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The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 10, 2013 - 05:19pm PT
I don't "know" why he was fired. But I'd bet it was mostly because he failed to publish enough research (nothing since 2000!) and failed to bring in money: research grants from outside.

WOW!


So regardless the quality and record of their instruction, a professor can and will get shetcanned for the above reason???

Niiiiiiiice.



I have to admit that I have been sloppy in some of my posts. The discussion was about Lindzen, a full professor with tenure, and in the rest om my posts I implicitly assumed that we talked about professors with tenure.

So you are now going to be on the record as stating that the ONLY reason professors such as Lindzen remain on staff is cus of their "tenure". Regardless the quality of curriculum and instruction?

Another .... niiiiiice.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Oct 10, 2013 - 05:21pm PT
Yep, sure does, particularly when university budgets get cut.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 10, 2013 - 05:24pm PT
So you are now going to be on the record as stating that the ONLY reason professors such as Lindzen remain on staff is cus of their "tenure". Regardless the quality of curriculum and instruction?


Yep, sure does, particularly when university budgets get cut.


Well then that says tons for the academic/higher education institutions in this country.


No wonder people such as WESCHRIST got their PhD's.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Oct 10, 2013 - 05:25pm PT
More like cultural geographers like The Chief.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 10, 2013 - 05:32pm PT
but the granting of tenure is not a university issue, as I said, it is an academic issue.

Thus the individuals I posted must maintain a certain standard of quality and accurate instruction/curriculum within their academia. Correct EDH?

More like cultural geographers like The Chief.

That is a big fat negative MONO. Most of the course material I was presented with throughout my studies was almost automatic no brainers. My 24 years experience in the Navy saw to that as well as my many international travels in my younger days.


I went onto work/serve with several neighboring county anti-gang agencies with that degree. Very effective one's I may add.

The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 10, 2013 - 06:13pm PT
they may not be chosen to teach classes, but incompetence is not grounds for being fired at the university from a tenured position...


With that said, are you insinuating that there is no standard from which "tenured" professors in this nations reputable universities are held to in teaching their curriculum/s?
crunch

Social climber
CO
Oct 10, 2013 - 06:36pm PT
WOW!


So regardless the quality and record of their instruction, a professor can and will get shetcanned for the above reason???

Niiiiiiiice.

No, no no.

1. A tenured professor can do whatever they want. To write whatever they want. They cannot be fired, except in the gravest of circumstances, like criminal behavior, or for gross academic misconduct--like copying others' work and pretending it's their own, or flagrantly falsifying results. Proving academic misconduct is an expensive, years-long battle which hurts everyone involved (see Churchill, Ward).

Tenure is guaranteed job for life with guaranteed pay. The reason is to protect academic freedom, the freedom to write and research in any direction. Some research projects can take a decade or more for results to appear. Some are politically unpopular. Tenure protects the research from political interference.

2. A professor WITHOUT tenure (like Drapela) has no such security. He is hired for fixed length of time (one year, several years). This contract may be extended. Or not. Drapela is right to be upset, wrong to be surprised. Academia, if you don't have tenure, can be a brutal, very competitive world with NO job security.

Some positions are "tenure track" ie after a certain fixed period (say 7 years) they will be given tenure. Even professors in tenure track positions, if the person has not demonstrated a sufficiently high standard of work, will be let go.
paul roehl

Boulder climber
california
Oct 10, 2013 - 06:38pm PT
You should know that, at least in California, fully 60% of "professors" (they're really instructors unless designated otherwise) are NOT tenured. They, for the most part, receive no medical benefits or vacation time or any other benefits and can be fired for any reason at any time.

These instructors are designated part-time temporary employees even though they may have been doing they're jobs for thirty years.

Higher education makes Wal-mart look like a bunch of pikers.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 10, 2013 - 06:43pm PT
1. A tenured professor can do whatever they want. To write whatever they want. They cannot be fired, except in the gravest of circumstances, like criminal behavior, or for gross academic misconduct--like copying others' work and pretending it's their own, or flagrantly falsifying results. Proving academic misconduct is an expensive, years-long battle which hurts everyone involved (see Churchill, Ward).

So, in order to finally attain this tenured secured position, one must certainly maintain a high standard of curriculum and quality record of viable research. Correct.


Higher education makes Wal-mart look like a bunch of pikers.

That says tons about "quality" within the academia here in CA.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 10, 2013 - 07:03pm PT
What a font of research material you provide for any anthropologist wanting to study the habits of the New Mexican Desert quadriplegic C*#k Gobbler.

Right here FRONTALOBOTOME.... ancient still oozing with puss batshet eater from albuquerque.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 10, 2013 - 07:22pm PT
Oh.. that is you lying bitewad. Came from your Summitpost post. NOTHING ever goes away.

FortMental wrote:
Here is me at the foot of the North Face of Athabasca, in my Joe Brown helmet and North Face Cagoule looking for frozen bat dick.

I look like a gay Eskimo.
http://www.summitpost.org/phpBB3/early-photos-from-your-beginning-t51689-15.html

Got lots more.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Oct 10, 2013 - 07:29pm PT
It is all about you,Chef.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 10, 2013 - 07:45pm PT
No I didn't. I omitted it so as not to make FORT appear to be the true moronic idiot that he truly is.



HEY FARTMENTAL, here's your honey machine.Get em while they are hot?

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Oct 10, 2013 - 07:49pm PT
Tell us , mister know-it-all, what else was in the statement?

It doesn't matter. Non-tenured faculty at most institutions can be let go at any time, for any reason. It happens all the time.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 10, 2013 - 07:59pm PT
And New York City was under 600 feet plus of glacier ice at one time.

BFD.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Oct 10, 2013 - 08:00pm PT
So lets inundate it in a few hundred years.

As well as every other coastal city on the planet.
Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Oct 10, 2013 - 08:02pm PT
It doesn't matter. Non-tenured faculty at most institutions can be let go at any time, for any reason. It happens all the time.

Thanks for that irrelevant backpedal.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 10, 2013 - 08:43pm PT
Thanks Ed for the mild critique and elaboration of past avenues of inquiry.

Yes, i noticed the degree of uncertainty in the posted paper, but hey just add words like propose and unknown to the other qualifiers so prevalent in the literature. It's about time for the science and scientists to admit that there is much more unknown than known as far as mechanisms and effects regulating natural and the "proposed" anthropogenic climate change.

A few thoughts- we orbit in an outer spiral arm 30,000 light years (presently ?) from the core of an elliptical galaxy, no? The center is tremendously energetic, probably ruling out life near it, so since our orbit is elliptical it stands to reason that the 30,000 light year figure is highly variable and our position in the orbit regulates the degree of GCR flux as much as anything else. Where are we in the orbit in current time, anyone know?

Yes Ed, i'd read a synopsis' of the CLOUD paper. Svensmark has also performed more of his own experiments and see's positives as well as negatives in the CLOUD data as pertaining to his hypothesis. And what do you know, China is helping more than anyone else in keeping us cool by the negative feedback provided by their abundant release's of pollutants. Is Dr. F going to have to reverse engineer the LA air?

Getting back to Venus, does anyone know why the density of it's atmosphere is so much greater than Earth's. What keeps all that aloft yet bound to the planet rather than escaping to space? Mars has an atmosphere that has an even higher ratio of CO2 than Venus yet an atmosphere quite a bit thinner than Earth's-what is the physics responsible for the three planets difference in atmospheric density? I have a pretty good idea but lack the expertise for accurate verbal description.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 10, 2013 - 08:47pm PT
the academy doesn't admit those into its ranks who do not produce scholarly work at a high standard (as judged by the people in the discipline), do not perform service in the interest of the academy, do not reach a high standard of instruction (also as judged by the academy).

Thus all those "tenured" skeptic climate science professors that I posted as well as the many out there, are ALL pretty much on the up and up.

Correct EDH??

And, their credibility, or lack of in this case, is not at all as you and the others keep claiming.

At least according to your last post.

monolith

climber
SF bay area
Oct 10, 2013 - 08:47pm PT
Earth, Venus, Mars.
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