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Jeremy Ross

Gym climber
Mar 31, 2014 - 07:49pm PT
I am not an academic researcher and hence have no need for formal references. However, if you've found this site useful, an informal 'mention in dispatches' and a Web link wouldn't go amiss.
This cuts both ways, however: The algorithms used on this site have not been formally peer reviewed and hence should not be used unverified for academic publication (and certainly not for policy- making!). This site is only intended to help find interesting directions for further research to be carried out more formally.

The above quote is directly from the website referenced in Sketch''s graph. Bold added by me.



-JR
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 31, 2014 - 08:53pm PT
Idiot.
TLP

climber
Mar 31, 2014 - 09:34pm PT
...and no warming
Not so if you include the Arctic, where there is indisputably a lot of warming recently, as part of global temperature. Why do you continue to ignore this? Hmm.

PDO and ENSO are overall way negative since early 2000s and temperature is still rising (including Arctic). Hmm.

Ocean heat content has gone up an enormous amount not only at 0-2000 m depth, but deeper as well, and still temperature is rising (including the Arctic). Curiously, none of you ever respond to this point. Hmm. To repeat, do you genuinely believe that all that ocean heat will never show up as a surface temperature increase but will just magically disappear forever, though we know that ocean waters and currents have oscillated (irregularly, but still oscillated) for centuries/millenia?

Since about 1980, TSI is down from its peak almost halfway to where it was at the height of the Little Ice Age, and temperature is still rising... Hmmm.

If CO2 wasn't very important in actual global surface temperature, all the sources of data on natural influences suggest the temperature should have been going way way down since 1998, but no.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 31, 2014 - 09:51pm PT
Yeah, that's right Sketch... play your stupidity off as "trollery"
new world order2

climber
Mar 31, 2014 - 10:35pm PT


Global warming dials up our risks, UN report says
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/global-warming-dials-our-risks-un-report-says

YOKOHAMA, Japan (AP) — If the world doesn't cut pollution of heat-trapping gases, the already noticeable harms of global warming could spiral "out of control," the head of a United Nations scientific panel warned Monday.

And he's not alone. The Obama White House says it is taking this new report as a call for action, with Secretary of State John Kerry saying "the costs of inaction are catastrophic."

Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change that issued the 32-volume, 2,610-page report here early Monday, told The Associated Press: "it is a call for action." Without reductions in emissions, he said, impacts from warming "could get out of control."

I can see a day, where all those who disagree there is global warming, will be labeled a terrorist.

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 31, 2014 - 10:39pm PT
I think I see a stoned hippie.

http://www.thepiratescove.us/2014/03/31/if-all-you-see-1085/
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Mar 31, 2014 - 10:40pm PT
I can see a day, where all those who disagree there is global warming, will be labeled a terrorist.

Like the shoe bomber dude???

DMT
new world order2

climber
Mar 31, 2014 - 11:12pm PT
Bruce, I can't make heads nor tails of your question(s).

Can you give me a Coles Notes version?

Edit: Yes, the mainstream media, and world governments will come to label global warming deniers as terrorists.
new world order2

climber
Mar 31, 2014 - 11:22pm PT
Puck, I don't know. Lol.

I'd rather concern myself with all things new world order.

Why does mainstream media, Kissinger, Bush, and many more politicians speak of a new world order/global governance/one world government? What does it all mean?

Yet when I bring the subject up, I'm labeled a conspiracy theorist?
new world order2

climber
Mar 31, 2014 - 11:36pm PT
Yes, the world is flat.

I know this because when ships sail too close to the edge, they fall off!

Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Mar 31, 2014 - 11:47pm PT
The earth is round because its shadow is round (lunar eclipse).
It's not coin shaped because it rotates & always has a round shadow.

"As it is, in its monthly phases the moon takes on all varieties of shape -- straight-edged, gibbous and concave -- but in eclipses the boundary is always convex. Thus, if eclipses are due to the interposition of the earth, the shape must be caused by its circumference, and the earth must be spherical."
    Aristotle, De Caelo, Book II, Ch. 14

The Greeks knew this 2000 years ago.
new world order2

climber
Apr 1, 2014 - 12:10am PT
Yes Bruce, I'm evading your queries.

Corona plus a few laps elsewhere, was off the charts today and I'm spent.

Good night.

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Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Apr 1, 2014 - 12:52am PT
And where you get your wine may be changing. Both quantity and quality of wine can be hurt in much of Europe, the United States and Australia, but Portugal and British Columbia in Canada may become better places for wine, the report said.
http://www.newschannel10.com/story/25114045/un-panel-warming-worsens-food-hunger-problems
dirtbag

climber
Apr 1, 2014 - 10:04am PT
Fooking idiot. ^^^^^^^
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Apr 1, 2014 - 10:51am PT
raymond phule

climber
Apr 2, 2014 - 03:25pm PT

Climate experts... one after another... making gloom and doom predictions.... only to be proven wrong by....

THE CLIMATE!!!

Priceless.

A lot of the quotes are from Europe. Do you have any data or information that prove those quotes wrong? Many of the quotes seems to be correct to me.

It also seems a little strange to say that claims like the following have been proven wrong...
"29. “By the year 2050 … temperatures will rise 1.5ºC to 2.5°C (summer) and 3°C (winter). … in the summer it will rain up to 40% less and in the winter up to 30% more.
German Federal Department of Highways, 1 Sept 2010"

"17. “Spring will begin in January starting in 2030.”
Die Welt, 30 Sept 2010"

Many of the quotes are also non specific.

But whatever, it is just bad trolling that you have probably found on your favorite website as usual.
raymond phule

climber
Apr 2, 2014 - 03:29pm PT

58. “With the pace of global warming increasing, some climate change experts predict that the Scottish ski industry will cease to exist within 20 years.”
Guardian, 14 February 2004
[4 January 2013: “Nevis Range, The Lecht, Cairngorm, Glenshee and Glencoe all remain closed today due to the heavy snow and strong winds.”]

Yes, because a snow storm in January 2013 prove that the ski season in 2024 is going to be good.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 2, 2014 - 03:35pm PT
Coldest December-March Period in Chicago History


CHICAGO:

THE IMPRESSIVE COLD THIS PAST WINTER CONTINUED DURING
MARCH...WITH A MONTHLY AVERAGE TEMPERATURE OF ONLY 31.7 DEGREES
FOR THE MONTH. THIS RANKS AS THE 19TH COLDEST MARCH ON RECORD IN
CHICAGO. HOWEVER...OF EVEN MORE INTEREST IS THE FACT THAT WITH THE
ABNORMALLY COLD MARCH ACROSS THE AREA...THIS MADE THE AVERAGE
TEMPERATURE FOR THE DECEMBER THROUGH MARCH PERIOD IN CHICAGO 22.0
DEGREES...WHICH IS THE COLDEST SUCH PERIOD ON RECORD FOR CHICAGO
DATING BACK TO 1872!

HERE IS A LIST OF THIS YEARS DECEMBER THROUGH MARCH AVERAGE
TEMPERATURE RELATED TO THE OTHER COLDEST SUCH PERIODS ON RECORD
IN CHICAGO:

RANK AVERAGE YEAR
DEC-MAR TEMP
--------------------------------------------------
1. 22.0 2013-14
2. 22.3 1903-04
3. 22.5 1977-78
22.5 1892-93
5. 22.7 1978-79


ROCKFORD:

UNSEASONABLY COLD CONDITIONS ALSO OCCURRED IN ROCKFORD IN MARCH.
THE AVERAGE MONTHLY TEMPERATURE WAS 29.6 DEGREES...WHICH WAS THE
12TH COLDEST MARCH ON RECORD. THE DECEMBER THROUGH MARCH AVERAGE
TEMPERATURE FOR ROCKFORD WAS 18.4 DEGREES. THIS RANKS AS THE 2ND
COLDEST SUCH PERIOD ON RECORD IN ROCKFORD DATING BACK TO 1906!

HERE IS A LIST OF THIS YEARS DECEMBER THROUGH MARCH AVERAGE
TEMPERATURE RELATED TO THE OTHER COLDEST SUCH PERIODS ON RECORD
IN ROCKFORD:

RANK AVERAGE YEAR
DEC-MAR TEMP
------------------------------------------------
1. 18.2 1977-78
2. 18.4 2013-14
3. 18.5 1978-79
4. 19.1 1911-12
5. 21.0 1981-82

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/news/display_cmsstory.php?wfo=lot&storyid=101458&source=0
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Apr 2, 2014 - 04:21pm PT
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bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Apr 4, 2014 - 10:25am PT
IPCC Insider Rejects Global-Warming Report
Richard Tol says alarmism is wrong.
By Alec Torres

Richard Tol, a professor of economics at the University of Sussex in the United Kingdom and an expert on climate change, removed his name from the latest Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report. While he considers much of the science sound and supports the underlying purpose of the IPCC, Tol says the United Nations agency’s inflammatory and alarmist claims delegitimize the IPCC as a credible and neutral institution.

“In the SPM [Summary for Policymakers], and much more largely in the media, we see all these scare stories,” Tol tells National Review Online. “We’re all going to die, the four horsemen of the apocalypse . . . I felt uncomfortable with the direction [the IPCC report] was going.”

Tol, who has been working with the IPCC since 1994, was the lead author of Chapter 10 of the report, on key economic sectors and services. He was also a contributor to Chapters 17 and 19, on the economics of adaptation to climate change and emergent risks, respectively.

He took his name off of the final summary because he felt the IPCC did not properly account for human technological ingenuity and downplayed the potential benefits of global warming.

“In the current SPM there are a number of statements in there that are widely cited that are just not correct,” Tol says.

One prediction has it that crop yields will begin to fall dramatically, a statement “that is particularly not supported by the chapter itself,” Tol says. “What it completely forgets is technological progress and that crop yields have been going up for as long as we’ve looked at crop yields.”

Beyond misleading statements on agriculture, Tol says the IPCC report cites only the maximum estimate for how much it will cost to protect against sea-level rise associated with current climate-change predictions. “Why do we show the maximum but not the average?” he says. Estimates say that “for a tenth of a percent of [worldwide] GDP we can protect all vulnerable populations along all coasts.”


The report also stresses that global warming will cause more deaths due to heat stress, but ignores that global warming would reduce cold stress, which actually kills more people than heat stress each year.

Tol is far from a conspiracy theorist, but he nonetheless thinks the IPCC has built-in biases that keep it from adequately checking alarmism.

First, there is a self-selection bias: People who are most concerned about the impact of climate change are most likely to be represented on the panel. Next, most of the panelists are professors involved in similar academic departments, surrounded by like-minded people who reinforce each other’s views. Those views are welcomed by the civil servants who review the report, because their “departments, jobs, and careers depend on climate being a problem,” Tol says.

“There are natural forces pushing these people in the same direction. I think the IPCC should have safeguards against this tendency, but it does not.”

However misleading the IPCC may be, Tol is not a climate-change skeptic. Though he is doubtful the IPCC, as a big UN organization, will be able to reform, he still plans to work on future reports because, he says, the “IPCC is important and it should be done right.”

— Alec Torres is a William F. Buckley Fellow at the National Review Institute.
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