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Ron Anderson

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Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HRKRNH
Sep 27, 2013 - 04:09pm PT
There ya go Chiloe,, with a 4 degr3ee raise, the world will be out on the streets yelling maddly at each other (more CO2) and thus engage in fighting all over that predicted 4 degree temp and the world as we know it will end...
Its going to be about ten degrees warmer today for a high! I guess i should go out and kill a few folks cuz "GW" made me do it..
~~~~Its the end of the world as we know it,, its the end of the world and you know it,,its the end of the world as we know it and i feeeeeel fine~~~~

Gym climber
Sep 27, 2013 - 04:31pm PT
The IPCC SPM is our top story today, but science continues on many other fronts as well. I just picked up the 13 Sep issue of Science and noticed these articles:
Yep, gotta keep the gravy train rollin!

SF bay area
Sep 27, 2013 - 04:49pm PT
Yea, Chief, that's the latest 'hiatus' in surface air temps. I knew you could find it. Anderson said it was being hidden.

Doesn't look very significant, in light of the total picture, does it?

We'll have more periods of 'hiatus', each higher than the next.

I take it you couldn't find a 'hiatus' in ocean heat content?

Ron Anderson

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Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HRKRNH
Sep 27, 2013 - 04:53pm PT
Oooo Dont forget OBESITY the "disease" shall spread like the wild fires over GW too! A "study" spawned right here on ST by yours truly! I shall apply for a million dollar grant to study phat folks now..If i put "green" in the name im sure im in like flint.
The Chief

From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 27, 2013 - 05:07pm PT
Well MONO. in the same context of time as you keep posting in the above graph, the HIATUS is indeed significant.


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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 27, 2013 - 05:09pm PT
Now that the latest is out from the IPCC, skeptics will have less and less right-wing propaganda to gag on, seeing that all their arguments have been handily dispelled by real science.

But the stalwart denialists will keep on, no matter what I suppose. If they haven't gagged on the spin by now, they they will form by the tens to defend their right to deny science, its methods, and anybody that prescribes to the idea that man can have an influence on our environment.

But for those who have open minds and are able to understand how the scientific process works, the case is closed. The only problem is that the fossil-fuel industry has million$ to pour into the minds of those who are easily brainwashed by propaganda, and the voices that tell them what they want to hear.

While this thread will undoubtedly continue with the likes of Chief-Loud-Mouth and the others who pretend they want to understand, we should move the real debate on to possible solutions.

So have at it guys, keep up your impeccable work of denying what hard science has to offer you, and demeaning those who actually care about our future.

SF bay area
Sep 27, 2013 - 05:12pm PT
Yep Chief, we've had them before, we'll have them again.

Each at the end of a warming period, like the record 97/98 El-Nino you guys like to start your 'hiatus' from.

Let us know when ocean heat content takes a 'hiatus'.

Bruce Kay

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Sep 27, 2013 - 05:37pm PT
You miss the point Fortmental and others. What I get out of Otto et al and other recent reassessments....

all very well Rick but you have yet to provide a case for anyone to give a flying fuk what you think about anything other than installing siding.

Jus sayin"

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honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 27, 2013 - 05:47pm PT
Bruce,I really do not want to know how Rick puts up siding,either.If he actually really has.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
Sep 27, 2013 - 07:23pm PT
Damn. Are you serious? That sounds desperately grim.

I always thought his life was a bit like this:

Or is that just how he gets to the bingo hall?

OK we'll leave him alone. Its that other Rick we're really after anyway. You know, prfessor Sumners.

Sep 28, 2013 - 08:12am PT
One of the most wasteful ways to spend one's time and energy is being reasonable to unreasonable people.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
Sep 28, 2013 - 12:43pm PT
An excellent article in the National Post with direct relevance to this thread. I dare Chuff.....

Oh forget about him..... I dare Rick Sumners and Ron Anderson to read this article and consider how it is relevant to their strong and certain belief about AGW in relation to their very poor grasp of the science.

It has to do with that humilty stuff again.....

A sampler:

“The feeling of knowing is a sensation, it’s not an actual rational conclusion that people come up with,” says Robert A. Burton, a neurologist and author of A Skeptic’s Guide to the Mind: What Neuroscience Can and Cannot Tell Us About Ourselves.

People believe they have consciously swum through the logic and deduced the evidence to come to their ‘knowing-ness,’ Dr. Burton says. But their feeling of knowing actually comes from their unconscious — processes of the mind that happen automatically.

That feeling of knowing — that desire or need to know — depends on many factors, he says: a person’s personality, biological makeup and socialization. (If you were raised by know-it-all parents who rewarded the right answer, then guess what brings validation later in life?)

And it may be that it could become an addiction, he says, the know-it-all’s high. The same area of the brain lights up when a person takes drugs or gambles — the same neurons in the reward pathway of the brain shoot dopamine into the prefrontal cortex, amygdala and nucleus accumbens, he says. The dopamine heightens the feeling of pleasure.

Based on experience, I don't expect you to regard any of this stuff with anything but dismissive contempt and maybe a self gratifying comment about "psycho babble" being beneath your dignity, but if you do in fact think that psycho babble is a factor here - which you do, considering your accusations of our suffering from it - then you must read it and you must discuss it.

Discuss it. Get it? You know, consider others ideas and form your own, provide elements of validation, evolve, grow....... become a member of civilized society.

Thats right chuff, not for you.

Oh... I forgot about our star phantom post -and-run lurker and firmly established wise man Werner. We eagerly look forward to your sage commentary and perhaps even engagement in discussion.

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 28, 2013 - 08:35pm PT

Sep 29, 2013 - 12:47am PT

Humor only a flat earth, regressive, illiterate tea bagging dipshit would find humorous.

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 30, 2013 - 08:25pm PT

Sport climber
Sep 30, 2013 - 09:01pm PT
Man made climate change is impossible and throwing spoiled brat tantrums will not ever change that fact.


Sep 30, 2013 - 09:05pm PT
Man made climate change is impossible

No no not true.

When man misbehaves climate changes.

Nature forces man to behave.

Stupid man is always subordinate to Nature.

Now start behaving ......

Sep 30, 2013 - 09:42pm PT
Man made climate change is impossible and throwing spoiled brat tantrums will not ever change that fact.


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Albuquerque, NM
Oct 1, 2013 - 12:24am PT
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Gee, I just noticed that Rick Sumner isn't one of the expert reviewers....

What gives, Dr. Sumner?
rick sumner

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Oct 1, 2013 - 01:14am PT
Dr. Sumner is in repose, studying incoming data in search of real world trends. Unlike you "model cultists", i'll put my faith in facts-actual scientifically documented observations. Alaska just finished its shortest summer on record, Siberia likewise and abnormally cold, upper latitude Europe's glaciers are again growing and they are about to slip into the sixth severe winter in a row, Antartic ice mass is increasing while the circular winds and currents contribute to it's decreasing temps, the Arctic has 60% more (multi year by definition since its thickness will only increase over winter) ice than last years fluke melt season, South America is coming off a historically cold and severe winter that saw hundreds of thousands of livestock losses and hundreds of people killed,the cold sun will soon go into a deep minumum unwitnessed in modern times, the PDO and AMO are in negative phase, China and the developing world are releasing hitherto unseen amounts of reflective aerosol pollution, volcanism is above average, the IPCC just self immolated but the doomsday cult cheerleaders are just to dense to discern the smoke from the imagined vapors of their mythical feedbacks. The globe is in a cooling trend ladies and gentlemen. The climate will never conform to your sick fantasies.

Ed, what the hell you are you doing man? Forget about this global warming madness, let's get out there and put up some new obscure climbs that nobody will ever care about let alone repeat.
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