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k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 5, 2013 - 04:36pm PT
Ron, I have to admit, your fire-fighting resume is impressive. And you seem to have boned up with classes too boot. It appears you're quite knowledgeable and rounded in this area.

But all that, and you still say that a 1 degree increase in temperature doesn't make a difference in the severity of wild fires?? Come on, my man, and have a beer. It's time to take solace in the fact that half the population possesses below-average intelligence.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 5, 2013 - 04:57pm PT
So you did the pre-course work portion of S-490?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 5, 2013 - 04:58pm PT
Ron: Nice!

Predicting Behavior and Size of Crown


So, does water content have an effect of the size of the fire?

According to the Yosemite Fire Chief, it does. And I believe her. I also believe it when they say the dry conditions have moved forward the fire season by two months.

Why? Because it's dry and Hot. We're in a drought, and the extra heat doesn't help us WRT fire danger.

But I figured you knew all this, according to your credentials and the class outline you posted above.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 5, 2013 - 05:15pm PT
I simply asked if you took S-590. I'm capable of finding out course details on my own. I'm waiting to find out when they actually started teaching that class... but my recollection is they didn't even start teaching S-490 until the early 1990's and S-590 in the early '00's. Were you still fighting fires/taking classes in the early 90's?

Funny how you taking "enough classes for an MS" decades ago but not actually getting an MS makes you an "expert", even though you don't know what you are talking about or don't know how to effectively communicate relevant information. But people who ACTUALLY HAVE an MS AND a PhD AND PUBLISHED their ACTUAL RESEARCH don't know what they are talking about.

Arrogance and ignorance... nauseating.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 5, 2013 - 05:47pm PT
You seem to think TITLES equal "knowledge"..

I'm not the one who brought up classes or degrees. I simply reiterated the OBVIOUS FACT that air temperature affects fire behavior. I even quantified the potential water loss (leading to lower fuel moisture) due to a 1.0F increase in temperature. You are the one who started ranting about all your classes and titles and sh#t... presumably because you didn't know what you were talking about and refuse to admit when you are wrong.

Other than the fact that I have earned my PhD, have I ever listed the classes I have taken? Or the titles I have held?

Nope, but YOU have... several times... always in lieu of relevant information and only after you have been proven wrong.

If you are into that whole "self-development" and "learning" thing, you might want to google "psychological projection." It is a defense mechanism in which one attributes their own undesirable attributes to someone else...
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 5, 2013 - 06:03pm PT
And "your" a willfully ignorant obstinate old man.

Once again, Ron adamantly claims something with unwavering authority based on his recollection from decades ago ("FIRES have NOT CHANGED") while the people who ACTUALLY DO THE RESEARCH (instead of stuffing animals) claim the opposite.

Damn, NOW who are we supposed to believe?

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/313/5789/940.short
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 5, 2013 - 07:40pm PT
We'll take your word for it Anderson. Where have you published (besides here of course)?

No IFs, MAYs or BUTs below:

Robust statistical associations between wildfire and hydroclimate in western forests indicate that increased wildfire activity over recent decades reflects sub-regional responses to changes in climate
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Jul 5, 2013 - 07:45pm PT
You seem to think TITLES equal "knowledge"

Yes, you're right. Just because someone spent 4 years poring over the current & past literature, designed experiments and came up with a novel finding in the field doesn't mean he knows anything related to that field.

So I take it you use witch doctors over credentialed medical doctors for your health care?

And you probably also think GW Bush is one of the great minds of the 20th century.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 5, 2013 - 08:11pm PT
Even here in NV, we have had a late cool spring and green up. Fires here are one day wonders yet.

"Right" again. If by "one day wonders" you mean one wonders how anyone could claim with presumed authority that they only lasted one day...

Carpenter 1 Fire, Start Date: July 1, 2013. Over 9,000 acres burned, ? contained.

Eight Mile Fire, Start Date: July 1, 2013. Over 5,500 acres burned, 25% contained as of July 5, 2013.

Crescent Dune Fire, Start Date: July 1, 2013. Over 36,000 acres burned, contained July 4, 2013.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 5, 2013 - 08:15pm PT
And sub-regions can warm much higher then .9. Funny how averages work.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Jul 6, 2013 - 03:11am PT
thanks Ron for all the years risking your life fighting fires...it isn't taken for granted from me and I mourn the loss of 19 men who were true HEROES known as HOTSHOTS because they were the best of the best!!!

I tried to join the fire crew in southern california a few years ago but missed the call because I stayed an extra day at JT to climb...got home and had a message to call on Sunday but didn't get the message until Monday night...to late they had already filled the position...

I don't discredit anyone's science on the issue but much like climbing I trust those who actually DO the activity (kind of like watching a climbing video interview on you tube recently--one of the guys interviewed was a competition climber who had NEVER climbed out of the gym--WTF does he know about climbing was my opinion (as well as the demeanor of the climber sitting next to him who honed his skills on real stone)...

fire technology has improved use your past knowledge to brush up and bring some relevant facts to the debate using science and past experience Ron...
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 6, 2013 - 11:49am PT
Bruce,, Ive been corresponding via email with several users who ARE or HAVE BEEN in the fire field and in TOP positions such as Incident Commanders. My take on the Yarnell fire was exactly the same as theirs

Ron, That's fantastic. I'd love to hear what the top folks in the fire field have said about the Yarnell fire, because I've been reading reports in the news and we all know how the MSM can screw a story.

BTW, did you ask them about the point we're debating? And that would be "Does an increase in the temperature make a difference in the wildfires we see? How about a 1 degree increase in overall temps?"

You see, because I have another news report here that says the higher temps do make a difference, while you seem to be claiming that that's hogwash.


link: Climate Change And Wildfires: Bigger, Fiercer Blazes Expected In West
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 7, 2013 - 01:44am PT
Mt lion the only diff between my times and now is that the 13 situations that "shout watch out" have been added to and are now 18 situations that "shout watch out". That is all..

Ron is right again... everything about wildfires was known decades ago... all the research and experience since then was entirely useless... they should just call Ron... all the other guys could do is come up with 5 more things for the crews to memorize.



The original claim:

But a a degree or so diff ISNT going to make or break ANYTHING in wildifires.

after being called out on his bullshit:

It doesnt take an Einstien to figure out increased temps lead to increased drying which leads to a LITTLE more fire.

Life is so much better when you can just admit you are wrong and move on, rather than desperately trying to defend your original misconception. I like it when I'm proven wrong... I get to learn something... that is what makes my life worth living.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jul 7, 2013 - 02:07pm PT
http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/morriss-green-jobs-myths.pdf

Here is an analysis of the assumptions/projections of the green agenda that many governments (including ours) are advancing on their citizens. Getting the masses to believe in CAGW theory is central to its acceptance.
Its a few years old, but just as relevant to our current times as when it was produced in 2009. Everyone will recognize the terminology used-it is constantly in our media and issues from the mouths of our leaders.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 7, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
what a fuking idiot. 100% irrelevant to climate science.
command error

Trad climber
Colorado
Jul 7, 2013 - 03:40pm PT
I think dr crist you are worried. Your gw god has been exposed as nothing but a hollow lie. Find a new one that does not involve ripping off so much money.

Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jul 7, 2013 - 06:10pm PT
Command error is one of those automated robo - posts generated by some lap top at the Heartless Institute.

Also, it's another "tactical" move by The Chump.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 7, 2013 - 10:46pm PT
I think dr crist you are worried.

The only thing that worries me is that we have to share this planet with willfully ignorant fukheads like you.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 15, 2013 - 10:56am PT
Ron, I'm curious to your thoughts on this article:

link: U.S. Wildfire Interactive Shows Rising Temperatures, Less Snowfall Are Leading To More Fires


Being so well versed in wildfires, is it still your impression that a rise in temps of 1 degree F doesn't affect the size and scope of wildfires?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jul 17, 2013 - 01:58am PT
We thankyou for your continuing contributions to the chicken little sky is falling propaganda Bruce. NGFYS
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