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Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 21, 2013 - 12:38pm PT
ok Ron

of course you for sure could come up with an example, should not have bothered to ask


but seriously, when faced with the choice of going with intelligence and education or not,
which way is the best bet, all things considered?

and a question, where did you go to college and what is your degree in, Ron?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 21, 2013 - 12:38pm PT
fuk





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Yes, fixing a drainage problem on a highway is comparable to global climate change. How long did that repair last Ron? Give me the location, I'd like to drive by sometime.







Remember kids, suicide is always an option.

Later!
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 21, 2013 - 12:41pm PT
BREAKING NEWS GUYS!!!!

I have found a few sources that have confirmed my suspicion that some of Ron's stuffed animals are actually well painted CERAMICS!!!

just kidding...but if I didn't say (i'm kidding) how would you prove I'm Rong Ron???

Pretty difficult to prove isn't it unless you want us watching video of you sticking your hand up a bird's a$$ for each stuffing you do...that IS the PROBLEM...it is hard to prove that BIG OIL, Multinational Corporations, and the SUPERWEALTHY are disseminating misinformation on the CAUSE and EFFECTS of climate change.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 21, 2013 - 12:43pm PT
This was CLEARLY a time when highly educated guys didnt have the COMMON knowledge of those on the ground.

Anybody in the construction business has similar experience. Fuking engineers are the bane of our existence jacking around in their ivory towers making life miserable for us.

Once again the significance of such an analogy has to to do with the WEIGHTING of the factors involved. In this case the differences in expertise (in regard to the task) between the blue collar nail pounders and the ivory tower nail pounders isn't actually that great.

The differences in ability between Rick and Ed ( in regard to the task) are off the charts.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 12:44pm PT
Norton,, i certainly dont suggest Education to be bad nor is Educated Opinion. I did NOT go to college. I DID have years worth of courses through the BLM, and USFS and even NDOT of which many were masters level accredited courses. I was sent to every 300 level course that was around back then.
ut i never claimed to be "SMART". Just "smart enough" to see forest for the trees.


edit: Bruce,, to the TAX payers that difference was rather LARGE!
El Cono

Boulder climber
Tierra Del Coņo
May 21, 2013 - 12:52pm PT
Ok, When i was working in NDOT

....and that's where all the smart guys are? The Nevada Department of Transportation? Well, I got you beat...

One time, when I was hanging out at Arby's.....
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 12:54pm PT
and so im theorizing that your purpose here Elcono is simply to inject nonsense at a random pace?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 21, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
edit: Bruce,, to the TAX payers that difference was rather LARGE!

Maybe you're joking around here but if not, you still don't get it. In your example, the "common" shmoe was actually demonstrating an expertise relative to the task, thus they rightly steered the outcome of lower cost with acceptable completion of the job.

In climate science, we don't stand a chance. It would be like the janitor steering the brain surgery and deciding that that blue thing must be a vein because we all learned that in school. It probably is a vein, but of what significance?
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
May 21, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
I once stayed at a Holiday Inn Express!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 21, 2013 - 12:58pm PT
to the TAX payers that difference was rather LARGE!

Ah, yes, $198,200 spread over 500,000 tax payers... that's damn near $0.4 each!!!

Still, I'm curious how long that patch job lasted. Where is it, I want to drive by and check it out for myself.
new world order2

climber
May 21, 2013 - 12:58pm PT
Ed H. ..... What are your thoughts on GMO food/Monsanto, and fluoride in drinking water, please?

And if you care to, your thoughts on geo-engineering?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
Ya went the wrong way in your comparisons Bruce.. But i do agree to a point with some of it.

The technical expertise of the scientists on both sides is far and above the average schmoe. On that there is no doubt.

BUT, that in no way negates the experience of those at the first ground level. Hunters trappers and Tribal folks told of growing populations of polar bears for years, only to be dismissed as they didnt fit the models being layed out at that time. THAT was obvious biased in that "science". So once biased patterns appear, is it not prudent to examine the rest with a certain amount of scrutiny?


Kinda like believing that our govt is for the people by the people nowdays.



edit: Wes,, i was on crew "7000". I think we had 268 roadway miles on that crew. Your a researcher,, so research. You CERTAINLY dont want to take the word of an uneducated billhilly dead fake animal stuffer as a base for your research,, that would be shytty science!
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 21, 2013 - 01:04pm PT
I give up
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 21, 2013 - 01:09pm PT
Rong I still want to know HOW you prove your stuffed animals aren't well painted ceramics???

Also you have stated many times on this thread that the climate is changing you just don't believe we have much of an impact. What does have an impact in your mind??? The sun? Volcanoes? Please provide data if possible on how much greenhouse gas is released by volcanoes each year and tell us how it compares with the greenhouse gases released by humans burning Fossil Fuels...as soon as your finished gathering the data I could use some life like deer, owl, duck ceramics to go with a few dwarves I already have in my landscaping.

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 21, 2013 - 01:09pm PT
So once biased patterns appear, is it not prudent to examine the rest with a certain amount of scrutiny?

I don't know... once you see a totally fake looking stuffed animal, is it prudent for someone who doesn't know the first thing about taxidermy to criticize your work? Or is it just stupid.


I just want you to tell me where it was. I certainly won't take your word for how well the repair worked. You seem to remember quite a bit about it. Surely you can remember what road it was on. Hell, I remember the location of every rain gauge I ever installed.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
I guess you two "yutes" need a reminder of something basic in the make up of a person.

If you expect to draw flys,, honey is a good bait. Turpentine isnt..






or ,, If you EXPECT actual responses,, a certain level of respect and decency is required.




As per your critiques of my work,, i concour 1000%. Ive NEVER been satisfied with the look and more than likely will never be. that after 42 years doing it. So in that vien your critiques are as valid as a world show judges.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 21, 2013 - 01:32pm PT
If you EXPECT actual responses,, a certain level of respect and decency is required.

ah, yes, that is exactly what deniers bring to the discussion of climate change.

"You are wrong. I don't know enough to tell you why decades of research by thousands of highly trained experts are wrong, nor do I have the desire or ability to learn, I just know you are wrong. Polar bears."

Yes, respect and decency.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
you sure didnt expect the answer i gave you on your critiques of my work,, now did ya LMAO! Dont think for a second i didnt know the angle you trolled for. ;-)


and again i must remind you there is no argument that climates change. JUST the amount of human impact therein.
Psilocyborg

climber
May 21, 2013 - 01:47pm PT
the warning given in Oklahoma was offered only 10s of minutes from the event.

Not exactly true. It was predicted days in advance that tornado producing storms were coming. The tornado itself started forming 10-15 minutes before it hit the ground.

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 21, 2013 - 01:51pm PT
Ron said:

and again i must remind you there is no argument that climates change. JUST the amount of human impact therein.

and on that I think that all of us agree!

and all of us agree that the climate IS getting warmer, maybe not in your backyard, but certainly globally, and with bad consequences

and all of us agree that because of the present global warming that the great ice caps in the arctic are indeed melting, getting smaller, and sea levels are rising

so what's the disagreement then?
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