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crunch

Social climber
CO
May 30, 2013 - 03:45pm PT
Oldest and still living life form: Cyanobacteria

No way, Skeptimistic.









Credit: crunch

Not while Fred still stalks the Earth.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 30, 2013 - 03:49pm PT
+1^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^;-)



Yeah Skept, ignoring the actual example provided in lieu of semantics angles,, i SHUD be used to that.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 30, 2013 - 05:35pm PT
http://climate.nasa.gov/state_of_flux#Icemelt_Colorado.jpg

Did somebody win yet?

Credit: wilbeer


Nasa a day keeps the deniers away. Big oil is in the pockets of every gov.agency,yet they just cant get to those greedy scientists.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 30, 2013 - 05:48pm PT
EVERYBODY should check out the climate change and the wild places you love thread!! First hand accounts, stories, and pics---obviously not funded by big oil!!
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
May 30, 2013 - 08:27pm PT
Not while Fred still stalks the Earth.

Meh, he's just a babe in arms compared to my withered countenance....
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 30, 2013 - 08:32pm PT
Meh, he's just a babe in arms compared to my withered countenance....

this thread is no good without photos.....
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 30, 2013 - 09:35pm PT
Upthread i struggled to ask a stupid science question. The phrasing should have been what are the effects of various variable values in the solar spectrum on atmospheric chemistry. Anyway, i don't wonder why nobody answered since the question was asked incorrectly. I found a new study addressing this and it is fascinating-scientists thinking outside of the CO2 religion box.see below.Of course, i don't understand a lot of the language so pointing out my ignorance is appreciated.The svensmark Aarhus paper i already saw. CLOUD experiment is expected to generate a new paper interpreting results in July, i believe.

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1210/1210.6844.pdf
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
May 30, 2013 - 09:45pm PT
There are those that claim our solar system is a second generation system partially formed from the leftovers of a previous supernova


Pretty germane, Rick, the consequences of a supernova are very relevant accounting in the age of the Earth. The 4.54 0.05 billion year age of the planet is an estimate based on the measurement of radioactive isotopes in meteorites in the earths crust.

The accretion disk from which the solar system (and Earth) formed contained radio-isotopes from a supernova explosion. Most geological samples from Earth are unable to give a direct date of the formation of Earth from the solar nebula because Earth has undergone differentiation and mixing into the core, mantle, and crust which skews the isotopic date.

Meteorites considered to represent the primitive material from which the accreting solar disk was formed.can be accurately dated from the origin of isopes within... and the stages in the development of the planet estimated from mathematical models.

The timeframe for accretion and cooling of the planet's crust is much shorter than what I supposed.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 30, 2013 - 09:45pm PT
Read it anyway-it needs review and criticism.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 30, 2013 - 09:48pm PT
you seem pretty up on it Rick

how about you giving your review and criticism, and support, if warranted in your opinion?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 30, 2013 - 09:59pm PT
As you have subtly alluded to Norton-i don't have the qualifications. However im just dumb enough to give it a slight stab. They seem to have manipulated observed data and incorporated into their own model enough to have accounted for the warming trend of the eighties,nineties, and the flatlining in temps deviating from steady CO2 increase of this decade. A better fit with reality?- i don't know, i have not the ability to verify their equations. Why dont you give it a go Norton?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 30, 2013 - 10:19pm PT
yeah rick, pretty sure you would pick out any parts that supported your own bias

I don't have a dog in this hunt, don't have a bias and not interested in converting anyone

I guess I will just throw my hat in with the 97% of the world's peer reviewed scientists who have produced study after study after study proving the earth is warming not only now, especially with all the heat records broken last summer, but also that the CO2 levels now are at the highest level in our recorded history and very likely due to human causes

that's good enough for me until or unless the best science climate people in the world change their opinion, but again I don't care or have an agenda personally
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 30, 2013 - 10:26pm PT
So the "paper" is saying hfcs have the depleted the ozone layer, which in turn created added solar radiance ,which in turn created tropospheric warming. But they theorize since hfc s ,are on the decline the earth will cool.Thats it in a nutshell.Do you really believe that?
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
May 30, 2013 - 10:52pm PT
^^^ Its a trap and a troll, don't respond!!!1111

Well, at least somebody knows what's going on here.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 30, 2013 - 11:14pm PT
It is all manipulation of data Bruce. Look it up, not all connotations of the word imply dishonesty. You Dr., look in the mirror-look at that look of fear in your face. It is an irrational imagination of an apocalyptic doom that a collective of modern culture seems to share.In your case, it leads you to thrash around in infantile attacks on all those you deem the cause.

I believe in the future Wilbeer, independent of humankinds puny efforts.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 30, 2013 - 11:19pm PT
It is all manipulation of data

ok, I'll bet out of curiosity

that is a pretty strong claim that the data is manipulated

and you state it as if is a fact and not just because if proves your agenda wrong

so prove it Rick, prove the data is manipulated, let's see your work .....

no bullsh!t trying to back out of your claim, prove your sh#t, prove it is manipulated
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
May 30, 2013 - 11:22pm PT
The trolls are ever more transparent.
Here is some background on the non-accepted theory of Lu on Cosmic rays and CFCs.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2011/07/lu-from-interesting-but-incorrect-to-just-wrong/
http://www.skepticalscience.com/CFCs-global-warming.htm
The first thing you should do if you are going to call yourself a "skeptic" is read the FAQs and find that your latest denial of established science was already rebutted years ago.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php
Lu's latest paper draft is mostly just a rehash of his previous work, claiming that a "corrected observed global temperature" proves that all warming from 1860 to 1960 was due to solar forcing, and warming since then is due to CFCs. It is based on dubious correlations and assumptions such as claiming that non-CFC gases such as CO2 have "saturated" in potential effect, so more CO2 will have no greenhouse effect.

When you do a google search on Lu CFC climate change you will get a bunch of links to crap from places like the Heartland Institute and a bunch of fake science blogs. The only thing interesting you will learn is how many fake science websites exist, and how quickly they latch onto nonsense.
CFC forcings on climate change are already built in to all the reviewed models. Why is it that "skeptics" seem to think that the more they post, the more they "win." I guess that's true if obstructionism is winning.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 30, 2013 - 11:26pm PT
I believe in the future as well.

It would be too much to believe that just a reduction in carbon output and more efficient FF use would create a flat line in CC.[like it is believed to]
Naw, hell no,we would be tampering then .
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 30, 2013 - 11:27pm PT
Look up the definition of the word manipulation Norton.

Splater thankyou for sharing Lu's history and connections according to the CO2 doom lobby.

Are you talking in advanced mathematical language or something Ed. Can't figure out what point you are trying to make.

mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 30, 2013 - 11:53pm PT
THE CHIEF DOESN'T POST BECAUSE HE HAS BEEN EXPOSED!!! HE IS A HYPOCRIT...HE USES SOLAR POWER, HE RAISED A DAUGHTER SO ELITE IN SCIENTIFIC DISCIPLINES SHE BECAME A CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST, HE TRUSTS AND USES PRODUCTS DEVELOPED, ENGINEERED, AND TESTED BY SCIENTISTS DAILY. HE LIVES IN A BACKWOODS COMMUNE, HE RECYCLES, ETC ETC

A close look at his post history reveals that he began posting right after the soap opera "days of our lives" went off the air...I feel for you Chief...my grandfather also a Navy man built himself a woodshop to stay busy but he was to manly to get hooked on soap operas I guess supertopo is acceptable to keep you entertained...


Can you imagine waking up DAILY looking in the mirror and then bashing elite scientists when you raised one, bashing city dwelling latte drinking yuppies when you raised one, bashing tree hugging backwoods dwelling communists when you are one, THERE IS NO WAY THIS THREAD IS ANYTHING BUT ENTERTAINMENT IN BETWEEN CLEANING BROOKIES FOR DINNER!!!
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