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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 25, 2013 - 02:01pm PT
Bullcheet wes..youve dissed my forestry experience , my wildlife experience, and every other thing INCLUDING my climbing. Youve dissed on everyone here and just about in any other thread you engage in.

Your like an angry little boy kicking the wall so that someone will look yer way. I LONG AGO stopped any rational discourse with you for that very reason. I type as if i were face to face. I guess thats my artist /imagination side- you obviously lack.

So you long ago decided whom you like/dislike on here for your own agenda/issues and it started way before this thread and our participation in it. Try again laddy...




Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jun 25, 2013 - 02:05pm PT
You seem to have misunderstood Ron.... my comment was about you lumping all ECO groups and people together into one group that can't understand basic concepts.

But by all means, attack the commenter. Al Gore me! Please!!!11111

Because that "Al Gore has a jet' routine is some stupid sh#t.

I'm not even an advocate for any particular legislation, lol.

DMT
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 25, 2013 - 02:08pm PT
I rarely understand you.. My bad...

However i dont think i said ALL any where in that.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Jun 25, 2013 - 02:12pm PT
fwiw I'm an alcoholic who quit and am in a cycle of relapse ....quit....relapse....quit.

I like to debate but in person...if I disagree in person and nothing can move us from our positions we can still be friends because you can see other areas you have common ground, things you like and respect them for, and because your friends can let you know your being a dick...

Online it is way to easy to be a dick, get away with it, and not do anything to improve anyone's quality of life...

This is just me doing a self assessment of things I want to change in my life...I'm not a mean guy in person so why be a mean guy online when someone has a different opinion...nothing productive occurs...in fact something destructive happens by impacting someone else and myself with negative waves...
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 25, 2013 - 02:13pm PT
youve dissed my forestry experience

No, I dissed you saying some guy had some idea and nobody would listen to him... but not being able to elaborate on the details. I dissed you for spouting off about stand density index vs. basal area because measuring basal area is one way of calculating SDI. I dissed your lack of understanding of the measurements you were using. I dissed your overzealous promotion of used tires for ecosystem restoration. Etc.

my wildlife experience

Bullsh#t, I asked about skinning a sqewrl and thanked you for your input. I asked about habitat for the owl in the old growth of Woodfords, and thanked you for your input. I dissed your claim that a fish finder is more reliable than electroshocker for determining ALL the species of fish in an area. Etc.

and every other thing INCLUDING my climbing.

Yes, I dis your past attempts at recreational activity... get over it.

I LONG AGO stopped any rational discourse with you for that very reason.

Based on the sh#t you post here, I suspect you haven't had a rational discourse in your whole life.

So you long ago decided whom you like/dislike on here for your own agenda/issues and it started way before this thread and our participation in it.

Not true. I'm still on the fence about you... ask Norton.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 25, 2013 - 02:15pm PT
mtnlion,,,im but a pawn in game of life.


Fed pawn

State pawn

self employed pawn

woman pawn


dog pawn

bird pawn

rock pawn


a pawn of many colours









edit: Wes,, i too have been asked about you. Was told you not like cyberwes in person. Therfore quit being phoney.

Im not a phoney. I give my opinion here most of the time knowing it will raise a few brows. Im am the very same in person as i am here. So if cyberwes got more lie IRLwes the maybe things would open up more .. just a maybe...
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Jun 25, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
I'm a pawn to Ron but I wish I was the horse because of all the unexpected moves they do and they are animals...I love chess

Even though my wife wins almost every time we play!
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Jun 25, 2013 - 02:46pm PT
Axial tilt changes gradually over 40,000+ years.


Begging your pardon Dr. Christensen...Earth's axial tilt doesn't change...being stable at 23.4 degrees to the ecliptic.

Perhaps you're alluding to earth's precession, sir...or the wobble in which its axis traces a circle every 26,000 years. (A change in Earth's axial tilt would lead to much more or less seasonal extremes in temperature)

Sorry, Wes...just helping you adjust to the prototypal nitpicking undergraduate who interupts your lectures with caviling minutiae...inessential to the discussion.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jun 25, 2013 - 02:52pm PT
I need to do it for me to be a happier person...just let go and let them be who they are...they are good people and I can be happier by just accepting that.

Wise words indeed.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jun 25, 2013 - 02:56pm PT
Daytime soaps for the retired.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 25, 2013 - 03:01pm PT
Hi Jennie!



‘Global warming’ – so why isn’t it warm?
Written by: Ellie May on June 21, 2013

Photo: Flickr, Stephen Bowler
The seemingly never-ending exam season has finished, and it’s time to breathe a sigh of relief and relax for the three long months of summer. After the hours of being locked away in the library and descending in to madness, we can finally step outside of our last exam with the blue skies beckoning. But, in the back of everyone’s mind is a fear of the notorious British summer striking once again. Too many times have we seen rain in July and had to bring back out our jackets in August. Is it just a harsh reality that we may never experience a proper summer here in the UK?
Global warming is one of the most important, and hotly debated, environmental issues around today. The phrase Global Warming is generally accepted to refer to climate change as a result of human activities, such as the burning of fossil fuels or deforestation. In establishing the cause and resulting effects of global warming, the science behind it must first be understood.
There are two streams of radiation to be considered – the radiation from the Sun that heats the Earth’s surface, and the heat radiated back to space from the Earth and its atmosphere. These streams of radiation should be balanced, but are not due to the greenhouse effect. This is due to the effect of greenhouse gases (gases such as CO2 released from burning fuels) absorbing the radiation emitted back from Earth. This prevents the heat from being released back in to space, thus warming up our atmosphere.
So, surely the heating up of our atmosphere suggests that the Earth will warm and we’ll finally get the hot summers we’ve been long awaiting? It’s possible, but not quite so simple. Projections and simulations predict a temperature rise of between 2°C-6°C. This may seem like a wide range and not a particularly high increase, but even this small rise in temperature will have huge implications. For example, the temperature difference between the middle of an ice age and the warmer periods in history is just 6°C.
Also, this temperature increase may not necessarily lead to warmer summers. The jet stream that travels across the Atlantic is a stream of wind and rain. This stream usually passes above the UK meaning that we still get to enjoy hot summers. However, very recently, this jet stream has lowered and now passes right through Britain, leaving the country with widespread rainfall and far colder temperatures. This is perhaps the explanation for the snow that fell in some of the country just last month. It has been suggested that global warming is the cause of the jet stream’s movement, with ice from the Arctic melting and moving south, pushing the jet stream down towards the UK.
However, it is not certain that the jet stream will remain in this position. If not, then Britain could once again experience summer, and perhaps summers better than ever before. The Climate Research Unit has predicted an average yearly temperature increase of up to 2°C and a decrease in rainfall during the summer months.
Does this mean we can finally make summer plans without the fear of bad weather? Possibly, but due to the uncertainties in the simulations, we cannot be entirely sure. Weather and climate are difficult to predict with weather being an almost chaotic system. Due to the jet streams surrounding Britain, the ice caps melting in the North and the average world temperature increase, it’s difficult to predict exactly what will happen in the UK. In addition, the suggestion that climate change is human-caused is frequently contested, and so whether or not the changing rate of greenhouse gas emissions is included in the models will have a huge effect on the predictions.
So, if it’s a hot summer you are desperate for, perhaps waiting for global warming is not the most reliable or astute of solutions. Nothing is guaranteed here in Britain, and the effects of climate change will have far more serious repercussions than just snow in May. Perhaps try and make your mark on preventing Britain’s bad weather and the worldwide disasters by decreasing your energy use. And if it’s a blistering hot summer you want, staying in England may not be the
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jun 25, 2013 - 03:01pm PT
Ron didn't you fight forest fires?

DMT
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 25, 2013 - 03:06pm PT
Begging your pardon Dr. Christensen...Earth's axial tilt doesn't change...being stable at 23.4 degrees to the ecliptic.

Pardon not granted, because you are wrong. :)

For the past 5 million years, Earth's obliquity has varied between 22° 02' 33" and 24° 30' 16", with a mean period of 41,040 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_tilt#Long_term

Axial tilt (obliquity) refers to the angle between the rotational axis of the planet and the planet's orbital plane. Procession is also important, but differenty.


Point is, Rick's grasping has failed him again.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 25, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
Dingus,, YES.


Ed,, Incorrect about wildfires NOW. We cant let them burn in most areas due to fuel loading over the years - which was caused by wildifre controls.

Fires now burn to hot due to those loads. They no longer burn like the natural "ten year" fires of the past. Logging IS the best technical answer at this juncture by far! That goes to concerns of CO2 to bio mass to soils to temps. Every one can be better aided by artificially treating those stands. Especially in drier climates where recoveries may never happen due to micro climate changes. And by logging you actually utilize a forest product and provide economy. Win/win.

Some wildfires , at some times of the year can be successful at regeneration's but its a small window annually. Due to temps and moisture.


edit: many words of the past were hated like: clear cuts, thinning, etc etc. None of them actually deserve the criticism. Sure there were a few over board situations used over and over again in the 80s to shut down mills. Most of those on private lands. But as a tool logging is the most sensible and viable approach we have left. Why should we support Japan setting in international waters milling our lumber on converted cargo ships and floating it back to us??
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jun 25, 2013 - 03:14pm PT
Did you drive a monster van to those fires?

DMT
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 25, 2013 - 03:17pm PT
An underburn near Spooner Summit got "out of control" and resulted in a pretty good distribution of moderate to low burn instensity, with only a few patches of high intensity. Can't miss it when driving out of the basin... check it out... it is interesting to compare to the stand replacing Angora and Gondola fires.

The work they have been doing lately is looking pretty good. Nice age distribution, good spacing, etc. Near Camp Richardson on 89 is a nice road side example. THAT is what our forests should look like... yet they get complaints from the public daily. More uneducated fools offering their OPINIONS despite the FACTS.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jun 25, 2013 - 03:19pm PT
Global warming’ – so why isn’t it warm?
Written by: Ellie May on June 21, 2013

Elie May? Clampett?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 25, 2013 - 03:21pm PT
welcome to my previous world Wes. Aint nuthin changed lol! People will NEVER see a clogged overstocked in trouble stand for what they are. NEVER.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 25, 2013 - 03:28pm PT
Yo Ron, if only we could devise a system of objective observations and statistical tests that could show thinned forests are safer and healthier. Actually, there are good people working on this... and it is VERY clear to anyone willing to learn. Problem is, much of the population THINKS they know what forests are supposed to look like and would rather stay willfully ignorant and stubborn in their OPINIONS than pull their heads out of their asses.

Reminds me of another topic...
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Jun 25, 2013 - 03:37pm PT
Pardon not granted, because you are wrong. :)


Yes, you're right in the connotation that the ecliptic( orbital plane), itself, varies 2.5 degrees over 40,000 years.

The axis of the planet remains oriented in the same direction with reference to the background stars and galaxies...
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