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The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 30, 2013 - 01:03am PT
you risk ruining the story line in "Brave heart".

And what was the Brewasky?







Oh yeah.... "FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOM" from the tyrannical grips of the British King and his Rule.



he now advocates for government regulation of financial markets for the purpose of supporting the precautionary principle.

How does that relate to the Power Grid and Petroluem because he never once speaks about them nor are they in his new book regarding his opinion on the future of the financial markets.

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 30, 2013 - 01:11am PT
Pretty weak Ed, hiding behind the skirts of legislative language and not even all of it at that.

Bruce, that Ayn Rand disciple was an ignoramus at best, the criminal of the century at worst, between is nothing i ever saw as admirable.

Chief, you need to put a backup prevention valve on your sewage line to keep the turds from climbing back out to the surface. When you flush them they should be gone, for good.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 30, 2013 - 01:15am PT
But Rick, this is the modern day gospel from the God's of Scientism that we must all succumb to and bow down to. Immediately. Or it will be the end of us all.

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 30, 2013 - 01:22am PT
Yes, of course Chief, sometimes i forget we should never question what Bagdad Ed, Larry, Moe , and Curly have to say on this most somber subject.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 30, 2013 - 01:29am PT
Right here EDH:



The bill also contains vast amounts of funding for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), intended for repairs and upgrades of its facilities and equipment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Sandy_relief_bill

On January 29, 2013, the Disaster Relief Appropriations Act, 2013, a $50.7 billion package of disaster assistance largely focused on responding to Hurricane Sandy, was enacted as P.L. 113-2.



CRS5

DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE
National Oceanographic and Atmospheric
Administration Operations, Research and Facilities $373 Million
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42869.pdf CRS5




Brewasky
It dosn't you ignoramous, but then I'd never expect you to listen to the audio which if you did listen to it

Don't need to. I got and read his book last month which of course your story telling radio show is based on...








BTW Brewsaky, you should study up on the real William Wallace. You most assuredly would consider him a total disaster of a leader of a people that wanted nothing more than to be free from the tyranny and violent rule of the English Throne.

How absurd of an idea huh Brewasky? Probably why your money still has the Queen and Her Coat of Arms on it.




Niiiiiice.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 30, 2013 - 01:45am PT
Bruce, you should be glad we are here to entertain, ignore, and dismiss your "points". I imagine you'd be a lonely fellow if you didn't have the likes of us to laugh with and at you.

Signing off for awhile. Not taking a computer on my southwest tour starting tomorrow.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Oct 30, 2013 - 07:40am PT
Yep smoking crack,so I can think on your level,CHEF.

I called you on our part of mitigation,and our demand that the gov.will take care of this,you are wrong.

As for not being COMPLETELY carbon neutral,you are RIGHT.A couple of trucks is all that stands between that.

That Ducati Diesel looks to be awesome,and as far as finding Biodiesel there is a map for that on google ,it is more prevelant than you may believe.Look it up .

If you would like biodiesel to be more readily available,lets see if it would ever be subsidized.[yeah that might happen]

Part of my buisness is mitigation,installing solar.

You are FOS.






Ed ,glad you set everybody straight about funding,another thing I have contended all along.thanks.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Oct 30, 2013 - 09:49am PT
Good morning, Rick Poedtke.
The fact that all Electrical Power/Energy in the U.S. comes from Privately owned Power Sources and Grids. As well as all the fuel stations that the American people pump petrol into their vehicles.

Do a google for 'rural electrification program'. It's interesting.
Here's one hit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rural_Utilities_Service
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 30, 2013 - 09:59am PT
Don't have to GARY. We have our own right here in my community. It is PRIVATELY OWNED and OPERATED. As is our water. We PRIVATELY OWN IT as a CO-OP.


Just another complete Socialistic hypocrite Gary.


How's that So Cal EDISON working for ya Gary? You know, the PRIVATELY owned and Operated POWER CO that delivers the power to your home.


Did you actually read what you cited??

RUS just INSTALLED the GRID bitd. It did not power nor operate it. It no longer exists in that capacity.

Modern day RUS only authorizes Fed Grants for rural broadband implementations. Just like the one that is currently going on here locally... "Digital 395" (http://www.digital395.com/awarded_contracts.html);. Work is being done by a Private Contractors and Service Providers, who will subsequently oversee and manage the infrastructure and delivery services of it all.



What a moron you truly are GARY.


EDH
no funding for climate research in the Hurricane Sandy bill

"NOAA: Operations & Research"
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42869.pdf CRS5

Semantic verbiage word playing Ed. You know it. Just like you do not work for the DOE "contracted" National entity that care takes the countries WMD arsenal.

Got it.



Brewasky....


HARRY WAXMAN!! Are you fking kidding me.



Ironically, that exact same "apology" by Greenspan will be mimic'd by your Senior AGW Croanies in 15 years when the temperatures stabilize then begins to drop and the CAGW/IPCC Ideology completely collapses. The Financial Market STATISTICAL MODELLING in this case was.... Wrong!

Got it.


Old Alan, like Gore and the rest of the current day high rolling Carbon Traders, took the ball and ran with it.... all the way to the bank.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Oct 30, 2013 - 10:45am PT
What a moron you truly are GARY.

Good morning, to you, Rick Poedtke. Just thought you might find it an interesting subject. Sorry to have bothered you.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Oct 30, 2013 - 10:48am PT
Ed Hartouni responded by essentially saying it's a factor. I'd say that's a position most skeptics would support.

None of the skeptics on this board support it. Step 1 of the 3-step shuffle. Deny deny deny.

DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Oct 30, 2013 - 10:54am PT
Most all of the big dam projects out west were produced with public money that was never paid back. The electrification and irrigation of the west was funded in large part with eastern tax money.

You know, that tough western git-r-dun attitude (with someone else's money, lol lol lol)

Same as it ever was.

(same as it ever was)

Its like saying climate control science is bogus and then demanding and using and accepting as valid the answers from climate control scientists. It makes me lol.

Ed what % of the warming component comes from humans bwahahahahahahaha!

DMT
Cragar

Trad climber
MSLA - MT
Oct 30, 2013 - 10:59am PT
Thanks DMT.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 30, 2013 - 11:01am PT
In other words DMT, PRIVATE money and PRIVATE entities BITD.


Ah, the Free Market way.


Hey Brewaswky,

I watched it.

Thus my post....

Ironically, that exact same "apology" by Greenspan will be mimic'd by your Senior AGW Croanies in 15 years when the temperatures stabilize then begins to drop and the CAGW/IPCC Ideology completely collapses. The Financial Market STATISTICAL MODELLING in this case was.... Wrong!



Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Oct 30, 2013 - 11:25am PT
I'm glad you responded. How much % of the CO2 component of global warming is contributed by humans, if you please?

Use your own work. Don't ask Ed. Even if its (gasp!) unsupported opinion, what pray tell, is the %?

Thanks!
DMT
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Oct 30, 2013 - 11:27am PT
Rick Poedtke wrote:
In other words DMT, PRIVATE money and PRIVATE entities BITD.


Ah, the Free Market way.

No, nothing free market about it. You should read Cadillac Desert.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Oct 30, 2013 - 11:53am PT
Thanks for the frank answer Sketch.

I've no idea, to return your frankness. I'm not sure I care, really, as to this % vs. that. What difference does it make?

I'm not a scientist and I don't try to play one on the internet. Do I sit at the feet of science and lap up everything tossed my way?

My pride would demand 'no' but the fact of the matter is I am typing on a computer on the internet. The hysterical (and I mean HYSTERICAL, of course) charges of hypocrisy and even fraud, lobbed daily by the chief et al, directly at chiloe and Ed H, are laughing stock material.

I lap up the fruits of science the same way a sailor on a nuclear weapons platform did and does.

So I'm content to sit it out on the sidelines, burn my JP4 and diesel, live in my woody house, and breathe. I have to go with consensus science on this one...

DMT
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Oct 30, 2013 - 11:58am PT
Most studies involving climate change, like the great majority that Cook et al. review, are not themselves attribution research so they make no original claims about what percent of warming is due to what. The IPCC reports on the other hand have the synthesis of attribution research as one of their objectives. Here's how the IPCC AR5 (in a statement that befuddles some innumerates) summarizes the state of the art:

It is extremely likely that more than half of the observed increase in global average surface temperature from 1951 to 2010 was caused by the anthropogenic increase in greenhouse gas concentrations and other anthropogenic forcings together. The best estimate of the human-induced contribution to warming is similar to the observed warming over this period.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 30, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
WTF does DAM building have to do with the fact that MOST of the US power grids are PRIVATELY/PUBLICLY Investor Owned and operated. And the fact that ALL petroleum entities in the United States are also PRIVATELY owned.



Nothing.



Absolutely NOTHING.

The TOP TEN Utility Companies in the nation are Investor Owned.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_electric_companies

An investor-owned utility or IOU is a business organization, providing a product or service regarded as a utility (often termed a public utility regardless of ownership), and managed as private enterprise rather than a function of government or a utility cooperative. Such businesses can range from a family whose residential property includes a well whose flow in excess of the family's own needs produces a secondary income, to international communications conglomerates, but political and infrastructure considerations in some countries makes the private sector of the electric-power production and distribution industry the most often discussed investor-owned utilities there.


Absolutely no FED GOV'T ownership.
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Oct 30, 2013 - 12:16pm PT
THEY ARE CALLED ALTERNATIVES!


Kindly list said alternatives.

JL
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