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Brandon-
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The Granite State.
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Jun 20, 2013 - 04:36pm PT
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What's a 'gubbmint'?
Are you still trying the hick twang ploy Ron?
I've seen some of your writing, that you later deleted. It was clear, concise, and intelligent.
Why don't you give up the illiterate ruse and write what you think. The dumbass redneck is just a way out when you're proven wrong time and again.
Man up and write like the old crusty bastard that you are, not a dumb yokel.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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Jun 20, 2013 - 05:32pm PT
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I found something interesting over at Judith Curry's site. In this link she is going over the New Republic article that Rick posted the other day. I've been watching here for several years now, trying to figure her out. Here's the link to her analysis and then I'll post below what I find to be a very stupid comment that shows her true colors;
http://judithcurry.com/2013/06/18/the-new-republic-on-the-pause/
"JC comment: Exactly how does focusing on the mean surface temperature miss the point? Global warming is pretty much defined in context of the mean surface temperature. People live on the surface, not in the ocean below 700 m. Yes, warming the ocean interior will cause some sea level rise associated with thermal expansion. But this line of argument that warming in the deep ocean will change the climate (presumably due to changes in the ocean circulation) really just supports the argument for ocean circulations being a primary driver for climate (the natural variability hypothesis promoted by many skeptics)."
Abrams Climate Depot link led me to this indirectly. Judith Curry is looking like quite the hack. I have been trying to give her the benefit of doubt for awhile now, but she is one of the Masters of doubt, and 'uncertainty' in science.
Debate is welcome!
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 20, 2013 - 07:49pm PT
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It's snowing in my backyard!?! What the heck, tomorrow is the Summer Solstice...
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jun 21, 2013 - 01:32am PT
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Ed's link to the history of CO2 science was good if you were in a reeducation camp. It was definitely one sided and would surely lead the uninitiated to the reeducators desired state of mind-disastrous global warming idiocy.What is totally glossed over is the possibility of unknown feedbacks and the fact that observational reality has distinctly parted ways with with "Model Science Fiction". The errors started innocently enough, early on with the belief that Angstrom's assistant had not the proper level of CO2 mixture for the experiment that his refutation of Aarhenius hypothesis was based on. Later it read like Soviet propaganda of old with the likes of: "In the first decade of the 21st century, international panels of experts reviewed the evidence, and announced conclusions...virtually all major national science academies....All these bodies agreed that the world faced a serious problem". There is that unanimous phony consensus thing! And "Also as predicted only sooner, the world was beginning to suffer historically unprecedented heat waves, droughts, floods and storms. The sea level was rising while mountain glaciers, the Greenland and Antarctic ice shhets, and the Arctic sea ice melted back, all at accelerating rates". At this point the whole peice seemed a bit much.
Can't the scientific world for once put away the endless circle of overstudy on this CAGW subject and apply some science to render this way overblown hysteria irrelevant? My god, how many tens of thousands of scientists and tens of trillions of dollars must be wasted on this self reinforcing loop running contrary to reality?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jun 21, 2013 - 01:45am PT
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Must the whole world, lead by our scientists, forever hide under Mama's skirt? Get on with the science scientists. Make the world of tomorrow a better place than today.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jun 21, 2013 - 02:15am PT
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Bruce you might find it hard to comprehend, but, before all the hysterics reached a screeching crescendo, in the nineties when i was far too busy running businesses and raising a family, when the subarctic where i live was distinctly warming with spring arriving earlier and fall later for 8 or 9 years, i actually just accepted global warming as fact.Thereafter, i slowly relieved my ignorance.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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Jun 21, 2013 - 03:15am PT
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Anyway, over at the Save Canmore thread I posted this from 2007;
http://www.piquenewsmagazine.com/whistler/mountain-news-canmore-planning-climate-change-centre/Content?oid=2159229
It looks like it was never built and then I realized that was about the time the Bush administration and oil companies really started getting down on Climate Science (beginning about 2006). It would have been easy for any Funding Canmore had to get wiped out after that.....not that it would have helped all the flooding they have had since then. They saw it coming though. The history of denial is interesting.
From Wikipedia; Between 2008 and 2012 the Heartland Institute sponsored seven International Conferences on Climate Change, bringing together hundreds of global warming skeptics. Convention speakers have included Richard Lindzen, a professor of meteorology at MIT; Roy Spencer, a research scientist and climatologist at the University of Alabama at Huntsville; S. Fred Singer, who is a senior fellow of the Heartland Institute[21] and was founding dean of the School of Environmental and Planetary Sciences at the University of Miami and founding director of the National Weather Satellite Service; Harrison Schmitt, a geologist and former NASA astronaut and Apollo 17 moonwalker; and Dr. John Theon, atmospheric scientist and former NASA supervisor. In the first conference, participants criticized the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and Al Gore.[10][22] The BBC reported that the heavily politicized nature of the Heartland conferences led some "moderate" climate skeptics to avoid them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heartland_Institute
Another timely story: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/29/science/earth/29climate.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
In this episode, it was not 'NASA' that tried to shut Hansen up, but Bush Administration appointees to NASA.
Rick, you are such a highly regarded climate science debunker, what do you think I was referring to when I thought Judith Curry said something stupid in one of my posts higher up on this page?
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 21, 2013 - 10:39am PT
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^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jun 21, 2013 - 11:23am PT
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gentlemen
for christ sake
we went over ALL of this just yesterday
come on.......
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 21, 2013 - 11:29am PT
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Stupid Americans!
;-)
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jun 21, 2013 - 11:36am PT
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The Chief has more stamina than anyone here.
You will never, ever, defeat him.
He put LEB in a speechless coma.
You are doomed.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Jun 21, 2013 - 11:39am PT
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Or posting as Knotts.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jun 21, 2013 - 11:50am PT
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Say, The Chief, is that a beam in your eye?
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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Jun 21, 2013 - 12:03pm PT
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I agree with Jeebz the best way to communicate with the Chief is by mocking and baiting him...
...he never answers any of the real questions after he posts for example:
the Chief says that there is not one viable realistic solution to us burning fossil fuel (wich is not true by the way). The truth is Big Oil and the car companies have acted in concert to keep the viable solutions off the table...when I asked him about this he ignores it and moves on---so how can you have a rational discussion?? You can't so why not resort to bashing his hypocrisy in any way you can.
BTW wich tiny wrastler is the Chief (my money is on the one wearing the cowboy hat).
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jun 21, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
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Has anyone else noticed the distinct uptick of scientific papers that attempt to explain the slight global warming episode of the late 20th century by way of natural (non anthropogenic) means. It seems the "mainstream" is slowly changing course. Could this be the start of a flood of rationality? Could you dinosaurs, here on this thread defending CAGW, be the last of a dying species? Get with it guys, there is a new trend and bandwagon to attach to- it's called global cooling. CAGW is so yesterday!
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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Jun 21, 2013 - 12:29pm PT
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Valid Point DMT...it does suck to be mean and it doesn't make you feel good...
It is very disheartening to continue reading posts from someone with a fatalistic attitude like the Chief's.
For me it is all about the next generation...I do what I can to teach my nieces and nephews to believe in themselves and have a positive attitude...that nothing is impossible if they put thier minds and hearts into it...I think the Chief probably does also but then in the next sentence he says there is nothing that we can do about the environment...what is unacceptable to me is not trying...
after reading his posts a thousand times and having a few PBR's mean posts seem like a good option...
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Jun 21, 2013 - 12:50pm PT
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But the example of L.A. smog really hit home with me. In the 60s that would have been seen an insurmountable problem too. 40-years later, there is far less smog as a direct result of human action.
Weeeelllll... Actually the brilliant minds at Caltech got tired of stinging eyes and wheezing everytime the inversion layer trapped the smog, so they built a huge tunnel system that sucks all the pollutants and redirects them through the earth to China. Read that some years ago in the National Enquirer. I'll let someone else pull up the ref.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jun 21, 2013 - 02:15pm PT
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Ron google increased plant growth in arid areas due to increased Co2. I did and posted a link but couldn't get it to come up. This is a global effect, an increase of 11% as verified by satellite imagery.
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