or-more/

Credit: new world order2

mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Jun 27, 2013 - 10:36am PT
CHIEF it has been apparant for at least 40 years that the BIG OIL, BIG AUTO and BIG ELECTRIC have suppressed alternative forms of energy.

They control the politicians who regulate our power supply (both parties).

The board of directors are made up of the same people on a consistent basis and act in collusion and concert.

They buy companies that find viable solutions, pay the former owners and employees to keep thier mouths shut, then kill and bury the company and the technology with it.

All of these forms of energy have been underfunded in terms of research and development: Solar, Geothermal, Wind, and Tidal.

One viable solution that could be used worldwide is solar power on people's homes. Providing the energy at the point of the end user. However Big Electric cannot profit from this type of deployment. Solar panels and technology exist to make it happen (even with the technology being suppressed and underfunded).

Yes there are drawbacks to all the above renewable energy sources but if they had been implemented in a large scale 40 years ago with a continued effort and commitment today we would have fossil fuel as an emergency backup instead of it still being the primary plan.

I would enjoy your thoughts on:

1) Why these technologies COULD be viable

2) What you think can be done about the powers that be suppressing the technology.

Your probably going out of town so I will have to repost this until you have time to answer.

I also welcome everyone else't thoughts about the questions above.

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