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k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - May 15, 2013 - 06:15pm PT
Ron, I almost hate to be on your tail regarding your tall tales, but the truth is, you have said nothing of the sort. Here or anywhere else.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 15, 2013 - 06:17pm PT
bullsheet. I specifically said that the only constant about our planet was it is ALWAYS changing.. And that it isnt that we have an affect but how that affect is measured over a VAST amount of time.. Yeperee i did. MMMKman?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 15, 2013 - 06:20pm PT
Ron -Excellent analogy between the forestry science and climate science. No one even tried to refute the fact of the bad science you presented.

Norton you were downright brotherly in your allen head response.

Bruce you seem completely reasonable today-musta got laid

BlahBlah sees the world for what it is

Base, like BlahBla stated upthread-nobody here, or in the scientific establishment, is denying that mankind has had an effect on this world, just how much.As far as i can tell the majority of scientists worldwide think the effect to be minimal compared to variations in natural forcing agents, particularly the undocumented range of the suns effects and its range of variability over longer cycles than the CAGW group are basing their modeling on.

Ron, to add to the still frozen lakes in southcentral Alaska is the "Nenana Ice Classic". This is a 97 year old event that takes bets (winner takes all) on the exact day,hour,minute when a tripod setup on the frozen Nenana River moves a prescribed distance signalling breakup.It had been described by Geophysicist Martin Jeffries, in the warming conditions of the 1990's, as a good proxie of Global warming. Well anyway, still no winner as the tripod has not moved. Tomorrow it will be the second latest ice out in history-still time for bets for those of you who care to wager.

The globe is in a cooling phase folks,within a decade it will be obvious to even the most eggheaded of the CAGW crowd and then they will once again blame man for climate change.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - May 15, 2013 - 06:21pm PT
Perhaps we can chalk it up to reading comprehension.

There are certainly _parts_ of what Base said that align with what you said, Ron. But the jist of what Base was eluding to is vastly different from your trite comment.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - May 15, 2013 - 06:25pm PT
Rick! is it really you?? I remember when we met, you were living in a tee-pee in Strawberry. 6-packs for pro, indeed, a great time.

But let me ask you a question: Do you really think that you can go toe-to-toe with Ed? I mean, his is a scientist and all, and actually can back up what he talks about, with science. I don't want to degrade your sense of style, but while you were in that tee-pee, Dr. H. was studying hard sciences, and doing really well at it I imagine (judging by where he's currently employed).

But carry on, it is amusing to see somebody swimming with the sharks.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 15, 2013 - 06:25pm PT
Rick Ive seen vids of the "Ice classic" LOL! My kinda contest!

And yes Norton had good suggestions for me.. But the damm hardwood they put in that gemsbok form must been Bristlecone cus even the allen heads stripped!

Kman,,, whatever..
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 15, 2013 - 06:26pm PT
Its all about you Rick,











Tell us more, fruitcake...


















Thanks to Locker.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
May 15, 2013 - 06:29pm PT
but my guess is that Canada will be prime real estate
Northern Canada fer sure.
It's mostly empty of two legged varmints.
But it needs to grow some trees.
And it has too many giant skeeters.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 15, 2013 - 06:30pm PT
Yes K-man, 6 packs for pro, the prehistoric version of the Norwegian, but no tee pee, i had a north face ve24.Anyway give me a name or a shout over email. Much has changed, i have three kids, all grown, all with science degrees including one in physics. No 6 packs for 28 years.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - May 15, 2013 - 06:34pm PT
No tee pee, really? Dang.

Good work on the kids, and on the sixer's. Seriously.


[And you wouldn't remember me, I was just a larvae swimming in pond scum back them. Heck, seems like not much changes sometimes...
:- Kelly]
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 15, 2013 - 06:40pm PT
Well Kelly, really man we are all pond scum, always were and will be in the wider scheme of things. Considering your era of youth, you qualify for my climbing team if you don"t mind 5.3d.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 15, 2013 - 06:53pm PT
i can just see a climbing guide in the not so distant future to the great basin,, with 147 5.3D routes!;-)
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 15, 2013 - 06:55pm PT
Yeah the pregeriatrics guide to desert adventure.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 15, 2013 - 07:01pm PT
The globe is in a cooling phase folks,within a decade it will be obvious to even the most eggheaded of the CAGW crowd and then they will once again blame man for climate change.

Rick, instead of issuing your own personal opinion over and over

why don't you take this issue head on?

as in: refute the science

point by point take on those eggheads and snobs and elitists, you know, like Ed and Base and others here

if you are going to declare victory and convince even one person here as you said, then you gotta get busy refuting the science

we all know you have a powerful intellect, Rick, lets see it in action!

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 15, 2013 - 07:17pm PT
Not going to go in blind like Custer, Norton. The battlefield must carefully evaluated, all intelligence gathered, the enemy probed.

Ed is no snob, he's a great guy and has been pointing the way.

This could take years
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 15, 2013 - 07:19pm PT
Excellent analogy between the forestry science and climate science. No one even tried to refute the fact of the bad science you presented.

What bad science? What do you mean by bad science? If you are referring to the spotted owl stuff that wasn't bad science at all. They were absolutely correct that clear cut logging old growth was and still is detrimental to its survival as a species. That science was good then and is still good now.


What is debatable was how that science was levered into policy. If there was a problem with the science it was that there was not enough science at that time to inform the best policy. It turns out that a far better indicator species to help determine forest practices would have been salmon and it may have allowed for a better possibility of continued logging which of course would have been beneficial to the people who depended on it.

But really thats all cart before the horse. The loggers real problem was allowing the large forestry corporations to grossly over harvest and wreck the place and that was well established before anyone ever even heard of a spotted Owl, Which again was policy that was underutilizing science (or could hardly give a shit).

Once again Rick you demonstrate that you hardly understand science at all and can hardly even comment on it. You should stick to criticizing policy, but as that should be fully informed by science you probably should shut up about that too.

Yup. Best just stick to watching hockey and hoisting beers with Sarah Palin down at the Wassilla bar and grill.

bloody owls fuked up everything
bloody owls fuked up everything
Credit: Bruce Kay


Spitzer

climber
May 16, 2013 - 08:59am PT
Suppose that overnight we somehow ceased emitting CO2. Would the planet still get warmer due to what we've already pumped into the atmosphere?
Spitzer

climber
May 16, 2013 - 09:16am PT
"100s of years", so you're saying the planet would continue to warm even if emissions ceased? That's what I thought, but a recent perspective in Science magazine by Matthews and Solomon says that this is a common misunderstanding. It's worth reading.

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/340/6131/438
Spitzer

climber
May 16, 2013 - 09:19am PT
That's why I phrased it as a question back to you. I wasn't sure you had actually answered my question. Had you?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 16, 2013 - 09:50am PT
where does all the natural scrubbing fit into this?
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