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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Jun 21, 2013 - 04:14pm PT
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There's no global warming. Ok there's global warming. But we're not causing it. Ok we ARE causing it because we burn fossil fuels. But it isn't really a problem, its actually a GUD THYANG! GUD BUDDY! because we'll have more corn to make Sweetie Cola to continuing the obesification of America.
It is pretty funny to see it go round and round like that. Each argument from the deniers is met with observations and well established science. Each time they change their argument. Idiocy ad nauseam. They rely on science to support the stance they desperately cling to (climate changed in the past so clearly we have nothing to do with it) and then deny THE EXACT SAME SCIENCE that proves them wrong (no mechanism other than anthropogenic CO2 explains the current change). Bunch of fuking idiots.
No one has said there hasnt been a warming period or that CO2 hasnt increased.
Oh yea, then they deny their previous stance... I assume for comedic effect.
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J man
Trad climber
morgan hill
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Jun 21, 2013 - 04:35pm PT
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Funny that the AGW'ers shout so loudly about CO2 increasing temperature
but are silently skeptical about it increasing plant growth.
Of course more plants are good and that is bad news for AGW'ers efforts to demonize CO2. Plants feed people.
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J man
Trad climber
morgan hill
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Jun 21, 2013 - 05:07pm PT
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CO2 is a nutrient. Saying its increase has no effect is silly and anti science.
Carbon dioxide (CO2) is an essential component of photosynthesis. Photosynthesis is a chemical process that uses light energy to convert CO2 and water into sugars in green plants. These sugars
are then used for growth within the plant, through respiration. The
difference between the rate of photosynthesis and the rate of respiration
is the basis for dry-matter accumulation (growth) in the plant.
In a greenhouse production the aim of all growers is to increase dry-matter content and economically optimize crop yield.
CO2 increases productivity through improved plant growth and vigour. Some ways in which productivity is increased by CO2 include earlier flowering, higher fruit yields, reduced bud abortion in roses, improved stem strength and flower size.
Growers should regard CO2 as a nutrient.
http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/crops/facts/00-077.htm
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Jun 21, 2013 - 05:10pm PT
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Ron google increased plant growth in arid areas due to increased Co2. I did and posted a link but couldn't get it to come up. This is a global effect, an increase of 11% as verified by satellite imagery.
So, which is it Rick... increase plant growth in arid areas or a global effect? You dipshits don't even know what you are saying anymore. Good for a laugh though.
Here's a little math problem for you... if atmospheric CO2 increased 14% over the study period and plant growth increased by 11% in arid areas (less than 40% of the Earth's surface), does increased plant growth negate the increase in CO2? (hint: atmospheric CO2 increased 14% over the study period)
http://www.agu.org/news/press/pr_archives/2013/2013-24.shtml
(answer: hhaaahaaahahahaaaahaahahaahahahaahahaaaaaaaa! dumb asses.)
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Jun 21, 2013 - 05:24pm PT
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nwo2, you forgot government mandated abortions, microchips, and thought police.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jun 21, 2013 - 05:25pm PT
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My main point Christ is that the slightly elevated trace atmospheric amount of CO2 is increasing the hardiness of plants in arid regions thereby allowing the greening of desert areas. This is a virtuous loop, the CO2 allows for more leafiness which entraps more water vapor which in turn allows for more and different plants to flourish, all of which reduce atmospheric CO2. A self amplifying effect of old mother nature that exceeds the values of all the silly models. And indeed, all plant life planet wide show in creased activity.This is but one of the undervalued, ignored, or unknown modulators that keep the foolish models from ever working in the real world.
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Jun 21, 2013 - 05:29pm PT
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My main point Christ is that the slightly elevated trace atmospheric amount of CO2 is increasing the hardiness of plants in arid regions
14% increase over 3 decades is a slightly elevated trace atmospheric amount? wtf does "slightly elevated trace atmospheric amount" even mean? and 11% increase in growth means the plants are hardier?
Whatever moran... keep reaching... you are bound to find another straw to grasp on to sooner or later.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jun 21, 2013 - 05:33pm PT
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Please learn to spell Christ. You are an embarassment to all scientists because of your lack of language or writing skills.
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J man
Trad climber
morgan hill
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Jun 21, 2013 - 05:34pm PT
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You AGW'ers dismissing extra millions of tons of fruit grains and vegetables
due to increased CO2 is either a scary delusional psychosis or an uninformed
conclusion.
While we reject your conspiracy theory end of the world global warming idea and dismiss the brief fraction of a degree in temperature change quite easily as noise in the ever changing climate.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jun 21, 2013 - 05:36pm PT
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Good to see a fellow realist Jman.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jun 21, 2013 - 05:47pm PT
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wow,
all time recorded history heat records being broken across Alaska!
November new crop soybeans and corn prices staying high in spite of forecasts for record acreage as traders anticipate another year of extreme heat and draught across the plains
chief
500,000 years ago we living things, humans, were still halfway down from the trees in Africa
unless we can know that CO2 levels were that so much higher specifically in southern Africa ya really can't use that as a valid comparison?
not taking sides in this bashing, just comments
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Jun 21, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
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1) I can't believe this is even being debated. Wait, are we going to
debate evolution while we're at it?
2) Just guessing here, but Ed H. is a CIA operative, placed here to spin the elites/government spiel on AGW.
LMAO
3)There's no global warming. Ok there's global warming. But we're not causing it. Ok we ARE causing it because we burn fossil fuels. But it isn't really a problem, its actually a GUD THYANG! GUD BUDDY! because we'll have more corn to make Sweetie Cola to continuing the obesification of America.
LMAO^10^10
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Jun 21, 2013 - 06:22pm PT
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You AGW'ers dismissing extra millions of tons of fruit grains and vegetables
An 11% increase in hardiness or plant growth or whatever you decide to call it to support your fantasy equates to millions of tons of fruit grains and vegetables? Fuk you guys are clueless!!!
What are fruit grains anyway?
pfftt. hahahahaaaaaa.
morans
plus gov't mandated euthanasia, and sterilization.
Thank god... it's about time!
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Jun 21, 2013 - 06:36pm PT
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I agree with the grasping at straws statement.
Seriously, you deniers are either very dumb (best guess), or belligerently promoting a school of thought that is flawed. (Second guess, but you all will look even more stupid if it's true).
I mock you, deniers. Thanks for a good laugh on a Friday evening, you short-bus backwoods rednecks.
You all should be ashamed of yourselves for being so ignorant.
Is it hot out? Awesome! Climate change is a sham!
Oh, GFYS.
:)
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J man
Trad climber
morgan hill
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Jun 21, 2013 - 06:37pm PT
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Dr. Crusty knows his commas.
Can you tell us how much extra CO2 the plants in Alaska are capturing
under cloudless skies with near 24hrs of sun light?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jun 21, 2013 - 06:42pm PT
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500,000 years ago we living things, humans
This is a very valid comparison.
We aren't the ONLY thing that hangs around on this planet Norton. In other words, get over yourselves. We may go bye bye.
But the planet will continue as it has so many times in the past. That is evolution and reality.
no argument from me with what you said, chief
so chief, WHY are temperatures significantly higher nowadays, surely no disagreement from you that heat records are being set across Europe and North America including as north as Alaska?
in your view, is this simply a cyclical thing and we are at the high temp cycle?
no doubt you agree with that chief, and no question CO2 levels are nowadays also at the highest levels in, lets just say, a long long time?
so I assume you disagree that human activity has contributed to this warming and as such also then dispute the effect that the high CO2 levels now has on this present era warming?
I see where you come from regarding why waste money and resources on doing anything about this much bigger than us warming thing and instead spend that effort on what we CAN do something about such as mitigating hunger, poverty, and other human afflictions
do I have you right, chief?
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 21, 2013 - 06:47pm PT
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Temperature are higher now because 6 billion people on the planet are angry that their govts. are all warmonger retards.
6 billion hot heads heat up the air and temperature rises.
Scientific proof ......
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jun 21, 2013 - 07:04pm PT
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How about diverting the hundreds of billions of dollars spent on this global warming scare mongering into actual next generation energy research and development Norton? We could have solved the problem the CAGWers are screaming about long ago if the money, time and talent hadn't been wasted. the agenda is not about protecting the enviroment, or saving mankind or other species, it is about controlling the populace, Norton.
Alaska (at least southcentral) is once again under fully clouded skies with temperatures unseasonably cool (currently 58f). How much the increased photosynthesis drew down the atmospheric CO2 stock during the recent high pressure/high temperature, nearly 24 hour sunlit days, is an interesting question of the infinitesmial. All things balance in the long run.
Sorry to hear of our Canadian neighbors plight in Alberta. I'll be donating to the Red Cross or some such organization on their behalf.A number of hundred or thousand weather events happen on Earth every year. It is sad to politicize it.
And Bruce, the Earth has never been "enviromentally stable", nor will it ever be. You know about evolution. The one universal constant is change-even of the physical laws.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jun 21, 2013 - 07:24pm PT
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rick said
Alaska (at least southcentral) is once again under fully clouded skies with temperatures unseasonably cool (currently 58f). How much the increased photosynthesis drew down the atmospheric CO2 stock during the recent high pressure/high temperature, nearly 24 hour sunlit days, is an interesting question of the infinitesmial. All things balance in the long run.
are you serious, rick?
you actually believe that because right now in south central Alask is cloudy with temps at this exact moment 58 degrees that somehow negates the all time heat records set just last week in Alaska?
that is like say that because it is coolish in Wasilla that that proves a lie those heat records?
does you brain, your logic, your reasoning, deal with all issues in that incredibly selective, see what you only want to see and disregard the rest type manner?
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