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Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jun 26, 2013 - 02:12pm PT
People usually pay for a good education.

Ed shows a lot of patience entertaining these "Daddy, why...?" type of questions. Instead of thanks for his expertise, he gets scorn from people who will happily cite fringe articles from fringe sources as uncontested fact. Just because it backs their ideology.

What's the worst-case-scenario if GCC is debunked in the end anyway? We develop independence from foreign oil under false pretense? We have less smoggy skies?

What's the worst-case-scenario the other way? Oh yeah, we get caught with our pants down about our ankles.

What's that saying about prevention and cure?

Hmmm... what's the choice again? Listen to a fire breathing former yard duty, or the person with actual qualifications to think through scientific debate? Tough call....
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 26, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
Base is providing for our essential energy needs as a good scientist in his field should. When the backasswards society that is America circa 2013 wakes up from their lala utopian world of bucolic spinning windmills and the fantasy of solar power generation it will discover the abundant cheap energy supplies right under the feet of the industrial heartland where it is most needed. He may be conflicted, but he is performing an invaluable public service in my book.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 26, 2013 - 02:38pm PT
Yeah jeebs,, your contributions being so critical here.

Lets see,, whats the big deal of this CC (formerly GW) angle?

They said the same thing over the spotted owl which ruined family's lives all over the west and for absolute false propaganda which is still alive and well today causing our forests to resemble telephone pole stands. Its ok as you numbly walk through the infested declining timber on your way to the crag without so much as a notice of it. Youll probably just break some dried limbs to start your campfire.

But dont think for a minute its no big deal whichever way it goes. Someone somewhere will be paying. Our natl forests now foot the bill for bullcheet issues of the past. And those issues backed solidly by "science" turned out as fake as a three dolla bill.





edit: Ed really? Uhhh errrrr never mind then ..
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jun 26, 2013 - 02:51pm PT
Yes, all science is wrong. Please turn in your computer now so we don't have to see your 'deep thoughts' broadcast globally with the help of... science!

I'm sure scientists have nothing to do with discovering mismanagement of forests. And I'm ALWAYS starting a fire on my way to the crag. WTF? You are as bad as The Chief with your uninformed stereotyping!

Besides not shitting the bed with terrible ideas, I contribute a sense of healthy mockery for the ignorant side. I'm like the crazy but lovable Murdock of this A Team, flying in with a zinger.

It does get pretty circular in here, I may leave the copter flying to other hands when it gets too Groundhogs Day in here. Continue on with your "critical contributions" though, I'm sure somebody is paying you for all that "gold" you've unearthed from the back of the stall.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 26, 2013 - 03:26pm PT
Heres my point Ed.. Natural occurrence cant be predicted really. So we can fairly accurately measure OUR output of greenhouse gasses and Co2. You make the models reflecting this. BUT HOW do you interpret what is taking place naturally at the same time we have been adding man made pollutants?. And IF those followed models, then the fact the earth isnt warming right now while CO2 remains in an upward trend isnt reflected in those models. Nor is what ever natural causes are taking place at the very same time. The models have to be built on some constant no?



you dont have to answer any of that. Consider it rhetorical to the word.

I know not having a PHD means i should use less oxygen..my bad..
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jun 26, 2013 - 05:34pm PT
Neither requires a ginormous IQ. It requires a maturity that matches your age

Oh, good, because judging by the average ST age, I really am kicking around in the sandbox still! Nyah nyah!
new world order2

climber
Jun 26, 2013 - 05:42pm PT
^^^Blah, blah, blah. What a blowhard. EDIT: Pointing at Ed H.

You think a guy who maintains weapons of mass destruction, actually gives a flying f*#k about mankind?

Hola Ed! Reckon if we can get mankind to breathe less CO2, then the environment will stand a chance?

I say....tax athletes, for breathing so hard!
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jun 26, 2013 - 05:49pm PT
I'll accept "blowhard" but maintaining weapons of mass destruction???!!!! What are you talking about? The "Bomz" in my "name"???? Are you simple or what???!!!!
new world order2

climber
Jun 26, 2013 - 05:51pm PT
I speak of Ed.
kev

climber
A pile of dirt.
Jun 26, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
You think a guy who maintains weapons of mass destruction, actually gives a flying f*#k about mankind?

I'm quite sure that none of us know specifically what Ed does for a living. Additionally what you've written is illogical gibberish but let's play along for a moment...

If your supposition (he maintains weapons) is true and if that implies that he doesn't care about mankind (which doesn't logically follow) THEN YOU SHOULD REALLY WORRY IF HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING.

Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jun 26, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
You pointed at ME, sucka!!!

OH, well, I guess I'll deflate my pressure cuff now.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jun 26, 2013 - 06:21pm PT
I know a little bit about what Ed does for a living. He doesn't play that card here but it would turn a stack of these stereotypes upside down.

What continues to amaze me on this thread is how many posters feel confident in making loud, aggressive declarations based on complete ignorance. I don't know how they get away with that in daily life, maybe the people around them won't call it. I couldn't get away with it for ten minutes even if I wanted to.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jun 26, 2013 - 06:50pm PT
What continues to amaze me on this thread is how many posters feel confident in making loud, aggressive declarations based on complete ignorance. I don't know how they get away with that in daily life, maybe the people around them won't call it.

I suspect at least in one case the people around them gave up a long time ago and consider the gesture completely pointless.

DMT
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 26, 2013 - 06:51pm PT
The history of stands has been examined through cross sections of trees and core samplings.. They survived many fires over their life spans. It has been estimated that the great basin used to have fires approx every ten years that would burn through stands, cleaning the fuel loads and treating the soils.

What about past stand replacing, high intensity fires... how are those recorded?

The fire recurrence interval is typically on the order of 10's of years. I think in Tahoe it is about 50 years (using the confounding terminology in which a "50 year recurrence interval" technically means there is a 1 in 50 chance of a fire of any intensity occurring each year). The only "signal" available with any decent temporal resolution (as far as I know) is from tree rings. Problem is, NO tree ring information is available for stand replacing, high intensity fires... and certainly no information on fuel loads.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 26, 2013 - 07:08pm PT
How can you predict with any accuracy what natural forces shall effect CO2 and other gasses in the future.

We KNOW humans have increased atmospheric CO2 by 40%.

We KNOW carbon sinks (oceans, biosphere) are NOT taking up enough CO2 to keep up with human emissions.

We KNOW that CO2 is a strong greenhouse gas, the effects of which can be demonstrated by anyone with an elementary school education.

We KNOW temperature has been increasing with increasing CO2, as expected.

We DON'T KNOW of any other mechanism that would cause the observed warming.


Why is accurately predicting the future a requirement? Do we have to accurately predict the number of cases and types of cancer before we regulate carcinogens?
command error

Trad climber
Colorado
Jun 26, 2013 - 07:54pm PT
Dr Cris(co?) - you are full of falsities. What torture technique did they use to brainwash you? Did it hurt much?

Don't thank me for helping you but hurry up and go get reeducated. It is the first step to being saved from these ugly conspiracy theories about GW that are seem to be haunting so many.

Study hard and good luck purging.



Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jun 26, 2013 - 07:57pm PT
I reckon somebody on this thread has two accounts.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jun 26, 2013 - 07:59pm PT
Its the new order of things, lol.

DMT
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Jun 26, 2013 - 08:09pm PT
Hey The Chief, cool new avatar!

Pussy.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jun 26, 2013 - 08:16pm PT
Yeah, that was my feeling too Brandon. But I'm not paid to feeeeeellll!!!!
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