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rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 21, 2013 - 12:11pm PT
Church Of Anthropogenic Hotheads And Latter Day Nature Denialists
Kevin Trenberth- High Priest and Profit


Gentlemen,

It has come to my attention that our flock members charged with conversion of infidels on that peculiar forum known as Supertopo have been particularly ineffective of late.In Fact, after a withering attack by the inconvenient forbidden truths ,as presented by very effective infidels, our flock members are losing the attention of our targeted converts.This situation is untenable and those members charged with conversion on Supertopo will face excommunication if this situation is not immediately remedied.Bless the profit, regards undersecretary Norton.






Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 21, 2013 - 12:14pm PT


thank you for that, Rick


and the beatings will continue until your morale improves.......
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 12:20pm PT
There have been many times in history where very smart men were engaged in theorizing a subject, only to have a common man step up and say,, well,, what about THIS? Then the look of a light bulb hits said scientists, who in their highly educated minds were incapable of thinking on a "smaller" level or scale. They MISSED the obvious due to being to far down a theoretical path. You call these "rabbit holes" which in itself is an indicator of not knowing exactly what these anomalies are. And perhaps neither do I, but it DOES create questions.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 21, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
Bruce, recent genetic research shows that there is a gene which produces a
borne contrarian. Now, that can be a very profitable thing if you're a hedge
fund manager, or it can get you a lot of attention otherwise.
El Cono

Boulder climber
Tierra Del Coņo
May 21, 2013 - 12:22pm PT
There have been many times in history where very smart men were engaged in theorizing a subject, only to have a common man step up and say,, well,, what about THIS?

Find me one....
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 21, 2013 - 12:25pm PT
Now the real question, is if the theories are so solid, then WHY engage in false propaganda to enhance it?

Well, for one... because we live in a society where greedy fukheads rule over dipshits who will believe damn near anything.



If you want an interesting story about endangered species, read about the Tellico dam on the Little Tennessee River. Old thinking (dam building) pushed for building dams in shitty sites, the only ones that remained. Nobody could stop the dam juggernaut, just like nobody can stop the Big Oil juggernaut of today.

Opponents of the dam did everything they could to stop the dam, including using the Endangered Species Act to protect the small snail darter. Dam construction was stopped at over 90% completion. It was shown that it made far more economic sense to abandon construction of the Tellico dam at that time, despite being nearly complete. Big Dam would never admit it, just like Big Oil would never admit the impact of anthropogenic CO2 contributions or that it makes far more sense to invest in renewable energy. Tellico was a horrible investment, a huge waste of money, an ecological disaster (as all dams are), and a good illustration of how ecological concerns should and can be used to prevent the runaway stupidity of our $$ and power driven society.

You know who signed the ESA into law?



Congress eventually exempted the Tellico dam from the Endangered Species Act and it was completed. People in power made their $$ at the expense of the environment, tribal lands, etc... just like Big Oil is doing now. The water diverted from the Tellico dam to the Fort Loudoun dam produces as much electricity as about 8 wind turbines. Fuking pathetic.



One reason the ESA is used to prevent logging of old growth, building of dams, etc is because identifying "threatened or endangered species" is FAR easier than quantifying overall impacts to the ecosystem. Identifying the loss of (e.g.) polar bear habitat and getting the public to take notice is far easier than explaining the science of climate change to folks who refuse to listen to facts and don't understand the first thing about the scientific process.

I've heard many a uneducated logger claim "we know the impacts of our logging practices and they are minimal." Complete bullsh#t... you can't KNOW your impacts if you haven't quantified or at least systematically monitored them... which they haven't. It is the same ignorant argument folks are prodded to repeat in response to climate change. It is as absurd as me claiming Ron's stuffings of an animal I had never seen don't look real enough.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 21, 2013 - 12:30pm PT
There have been many times in history where very smart men were engaged in theorizing a subject, only to have a common man step up and say,, well,, what about THIS?

Find me one....


find me one too

thanks


I'll take intelligence and education all day long, Alex
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 12:33pm PT
Ok, When i was working in NDOT, we had an erosion problem in a roadway- that threatened to undermine the asphalt.. The dept sent down two "engineers" to "study" and recommend possible solutions to a semi unique situation. It was directly above a water source and stream owned by a local tribe. This went on for two months, as the erosion just got larger. We gathered at the site to discuss the various options they had come up with..
They suggested we spend about two hundred thousand on an elaborate fencing, and all manner of collection traps and eco retention's.

We stood there listening to the drawn out "plans" getting more confused as we went along. FINALLY, a member of the crew steps up and says,, what if we just use UNIVERSAL PATCH MIX to create a stair stepping drainage down to the bottom culvert? It wont MOVE...

There was this rather long silence amongst the engineers- in fact amongst the whole scene. You could HEAR the wheels turning.

The problem was fixed via UPM and about 1800.00 TOTAL cost to the taxpayers..



This was CLEARLY a time when highly educated guys didnt have the COMMON knowledge of those on the ground.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 21, 2013 - 12:38pm PT
ok Ron

of course you for sure could come up with an example, should not have bothered to ask


but seriously, when faced with the choice of going with intelligence and education or not,
which way is the best bet, all things considered?

and a question, where did you go to college and what is your degree in, Ron?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 21, 2013 - 12:38pm PT
fuk





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Yes, fixing a drainage problem on a highway is comparable to global climate change. How long did that repair last Ron? Give me the location, I'd like to drive by sometime.







Remember kids, suicide is always an option.

Later!
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 21, 2013 - 12:41pm PT
BREAKING NEWS GUYS!!!!

I have found a few sources that have confirmed my suspicion that some of Ron's stuffed animals are actually well painted CERAMICS!!!

just kidding...but if I didn't say (i'm kidding) how would you prove I'm Rong Ron???

Pretty difficult to prove isn't it unless you want us watching video of you sticking your hand up a bird's a$$ for each stuffing you do...that IS the PROBLEM...it is hard to prove that BIG OIL, Multinational Corporations, and the SUPERWEALTHY are disseminating misinformation on the CAUSE and EFFECTS of climate change.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 21, 2013 - 12:43pm PT
This was CLEARLY a time when highly educated guys didnt have the COMMON knowledge of those on the ground.

Anybody in the construction business has similar experience. Fuking engineers are the bane of our existence jacking around in their ivory towers making life miserable for us.

Once again the significance of such an analogy has to to do with the WEIGHTING of the factors involved. In this case the differences in expertise (in regard to the task) between the blue collar nail pounders and the ivory tower nail pounders isn't actually that great.

The differences in ability between Rick and Ed ( in regard to the task) are off the charts.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 12:44pm PT
Norton,, i certainly dont suggest Education to be bad nor is Educated Opinion. I did NOT go to college. I DID have years worth of courses through the BLM, and USFS and even NDOT of which many were masters level accredited courses. I was sent to every 300 level course that was around back then.
ut i never claimed to be "SMART". Just "smart enough" to see forest for the trees.


edit: Bruce,, to the TAX payers that difference was rather LARGE!
El Cono

Boulder climber
Tierra Del Coņo
May 21, 2013 - 12:52pm PT
Ok, When i was working in NDOT

....and that's where all the smart guys are? The Nevada Department of Transportation? Well, I got you beat...

One time, when I was hanging out at Arby's.....
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 12:54pm PT
and so im theorizing that your purpose here Elcono is simply to inject nonsense at a random pace?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 21, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
edit: Bruce,, to the TAX payers that difference was rather LARGE!

Maybe you're joking around here but if not, you still don't get it. In your example, the "common" shmoe was actually demonstrating an expertise relative to the task, thus they rightly steered the outcome of lower cost with acceptable completion of the job.

In climate science, we don't stand a chance. It would be like the janitor steering the brain surgery and deciding that that blue thing must be a vein because we all learned that in school. It probably is a vein, but of what significance?
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
May 21, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
I once stayed at a Holiday Inn Express!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 21, 2013 - 12:58pm PT
to the TAX payers that difference was rather LARGE!

Ah, yes, $198,200 spread over 500,000 tax payers... that's damn near $0.4 each!!!

Still, I'm curious how long that patch job lasted. Where is it, I want to drive by and check it out for myself.
new world order2

climber
May 21, 2013 - 12:58pm PT
Ed H. ..... What are your thoughts on GMO food/Monsanto, and fluoride in drinking water, please?

And if you care to, your thoughts on geo-engineering?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
Ya went the wrong way in your comparisons Bruce.. But i do agree to a point with some of it.

The technical expertise of the scientists on both sides is far and above the average schmoe. On that there is no doubt.

BUT, that in no way negates the experience of those at the first ground level. Hunters trappers and Tribal folks told of growing populations of polar bears for years, only to be dismissed as they didnt fit the models being layed out at that time. THAT was obvious biased in that "science". So once biased patterns appear, is it not prudent to examine the rest with a certain amount of scrutiny?


Kinda like believing that our govt is for the people by the people nowdays.



edit: Wes,, i was on crew "7000". I think we had 268 roadway miles on that crew. Your a researcher,, so research. You CERTAINLY dont want to take the word of an uneducated billhilly dead fake animal stuffer as a base for your research,, that would be shytty science!
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