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Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 21, 2013 - 01:04pm PT
I give up
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 21, 2013 - 01:09pm PT
Rong I still want to know HOW you prove your stuffed animals aren't well painted ceramics???

Also you have stated many times on this thread that the climate is changing you just don't believe we have much of an impact. What does have an impact in your mind??? The sun? Volcanoes? Please provide data if possible on how much greenhouse gas is released by volcanoes each year and tell us how it compares with the greenhouse gases released by humans burning Fossil Fuels...as soon as your finished gathering the data I could use some life like deer, owl, duck ceramics to go with a few dwarves I already have in my landscaping.

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 21, 2013 - 01:09pm PT
So once biased patterns appear, is it not prudent to examine the rest with a certain amount of scrutiny?

I don't know... once you see a totally fake looking stuffed animal, is it prudent for someone who doesn't know the first thing about taxidermy to criticize your work? Or is it just stupid.


I just want you to tell me where it was. I certainly won't take your word for how well the repair worked. You seem to remember quite a bit about it. Surely you can remember what road it was on. Hell, I remember the location of every rain gauge I ever installed.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
I guess you two "yutes" need a reminder of something basic in the make up of a person.

If you expect to draw flys,, honey is a good bait. Turpentine isnt..






or ,, If you EXPECT actual responses,, a certain level of respect and decency is required.




As per your critiques of my work,, i concour 1000%. Ive NEVER been satisfied with the look and more than likely will never be. that after 42 years doing it. So in that vien your critiques are as valid as a world show judges.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 21, 2013 - 01:32pm PT
If you EXPECT actual responses,, a certain level of respect and decency is required.

ah, yes, that is exactly what deniers bring to the discussion of climate change.

"You are wrong. I don't know enough to tell you why decades of research by thousands of highly trained experts are wrong, nor do I have the desire or ability to learn, I just know you are wrong. Polar bears."

Yes, respect and decency.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
you sure didnt expect the answer i gave you on your critiques of my work,, now did ya LMAO! Dont think for a second i didnt know the angle you trolled for. ;-)


and again i must remind you there is no argument that climates change. JUST the amount of human impact therein.
Psilocyborg

climber
May 21, 2013 - 01:47pm PT
the warning given in Oklahoma was offered only 10s of minutes from the event.

Not exactly true. It was predicted days in advance that tornado producing storms were coming. The tornado itself started forming 10-15 minutes before it hit the ground.

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 21, 2013 - 01:51pm PT
Ron said:

and again i must remind you there is no argument that climates change. JUST the amount of human impact therein.

and on that I think that all of us agree!

and all of us agree that the climate IS getting warmer, maybe not in your backyard, but certainly globally, and with bad consequences

and all of us agree that because of the present global warming that the great ice caps in the arctic are indeed melting, getting smaller, and sea levels are rising

so what's the disagreement then?
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
May 21, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
and so im theorizing that your purpose here Elcono is simply to inject nonsense at a random pace?

that's my job!
Bharata

Mountain climber
Pune
May 21, 2013 - 01:58pm PT
Maybe our esteemed climate-control-demigods will answer this rudeness?

Can Tornadoes Be Prevented By Stealing Taxpayer Money To Fund
Green Energy Scams?

with this long list of the Presidents Taxpayer-Backed Green Energy Failures
which yield a negative answer to that question but maybe they can refute?

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/05/21/can-tornadoes-be-prevented-by-stealing-taxpayer-money-to-fund-green-energy-scams/



Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 01:58pm PT
You say BAD consequences Norton. However if fuana species are an indicator as previoulsy thought, then the population increase of Polar bears is a good thing no? And whatever natural causes of flucuation of CO2 levels in the past are still here today no? And those are all but impossible to predict no?

I think it would be far more dire of levels were suddenly falling dont you?




edit: Is this where i mention a million or so of our tax dollars was just given to science to study,,,,DUCK penises and the implications on society?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 21, 2013 - 02:07pm PT
you sure didnt expect the answer i gave you on your critiques of my work

And I don't believe it either.

No doubt climate changes... and the major causes have been identified. The ONLY REASONABLE cause of the current changes in climate is the addition of anthropogenic CO2 to the atmosphere, which has been shown very clearly. Sure, the specifics of feed backs require further study... the Earth's climate is far more complicated than stuffing dead things. Sure, how we as a society/species approach the issue is up for debate. But to deny anthropogenic CO2 is directly affecting our global climate is asinine.

There is NO OTHER alternative hypothesis that hasn't been blown out of the water. NONE. ZERO. ZIP. Anthropogenic CO2 remains a SOLID explanation, despite ALL the OTHER alternative hypothesis that Big Oil could BUY.

Do you deny that increasing the CO2 concentration by 20% would have an effect on the Earth's energy balance... which drives climate? Or do you lack the ability/desire to learn that very simple, reproducible, controlled experiments show that it most certainly does?



And whatever natural causes of flucuation of CO2 levels in the past are still here today no?

Yes, and they are TINY in comparison to anthropogenic emissions of CO2. And they have a distinct isotopic signature. And it is ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that the increase in atmospheric CO2 is anthropogenic.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/its-not-us-advanced.htm
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
May 21, 2013 - 02:10pm PT

edit: Is this where i mention a million or so of our tax dollars was just given to science to study,,,,DUCK penises and the implications on society?

Yeah but that's only a fraction of a penny per American--what's the harm in that?
I didn't know that "scientists" had picked up something like personal injury lawyers' "per diem" arguments (I'd like you award my client just $1 for each minute of pain she'll suffer . . .)
Bharata

Mountain climber
Pune
May 21, 2013 - 02:20pm PT
mechrist - your straight-man jokes are quite good. thank you for good laugh.

They also used to know with reasonable certainty that witches
caused climate change.

http://grist.org/list/did-climate-change-cause-the-salem-witch-trials/

Climatic Change and Witch-Hunting: The Impact of the Little Ice Age
on Mentalities
http://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2F978-94-015-9259-8_13.pdf







Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
certainly a 20% difference either way would affect us. but THAT is also up to debate because nature is an UNKOWN factor. We only know there has been a SMALL increase today. There are many charts of prediction all differing.
Is BIG OIL behind a lot of resistance, more than likely, just like medicine is against cesium chloride for cancer cures. DOLLARS period. On that i agree.
However the amount of anomalies in and of themselves make me think twice about the effect of a small increase in CO2. The polar bears are diggin it.
Meanwhile the antartic grows. Those are rather large anomalies all contradictory of BAD effects from this small amount of CO2 increase.



Let me use a forestry practice for example. It is stems per acre, not SIZE of stems per acre that will do the most "natural scrubbing" of CO2.
Private acreage in many Timber companies are managed in this exact way to produce optimum amounts of board feet coupled with speed in growth. Yet they are labeled bad in more ways than ever deserved from contradictory science and studies. Even the dang Spotted Owl prefers THEIR areas like those pesky clear cuts.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 21, 2013 - 02:22pm PT
You say BAD consequences Norton. However if fuana species are an indicator as previoulsy thought, then the population increase of Polar bears is a good thing no? And whatever natural causes of flucuation of CO2 levels in the past are still here today no? And those are all but impossible to predict no?

Hi Ron,

well personally I don't give a damn if polar bear populations are increasing or not

regardless, polar bears have nothing to do with the fact that our earth IS warming, and yes those bears are definitely having a harder time getting to seals to kill because the arctic ice IS decreasing

and Ron, YES you are correct in that whatever natural levels of CO2 are still here today but we sure DO know that the CO2 levels are increasing MORE than the natural levels and we DO know that the stuff that humans put into the atmosphere has weakened the protective ozone which then allows more of the sun's rays and warmth into our atmosphere and that has been proven beyond scientific peer reviewed doubt, and NO that is not difficult to predict because yes we do have many decades of research to back up those facts

I think you know all this but are sometimes just trolling for fun
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 21, 2013 - 02:24pm PT
What a bunch of pansies you miserable Hotheads are. When my new friend Chief Knotts kicked your scrawny little asses using your own misinformation you had to run to daddy Mac begging his banishment to save you from the beating you deserve.

very, very weak as undersecretary Norton would say.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 21, 2013 - 02:24pm PT
certainly a 20% difference either way would affect us. but THAT is also up to debate because nature is an UNKOWN factor. We only know there has been a SMALL increase today.

Ron, you are 100% wrong. The MEASURED concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere has increased from ~280 ppm to 400 ppm. That is an increase of OVER 40%. THAT was MEASURED... no predicted... not up for debate. THOSE ARE THE FUKING OBSERVATIONS.

40% is NOT a small increase.

Meanwhile the antartic grows.

Ron, I'm trying man... really. The antarctic ice is "growing" at less than 1% per decade (if that), while the arctic ice is shrinking at over 4% per decade. Please pull your head out of your ass. I hate to see you get beat down over and over and over.

It is stems per acre, not SIZE of stems per acre that will do the most "natural scrubbing" of CO2.

Technically it is green biomass... stems per acre is a more easily measured proxy. Whatever.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 02:29pm PT
Norton the bears still get the same seals that swim the same ice lines, they are simply closer to eventual land mass,,, which at the current rate wouldnt be seen for a LOOOOOOONG time. BUT the polar bear issue WAS used as an indicator previously for global warming- a veritable poster child if you will, and that was a loud lie.

And excuse me for confusion but how dos the antartic grow ice of GLOBAL warming is occurring at such a frenzied level?

Ive heard theories of a "hole in the ozone" but if ozone reduction equals global warming, how does that equate?


edit: Wes i was referring to future predictions NOT the known.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 02:30pm PT
Rick,, someone got banned???
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