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Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Feb 13, 2014 - 10:46am PT
Those BASTARDS!!!1111

Hurricane unleashes FUSION POWER at Lawrence Livermore Lab

What have you to say for yourself EDH????

DMT
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Feb 13, 2014 - 10:53am PT
To call Chuff an idiot is to insult idiots.

When Chuff claims to be a Mongol, he is demeaning Mongols.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Feb 13, 2014 - 11:54am PT
The impairment of concentration and emotional control most often leads to anti-social behavior.

fits Chuff to a T


Muslim Inbreeding: Impacts on intelligence, sanity, health and society
ibid above
TLP

climber
Feb 13, 2014 - 01:08pm PT
I would agree that the racist and anti-muslim slurs in the last few pages are wrong both factually and morally and not appropriate in virtually any conversation. Being a hybrid of greatly divergent ethnic origins like millions of other Americans including, ummm, our President, I'd be as proud as The Chief ought to be to count Tuareg or whatever it is in my ancestry.

But I also can't help but note the incredible irony that after vociferously denigrating science in hundreds of posts, he's now singing the praises (and correctly so) of muslim scientists of prior centuries. Astronomy, math, you name it, they advanced those sciences immensely - then.

Science is a wonderful thing and is the primary basis for the evolutionary success and, for some of the species, relative comfort of humanity. It is absolutely baffling that, almost without exception, entrenched religions are so fanatically opposed to science. It is not a political or social system, it is just a matter of observing facts and drawing rational conclusions from them. Why is this considered to be so threatening? We have a lot of brain power and have made tools that magnify its effectiveness. Whether you believe that just evolved or was endowed by some all-is-one entity, it is completely insane to be opposed to using it.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Feb 13, 2014 - 02:23pm PT
Controlled nuclear fusion is the kind of applied science people of all races, religions, and ideoligies could rally around TLP. Did our friend Dr. Hartouni have anythinh to do with this net positive momentary fusion reaction at Livermore I hear about on the radio in my locale in parts out yonder? If so, and sustained fusion is practical in less than decades in the future , then his repeated calls for abandonment of FF and crippling punitive taxation would be rendered a moot point. I believe in science, just not the types that diverge from truth by ideological and political control. That would be the so called mainstream of CAGW. Congratulations Edward if you had anything to do with the fusion project.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 13, 2014 - 02:27pm PT
The Chief, all this time you have shown us that your agenda is nothing but money based.

Oh... and how is that KMAN! I am pretty much self-sufficient.


OK, The Chief, then what is the point you're trying to make here? Why do you argue against what climate scientists are finding?
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Feb 13, 2014 - 03:27pm PT
To brandish Dawkins as a ‘Muslim Hater’ on a mission to smear the people seems disingenuous would only be an exaggeration. He may not like Islam, but I don’t see any animus against Muslims as a people. If anything, he might actually have sympathy for the oppression they suffer by various authorities/governments who viciously use religion to deny basic freedoms. He might in fact be doing Muslims a favor by provoking us to ask unpleasant questions about our own heritage. By stifling debate we are likely to remain mired in mediocrity, and ensure that even fewer Muslims receive Nobel prizes than any other comparable group in the future.
http://blogs.thenews.com.pk/blogs/2013/08/why-muslims-have-fewer-nobel-prizes-than-trinity-college/
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Feb 13, 2014 - 03:44pm PT
TLP

climber
Feb 13, 2014 - 04:19pm PT
Totally agree with the negative sentiment toward so-called religious believers or groups who promote ignorance, lack of rational thought, and the exercise of basic human rights. ...just that it has nothing to do with ethnic origins. When Europe was in the Dark Ages - being under the iron rule of religious dictators - the muslim world was really enlightened and doing great science. Now we have a new anti-science religious dark age threatening just about the whole world.
crunch

Social climber
CO
Feb 13, 2014 - 05:08pm PT
TLP, thanks for your excellent posts. It's wrong to insult someone for their ancestry. No excuses.

I read somewhere an explanation of why science in the the muslim world began to stagnate, circa 1400, and how the West leaped ahead:

It was the imposition of religious dogma.

Take just one thing:

Ban on representation of humans.

As Western artists began painting people they began to notice how people farther away should be smaller, so they explored drawing in three dimensions, which led to understanding perspective and complex, three-dimensional geometry. Out of this came the science of physics, light, shade, lenses (to observe better). Leonardo da Vinci springs to mind. Imagine if he had been banned from drawing humans? No Mona LIsa. No Vermeer.

Also, attempts to draw muscles, tendons and bones correctly led directly to investigating anatomy, which led, bit by bit, to modern biology, modern medical treatment. Michelangelo comes to mind. With no portraits, there'd be no Sistine Chapel. No Rembrandt.

So many aspects of modern science have grown out of the study of anatomy and of perfecting perspective. The scientific method of doing things, asking questions and going wherever they take you (usually more questions) developed out of this no-holds-barred approach to research.

I forget why the ban came about. Was it that humans were in the image of god, therefore a depiction of a human was a de facto depiction of god? And a depiction of god was wrong because it was blasphemous?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 13, 2014 - 05:47pm PT
Speaking of the real world impact of RELIGION


**State Sen. Mike Fair Blocks Evolution From South Carolina Science Standards
**
The South Carolina Education Oversight Committee approved most of the state's new science standards on Monday but blocked a clause featuring the phrase "natural selection.” According to Republican state Sen. Mike Fair, "To teach that natural selection is the answer to origins is wrong."http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/12/mike-fair-evolution-science-standards_n_4774914.html

sickening isn't it?

fundamentalist Christianity OWNS Republican politicians

as Republican US Senator Lindsey Graham said: "We are now known as the Stupid Party"
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Feb 13, 2014 - 06:07pm PT
I forget why the ban came about. Was it that humans were in the image of god, therefore a depiction of a human was a de facto depiction of god? And a depiction of god was wrong because it was blasphemous?


We could probably just look it up on Google--but that would take the fun out of guessing.
I don't think it's quite what you wrote above because, as I understand it, Muslims aren't supposed to depict animals either (not sure about other natural objects)--the classic art is basically just geometric images.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Feb 13, 2014 - 07:21pm PT
Like to say thanks to Rick,for showing some faith in what Ed and his fellow scientists are accomplishing at Livermore,with fusion.The ultimate energy source.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/02/12/275896094/scientists-say-their-giant-laser
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 13, 2014 - 07:56pm PT
TLP

climber
Feb 13, 2014 - 08:00pm PT
Totally agree with crunch about the value both aesthetically, dare I say spiritually, and scientifically/medically of what Renaissance art investigated and achieved. Same in the non-European world from (especially) Persia through India, for centuries.

And it is an absolute travesty that there is anyone in science education or its oversight that rejects the completely settled scientific reality of the basic tenets of evolution. There hasn't been a legitimate criticism of the basic principles since Darwin published in 1859, though a lot of process and details have been clarified since. Not only that, but to reject evolution, you also have to reject atomic physics (isotope decay rates), geology, ecology, and other sciences. It's even more anti-scientific than the European churches were in the Dark Ages!

That said, the SC politician who was quoted was right that evolution doesn't tell us anything really about the origin of life, only how it changed once it was here; but completely asinine to bring up this totally irrelevant fact.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 13, 2014 - 08:43pm PT
http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2014/02/the-green-socialists-of-mars.html
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Feb 13, 2014 - 11:08pm PT
Yes professor your onto something. I and a silent majority of the populace live in our own SELF MADE REALITY. Our labors are a major contributory factor to the wonders of this modern world we live in. Without the hard work ,self reliance, and can do attitude of generations of americans before us you would be living in just another also ran country not affording of the investments in science that have aided you from your education right through your career.

Sorry if i'm not up to the particulars of your job. I thought because of another thread here at supertopo that you might have had a finger in the fusion pie as well as the stockpile maintainence. Guess i was wrong. Your skepticism of the technologies prospects of solving our energy problem any time soon explains much.

Good link TGT. Anyone but a warmist would also appreciate your usual offerings also. I know i do.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 13, 2014 - 11:49pm PT
Anyone but a warmist would also appreciate your usual offerings also. I know i do.

well, that makes 3 of you.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Feb 13, 2014 - 11:58pm PT
That's cold Icey.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Feb 14, 2014 - 12:31am PT
You are friggin retard Bruce. What images do the words "silent majority" and "generations of americans" produce in your pea brain? I know, your own tunnel vision reality. Idiot. Have a good night.
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