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abrams

Sport climber
Jul 26, 2013 - 02:52pm PT
They prove themselves fools when they point at 'weather' and shout
'climate catastrophe' and as thieves when they demand we pay them climate protection money.

"You don't want this climate brick accidentally flying through your window do you sir?"


Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 26, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
Good thing no respectable climate scientist has done either of those things.

You prove yourself an idiot every time you hit return.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 26, 2013 - 03:03pm PT
Tell me more Chaff. Enlighten me, oh wisest of all men.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 26, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
Ah we're back to Step 2.

Just trying to keep pace.

DMT
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 26, 2013 - 03:16pm PT
Nice rig DMT!
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 26, 2013 - 03:22pm PT
You only have gas tank DMT? I had 2 on mine, but it wasn't diesel... at 10 mpg I NEEDED 2. If it weren't for gas prices, I'd still be driving from Squamish to the Red River Gorge to Hueco to... Good times!
abrams

Sport climber
Jul 26, 2013 - 03:23pm PT
Anti-racketeering laws are perfect to stop climate profiteers.
Criminal sanctions and forfeiture provisions should be enough to halt the climate change syndicates.

Without their huge fleet of private jets how will they travel in comfort to the next Climate Change Conference to plan their conspiracies?
raymond phule

climber
Jul 26, 2013 - 04:16pm PT
Just cus you got the title of "Scientist" and have a Cert stating your a Ph.D, does not exclude you from being ignorant. Nor does not having one define you as ignorant.

True, but you and your friends really do a great job showing that you really are ignorant. That you also do not have any relevant formal education do not really matter.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 26, 2013 - 04:18pm PT
She IS a beauty. I love that rig. Its delivered such good times, the bonfire of the vanities!

DMT
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 26, 2013 - 06:06pm PT
The North Pole probably looks a bit different than you would expect right now. Because, at this very moment, it's actually a lake.

For the first time in recorded history the exact Arctic North Pole has melted into a lake.

photo not found
Missing photo ID#313001
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jul 26, 2013 - 06:17pm PT
I posted this earlier on the Birds thread -- from the NPEO webcam 2 on July 22. Guesses so far include Northern Gannet, Snow Goose, Kittiwake or Fulmar.

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 26, 2013 - 06:27pm PT
Chief,

what possible difference does it make whether or it the earth was warmer in the past or not?

The fact is that we live in the now, the present, and there is no disputing the truth that the TREND is warmer.

Doesn't matter if it is warmer now that 10K years ago or not. That is not relevant.

Hey, the earth was a giant ball of super heat 4 billion years ago, who gives a damn?

This is not a discussion, maybe it should be, of whether or not us present day humans should be doing anything about this definite RECENT warming trend we are in now.

But it IS happening, and it already IS having bad consequences, like the very sharp rise in world grain prices that the extreme heat and drought causes, just to mention ONE consequence.

We can argue whether or not we can or even should be doing anything to mitigate these effects.

I know where you personally stand on that, and I happen to agree with your core position.

But this thread is about Climate Change "skeptics", and their obvious denial of the very fact that our earth IS in a RECENT historically warming period, a fact that they have trouble dealing with.

People like Rick, who just keeps on calling everything a lie when he cannot refute it.





Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 26, 2013 - 06:31pm PT
Just cus you got the title of "Scientist" and have a Cert stating your a Ph.D, does not exclude you from being ignorant. Nor does not having one define you as ignorant.

Here's a free lesson: if you can replace the word with "you are" you should be using the contraction "you're" otherwise, use the possessive pronoun "your." Your welcome.

Failing at 2nd grade spelling and basic reasoning does in fact define you as ignorant.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 26, 2013 - 06:37pm PT
1. The climate is not warming.
2. Even if it is warming, insignificant, lowly, people are not causing it to accelerate.
3. Even if they are, there is nothing those insignificant pissants can do about it. The EGO of those people!!!!

Oh, and the foundation?

PEOPLE SUCK.

DMT
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jul 26, 2013 - 06:39pm PT
Yup. A nihilist toad.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 26, 2013 - 06:40pm PT
photo not found
Missing photo ID#312885
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 26, 2013 - 06:44pm PT
That sums it up nicely monolith.

Ah, the mentality of idiots who deny the science they simply don't want to accept, yet repeat ad nausea the few simple irrelevant facts they THINK support their stance.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Jul 26, 2013 - 06:48pm PT
Projection of self-loathing, or actual ASPD? I'm thinking the former. In any case, bone ignurnt.

Saw this study popping up all over the media today:

"Antarctic permafrost, which had been weathering global warming far better than areas around the North Pole, is starting to give way. Scientists have recorded some of it melting at rates that are nearly comparable to those in the Arctic.

Scientists used time-lapse photography and LiDAR to track the retreat of an Antarctic ice cliff over a little more than a decade. They reported Wednesday in the journal Scientific Reports that the cliff was “backwasting rapidly.” The permafrost that made up the cliff was found to be disappearing nearly 10 times more quickly than was the case during recent geological history. And the rate of melting is picking up pace. From the Los Angeles Times:

Cliff-face measurements of the buried ice in the four-mile-long Garwood Valley revealed melt rates that shifted from a creeping annual rate of about 40,000 cubic feet per year over six milleniums, to more than 402,000 cubic feet last year alone. … (That’s a leap from the capacity of about eight standard railroad boxcars to 77.)

The scientists also monitored the weather at the cliff and found that rising air temperatures were not to blame for the melt. Rather, they think it was caused by growing amounts of dark debris on the surface of the ice and snow that absorbed the sun’s rays."

From http://grist.org/news/antarcticas-permafrost-is-melting/

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 26, 2013 - 07:09pm PT
Norton - you seem to be able to state things concisely .... maybe you could describe Chuffs core position on this matter. I have my own ideas of what that may be and it isn't pretty. Maybe its better than I think?

Bruce,

The Chief's main contention is that any resources be they human or financial involvement would be better utilized to mitigate human suffering than to be "spent" on taking on such a long term dubiously successful project like Climate Change, so why bother?

He has said this, and to some large degree I agree

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jul 26, 2013 - 07:13pm PT
Is that a current picture of the north pole Norton or Chiloe? Let's give you guys a chance to come clean.

Ed, you are not only a potentially great sci-fi writer but also have a great sense of humor. The only problem is their has been a good deal of research that seems to validate the Charlson 1987 paper, but im sure an equal or greater amount of work refuting it.

Just taking a little break Bruce. Your questions deserve an honest and reasoned answer that i'll get to after work.
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