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The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 30, 2013 - 08:44pm PT
You do realize GARY that those dudes hanging off the bridge were each EX-DELTA and SEAL Operators. Combined having over 34 years Active Duty and some 22 years actual Combat time. Working Private Security Escort for Blackwater and their deaths initiated one of the fiercest battles in the Iraqi war. The Battle for Fallujah. They were there killing bad guys as Mercs. Fact. Way different than the avg 122,000 or so Haliburton, ITT etc contractor.



The 60 or so merc Private Sec Contractor Co's both in Iraq and Afghanville consisted of over 95% ex DELTA, SEAL and PARA-RESCUE Operators that in order to get hired on, had to have a min of 4 actual Operating tours in country prior to their employment. Tons of dudes left the DOD for these Sec jobs. The money was ten times better and they had no US gov't regulators overseeing their ops. They could what they damn well pleased.



But once again, your complete ignorance shines.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Oct 30, 2013 - 08:49pm PT
So, they were still contractors.

And they were not the only contractors to die in Iraq.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_private_contractor_deaths_in_Iraq
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 30, 2013 - 08:57pm PT
Yeah, the bulk of those 257 US deaths were Mercs or EOD/Mercs.

Anyone that considers a MERC on the same lines as a basic DOD "Haliburton" Contractor is an ignorant fool.

But then you Mono wouldn't know the difference in your cush Bay Area liberal existence.

Once again, the old semantic play on words that you all are all sooooo good at.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Oct 30, 2013 - 09:00pm PT
Glad that you learned that even non-merc contractors were killed in Iraq, and many more injured.

You are making good progress, Chief.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 30, 2013 - 09:05pm PT
Compared to your neighbor next door that died in uniform for chump change compared to six figure salary the avg US PMC received, the numbers are nothing.

42 Non-Merc/Security American Contractors compared to 4400 plus Uniformed deaths.

BFD.

A Senior Chief I once worked for made some $2.2 Million as a lead mechanic/quality assurance rep for both Beechcraft and Bell there in Iraq over a six and half year time period. He told me it was the easiest money he ever made. As was the case with most PMC's in Iraq and Afghanville according to him.


Well over $190+ billion dollars was wasted on PMC's in Iraq. Most of the positions they filled were in the past done by active duty DOD personal. Majority of them PMC's were Union as well. 60 Minutes did a couple of their shows on that incredible waste of money.

That's the government for ya.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Oct 30, 2013 - 10:37pm PT
Rick Poedtke wrote:
You do realize GARY that those dudes hanging off the bridge were each EX-DELTA and SEAL Operators. Combined having over 34 years Active Duty and some 22 years actual Combat time. Working Private Security Escort for Blackwater and their deaths initiated one of the fiercest battles in the Iraqi war.

Were they contractors, Rick?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 31, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
For well over 1000 years the Roman Catholic Church dictated that JC was God and that any manner of salvation in the after life was through believing in him and the RC Church. ...

That was the 100% CONSENSUS of the rule amongst 100's of millions of humans for a long ass time.

WE today know a little better. Don't we PHOOOLE.


This CAGW issue is no different. Not one bit. To say that it is complete ego based BS!


Wow, now The Chief is saying there is no difference between religious belief and science.


Just pointing out who you're trying to "debate."
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Oct 31, 2013 - 04:27pm PT
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Oct 31, 2013 - 04:36pm PT
Obviously Sketch has not learned to read Science. Presumably that study was flagged for him by one of his bloggers, who spun it for him as something against ACC.
raymond phule

climber
Oct 31, 2013 - 04:38pm PT
It was posted two hours ago at "whats up with that"
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Oct 31, 2013 - 04:43pm PT
It was posted two hours ago at "whats up with that"

Ah but of course! Sketch our bright light.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Oct 31, 2013 - 05:03pm PT
Go thru the vid Sketch and you will see that they don't disagree with the global surface temp reconstructions for that time as well. They are saying the ocean may have a larger buffering effect for warming than we think. That just means we may have a little more time than we thought.

They also say that unusual things are happening, so they are not sure whether we will be helped or hurt by this buffering, as it may turn on us at some point.

And if you don't just cherry pick the paper, then you must also agree with the researchers that the recent ocean warming is happening at an unprecedented rate during the Holocene and is caused by man.


http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/10/31/10000-year-study-finds-oceans-warming-fast-but-from-a-cool-baseline/?_r=0

A quote from the article Sketch did not think was relevant:

“We’re experimenting by putting all this heat in the ocean without quite knowing how it’s going to come back out and affect climate,” said study coauthor Braddock Linsley, a climate scientist at Columbia University’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory. “It’s not so much the magnitude of the change, but the rate of change.”

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 31, 2013 - 06:47pm PT


http://www.thepiratescove.us/2013/10/31/defunct-obama-green-company-leaves-toxic-mess/
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Oct 31, 2013 - 06:51pm PT
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Oct 31, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
Hey Tenth Grade Teapartier,Did you realize that every one of those compounds involved in making Solar panels is/are recyclable.

That means those compounds are not sprayed into our atmosphere and diluted into our water,instead can be reused to build more solar panels.

Just did not think into it that deep,aye?

Yeah just go with FF's,They are actually good for the planet.







THIS IS THE KIND OF SH#T ONE MUST DEAL WITH HERE,REAL SOUND THINKING.
juneclimber

Sport climber
june lake, ca
Oct 31, 2013 - 08:36pm PT

Credit: juneclimber

Or, was is it...

Credit: juneclimber
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 31, 2013 - 09:12pm PT
It's interesting, juneclimber, where you get your news.
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Nov 1, 2013 - 01:14am PT
So far so good. Another year coming to an end with no climate change disasters.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Nov 1, 2013 - 06:52am PT
if you can attach a rocket to the proper sized asteroid and steer it to earth, you can create the right sized dust cloud,

aim it for LA and you can fix two things for the price of one,
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Nov 1, 2013 - 07:09am PT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhaust_gas


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_exhaust


All of these chemicals go directly in to our atmosphere,they are not recycled.

Ever wonder why one cannot find exactly what gasoline exhaust puts in to the air and water ,but conversely you can find what Diesel exhaust does rather easily?
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