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May 24, 2013 - 05:47pm PT

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 24, 2013 - 05:55pm PT
McCfly, i built the 1800 sqft house im in right now for under 60 dollars a sqft. I am a 35 year carpenter,i only subcontracted out the electrical and excavation.Doing all the work myself[i took a 5 months off to do it].

We[my x] and myself mortgaged 84k.I financed the solar,12k final cost.
The house will sell for 150k.

The new house will be site specific ,for solar,with a walkout basement for more usable area,and ease of geo thermal install.I look to get the sqft price under 50 a sqft.It is doable.I have a print being drawn as i write.I will keep you posted.Terence

Mc,there are alot of those bungalow/cottage style homes near me in the finger lakes,they are sweet in a 3 season way.

McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
May 24, 2013 - 06:56pm PT
Do i make my point?

I don't think so Rick. I think Ed is just a nice guy and is being polite to you. There is no reason to crush or assassinate anyone. That desire seems to come from you. You are projecting again. Look up the psychology of that. You want an easy debate that ends with you as the winner. It's as simple as that. Since you can't have that, you want to crush out of frustration, cause it's all you have. People on the AGW side of things realize it's just a matter of time before the world has to get it's sh#t need to crush. Nice job trying to cut Ed's balls off though.

Trad climber
May 24, 2013 - 07:19pm PT
Chief thanks for the quote below:

"As far as your question, my kids live no where near me. They are city dwellers. But if they did, they would most assuredly be part of the local Vol Fire Dept. as most of the 28 families that reside in my secluded community are active members of. You see, as a community, we work together to take care of one another. Lots of planning and training for just that type of scenario you ask about. All due to the fact that we have accepted that wild fires are part of the local ecosystem. They have happened many times in the past and we most certainly know they will happen again. Thus we do our best to prepare for the worst. But we go on with our daily lives. Not in fear of what "may" happen."


1)We are part of a global "community"

2)We have accepted the fact the climate is changing

3)We are planning, preparing and training for the worst

4)We are going on with our daily lives AND CLIMBING

I want to know what would your community do to someone who didn't believe that wild fires were a problem and played with matches, fire works, had bonfires because they thought you were wrong???
The Chief

Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 24, 2013 - 07:22pm PT
McCfly, i built the 1800 sqft house im in right now for under 60 dollars a sqft

It is obvious that you BEER have NEVER been to any of the locations I posted. God you people just do not get it. KAY cries Morality. Obviously he too has never ventured to any of those cultures. Obviously. Get real people. Especially you BEER. It aint gonna happen for 75% of this planet. Most of them are just now getting how to filter their water and learn how not to shet where they draw that water from.

Talk about idiots. Not those folks. Nope. You Utopiaism seeking unrealistic college educated pop pop people.

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 24, 2013 - 07:27pm PT
Just where are you assuming ive never been and what i dont know you 5foot four inch squid.

What i was talking about was with McCfly. Building a house,here in the usa ,just what your buddy Dick does and millions of others.
I give more than you would believe to the less lucky of this world.
Me and my crew have framed 26 habitat for humanity houses in the past.FOR FREE,NO WRITE OFFS.
What have you done even close ?

Thats good you have been places to gain your perspective.Just curious whose dime did you do that on? Meanwhile in the real world ,people like us, were making a living to pay for it.

Trad climber
May 24, 2013 - 07:42pm PT

those people your refer to have been here for thousands of years...lived just fine most of the time without WESTERN CIVILIZATION.

I want to know about my post a few minutes ago and how it is different from your secluded community of supposed "overachievers"

May 24, 2013 - 07:47pm PT
It still amazes and depresses me to see some of the idiots here reflexively reject education and learning. It explains why that fascist ditz from wasilla is so popular.
the Fet

May 24, 2013 - 07:48pm PT
I like the arguing with loonies. It dumbs down the science to a level that I can understand.

Of course you'll never convince the denialists. You can tell when someone builds a wall of misinformation around themselves. They debate through constant projection, slippery slopes, debating the most unreasonable positions on the other side, etc. But it's entertaining to witness.

On another note: I'm lucky my place was built with SIP construction. Super well insulated. We rarely run any HVAC. Solar doesn't make sense for us because our bills are too low.

What people like the Chief don't get is you don't have to eat raw food and walk everywhere to reduce climate change. Just do what is reasonable and you are doing your part no matter how much of a problem it ends up being.

Trad climber
May 24, 2013 - 07:58pm PT
Where can people in 3rd world countries get loans?

From people like me: I gave 6 people the capital to start buying quantities of fish to sell at the local market. 4 people ended up with a successful business selling fish. One used the money for an operation and medication after lying to me about why she wanted the money. One gambled the money away and disappeared. All in all it was a net win.

I pumped all my own water this past year from a deep well, didn't have a hot shower all year.

Grew part of my own food.

Walked almost everywhere but I already did that in California

Took public transportation for distances over 5 miles (to go climbing).

Solar ovens can be used to cook food (check it out on google).

Doing nothing is not an option CHIEF!!

Social climber
May 24, 2013 - 08:02pm PT
Hell! the next thing Chief will argue against or say the lead on the ships he was on over the many years has no bearing on health issues or fuel from these ships has no bearing on fish we eat.

As for the water we drink he will agree as well it is filtered and 100% pure, no toxic wastes from the skies above since it is filtered through 10,000 ft. high mountains and then through a filtering system at home.

AS for Solar Hey I give the guy A+ Take some classes through NFPA find out how 50% of the installers get it wrong, plus buy your panels from China for half the price plus they give a longer warranty than the US which are mostly Chinese anyway.

The Pres. made a mistake by charging duty 3x tariff on the ones shipped from there.

But order your own and have them shipped. It is just the large Companies that get the axe. They are EU products and China assembles them, plus now they are making their own and are just as good.

But they are outdated just like here in the US; there are new films and tints that work 40% more efficient and sustainable.

Hot water and electricity.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 24, 2013 - 08:04pm PT
ya all eat more heavy metal in yur SUSHI...The tuna and other fish they were telling you of in those bay area sushi joints was actually blackfish from lake (mercury) Lahaton....;-D

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
May 24, 2013 - 08:16pm PT
Absestos was actually the big problem on Naval vessels - don't know if it still is. The walls of both boats I was on were lined with it.

Ice climber
the ghost
May 24, 2013 - 08:17pm PT
It still amazes and depresses me to see some of the idiots here reflexively reject education and learning.
Duh ... what do you expect from idiots?

An idiot values his opinion on a topic he has no first hand experience with.
So do other idiots.
The Chief

Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 24, 2013 - 08:18pm PT
You spoiled life long college loan educated Amerikans just do not get it. You never will. Living in your little secluded cappuccino latte I-Phone utopias with absolutely no clue as to what goes on outside your gated communities. Ha. Not a clue.

Trad climber
May 24, 2013 - 08:27pm PT
now our putting down people who used loans to get an education Chief??

Didn't you say you used loans to purchase solar panels??

What's the difference??

No different than us trying to save the world from (climate change +idiots) and you saving your community from wildfires.

You can't answer questions that are rhetorical can you..."obviously your not a golfer"--the dude

And didn't you say your kids are some of the same spoiled latte drinking urban dwellers who don't know sh#t and haven't been anywhere??? Oh not my kid he's an angel---probably your response to any criticism of your children (spoiled brats)

Social climber
May 24, 2013 - 08:30pm PT
"Absestos was actually the big problem on Naval vessels"

True as well. Plus agent-orange is an issue with quit a number of sailors as well. Probably drank the stuff.

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 24, 2013 - 08:52pm PT
ED,I have to admit ,i do not know how you could put up with these guys.
Im giving you full credit,man.
With poise you have demonstrated, you must be a hell of a climber as well.
Respect, Terence.

just southwest of the center of the universe
May 24, 2013 - 08:55pm PT
This is the start of thechiefs fourth year of ranting on this thread from spring through autumn--why he doesn't spew here during winter is curious and open to speculation.

From his hundreds of posts per year to this topic many themes have been noted--anti-intellectual/higher education, which is somehow connected to his disdain for military officers; his habit of quoting something and then going off on a seemingly unrelated rant/argument; his rabid hostile self-satisfied tone; his therapist encourages his participation here so this could be some kind of ptsd therapy for him; his illogicality has been compared to this:

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
May 24, 2013 - 09:23pm PT
Rong...I suppose that everest lobster came from lahotan to...?
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