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raymond phule

climber
Oct 10, 2013 - 04:18pm PT

In other words.... you have no idea why he was fired.

In other words... your answer to my post was not relevant to the point I made.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 10, 2013 - 04:20pm PT
When I teach hydrology or math I always make it a point to discuss how organized religion is part of a huge global conspiracy designed to concentrate power in the hands of white supremacists.

This of course is at your local PUPPY CLASS correct?


I would really like to know what institution your are teaching at that allows this type of bullshet racists mentality on their faculty.



EDH:


So in regards to this tenured protocol within our institutions of higher education, if a certain "tenured" professor is teaching a totally bogus curriculum, has a openly racist attitude like WESBOYPHD's above, the institutions Board of Reagents just turns a blind eye and allows that individual to remain on active faculty?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Oct 10, 2013 - 04:22pm PT
What is ad hom about guessing you have no experience in higher education?

People pay for instruction in a particular subject, and OSU ain't cheap. Nobody who pays for a chemistry class should accept some nutjob's rant about global conspiracies as a substitute. Besides, I know faculty who have taught at institutions for longer than 10 years who were let go for no apparent reason. It happens all the time... something you and all the bloggers you rely on are clearly unaware of.


I would really like to know what institution your are teaching at that allows this type of bullshet racists mentality on their faculty.

hahahaa... what a dipshit!
Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Oct 10, 2013 - 04:24pm PT
what university was Richard Sternberg expelled from the faculty of?

Caroline Crocker was not a tenured professor, nor a "tenure track" professor at the time her contract with George Mason U. was terminated

was Robert Marks expelled from Baylor U? or was it only his website that violated Baylor U policy?

Guillermo Gonzalez was an assistant prof. at Iowa State, tenure decisions are a function of the faculties, they decide who they want to "join the club" forever... I don't know what the rate of tenure transitions are for Iowa State, but they aren't 100%...

interesting set of cases you bring up... providing some insights on your point-of-view...

You said " professors are pretty much free to say anything they want to say free from the strictures of their institutions."

I gave examples where that was not the case.

Now you're moving the goalposts.... and throwing in a little passive aggressiveness.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 10, 2013 - 04:24pm PT
... were let go for no apparent reason. It happens all the time.

You WESCHRISTPHDBOY are obviously speaking from personal experience. Getting let go that is... numerous times.

Got it.
Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Oct 10, 2013 - 04:27pm PT
In other words... your answer to my post was not relevant to the point I made.

Sure it was. You responded to my question with a bunch of conjecture. I commented on it.
raymond phule

climber
Oct 10, 2013 - 04:31pm PT

Sure it was. You responded to my question with a bunch of conjecture. I commented on it.

Read the thread before writing more posts. I didn't respond to any of your posts (unless you are the chief) before you made a comment on a post where I even wrote tenure.

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Oct 10, 2013 - 04:33pm PT
Nah, the chuff got it spot on... Soylent Green is "GEOENGINEERED COLORED LIQUID PLASTIC!" Everyone knows that... just like everyone knows all this science and math stuff is part of a vast conspiracy, unless the chuff agrees with the conclusions, in which case the scientists and institutions who espouse those ideas are beyond criticism.
Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Oct 10, 2013 - 04:35pm PT
What is ad hom about guessing you have no experience in higher education?

Okay. Let's go with it wasn't an insult.

Why did you say it? What was your point?

What have I posted that gave you the impression I never attended college?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Oct 10, 2013 - 04:39pm PT
Because you seem unaware of the fact that when you sign up for a class the instructor is expected to teach students the subject... not go off on wild global conspiracy theories... especially in a CHEMISTRY class.

You also seem unaware of the fact that most instructors do not have tenure and can be let go at any time for any reason, and many of them are.

You also seem unaware that there was more to the prepared statement read to Drapela than "hid the road."

You also seem unaware of just about everything else. (that one is an insult because persistent ignorance deserves insult)
Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Oct 10, 2013 - 04:48pm PT
Read the thread before writing more posts. I didn't respond to any of your posts (unless you are the chief) before you made a comment on a post where I even wrote tenure.

LOL. I responded to you because you quoted my previous post. I incorrectly thought you were crunch, who I had responded to.

You should take your own advice.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 10, 2013 - 04:54pm PT
Because you seem unaware of the fact that when you sign up for a class the instructor is expected to teach students the subject... not go off on wild global conspiracy theories... especially in a CHEMISTRY class.

So of course Lindzen, Curry, Pielke SR, Christy, Spencer etal do not adhere to this philosophy, correct CHRISTPHDBOY??

They obviously teach conspiracy theories instead of the prescribed course in climate science that the students signed up for at their respective Institutions of Higher Learning. Such as MIT and CU etc.

Got it.
crunch

Social climber
CO
Oct 10, 2013 - 04:55pm PT
In other words.... you have no idea why he was fired.

I don't "know" why he was fired. But I'd bet it was mostly because he failed to publish enough research (nothing since 2000!) and failed to bring in money: research grants from outside.

Google search turns up this:

Enantiospecific Synthesis of (+)-Byssochlamic Acid, a Nonadride from the Ascomycete Byssochlamys fulva�, J.D. White, J. Kim, N. Drapela J. Am. Chem. Soc. 2000, 122, 8665.

That's it. Nothing in the 12 years since. What the hell's he been up to?

That's a pretty lousy academic record. Unfortunately, excellence at teaching is not very important for advancing an academic career.

He'd probably have been let go anyway, but his controversial pronouncements about global warming (did he really write that stuff, Mechrist?) may have hastened his exit.

Nothing "unusual" about his firing. The university does not have to give any reason. On the advice of lawyers, the University will therefore say nothing. It reflects badly on the university itself if a mediocre researcher has been kept around way past his best by date and they will not want to admit to this.

Sounds like he's a highly rated teacher so he'll be okay, get good references, find a nice job, prolly more in teaching than academia.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 10, 2013 - 04:56pm PT
Not according to PHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLE!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



A university cant just fire professors.
Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Oct 10, 2013 - 04:56pm PT
Because you seem unaware of the fact that when you sign up for a class the instructor is expected to teach students the subject... not go off on wild global conspiracy theories... especially in a CHEMISTRY class.

You also seem unaware of the fact that most instructors do not have tenure and can be let go at any time for any reason, and many of them are.

You also seem unaware that there was more to the prepared statement read to Drapela than "hid the road."

You also seem unaware of just about everything else. (that one is an insult because persistent ignorance deserves insult)

You mean college professors never go off topic? Is this unique to higher education instructors?

About tenure and grounds for termination - get a clue. I never said anything to give that impression. I explained what I thought was unusual about Drapela's firing. Yet, you make generalizations about one situation.

You claim I seem unaware that there was more to the prepared statement read to Drapela than "hid the road." I have no idea what was in the statement. But you seem to know all about it. What was in the statement? Tell us.

And now I'm unaware of just about everything else? Nice projection.
raymond phule

climber
Oct 10, 2013 - 04:58pm PT

LOL. I responded to you because you quoted my previous post. I incorrectly thought you were crunch, who I had responded to.

You should take your own advice.

You made a mistake but I should take my own advice and read the thread before posting? I really can't follow that logic...
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Oct 10, 2013 - 05:03pm PT
What was in the statement?

the only claim regarding the content of the statement was yours:

just "hid the road."
raymond phule

climber
Oct 10, 2013 - 05:03pm PT
Rick Poedke, I have to admit that I have been sloppy in some of my posts. The discussion was about Lindzen, a full professor with tenure, and in the rest om my posts I implicitly assumed that we talked about professors with tenure.
Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Oct 10, 2013 - 05:07pm PT
You made a mistake but I should take my own advice and read the thread before posting? I really can't follow that logic...

You quoted me in a post. I respond... thinking you were the poster my quoted post was directed to. You come back with:

I didn't respond to any of your posts (unless you are the chief) before you made a comment on a post where I even wrote tenure.

I figure out the confusion and explain it to you.

And you still don't get it.

Durr.
Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Oct 10, 2013 - 05:10pm PT
the only claim regarding the content of the statement was yours:

And you criticized me for not knowing what else was in the statement. Tell us , mister know-it-all, what else was in the statement?
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