Climate Change skeptics? [ot]

Search
Go

Discussion Topic

Return to Forum List
Post a Reply
Messages 6761 - 6780 of total 25079 in this topic << First  |  < Previous  |  Show All  |  Next >  |  Last >>
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
May 14, 2013 - 11:13am PT
You're almost certainly wrong about that.

When you look up Dunning-Kruger effect on Wikipedia, there's a picture of blahblah's smiling face. Or should be. So certain, based on so little knowledge.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 14, 2013 - 11:30am PT
The knucklehead who posts on this thread who seems to be fascinated by psychology of the "deniers" can weigh in why people think they're experiencing "global warming" first hand when they aren't.

Who - me?

Sure why not. I mean our 20 , 30 or 40 year anecdotal observations must have some value - no? It is a question of wether these short term climate trends have anything to do with a longer term trend. Also, wether our anecdotal observations, based on memory and possibly skewed by a variety of factors ranging from the amount of dope we smoke to the sort of religion that has been shoveled into our heads, have any accuracy.

Well I quit dope a fair ways back and never quite took up bible thumping and like most climbers and skiers have paid at least some attention to my environment. All I can say for sure is in about a half century the winters have gotten noticeably warmer ( confirmed by our friendly scientists with thier gizmo measuring things) and the glaciers have been shrinking (confirmed by... etc)

I think that qualifies as observations indicative of "climate", not weather. The interesting thing is is that these short term climate observations, completely unmeasured as they are, confirms not contradicts the greater volume of expert observation and theory, short term and long term.

Rick says he observes that his alaskan climate is actually colder, not just this winter but for the past ten years. This anecdotal observation actually contradicts the greater volume of expert observation and theory so you gotta wonder....

Does he smoke a load of weed or is he just plain batshit crazy?

Now, would you like me to weigh in on why I think your mother decided to call you Blah Blah?
abrams

Sport climber
May 14, 2013 - 11:35am PT
The public perception of GW has evolved from concern to now seeing silly egg head scientists grubbing for funding over false pretenses.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 14, 2013 - 11:52am PT
For Rick and all the other deniers...

This past year I have had the pleasure of meeting 2 water engineers (my description) one in Balboa Island Ca (next to Newport Beach). He and I had a conversation about the Sea Wall surrounding the properties on the island that had already been raised once since the homes were built (easy to see the old and new concrete layers).

He was actually there to attend the homeowners association meeting and discuss elevating the sea wall further...considering the value of the homes and area it is safe to say a large percentage of the homeowners are climate change deniers. He said the homeowners were in a tough spot the wall had to be raised eventually or the homes would eventually be flooded. He didn't say how many years it would take. He also said the water level was measured in the marina at Balboa Bay/Newport Harbor (very close to the homes). The water level could be PROVEN to be rising based on the measurements in the harbor.

The second water engineer I met was in the Philippines helping to modernize their water systems. He was also a rock climber, we had many conversations about climate change and I specifically asked him about sea levels rising. He said it was common knowledge in his industry that the sea level was rising in different proportions in different parts of the world.

Why would either of these people lie to me when I have no connection other than holding a conversation with them?
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
May 14, 2013 - 11:59am PT
The public perception of GW has evolved from concern to now seeing silly egg head scientists grubbing for funding over false pretenses.

No, it has not. This is well studied too.
bobinc

Trad climber
Portland, Or
May 14, 2013 - 11:59am PT
They are all in on the vast conspiracy, that's why.

I also recommend you watch Dr Strangelove again ASAP and pay attention to the fluoride dialogue.
abrams

Sport climber
May 14, 2013 - 12:08pm PT
mtnlion - land is going up and going down all over the world, all the time.
Its called land uplift and subsidence. Think a carbon tax will stop it?

report land subsidence in the Philippines not due to GW.
http://www.senate.gov.ph/lisdata/80617255!.pdf

Chilo - its always about the money. Don't deny it.



Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
May 14, 2013 - 12:19pm PT
Chilo - its always about the money. Don't deny it.

For you, maybe. You also think it's fine to make up "facts" to fit your politics. Science is not like that.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 14, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
Im currently reading Eco-Fascists by Elizabeth Nixon.

Her take on Forestry concerns is SPOT ON...
abrams

Sport climber
May 14, 2013 - 12:29pm PT
The Flatirons, Boulder, from NOAA/Skaggs building

live cam.

no leaves yet on the deciduous trees in view. May 14 2013.

http://coloradolivecams.com/boulderNOAAcam1.htm


The Colorado (2013)sugarbeet crop was 4 percent emerged, behind 55 percent from last year(2012).

http://www.nass.usda.gov/Statistics_by_State/Colorado/Publications/Crop_Progress_&_Condition/current_co.pdf


blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
May 14, 2013 - 12:40pm PT
You're almost certainly wrong about that.

When you look up Dunning-Kruger effect on Wikipedia, there's a picture of blahblah's smiling face. Or should be. So certain, based on so little knowledge.

Thanks, we'll put your scowling visage in under "snake oil salesman."
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 14, 2013 - 12:45pm PT
Abrams I don't know what will stop it.

This past year I have lived in the Philippines. I witnessed a culture with no plan for plastic--the result is plastic trash everywhere. Previous to plastic they used leaves from different plants to hold the food they sell (still do but plastic bags are dominant). The leaves were biodegradeable but are more expensive and less convenient than the plastic bags.

The world had no idea of the repercussions of a powerful, convenient fuel source like oil. Thus no plan on what to do about those repercussions. I can tell you from being exposed to 2 vastly different cultures (as an adult) 2 observations:

1)In the 70's I witnessed more pollution coming from the cars tailpipe here in the U.S. than I do now (because of regulation).

2)In the Philippines there is no regulation for the vehicles (or it isn't enforced) and their vehicles produce a lot more pollution than the vehicles in the U.S. do today.

Based on these 2 observations regulation works (in this case at least) to improve our air quality. Would it work for the bigger problem of climate change?

My opinion is we need regular people, corporations, and countries to pull in the same direction to preserve our planet for future generations. Currently some people, corporations, and countries take advantage of no regulations or loosely enforced regulations to get out of paying their fair share. This results in an environment that is polluted and a climate that is changing.

Doing nothing isn't an option...at least it hasn't worked on any of the problems I'm qualified to solve (Weight loss, injury rehabilitation, sports performance--for my personal training clients).
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 14, 2013 - 03:30pm PT
Abrhams,when i lived in colorado, may was ski season.You could bike a little and climb down low,but it was ski season.
Come on now ,link up,show me the billions of dollars we spend on this,then go to the general accounting office and see the reality.The only ones spending billions are the fossil fuel people,as covertly as possible.Playing you doubters .
When was the last time you saw a left wing supported commercial,blowing climate change alarms?
Although,i cant turn anything on w/o hearing about jobs,gas,energy independence,and everything else big oil wants you to believe.
Reality, 97 out of 100 scientists have a consensus.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 14, 2013 - 07:41pm PT
The degree of idiocy some of you catastrophists exhibit in calling us realists deniers is simply breathtaking.Extraordinary claims, which the more hysterical among you never fail to vociferate endlessly,require extraordinary proof.Your so called "scientific consensus" is disintegrating before your very eyes as real world observations by real scientists are revealing real Earth science truth. I can only guess at your motives, but history shows that if this little socialist/communist utopia (which would actually manifest as a radical communist dictatorship) you envision actually comes to pass,all but higher of the politically connected are doomed to a life of impoverished servitude.Some of you, who seem to post here plenty from 9-5 weekdays, are government employees. Is this what your employers , who are funded by the taxpayers, want you to be doing?Below is listed a couple papers for your review.

Holocene temperature history at the western Greenland ice sheet margin
Axford Quaternary Science Reviews 2013

Orbital forcing of tree ring data-Jan Esper Nature Climate Change 2012

Keep up the pressure BlahBlah, Abrams and Ron-good work
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
May 14, 2013 - 08:21pm PT
Extraordinary claims, which the more hysterical among you never fail to vociferate endlessly,require extraordinary proof.Your so called "scientific consensus" is disintegrating before your very eyes as real world observations by real scientists are revealing real Earth science truth. I can only guess at your motives, but history shows that if this little socialist/communist utopia (which would actually manifest as a radical communist dictatorship) you envision actually comes to pass,all but higher of the politically connected are doomed to a life of impoverished servitude.
The farther they are backed into a corner, the more outrageous the confusion and anger

I would feel sorry for these people, but I won't, and I can't wait to say I told you so, and yes, you were pathetically stupid to deny science.

Science doesn't lie, money does,
it's billions of dollars spent on lobbyists, think tanks, and the right wing media that are spreading the denialist message, against a bunch of unorganized honest hard working scientists that know the truth and have no way to fight against the forces of evil
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
May 14, 2013 - 08:27pm PT
And yes, we can all feel the difference in temperature, you can feel the extra heat when it's sunny, like a green house.

and like I said before, you know who takes GCC seriously, the Military and insurance companies
They have already paid out billions more because of GCC
and some reports would say that millions have died from the effects of GCC already

But it doesn't matter, nothing I say will sway you, why?, because you guys are cultists, and cultist's refuse to listen to facts, they take their misinformation from their leaders.
The Right Wing Cult of doom and denial, it sickens and saddens me
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 14, 2013 - 08:39pm PT
Stick with cleaning up the local air Dr., you seem to be doing a good job. Don't fear for your job as the cult of CAGW collapses, their will always be need of pollution mitigation science in the teeming metropolises.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 14, 2013 - 09:30pm PT
Eighty percent of the cited, but not provided, data record ocean water temperature changes, which because of poorly understood mechanisms and cycles of ocean oscillations is hardly as reliable as the provided data of the Axford paper which measures atmospheric temps. Why did the temperature swing upwards to 2-3c over current temps absent anthropogenic forcing? Of course you noted that this was regional, but like a slow drip, more likewise accurate paleoclimate studies of many other regions are in the works.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 14, 2013 - 09:51pm PT
Maybe you still have faith in Mann, but i can tell you the general populace and the silent majority of global scientists consider him permanently discredited after exposure of manipulation of data to create the infamous hockey stick graph.Goodnight, over and out-and please come up with more credible studies in the future.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
May 15, 2013 - 05:09am PT
Yeah.
Messages 6761 - 6780 of total 25079 in this topic << First  |  < Previous  |  Show All  |  Next >  |  Last >>
Return to Forum List
Post a Reply
 
Our Guidebooks
Check 'em out!
SuperTopo Guidebooks


Try a free sample topo!

 
SuperTopo on the Web

Review Categories
Recent Route Beta
Recent Gear Reviews