There are a lot of new and really interesting things going on in paleoclimate research now. This includes the big ones, the anoxic oceanic events. The big ones can be traced to equally dated rocks of that time located at widely seperated spots on Earth.
There is also a cool twist on using leaf stomata to measure CO2 partial presures at the moment the leaf was deposited. Since many well preserved leaf fossils are common, you can count stomata density increase or decrease along with fall and rise of CO2 concentrations.
There are some others. Go to wiki and look up Oxygen Isotope ratios.
I would go on, but Chief makes these threads f*#king unbearable for me. He says that he lives his day to the fullest, just the way he wants to, but I didn't know that that involved getting up and posting on this thread in the a.m. and still hard at it late at night.
I get zoned in on the taco myself sometimes.
You can go over on the science/religion/ politics thread and read all about what Chief thinks about scientists.
Until he leaves, I don't even like reading this thread.
Stupid question time....if CO2 is dangerous to the environment, does this mean we will be taxed for breathing? And if so, will athletes be taxed more than your average Walmart shopper? CO2 is CO2 isn't it, or are there different kinds?
If we lower CO2 counts, will it affect plant life?
If sea levels are rising, why would Al Gore buy a home next to the ocean?
If the sun is responsible for global warming, can we not just spray some chemicals into the atmosphere (aka geo-engineering) to cool things down a bit?
Wouldn't it be great if we could live in some sort of "planned-opolis", where for starters, meat eating would be unheard of, and only emergency vehicles would be allowed on the roads? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRFsoRQYpFM
Wouldn't it be even gr8-er if we could clone the perfect human being, while at the same time cull off the undesirables with mass abortion, and euthanasia clinics?! We could even add chemicals to the water to sterilize us.....you know....because well, there's just too many useless eaters who aren't being productive. After all, aren't we humans responsible for climate change?
We ought to make fluoride in water mandatory for all nations. Heck, Hitler added it to water in the concentration camps. Hmmm.....he musta been reeeally concerned about the campers teeth!
There are some others. Go to wiki and look up Oxygen Isotope ratios.
Go to Wiki and look up human. Then look up planet earth.
Human: 50 something thousand years.
Earth: 4.54 Billion years.
The arrogance of human conceived science stating it knows all and then can now control it, will NEVER compare to the infinite power of the universe.
Base, Kay, DrF, Khanmon etal...
You can go over on the science/religion/ politics thread and read all about what Chief thinks about scientists.
Until he leaves, I don't even like reading this thread.
Gee Base, your hypocrisy stands tall. It's just fine to be on that thread and stand shoulder to shoulder with those that demonize those that believe in a God of sorts. But when someone comes and states the same regarding your program, it's not nice.
Got it.
BTW: Tobin was deep into his spirituality and lived tooth and nail by it. The same spirituality via a sincere belief in his Jesus Christ being Lord and Savior that you all condemn as childs play and total fantasy in that exact same thread.
Just another perfect example how you cherry pick it all out to fit your program.
BASE104: There are a lot of new and really interesting things going on in paleoclimate research now.
IFO enjoy reading your posts. My dad is a geologist but more of the igneous/metamorphic persuasion, so your sedimentary/petro perspective is fresh to me. I hang out with ice researchers too, but their "paleo" tends to be more recent than what you write about. Hope you'll keep posting when inspired.
Until he leaves, I don't even like reading this thread.
Chief understands none of the science but has more free time and anger than anyone else here. Why he needs so much attention I don't know.
BTW: Tobin was deep into his spirituality and lived tooth and nail by it. The same spirituality via a sincere belief in his Jesus Christ being Lord and Savior that you all condemn as childs play and total fantasy in that exact same thread.
Ye gads Chief you are a muck raker aren't you? I never knew Tobin but I do know and respect plenty of christians, based on thier moral bearing. You are an authoritarian idiot. You think that if I dare to criticize an institution that that equates with hate or demonization of the faith? Do you also think that criticism of Military authority is also indicative of hate of the military?
Go to Wiki and look up human. Then look up planet earth.
Human: 50 something thousand years.
Earth: 4.54 Billion years.
The arrogance of human conceived science stating it knows all and then can now control it, will NEVER compare to the infinite power of the universe.
What a strange post. You only know how old humans and the earth are because of science. Without science you would believe that the human race and earth are less than 10,000 years old.
Also, you only think of the universe as infinite because of the modern science of astronomy.
What a strange post. You only know how old humans and the earth are because of science. Without science you would believe that the human race and earth are less than 10,000 years old.
Also, you only think of the universe as infinite because of the modern science of astronomy.
And you think you know everything about climate, right?
Your argument is self-defeating. It illustrates that we live in a natural world, revolving around a heat source that is unstable.
Sh#t happens. Got little to do with burning dead dinosaurs. I know you guys know this, why you continually lie is baffling!
Without science you would believe that the human race and earth are less than 10,000 years old.
That's not true at all.
The age of the Universe is given precisely in the Vedas.
The knowledge how to split the atom is also there.
It is true, because I wasn't talking to you, Werner, and you're the only one here foolish enough to be a Hare Krishna. I wish you would stop asking me for money at the airport.
Thanking NWO for posting up one of his sub-clinical rants is by itself about as self-defining (if not self-diagnosing) an act as there is and definitely a step down even from sourcing Vedic fairy tales.
The illustrations at left show the raw data for temperature and solar activity at the top, then that data with a 11 year running average to filter out the normal solar activity period. The middle graph suggests a correlation between solar activity and temperature, even though the peaks are offset. But when the last few years of data are included, the curves diverge and severely weaken the case for the driving of temperature by this measure of solar activity. These illustrations were prepared by Chris Merchant, School of GeoSciences, University of Edinburgh from the original data.
Without science you would believe that the human race and earth are less than 10,000 years old.
Oh how your arrogance continues.
I don't care how old the earth may be nor how long it will last.
I do know that material man has walked this planet for peanuts compared to the million of other spirits that have come and gone long before he showed up.
All I have is now, this very moment. That is all that is important.
Until you and the rest of the sceince men who wish to control it all understand this, you will continue your futile arrongance search for self conceived knowledge that is only material in basis.
I don't think too many people realize just how many dinosaurs we've burned - millions of years worth - in a very short period - it aint so natural. People don't understand the degree to which we have leveraged the planet. The Dinosaur spirits are now with us! Invisible dinosaurs are with us - blowing our doors down!
Dark cavemen? Did they come before, after, or co-exist with some lighter type? Did they have better SPF in their genes?
Oh Rock Who Talks (what a wonderful thing!), the lungs of the children of earth suffer their agony as their progress chokes the sh#t out of them. Too right!
The illustrations at left show the raw data for temperature and solar activity at the top, then that data with a 11 year running average to filter out the normal solar activity period. The middle graph suggests a correlation between solar activity and temperature, even though the peaks are offset. But when the last few years of data are included, the curves diverge and severely weaken the case for the driving of temperature by this measure of solar activity. These illustrations were prepared by Chris Merchant, School of GeoSciences, University of Edinburgh from the original data.
Let us know!