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Gym climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 24, 2013 - 10:18pm PT
The House of Climate Science Cards are a crumbling.

Wait for the next IPCC report to come out around Sept., and you won't be singing that song, The Chief.

But then again, you'll toss out the whole lot from real climate scientists because what do they know, right?

Good thing the Koch brothers are funding some real research, everybody else is just in it for the money.

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 24, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
Guys, the Chief knows all this

he is just having fun jerking your chains

he agrees with all the findings, he just doesn't agree that humans can or should be doing anything about it, especially given that any resources be better put to use to immediately mitigate human misery

he is trolling for his own entertainment, he has said so


Mountain climber
Jul 25, 2013 - 12:24am PT
The Chief - study up, dude!

edit - The Chief (down arrow) - I knew you'd appreciate this :) you do have a sense of humour!

btw. Brutus represented for the E Bay !!! EBMUD, baby!

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jul 25, 2013 - 12:29am PT
Kunlan..Chief smokes his own home grown...?

Mountain climber
Jul 25, 2013 - 12:40am PT
Bruce, don't waste your time with this guy. Not worth it.

Sorry you didn't make it to the Squam festival on the weekend.

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jul 25, 2013 - 12:45am PT
Ed says, "but maybe I missed something"
Yes apparently you have missed reams of science papers by astrophysicists offering mechanisms with possible effects far beyond the measly 0.1 TSI variance accounted for in the farsical IPCC models. To begin with the 0.1 variance comes from satellite observation during the most pronounced solar maximum in 8000 years which just happened to coincide with the 77-98 run up in global temps. Their is some indication, from interpretation by serious astrophysicists, that their was as much as a 0.4 difference in TSI from the depths of the little ice age to the late twentieth century.You take this level of variance over decades and it adds up. Second the UV spectrum varies by up to 6-8 % during the typical cycle and energetic flares aimed earthward can easily double this value. Ozone in the stratosphere intercept this radiation but not without some of the energy being transferred down into the troposphere affecting atmospheric circulation. Other solar mechanisms of climate change the IPCC GCM's ignore are very pronounced variations in the energy and velocity of the solar wind and magnetic flux and its affects in increased/reduced radiation at the poles. Not to mention the increase/reductions of the solar magnetic field and the rate of earthward cosmic ray bombardment and subsequent rates of cloud nucleation resulting in albedo changes in the 2% range. The Sun is the primary driver of climate change on planet Earth. For the GCM's to not explore all its effects and range of variation is a crime but the only way they could attribute CAGW and the mythical molecule CO2 properties and production as primarily human caused. And this doesn't even begin to go into the oceanic currents and oscillations, volcanisms, windblown particulates, galactic dust variability in our slow revolution around the galactic center, etc. etc.

Bruce, if you can't refrain from trash talking your vile line of shet perhaps it is time for a breather for you. You have been treated respectfully regardless of your hardline-return the favor.

Jul 25, 2013 - 01:11am PT
^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^


Mountain climber
Jul 25, 2013 - 02:22am PT
Ed wrote:
You are correct in your statement that the sun has the largest effect on the climate, though... it's variations are not sufficient to explain the climate changes we are observing.

And, AFAIK, they aren't sufficient to explain the RATE of changes we are observing.

Jul 25, 2013 - 03:43am PT
This thing has been going on for like 3 years - does the audience ever get to vote on this show?

Sample questions:

Do you believe in global warming?
Did any of the information presented change your mind?
Most awesome insult hurled?
Performer of the year?

[I'll tip my hand, Ed gets my vote there. He can take complicated scientific computation and explain it to the everyman. And I can't understand that either. But he's just so lovable! Isn't he?]

You guys are so smart - so when are you gonna monetize this sucker? Like a cage-match at Facelift with a couple bookies in the crowd? Jer-ry! Jer-ry! I can see it now. If you're down with global warming, hey, you might need a carbon credit to offset all this hot air.

Y'all are just having fun. Nothing wrong with that. Carry on.

Jul 25, 2013 - 09:53am PT
Right on Bruce.

That's why my usual response to willfully ignorant, Chief Running Mouth is the humping puking dogs. That's about all he deserves.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 25, 2013 - 10:10am PT
The 1800s would be shocked to hear this as those are the years of the very worst wild fires ever recorded. Then the early 1900s would also be terribly butt hurt to hear the millions upon millions of acres that burned dont rate today..1910 was a HELL of a fire year, just ask IDAHO. Which nearly burnt 100%!

So if you want SUPER FIRES,, youll have too look BACK even before the industrial revolution.

Damn but do you argue in circles, lol.


Gym climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 25, 2013 - 10:39am PT
Yeah. According to the way ED wants you to read it.

The thing is, The Chief, nobody has been able to refute "the way ED wants you to read it."

But please, go ahead and try to show us where Ed's analysis is wrong.

This is what Ed does, he shows us where you are wrong. Now see if you can do that with what Ed writes.

We'll be waiting ...
Jebus H Bomz

Peavine Basecamp
Jul 25, 2013 - 10:43am PT
Bruce, don't waste your time with this guy. Not worth it.

True that, he's a serial east side masturbator. Best let the retarded progeny whither on the spanky blanky.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jul 25, 2013 - 12:04pm PT
Ed, i've got to hand it to you. You know, you would make one hell of a sci-fi writer, perhaps of the caliber of Arthur C. Clarke. This fiction you perpetuate here is outstanding, the way you take disparate information from multitudes of sources, analyze, twist and contort to weave into advancement of this CAGW narrative is monumental. Galactic cosmic rays is a small effect. I read the CLOUD article-it did attribute a pronounced cloud nuclei effect to GCR, it just didn't attribute the gathering or forming of this nucleation effect into clouds as a result. But is not a proliferation of cloud nuclei an aerosol capable of deflecting solar radiation from earths surface? Contrary to what you claim their has been significant study of this effect by Svensmark and Christiansen. Talk of GCR alone is a diversion, i mentioned a half dozen solar effects, GCR being just a small contributory. The biggest effect is variation in TSI over periods of decades and how that energy is stored in the oceans and distributed by oceanic currents and mixed in oscillations, then released into regions of the globe or absorbed into the deep oceans. Of equal or greater effect is the parts of the solar spectrum, magnetic flux, and variations of solar wind ignored by IRCC in favor of the bogus TSI index. Once again their is significant study going on this field also- Shapiro, Abdussmatov, Shaviv, Lu, Ushokin etc. etc. The truth is slowly coming out.

Jul 25, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
No wonder you love that ignorant ditz from wasilla.

Rick, people like you are the problem.

Ignorant, arrogant loudmouths who think they know everything.

Stoopid fool.

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Jul 25, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
It is believable that you Dick and your 3% are the only ones barking up the the" solar effects "tree.

And then you insist we are on our last leg.

You and yours are great Comedy.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jul 25, 2013 - 01:01pm PT
Dirtbag, i assume you are a natural born woman, but maybe i'm wrong, maybe you are a S.F. muni employee who took advantage of the "transformation" medical benefit required of their insurers. At any rate, i liked your doggie cartoon and i assumed you are the front dog- what do they call those- oh yeah bitch. Don't try to think dear, get new batteries for your vibrator and turn on your MSNBC for your marching orders.

Jul 25, 2013 - 01:18pm PT
Maybe you should stfu about science and let the experts do their jobs.

You are both arrogant and ignorant. Again, you are the problem fooktard.

Jul 25, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
And psst...hate to break it to you sport, but you're not that smart.

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Jul 25, 2013 - 02:55pm PT
More C02 emits outta her mouth than her ass

Unlike the idiotic science-blind ignoramuses here whose heads are shoulder deep.

(Methane, not CO2 is the predominant gas from the south end of the digestive tract...)
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