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WBraun

climber
Apr 8, 2014 - 08:41pm PT
Does this mean that the "Chief" is right all along????

The Heartland Institute says more than 30 scientists served as authors and reviewers for the new report,
which it claims cites more than 1,000 peer-reviewed studies supporting the belief that climate change is not detrimental to the biosphere.


The panel of scientists says human impact on the global climate is small,
changing temperatures are within a historic scope of temperature variables and there is no net harm to human health of the production of food.

However, scientists are questioning the credibility of the NIPCC’s findings.

“Mostly it’s a bunch of old, retired guys that got together and wrote a report for the Heartland Institute that is basically full of misinformation,”

Quack ......
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Apr 9, 2014 - 12:35am PT
Building 7.

Quack quack.

DMT
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 9, 2014 - 06:38pm PT
Meanwhile, look what some of the smarty pantses over at the Navy did

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/07/1290380/-Navy-lab-makes-gasoline-from-seawater-as-low-as-3-per-gallon

Too bad Chris Farely isn't still alive to play Ford.

Quack ......

Excellent summary of the Heartland Institutes report.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Apr 10, 2014 - 10:22am PT

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/04/08/fox_news_leading_cable_news_network_is_usually_wrong_about_climate_change.html
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Apr 11, 2014 - 12:25am PT
Here’s a look at four nations that environmental researchers say are taking significant, measurable steps in mitigating greenhouse gases.
Germany, Denmark, Brazil, China
For one thing, China generates less pollution per person than most other industrialized nations. What’s more, the country has made a colossal investment in green energy.

“China is rapidly becoming the largest producer of renewable energy technology,” says Matthew Hoffmann, a professor at the University of Toronto who specializes in global environmental governance.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/climate-change-4-countries-that-are-fighting-the-trend-1.2593219
raymond phule

climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 09:54am PT
Sketch, cant you calculate the CO2 pollution per capita for USA and China? It would also be interesting to see the cumulative C02 pollution from for example 1950.
raymond phule

climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 11:59am PT

That doesn't change the fact that China's CO2 output has increased tenfold since 1970... or that it's tripled since Anthopogenic Global Warming became an international issue.

So China shouldn't be allowed to live like we do in the western world because their economical development started to late? They should be forced to only use more expensive renewable energy for their much lower energy use when the western world really don't do much to limit our pollution?

It is of course going to be a problem in the long run but I think that it is obvious that countries like China, India and all other poor countries want to live like we do in the western world in many regards. How can we argue that they shouldn't be allowed to live like us without being extreme hypocrites?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Apr 11, 2014 - 12:03pm PT
So China shouldn't be allowed to live like we do in the western world because their economical development started to late? They should be forced to only use more expensive renewable energy for their much lower energy use when the western world really don't do much to limit our pollution?

Yep!

DMT
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 11, 2014 - 12:25pm PT
Germany is building coal fired power plants as fast as they can.

I bet they could build them faster. The problem with you idiots is you see no problem with hyperbole... if German is building ANY coal fired plants, they must be building them as fast as they can.


For a whole week coal, nuclear and gas power plants had to generate an estimated 95 percent of Germany’s electricity supply

Wow, really, a whole week? Gee wiz!

Great graphic there from whatsupwithidiots showing all the coal plants Germany is supposedly planning to build... too bad they have NOTHING to back it up... no source of where they got the information... just another empty bullshit claim from an empty bullshit website.
raymond phule

climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 12:48pm PT

I'm not saying emerging markets shouldn't be able to build their own economic engines. But by doing so they are significantly contributing to atmospheric CO2 levels. So let's not make a bunch of bullsh!t rationalizations to excuse the fact that they are crapping all over the environment.

Just because they remained undeveloped for most of the last century, that doesn't give them a pass on this global issue.

No they shouldn't be given a pass but the fact still is that the average American pollute more than twice as much CO2 as the average Chinese.

The western world is still the part of the world that crap all over the environment the most.

It really doesn't make any sense if developing countries should need to follow rules bases on percent of their current pollution.
raymond phule

climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 01:08pm PT

Using that logic, most poor people in the US have nothing to complain about, considering they're better off than most people on the planet.

Or is silly to compare a family in LA, getting by on $10K per year, to a family in Rwanda with the same income?

Not the same logic.
raymond phule

climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 01:14pm PT

You are still one of them Western World polluting pig Americans.

Negative

and I don't understand why that should make any difference for my arguments.
raymond phule

climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 01:20pm PT

Riiight.

And it's only hypocrisy when the other guy is doing it.

I don't even understand what you mean...
raymond phule

climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 01:32pm PT
blah blah blah

The Chief, you know nothing about me. Absolutely nothing.

I am also much more for political solutions (communism like carbon tax, subventions etc) than saying that people should live in caves. Everybody need to do their share if something is going to change.
raymond phule

climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 01:40pm PT

Everybody!!


How are you going to MAKE everybody do their share?

Start taxing the shet outta of the POOR that have no MONEY!!!

I believe that you could understand how to do it if you looked out from your cave.
raymond phule

climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 01:49pm PT
I don't really understand what you try to say...

That politicians don't want to make unpopular decisions today do not imply that they are not going to made those decisions in the future and it is definitely no reason to just give up.

CO2 is about energy use and energy use are not going change in major ways without changing the rules of the game with politics.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Apr 11, 2014 - 01:53pm PT
Trust these idiotIic climate commies with the fruits of our labors and restriction of our freedom; I don't think so.The science is a crock of shet- a means to the instigators ends. Only a brain dead fool like Phoole or Bruce would cooperate to their own detriment without tangible connection to reality.

raymond phule

climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 02:03pm PT

Trust these idiotIic climate commies with the fruits of our labors and restriction of our freedom; I don't think so.The science is a crock of shet- a means to the instigators ends. Only a brain dead fool like Phoole or Bruce would cooperate to their own detriment without tangible connection to reality.

I am finally convinced. Nice argument the use of degenerate terms just show how much you know and that you should be trusted.


raymond phule

climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 02:43pm PT

That's how it is with a lot of hypocrites. They're unwilling to consider their own double standards.

Sorry, but I don't follow what you are saying. Why am I a hypocrite? In what way were your logic example the same as what I said?
raymond phule

climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 03:14pm PT

Using that logic, most poor people in the US have nothing to complain about, considering they're better off than most people on the planet.

Strange logic. They could of course have something to complain about even though other people have more to complain about.


Or is silly to compare a family in LA, getting by on $10K per year, to a family in Rwanda with the same income?

This one is even stranger because the worth of money is different in different parts of the world.

My point was how to consider a change from a low baseline and the importance to consider the per capita value, neither of your example show anything similar.
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