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rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 17, 2013 - 06:41pm PT
Coming from you Riley and your twisted left wing blog sources, I take your above posts as a ringing endorsement of these esteemed gentlemen and scholars. The more the leftists squeal, kick and cry, the closer to the truth you are.

Splater- only one paragraph about projections that the sea lane will be open some time in the next decade. The Navy damn well better be patrolling or cede control of these seas to the Russians. Of course it's still just a projection which might well change if the trend of sea ice melt continues to reverse like this year.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 17, 2013 - 06:52pm PT
RILEUPDOC
. In 2009, he co-authored a paper in the Journal of Geophysical Research claiming the El Niño-Southern Oscillation can account for most of the global temperature variation of the last fifty years.

According to "Your" people in the latest excuse for the 15-20 yeat "Hiatus", Carter is/was correct!

Thank you for confirming his credibility DOC Rileup.


Our results show that the current hiatus is part of natural climate variability, tied specifically to a La-Niña-like decadal cooling.
Kosaka and Xie (2013)
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature12534.html


RILEUPDOC
In 2012, documents stolen from The Heartland Institute revealed that Carter was paid a monthly fee of $1,667 (USD)

And who the fk were the thieves????

MMGW hysterians doing everything and anything to counter their agenda???

Got it.

Thanks for confirming that "Your" people are doing everything they can to proliferate their bullshet politically based ideological agenda.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Sep 17, 2013 - 07:38pm PT
did I hear someone say tracking is good???


Are you kidding?

Have your skull checked



http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/09/17/2630131/oil-fracking-colorado-flooding/

Colorado Floodwaters Cover Fracking And Oil Projects: ‘We Have No Idea What Those Wells Are Leaking’
BY REBECCA LEBER ON SEPTEMBER 17, 2013 AT 10:02 AM

CREDIT: East Boulder County United
Colorado flooding has not only overwhelmed roads and homes, but also the oil and gas infrastructure stationed in one of the most densely drilled areas in the U.S. Although oil companies have shut down much of their operations in Weld County due to flooding, nearby locals say an unknown amount of chemicals has leaked out and possibly contaminated waters, mixing fracking fluids and oil along with sewage, gasoline, and agriculture pesticides.
“You have 100, if not thousands, of wells underwater right now and we have no idea what those wells are leaking,” East Boulder County United spokesman Cliff Willmeng said Monday. “It’s very clear they are leaking into the floodwaters though.”


In my view, if tracking some how miraculously turned the jobless rate from 8% to 1% it would still be a bad idea. With no clean water, how long would we live, again?

Idiots
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 17, 2013 - 07:55pm PT
Once again you totally miss the point Bruce. You can't separate yourself from your ideological programming and standardized response long enough to examine the more subtle implications of self reliance- little hint it's not survivalism in isolation.

You should talk. But really.... you should. You should stop hiding behind coy little hints and various implied suggestions and insinuations. Thats what totally cracks me up about you guys. you love to project this image of superior knowledge ( like Werner) and you pretend it is your sacred possession, attainable only with the secret handshake and hazing ceremony of your lofty fraternity.

Which of course is just another slightly desperate ploy to avoid explaining yourselves. Like that whole Chuffs principle song and dance. 2 pages of deflection and dodging then finally an answer that bears no relevance to the original reference. Any forensic dissection, which is what it would take considering the volume of evasion, reveals the same thing time after time.

So lets have it. Please elaborate, I'm not missing the point. The point is that you know full well that explaining yourself is a trap of your own making, which is the only reality of mythology. You apparently are learned in the subtle implications of self reliance. You imply this. Please Obe Wan, we are curious of the way of the warrior but we are tired of listening to Glenn Beck re-runs.Tell us again about all you have learned about self reliance...... in Nevada of all places.

Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Sep 17, 2013 - 08:00pm PT
a little more for the fire

http://grist.org/news/oil-and-fracking-chemicals-spill-into-colorados-floodwaters/?utm_campaign=daily&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&sub_email=robbertken2008%40mac.com

Oil and fracking chemicals spill into Colorado’s floodwaters
By John Upton

Fracking equipment overwhelmed by floodwaters in Weld County, Colo, northeast of Denver.
Heavy rains returned to Colorado on Sunday and hampered rescue efforts after last week’s flash floods. The confirmed death toll has risen to seven, and hundreds are still unaccounted for. An estimated 1,500 homes are destroyed. Some 1,000 people in Larimer County, north of Boulder, were awaiting airlifts that never came on Sunday — they were called off because of the foul weather.

The floods have also triggered other problems that have gotten a lot less media attention: Fracking infrastructure has been inundated and its toxic contents have spilled out. Pipelines that transport fossil fuels are sagging and snapping under pressure. Tanks that store chemicals and polluted water are being overwhelmed and toppling over. Oil and gas wells are flooding.

The Boulder Daily Camera reports:

Lafayette-based anti-fracking activist Cliff Willmeng said he spent two days “zig-zagging” across Weld and Boulder counties documenting flooded drilling sites, mostly along the drainageway of the St. Vrain River. He observed “hundreds” of wells that were inundated. He also saw many condensate tanks that hold waste material from fracking at odd angles or even overturned.

“It’s clear that the density of the oil and gas activity there did not respect where the water would go,” Willmeng said. “What we immediately need to know is what is leaking and we need a full detailed report of what that is. This is washing across agricultural land and into the waterways. Now we have to discuss what type of exposure the human population is going to have to suffer through.” …

A spokesman for the Colorado Oil and Gas Conservation Commission said the agency is aware of the potential for contamination from flooded drilling sites, but there simply is no way to get to those sites while flooding is ongoing and while resources are concentrated on saving lives.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Sep 17, 2013 - 08:03pm PT
Thanks for confirming that "Your" people are doing everything they can to proliferate their bullshet politically based ideological agenda.

I don't have people ..

Paid shills ..

It's beyond a joke ...

And I'm far from left wing
The left wings hero is siting in Russia right now
And aren't any less clueless than the right wing on many issues.

But you guys take the cake
I have a hard time believing you are serious sometimes
It's like trying to get through to someone who has been taken in by a cult.

Luckily - I can't understand such stupidity ..
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 17, 2013 - 08:03pm PT
Brewsky
Like that whole Chief's principle song and dance. 2 pages of deflection and dodging then finally an answer that bears no relevance to the original reference.

That may be two pages. But you and your croanies have well over 12,000 posts of it. Ya'll got us beat in the total bullshet and deflection department. Without a doubt may I add.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 17, 2013 - 08:46pm PT



whoa! Wait Rick! I gots a question for yooz!
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 17, 2013 - 09:06pm PT
ALLRILEDUP
I have a hard time believing you are serious sometimes ...

Funny. I have a hard time believing you truly exist let alone lead on to be physician of sorts.

Really.

Hey Brewsky, here's your "Babe" that leads AGW D.C. Club in action. Gotta love her eh?
Yabadaba Doooooooooo! Ahhhhhhhh......





The bullshet just never ceases from these "AGW" politician people..... right Brewsky?
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 17, 2013 - 09:17pm PT
it is all about you chef.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 17, 2013 - 09:22pm PT
Bruce,i'll speak for myself only , a veritable hick from the sticks as judged by your "superior grasp of reality as an enlightened 21st century B.C. socialist sophisticate". Do you know bullshet when you see it and hear it Bruce? I would dare to say you don't consider yourself often baffled by it. So why in the hell do you rely on the interpretation of reality as presented by these CAGW zealots when you can see with your own eyes and remember with your own neurons that weather has always changed, always had it's severities, and the projections of climate science have been consistently wrong and getting worse even as the cries to pick our pocketbooks have become ever shriller? Your capable of understanding the science, so why not take a critical look? Why not be self reliant on all levels? Why defer your families future solely to the "experts" when you've seen them be corrupted and wrong many, many times in the past? You don't have to reject all norm's or cause any harm to others in self reliance, just think and do dependent on no one else but yourself. Pretty simple.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 17, 2013 - 09:24pm PT
Let see where we are ;http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2013/08/

Of course you would not believe any of this.



Shack

Big Wall climber
Reno NV
Sep 17, 2013 - 09:32pm PT
NASA says you don't know what you are talking about....
CO2 and NO3 act as cooling agents in the atmosphere.

“Carbon dioxide and nitric oxide are natural thermostats,” explains James Russell of Hampton University, SABER’s principal investigator. “When the upper atmosphere (or ‘thermosphere’) heats up, these molecules try as hard as they can to shed that heat back into space.”


http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2012/22mar_saber/
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 17, 2013 - 09:33pm PT
Ur, um, upper atmosphere, Shack.

Upper atmosphere cooling is part of global warming science.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 17, 2013 - 09:34pm PT
Wilbeer, first you should be looking at the great Roy Spencers temperature anomaly indexes for an independent interpretation of the data. Second, why isn't the current anomaly the highest ever instead of fifth or sixth- I mean that was the projections- as CO2 rose so would the temps- with ever increasing confidence levels in one after another AR.

We've never received an adequate answer to that one Shack.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 17, 2013 - 09:39pm PT
oh yeah I get it. The supreme power of keep your own council. Sure thing, I can handle that science stuff. Graphs n' sh#t. Hell I took a weather course once and I had it down pat. Fukin' humidity and air pressure all flow mostly west to east hittin' mountains and tall buildings and making frost sometimes. Its just a big HVAC system when you get right down to it and I had that figured out in the first hour.

Look at how far you can get on keeping your own council and being self reliant an' sh#t. It can damn near get you your own country!





Well...... he coulda scored the country but then he started answering those gotcha questions. Man, did you hear those questions he had to answer? Nothing about principles and proper stuff just all that "what would you have done or explain your reasons. Damn librul media. He coulda had his own country.

wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 17, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
Why would you not trust our data?

Distrust in government,move to Russia ,you can see it from your house.

Has Roy Spencer put a satellite up yet. All conjecture,opinion.

Not data..
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 17, 2013 - 09:47pm PT
RICKS
Second, why isn't the current anomaly the highest ever instead of fifth or sixth- I mean that was the projections- as CO2 rose so would the temps- with ever increasing confidence levels in one after another AR.

Precisely Rick. Good point.

As each and every year passes, they indeed should be setting the "record" as the warmest "ever" in order to coincide with all them 48 or so Super Computer generated Climate Models. As well as the consistent climb in the C02.

But... they don't. 1998 (according to NOAA) still maintains the "record" of being the warmest "ever" globally. That's some 14 years ago.

Welber, what's up with that??

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 17, 2013 - 09:52pm PT
Well just keep deferring to the experts Bruce. If it's right for you so be it. I can't see myself replacing reality with your interpretation anytime soon. Herman- I liked that guy. he at least knew how to mass produce pizza versus the no nothing disorganizer we yanks have.

Wilbeer, Spencer's worked for Nasa as long as just about anyone there.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 17, 2013 - 09:55pm PT
Spencer still does as does Christy. Both NASA and NOAA! Majority of their funding comes from both those Gov't agencies.
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