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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Feb 14, 2014 - 12:13pm PT
bump to get a fresh um bombed page
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Feb 14, 2014 - 12:13pm PT
bump to get a fresh um bombed page
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Feb 14, 2014 - 12:14pm PT
clean page.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Feb 14, 2014 - 12:18pm PT
I see no problem with fortmental's way of illustrating the impact of our coal usage.

I see no problem with discussing the impact of these huge solar projects.

I see no problem with pointing out the kill rates of clean energy Altamont Pass wind power.

If you can't take the heat, stay out of the Mojave.

Thanks Fort, for the images. Hope you post more.

Gonna have to go nuclear, I'm afraid.

DMT
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Feb 14, 2014 - 12:20pm PT
I appreciate someone smart enough NOT TO blow the damm page up to where it wont even load. And FART MENTAL failed that one. Time and time again.

And he talks about everyone else being dumb.. GUFFAW.!





Edit: so where oh where will the next solar plants be, oh wher oh where will they BE~~~


Salton Sea?

Death Valley would be a HUGE one,, screw the race tracks.

How about FRESNOHWW!?


And of course, Ridgecrest, More in the Mohave, Lancaster etc. Then up Norff you can take some of the sutter bypass areas that are dry,, and lots of room round Lassen state park as its just volcanic rock.

But birding may become a rare event.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 14, 2014 - 12:24pm PT
Ron, I'm pretty sure that was no mistake. But I digress.
I was hoping Ed would chime in on the fusion experiment just announced.
That should save the tortoises, shouldn't it?
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Feb 14, 2014 - 12:25pm PT

Expecting the Unexpected: Abrupt Climate Change
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Feb 14, 2014 - 12:25pm PT
Reilly,,,You mean the one that has received a "big fat F" for the efforts in recent years, and is not even close to anything viable after billions invested?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 14, 2014 - 12:33pm PT
No, Ron, this one actually worked. But it does appear highly unlikely it
will bear fruit any time soon. But it only took 46 years to go from the
Wright Flyer to Chuck Yeager's X-1 and technology advances at a much faster
rate these days. I bet there is a working fusion reactor in 20 years.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Feb 14, 2014 - 12:35pm PT
Uhh Reilly Yes it "worked" but at a micro level. And that same project has indeed received "big fat F's" in recent years.


Now of course, we did go from things like the bell X-1 to landing men on the moon, but it was also completed by using SLIDE rules lol! And a ton of common sense. France fer petes sake is ahead of us in power production..
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Feb 14, 2014 - 07:52pm PT
weather doesn't prove anything about the climate...except when climate change faithful decide it does:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2014/02/13/cbs-blames-global-warming-harsh-winter-weather


wait, are we going back to global warming?
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Feb 14, 2014 - 08:03pm PT
I would like somebody to explain the physics of solar farms warming the earth.

Look into the earths energy budget while you are at it .

http://energy.gov/articles/photo-week-ivanpah-solar

Please note how much we paid for it.

And for those who do not know.

http://www.nrel.gov/solar/
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Feb 14, 2014 - 08:16pm PT
Everything around you comes from some sort of extractive industry. All of your metals, including the pennies in your pocket, the metal in your car, your bicycle, everything.

The energy powering your computer probably comes from coal, although there are some "clean" things such as hydro, but they involve damming beautiful river canyons.

When talking about energy, you must admit this. I have yet to meet a person who lives totally off of the grid, in a total sense. Even a pocket knife involves metals and energy to make and ship.

Sure, mines are ugly, but nobody takes a picture of a city and calls it horrible, when in fact, our increasing population and economy are directly tied to our use of energy and metals.

This issue isn't about how ugly mountain top mining is, or why or why not we need the Keystone Pipeling or Fracking.

The best thing you can do for the environment is to cut your balls off.

That is why I think that we are screwed. We are still a very tribal species, and we will never be able to change our habits without a total 180 from some new energy technology. Sure, we can decrease our emissions, but pretty much nobody will eliminate ALL of their direct or indirect emissions.

This thread is dead. All we have is some loonies posting pilfered charts from right wing websites, and a couple of people with a little intelligence beating their heads against a wall by arguing with them. It will never end.

For instance, people are all worried about the keystone pipeline leaking into the Ogallala Aquifer. This is a silly argument. A land pipeline spill is going to be contained to a small area. At the same time, farmers are sucking the aquifer dry and polluting it by their use of fertilizers. I live a few miles north of an area where the groundwater is undrinkable by pregnant women due to nitrate pollution. The nitrates are from fertilizer on the crops.

Right now I am out on a drilling rig in western Kansas. An oil well takes up a tiny area. All around us there are center-pivot irrigation operations. You know, the pretty green circles you see when flying over the plains states.

A large amount of pollution comes from lawn treatments and farming. You will never see an environmentalist bitching about farming, but farming takes virgin prairie and converts it to a one-species (often genetically altered) non natural operation. There is very little tallgrass or short grass prairie left that hasn't felt the nibbles of cows or the carving of the plow.

Humans make a big impact on this planet now. Is that sustainable?

No.

If you understand the nature of the exponential function then you will understand that any growth is non sustainable. It is a mathematical proof.

I have no solution to offer. I assume that mother nature will take its course.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 14, 2014 - 08:23pm PT
We will pay the price of not heeding Malthus, or Nostradamus.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Feb 14, 2014 - 08:23pm PT
"I have no solutions to offer."

Well understood BASE.

But how's about Working towards some.

Why that is chastised is beyond me.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Feb 14, 2014 - 09:38pm PT
Credit: wilbeer
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Feb 14, 2014 - 09:40pm PT
"The best thing you can do for the environment is to cut your balls off". Well said Base. Actually ,I think there are municipalities on the right and left coasts that require their insurers to provide such "Lola" benefits already. Now if the progressives worldwide would just have enough courage to volunteer themselves for mass post partum abortions we could get a handle on this percieved sustainability problem. This thread is dead, skepticism has rightfully prevailed.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Feb 14, 2014 - 09:49pm PT
BASE, that was a damn fine post. Spot on!

You're a good egg.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Feb 14, 2014 - 10:02pm PT
What the hell are you talking about, Rick?

Seriously. Does anyone here understand the nature of an annual growth percentage?

OK. This lecture is math. It has nothing to do with politics, but what it means has EVERYTHING to do with the human race.

Everyone should watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=umFnrvcS6AQ
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 14, 2014 - 11:03pm PT
All your years of personally demeaning anyone here that disagreed with you


It's The Irony Chef Show.
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