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Wade Icey

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Apr 7, 2014 - 11:34am PT
Credit: Wade Icey
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Apr 7, 2014 - 11:36am PT
Nice TurkishStarWars Wade!! Have you tried his punching sand technique to ready your hands for the crack?! lol

Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Apr 7, 2014 - 11:45am PT
What facts sketch? How do you know they are facts? Can you prove your facts?
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Apr 7, 2014 - 01:35pm PT
the essence of passive aggression
littlehammer

Mountain climber
Land of frozen crags
Apr 7, 2014 - 04:17pm PT
Why is this nerd B.K. going on and on about nothing?
Focus on the important. Like basketball!

k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 7, 2014 - 08:07pm PT
Resorting to childish mockery when you don't like the farts.

And what could be more childish?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 7, 2014 - 08:23pm PT
The last issue or Rolling Stone has a fantastic interview with Bill Gates.

Yeah, that Bill.

At least I found it interesting. Climate change was amongst the things they talked about:

Let's talk about climate change. Many scientists and politicians see it as the biggest challenge humanity has ever faced.
It's a big challenge, but I'm not sure I would put it above everything. One of the reasons it's hard is that by the time we see that climate change is really bad, your ability to fix it is extremely limited. Like with viruses, the problem is latency. The carbon gets up there, but the heating effect is delayed. And then the effect of that heat on the species and ecosystem is delayed. That means that even when you turn virtuous, things are actually going to get worse for quite a while.

Right . . . we're not virtuous yet, are we?
We're not even close we're emitting more CO2 every year. In order to get a 90 percent reduction of carbon, which is what we need, the first thing you might want to get is a year of global reduction, and we have not had that. U.S. emissions are down right now, partly because we buy more goods from overseas. But even if you invented some zero-carbon energy source today, the deployment of that magic device would take a long time.

Are you hopeful that global climate talks will lead to a solution?
Many climate-change discussions are off-target because they've focused on things like the $100 billion per year that some people believe should be spent by the rich world to help the developing world, which is not really addressing the problem. At the same time, discussion about how to increase funding of research-and-development budgets to accelerate innovation is surprisingly missing. We haven't increased R&D spending, we haven't put a price signal [like a carbon tax] in, and this is certainly very disappointing. I think it's a real test of the boundary of science and politics and an acid test of people's time horizons. Before the economic downturn, attitudes in the U.S. about climate change had become quite enlightened, and then there was a big reversal, which I believe was a result of people's worries about their immediate economic situation. Talking about problems that will have a significant effect 30 or 40 years out just gets off the agenda, and there's this shrill political debate that is distracting people. So we've made some progress, but you can't take the progress we've made and linearize it if you do, you really are going to find out how bad climate change can be.

Let's say climate change was delayed 100 years. If that were the case, science would take care of this one. We wouldn't have to double the Department of Energy budget, because there's five or six different paths to go down. And 100 years, at the current rate and speed of science, is a long time.

We're heading for big trouble, right?
Absolutely. That's why I happen to think we should explore geo-engineering. But one of the complaints people have against that is that if it looks like an easy out, it'll reduce the political will to cut emissions. If that's the case, then, hey, we should take away heart surgery so that people know not to overeat. I happened to be having dinner with Charles Koch last Saturday, and we talked a little bit about climate change.

[Charles Koch? You gotta be kidding. What'd he say?]

There's actually more on the subject; see the whole interview for the full monte: Bill Gates: The Rolling Stone Interview


Say what you will ...
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Apr 7, 2014 - 08:29pm PT
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Apr 7, 2014 - 08:35pm PT
Alarmist^^^.HA
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 7, 2014 - 10:22pm PT
It is April isn't it?

INDIANAPOLIS (AP) -- U.S. and Canadian Coast Guard crews kept up their battle Monday to clear pathways for vessels hauling vital raw materials on the ice-clogged Great Lakes, where a shipping logjam forced a weeklong shutdown of the nation's largest steel factory.

Traffic remained largely at a crawl after a winter that produced some of the heaviest ice on record across the five inland seas, where more than half the surface area remained solid this week. Icebreaking ships slogging across Lake Superior were still encountering ice layers 2 feet to 3 feet thick. In some areas, wind and wave action created walls of ice up to 14 feet high.

About three-quarters of Lake Superior, the largest and deepest of the Great Lakes, remained ice-covered. Gill estimated it would be about two weeks before the surface is clear enough for freighters to make the crossing without an icebreaker escort.

Even then, the icebreakers probably will be on duty well into May and possibly as late as Memorial Day.

"We'll be constantly on search-and-destroy missions, finding big pieces of ice and breaking them into smaller pieces," Gill said.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_US_STEEL_ICY_SHUTDOWN?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-04-07-16-49-55
WBraun

climber
Apr 8, 2014 - 11:02am PT
You and him are a lot alike ......
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 8, 2014 - 11:09am PT


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/01/california-climate-credit_n_5072784.html
new world order2

climber
Apr 8, 2014 - 11:46am PT

We're heading for big trouble, right?
Bill Gates: "Absolutely. That's why I happen to think we should explore geo-engineering."

Well, well, well, lookeysee here....By my count, if the spraying of chemicals into the sky is geo engineering, then chemtrails are for real. No?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 8, 2014 - 11:46am PT
And Rob Ford has what to do with climate change denial?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 8, 2014 - 11:49am PT
By my count, if the spraying of chemicals into the sky is geo engineering, then chemtrails are for real. No?

yeah, just like posting on stupidtaco is electrical engineering.
new world order2

climber
Apr 8, 2014 - 11:58am PT
We're heading for big trouble, right?
Bill Gates: "Absolutely. That's why I happen to think we should explore geo-engineering."


By my count, if the spraying of chemicals into the sky is geo engineering, then chemtrails are for real. No?

yeah, just like posting on stupidtaco is electrical engineering.

^^Just can't come to admit they're spraying the atmosphere with chemicals, eh Wes?

It's ok. Most folks can't.
new world order2

climber
Apr 8, 2014 - 12:28pm PT
NWO, why no concern about "us" spraying chemicals every time we flick a light switch or drive a car?

Why would you say I have "no concern", Bruce? Because I don't post it so on SuperTaco?
I'm presently speaking to geo engineering being the same thing as chemtrails. You are an argumentative sort, aren't you?

Oh look! There's a jet spraying chemicals into the atmosphere! <br/>
Lets ...
Oh look! There's a jet spraying chemicals into the atmosphere!
Lets see now...a jet spraying chemicals into the atmosphere would leave what in it's wake? Hmmmm...I dunno! Chemtrails? Nooooo....conspiracy theory!
Credit: new world order2

Who's up for some chemtrails? Ooppsss....I mean geo-engineering.
Who's up for some chemtrails? Ooppsss....I mean geo-engineering.
Credit: new world order2

What a lovely day to chemtrail/geo-engineer the atmosphere.
What a lovely day to chemtrail/geo-engineer the atmosphere.
Credit: new world order2
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Apr 8, 2014 - 12:29pm PT
k-man asked
And Rob Ford has what to do with climate change denial?

Listening to him deny using crack is relatively similar to listening to climate change "skeptics."

(FYI, being a skeptic involves using the best available information to question a given theory, not simply deciding that the information was created by the illuminati.)
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Apr 8, 2014 - 12:35pm PT
Just can't come to admit they're spraying the atmosphere with chemicals

I believe the sane among us call that "crop dusting".
raymond phule

climber
Apr 8, 2014 - 12:36pm PT

What a lovely day to chemtrail/geo-engineer the atmosphere.

Yes, it is. The Ilumati always seems to choose days with special atmospheric conditions when they choose to spray, i.e. days with high humidity at altitude.

I also found it fascinating that the ilumati (or what ever it is that does the spraying) have the ability to spray from every single airplane that fly on the right altitude all over the world.

It really is an impressive conspiracy!
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