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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 27, 2013 - 12:16pm PT
That would RELLY help you out B...
FortMentäl

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Sep 27, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
you must go beyond those giving the opinions to see where those opinions came from

In case you missed it the first time:


1 french politician who believes asbestos to be harmless (Allegre);

1 former president of research at Exxon Corporation (Edward David);
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1 retired Exxon Executive (Roger W Cohen);
- 1 forecasting and marketing expert. Has no peer-reviewed papers published on climate science nor on polar bear populations, subject on which he testified nevertheless before US Congress (Armstrong);
- 1 medical doctor specializing in atherosclerotic disease (Breslow);

1 physicist who has specialized in the study of optics and spectroscopy and who is affiliated with multiple industry (= oil, gas, etc.) funded think-tanks and organizations (ie, Director of the Marshall Institute, Director at the Richard Lounsbery Foundation [which funded Fred Singer's SEPP science denial organization] (Happer);

1 Consultant on Science and Technology Policy, who has never published any peer-reviewed studies on climate science. Former staff member at the Richard Lounsbery Foundation (Nichols);

1 professor of Technology who specialized “electronic structure of metals and semiconductors” (Kelly);

1 professor of chemistry who specializes in polymers and carbon fibers (McGrath);

1 former director of the Royal Dutch Meteorological Service and Professor of Aeronautical Engineering specialized in turbulence. Has written many non-peer reviewed articles on Fred Singer’s site. No peer-reviewed articles known (Tennekes);

1 professor of astrophysics who believes the sun is the primary driver of climate change (Shaviv);

1 aeronautical engineer who has never published any peer-reviewed paper on climate science (Rutan);

1 former astronaut who has never published any peer-reviewed paper on climate science and is Emeritus Chair of the ExxonMobil funded Annapolis Center for Science-Based Public Policy(Schmitt);

1 retired meteorologist. Despite his lack of knowledge, he published a book on climate science via the Lavoisier Group which has a known anti-climate science stance (Kininmonth);

1 nuclear physicist with no known peer reviewed publications on climate science (Zichichi);

1 climate scientists who in the past has taken money from the oil industry and is listed as ‘Expert’ at the industry funded Heartland Institute (Lindzen);

Source here
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 27, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
OK Ron, here's the AR5 WG1 Summary:

http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/uploads/WGIAR5-SPM_Approved27Sep2013.pdf

These are not opinions, but scientific facts.


Look at the charts towards the end, you know, the pretty pictures.

They depict a sad, but true, story.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 27, 2013 - 12:24pm PT
And now for something completely different:

Treatment[edit source]

ASPD is considered to be among the most difficult personality disorders to treat.[38][39][verification needed] Because of their very low or absent capacity for remorse, individuals with ASPD often lack sufficient motivation and fail to see the costs associated with antisocial acts.[38] They may only simulate remorse rather than truly commit to change: they can be seductively charming and dishonest, and may manipulate staff and fellow patients during treatment.[40][verification needed] Studies have shown that outpatient therapy is not likely to be successful, however the extent to which persons with ASPD are entirely unresponsive to treatment may have been exaggerated.[41]

Those with ASPD may stay in treatment only as required by an external source, such as a parole......Residential programs that provide a carefully controlled environment of structure and supervision along with peer confrontation have been recommended.[38] There has been some research on the treatment of ASPD that indicated positive results for therapeutic interventions.[44] Some studies have found that the presence of ASPD does not significantly interfere with treatment for other disorders, such as substance abuse,[45] although others have reported contradictory findings.[46]

Therapists of individuals with ASPD may have considerable negative feelings toward clients with extensive histories of aggressive, exploitative, and abusive behaviors.[38] Rather than attempt to develop a sense of conscience in these individuals, therapeutic techniques should be focused on rational and utilitarian arguments against repeating past mistakes. These approaches would focus on the tangible, material value of prosocial behavior.[47]


Hmmmm......

....Residential programs that provide a carefully controlled environment of structure and supervision along with peer confrontation have been recommended.

I wonder if Stupor torpor could be considered a residential program? Either way Chuff, apparently peer confrontation is recommended and should continue....
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 27, 2013 - 12:32pm PT
The trend is downwards. Here is an abstract of a paper not considered in AR5, one of many, pointing the way of the future as the climate sensitivity to CO2 is revised downwards. Does anyone seriously doubt that the IPCC will soon be relic of a past wrong turn?

http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/abs/ot03100r.html

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 27, 2013 - 12:33pm PT
M R DUCKS

M R NOT

O S A R, SEE EM WANGS

L I B

M R DUCKS...




QUACK!!!!!
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 27, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
KMAN
Because the Final Draft has yet to be released, it's fallacy






KMAN, WTF is this then???




http://www.ipcc.ch/


UN releases AR5 climate science report

http://www.rtcc.org/2013/09/27/live-ipcc-blog-un-releases-ar5-climate-science-report/
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 27, 2013 - 12:37pm PT
Here in MOUNDHOUSE NV, this am there was ice on the truck. It snowed on Virginia City yesterday . Global warming?? Not in NV...
FortMentäl

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Sep 27, 2013 - 12:39pm PT
we find that the global energy budget implies a range of values for the equilibrium climate sensitivity that is in agreement with earlier estimates, within the limits of uncertainty.

Rick....do you not read the stuff you link to? Or is reading just "not that important"?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 27, 2013 - 12:53pm PT
Rick....do you not read the stuff you link to? Or is reading just "not that important"?

Reading is very important to Rick. It puts him to sleep at night and at the same time acquires him his Phd from the U of Wassilla Bar And Grill.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 27, 2013 - 12:54pm PT
Read it all Fortmental. Don't just cherry pick one sentence.

"The energy budget of the most recent decade does, however, indicate a lower range of values for the more policy-relevant transient climate response ( the temperature increase at the point of doubling of the atmospheric CO2 concentration following a linear ramp of increasing greenhouse gas forcing) than the range obtained by either analyzing the energy budget of earlier decades or the current climate model simulations"

Downward is the trend my friends.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Sep 27, 2013 - 12:56pm PT
For grownups, Rahmstorf has posted a summary of the summary (AR5 SPM) over at RealClimate. Watch for some interesting and often well-informed discussion there over the next days, as readers bring up questions.

Conclusion

The new IPCC report gives no reason for complacency – even if politically motivated “climate skeptics” have tried to give this impression ahead of its release with frantic PR activities. Many wrong things have been written which now collapse in the light of the actual report.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 27, 2013 - 12:59pm PT
Rick - here is a little light reading for you.

http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html


cherry pick all you want. Chuff couldn't possibly have all these character traits.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 27, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
"a large part of the warming by 2100 shall be irreversible" WHA??


They must have one hella big CRYSTAL BALL eh?

Yes they now SPEAK FOR MOTHER NATURE...

That report is full of VOODOO,, it is...Talk about ARROGANCE! BWUUUAHAHAHA!
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 27, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
Rahmstorf has posted a summary of the summary (AR5 SPM) over at RealClimate.

Truly an UNBIAS PRO AGW BLOG. Thanks Larry.


NOT one Word of the confirmed Hiatus by the IPCC AR5 SPM "Summary for Policymakers" in his to date "Summary" post on his blog! Not one LARRY.

http://www.realclimate.org/


Why not LARRY?

 The long-term climate model simulations show a trend in global-mean surface temperature from 1951 to 2012 that agrees with the observed trend (very high confidence). There are, however, differences between simulated and observed trends over periods as short as 10 to 15 years (e.g., 1998 to 2012). {9.4, Box 9.2}

The observed reduction in surface warming trend over the period 1998–2012 as compared to the period 1951–2012, is due in roughly equal measure to a reduced trend in radiative forcing and a cooling contribution from internal variability, which includes a possible redistribution of heat within the ocean (medium confidence). The reduced trend in radiative forcing is primarily due to volcanic eruptions and the timing of the downward phase of the 11-year solar cycle.
However, there is low confidence in quantifying the role of changes in radiative forcing in causing the reduced warming trend. There is medium confidence that internal decadal variability causes to a substantial degree the difference between observations and the simulations; the latter are not expected to reproduce the timing of internal variability. There may also be a contribution from forcing inadequacies and, in some models, an overestimate of the response to increasing greenhouse gas and other anthropogenic forcing (dominated by the
effects of aerosols).
{9.4, Box 9.2, 10.3, Box 10.2, 11.3}
http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/uploads/WGIAR5-SPM_Approved27Sep2013.pdf
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 27, 2013 - 01:32pm PT
It is really painful to see Rong, Rick, and Chuff try to sound relevant when they discuss science... like a bunch of 2 year olds who only know two words, "why" and "no." Can't we just go back to name calling and personal insults? At least they know how to do that.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 27, 2013 - 01:37pm PT
Really, Chief, not one word on the 'hiatus'?


Those who have these data before their eyes can recognise immediately how misguided the big media attention for the “wiggles” of the curves towards the end has been. Short-term variations like this have always existed, and they always will.


The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 27, 2013 - 01:42pm PT
Here are some interesting notes from the AR5 "Report" that are a reversal from the AR4's "projections".

In the Antarctic, a decrease in sea ice extent and volume is projected with low confidence for the end of the 21st century as global mean surface temperature rises. {12.4}

Increases in intense tropical cyclone activity Low confidence in long term (centennial) changes Virtually certain in North Atlantic since 1970
{2.6}Low confidence (i){10.6}Low confidence

Increases in intensity and/or duration of drought Low confidence on a global scale Likely changes in some regions (d){2.6}Low confidence {10.6}
Low confidence (g)

More to come as I find them.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 27, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
You missed one dipsh#t. This is the one most people in the west, especially those who like to eat food and drink water, should be looking to mitigate:

There is very high confidence that the extent of Northern Hemisphere snow cover has decreased since the mid-20th century (see Figure SPM.3). Northern Hemisphere snow cover extent decreased 1.6 [0.8 to 2.4] % per decade for March and April, and 11.7 [8.8 to 14.6] % per decade for June, over the 1967–2012 period. During this period, snow cover extent in the Northern Hemisphere did not show a statistically significant increase in any month. {4.5}

Yes, the Chuff will search the entire report for "low confidence" as soon as it is available and gleefully post them up here, despite being completely clueless as to what any of it means.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 27, 2013 - 02:13pm PT
Nope!

Searched for REVISIONS from the AR4 KidPhD!


Dah??


The ones I noted played heavily in the AR4 "Summary for Policy Makers". They now show a whole different story.
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