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Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 17, 2013 - 08:09pm PT
"my objections to the global warming propaganda are not so much over the technical facts, about which I do not know much,

god damn it!

refute the science of or STFU

why would anyone care what someone thinks who readily admits he does "not know much"

surely there is someone who can point by point refute the science of global warming?

The Chief was gonna do it, then he disappeared when challenged

Rick Summer we are still waiting on to do so......

come on guys!
Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 17, 2013 - 08:21pm PT
Dyson knows and has researched far more concerning this Climate Change issue than most. Fact.

The models continue to be proven totally bias based on the data that is presented. As Dyson states, climate modeling of any kind can not nor should it be trusted to forecast the future accurately.

Below is a perfect example of that.
rSin

Trad climber
calif
May 17, 2013 - 08:31pm PT
give it up norton
science isnt creating it own reality


rSin

Trad climber
calif
May 17, 2013 - 08:35pm PT
so it doesnt matter that the car
with the bomb on the front bumper
is locked in steering straight at a brick wall

unless you can tell us precisely what brick it will hit first
what the precise speed/torque ratio of every wheel at that moment is
witch passanger will be killed first, and
exactly what organs failure will do him in

you have no business saying a word about which way the car is being steered
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 17, 2013 - 08:38pm PT

REFUTE THIS:

97 percent of scientific studies agree on manmade global warming




A new study confirms there is strong scientific consensus that human activities are causing the planet to warm. 97 percent of scientific papers agree, the study finds.

This finding serves as a nice talking point for cocktail party conversations, but itís less clear it will have a meaningful effect on publicís level of concern about climate change.
The authors* of the study (Quantifying the consensus on anthropogenic global warming in the scientific literature), who painstakingly sifted through nearly 12,000 academic journal article to reach their conclusion, say they hope their results bridge the divide between publishing scientists who are convinced human activities are causing global warming and the segment of the public, who are not. This, they say, will motivate action on climate change.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2013/05/17/97-percent-of-scientific-studies-agree-on-manmade-global-warming-so-what-now/
rSin

Trad climber
calif
May 17, 2013 - 08:42pm PT
havnt you realized that the whole "human caused" argument is a trap?

it doesnt matter on f*#king bit if man "caused" it or not,
mans response would be the same either way if "man" was interested in preserving the society he had created

this reveals the fact

that the deniers of climate change are in fact the agents of the humans who DONT want to preserve the society man has attained

note theyre live on it like parisites all the while
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 17, 2013 - 08:45pm PT
Norton ,i have said that till i am blue in the face.
I have seen lots of rocks,never seen one that could listen.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 17, 2013 - 08:57pm PT
Credit: wilbeer
WBraun

climber
May 17, 2013 - 08:58pm PT
it doesnt matter on f*#king bit if man "caused" it or not,

If you don't have a good clue to the cause then you can't really fix things very well.

So it does matter if man causes or alters natural climate on the planet and to understand it.

It's a very important subject matter not be taken lightly.

Of course most of the world could care less until it becomes so bad that survival is threatened.

Then those types just start to panic and do even more stupid things.

And yes Politics, money, religion, disinformation and all kinds of other anomalies also start to creep in onto/into the problem due to human nature.

It's very good that good hearten people take good look at this very serious problem.





k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - May 17, 2013 - 09:00pm PT
Knotts, this is for you:

In the last decade, about 30% of the warming has occurred below 700 m, contributing significantly to an acceleration of the warming trend.


Although Chiloe originally put it in bold, and then later drew your attention to the quote, you still don't quite seem to understand the words "the warming has occurred below 700 m..."

Why you keep posting ocean surface temperatures is baffling. Can you please explain your purpose, especially in light of what Chiloe provided?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - May 17, 2013 - 09:02pm PT
I have seen lots of rocks,never seen one that could listen.

And you know this how?
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 17, 2013 - 09:11pm PT
good question.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 17, 2013 - 09:17pm PT
And you know this how?

that question is being hotly debated on the god and science thread

Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 17, 2013 - 09:20pm PT
The global temperature is not correlating with the rise in C02.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 17, 2013 - 09:24pm PT
sure look like there is a definite uptrend line from about 1975 on

290 to 340 is going up, not down or flat, eh?

you need an eye exam maybe?
Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 17, 2013 - 09:24pm PT
This is nothing new. High amounts of Atmospheric C02 that is. The current level comes no where near to what it has been in the past, many times.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 17, 2013 - 09:26pm PT
the only thing you are doing is making a fool of yourself

keep saying the earth is flat
Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 17, 2013 - 09:29pm PT
sure look like there is a definite uptrend line from about 1975 on

Certainly appears like it has stabilized around 2003 and is on the downward trend. The temps that is. 340 (.4 to .3 C actually) and dropping. Thus the "Negative" below. All the while the C02 is rising.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
May 17, 2013 - 10:17pm PT
climate modeling of any kind can not nor should it be trusted to forecast the future accurately.

This is a foolish statement. I don't care if God said it. It is false.

There is a confusion between weather and climate. Weather is very specific on what will happen in a certain place at a certain time. If the predictions are wrong, it is because of the great difficulty in modeling non-linear systems that rely on numerous mathematical variables. However, if you run those models for 100 years, overall trends emerge. For instance, the jet stream is responsible for most weather. The latitude of the polar and subtropical jet can be modeled very successfully over many years, simply because it has a statistical nature defined by physics.

Climate is an easier topic. I could easily say that the temperature at the summit of Mammoth Mountain will not exceed 100 degrees F in January of next year. If anyone wishes to bet the farm with me on that then by all means, approach me.

Models are great. They are terrific. Due to computer time, they are run on a certain grid mesh. I deal with the same thing in geology. If I have my computer run on a 1000 foot grid mesh size, it takes far less computer time than if I choose to run it on a 250 foot grid mesh.

This is one of the reasons that the ECMWF model is superior to the U.S. models at the moment.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 17, 2013 - 10:52pm PT
Probably a meteor doubter
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