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rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 27, 2013 - 12:00pm PT
Exactly as predicted, the circus has ignited the fuel of self immolation. Events contrary to their projections will take center stage to fan the flames as they burn. AR6 anyone?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 27, 2013 - 12:01pm PT
The Chief, you've posted this several times:


This is a direct quote from pg 65 in the final released AR5 SPM:

“Models do not generally reproduce the observed reduction in surface warming trend over the last 10 –15 years.”

pg.65 AR5 SPM



Perhaps you can quote the entire paragraph for us, you know, from the Final Draft of AR5 WG1?

This shouldn't be a challenge because you must have it handy and have read it, right?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 27, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
Plagerize? With the text in quotes??

whudevah..


All of this global warming we havent been having is unprecedented , so it must be our fault...
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 27, 2013 - 12:04pm PT
Rick! Where have you been?

What are your thoughts on sociopathy?


For your reference, in case the long list of Chuff posts is not good enough for you:


Antisocial personality disorder
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Antisocial (Dissocial) Personality Disorder is a personality disorder characterized by a pervasive pattern of disregard for, or violation of, the rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and continues into adulthood. There may be an impoverished moral sense or conscience and a history of crime, legal problems, impulsive and aggressive behavior.
The American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM) and the World Health Organization's International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems' (ICD) (F60.2 Dissocial personality disorder.[1]) have similar but not identical criteria. Both have stated that their diagnosis has also been known as psychopathy or sociopathy, though the criteria are different to some other commonly used assessments.[2][3][4][5][6] Antisocial personality disorder falls under the dramatic/erratic cluster of personality disorders.[7]
Contents [hide]

1 Diagnosis
1.1 DSM-IV-TR
2 Further considerations
2.1 Similar concepts
2.1.1 Psychopathy
2.1.2 Dissocial personality disorder
2.2 Theodore Millon's subtypes
2.3 Comorbidity
3 Causes and pathophysiology
3.1 Hormones and neurotransmitters
3.2 Limbic neural maldevelopment
3.3 Cultural influences
3.4 Environment
3.5 Head injuries
4 Treatment
5 Prognosis
6 Epidemiology
7 History
8 See also
9 References
10 Further reading
11 External links


The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 27, 2013 - 12:05pm PT
READ KMAN!

The observed reduction in surface warming trend over the period 1998–2012 as compared to the period 1951–2012, is due in roughly equal measaure to a reduced trend in radiative forcing and a cooling contribution from internal variability, which includes a possible redistribution of heat within the ocean (medium confidence).

The reduced trend in radiative forcing is primarily due to volcanic eruptions and the timing of the downward phase of the 11-year solar cycle. However, there is low confidence in quantifying the role of changes in radiative forcing in causing the reduced warming trend. There is medium confidence that internal decadal variability causes to a substantial degree the difference between observations and the simulations; the latter are not expected to reproduce the timing of internal variability.

There may also be a contribution from forcing inadequacies and, in some models, an overestimate of the response to increasing greenhouse gas and other anthropogenic forcing (dominated by the effects of aerosols). {9.4, Box 9.2, 10.3, Box 10.2, 11.3}
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 27, 2013 - 12:07pm PT
and a cooling contribution from internal variability, which includes a possible redistribution of heat within the ocean

Those pesky oceans.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 27, 2013 - 12:08pm PT
MONO, you left this out of the above!

which includes a possible redistribution of heat within the ocean (medium confidence).


WHY??
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 27, 2013 - 12:10pm PT
@The Chief, I now see the quote in the Summary. It's page 10, not 65.

Because the Final Draft has yet to be released, it's fallacy to say you got the quote from the Final Draft, and your page number was incorrect.


To sum, these are not your thoughts, but those you are "stealing" from a blog somewhere. You cannot have access to the Final Draft, as you claim you do.


In summary, you're not thinking on your own here.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 27, 2013 - 12:11pm PT
The Chief demands absolute certainty, and classifies anything less as worthless.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 27, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
Fort mental, if you want to be a detective, you must go beyond those giving the opinions to see where those opinions came from.. Jus sayin..


Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 27, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
ohwww annnnd:



http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/uploads/WGIAR5-SPM_Approved27Sep2013.pdf
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 27, 2013 - 12:15pm PT
Fort mental, if you want to be a detective, you must go beyond those giving the opinions to see where those opinions came from.. Jus sayin..

Ron! Stop man - you're killing me!!!

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 27, 2013 - 12:16pm PT
That would RELLY help you out B...
FortMentäl

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Sep 27, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
you must go beyond those giving the opinions to see where those opinions came from

In case you missed it the first time:


1 french politician who believes asbestos to be harmless (Allegre);

1 former president of research at Exxon Corporation (Edward David);
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1 retired Exxon Executive (Roger W Cohen);
- 1 forecasting and marketing expert. Has no peer-reviewed papers published on climate science nor on polar bear populations, subject on which he testified nevertheless before US Congress (Armstrong);
- 1 medical doctor specializing in atherosclerotic disease (Breslow);

1 physicist who has specialized in the study of optics and spectroscopy and who is affiliated with multiple industry (= oil, gas, etc.) funded think-tanks and organizations (ie, Director of the Marshall Institute, Director at the Richard Lounsbery Foundation [which funded Fred Singer's SEPP science denial organization] (Happer);

1 Consultant on Science and Technology Policy, who has never published any peer-reviewed studies on climate science. Former staff member at the Richard Lounsbery Foundation (Nichols);

1 professor of Technology who specialized “electronic structure of metals and semiconductors” (Kelly);

1 professor of chemistry who specializes in polymers and carbon fibers (McGrath);

1 former director of the Royal Dutch Meteorological Service and Professor of Aeronautical Engineering specialized in turbulence. Has written many non-peer reviewed articles on Fred Singer’s site. No peer-reviewed articles known (Tennekes);

1 professor of astrophysics who believes the sun is the primary driver of climate change (Shaviv);

1 aeronautical engineer who has never published any peer-reviewed paper on climate science (Rutan);

1 former astronaut who has never published any peer-reviewed paper on climate science and is Emeritus Chair of the ExxonMobil funded Annapolis Center for Science-Based Public Policy(Schmitt);

1 retired meteorologist. Despite his lack of knowledge, he published a book on climate science via the Lavoisier Group which has a known anti-climate science stance (Kininmonth);

1 nuclear physicist with no known peer reviewed publications on climate science (Zichichi);

1 climate scientists who in the past has taken money from the oil industry and is listed as ‘Expert’ at the industry funded Heartland Institute (Lindzen);

Source here
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 27, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
OK Ron, here's the AR5 WG1 Summary:

http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/uploads/WGIAR5-SPM_Approved27Sep2013.pdf

These are not opinions, but scientific facts.


Look at the charts towards the end, you know, the pretty pictures.

They depict a sad, but true, story.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 27, 2013 - 12:24pm PT
And now for something completely different:

Treatment[edit source]

ASPD is considered to be among the most difficult personality disorders to treat.[38][39][verification needed] Because of their very low or absent capacity for remorse, individuals with ASPD often lack sufficient motivation and fail to see the costs associated with antisocial acts.[38] They may only simulate remorse rather than truly commit to change: they can be seductively charming and dishonest, and may manipulate staff and fellow patients during treatment.[40][verification needed] Studies have shown that outpatient therapy is not likely to be successful, however the extent to which persons with ASPD are entirely unresponsive to treatment may have been exaggerated.[41]

Those with ASPD may stay in treatment only as required by an external source, such as a parole......Residential programs that provide a carefully controlled environment of structure and supervision along with peer confrontation have been recommended.[38] There has been some research on the treatment of ASPD that indicated positive results for therapeutic interventions.[44] Some studies have found that the presence of ASPD does not significantly interfere with treatment for other disorders, such as substance abuse,[45] although others have reported contradictory findings.[46]

Therapists of individuals with ASPD may have considerable negative feelings toward clients with extensive histories of aggressive, exploitative, and abusive behaviors.[38] Rather than attempt to develop a sense of conscience in these individuals, therapeutic techniques should be focused on rational and utilitarian arguments against repeating past mistakes. These approaches would focus on the tangible, material value of prosocial behavior.[47]


Hmmmm......

....Residential programs that provide a carefully controlled environment of structure and supervision along with peer confrontation have been recommended.

I wonder if Stupor torpor could be considered a residential program? Either way Chuff, apparently peer confrontation is recommended and should continue....
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 27, 2013 - 12:32pm PT
The trend is downwards. Here is an abstract of a paper not considered in AR5, one of many, pointing the way of the future as the climate sensitivity to CO2 is revised downwards. Does anyone seriously doubt that the IPCC will soon be relic of a past wrong turn?

http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/abs/ot03100r.html

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 27, 2013 - 12:33pm PT
M R DUCKS

M R NOT

O S A R, SEE EM WANGS

L I B

M R DUCKS...




QUACK!!!!!
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 27, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
KMAN
Because the Final Draft has yet to be released, it's fallacy






KMAN, WTF is this then???




http://www.ipcc.ch/


UN releases AR5 climate science report

http://www.rtcc.org/2013/09/27/live-ipcc-blog-un-releases-ar5-climate-science-report/
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 27, 2013 - 12:37pm PT
Here in MOUNDHOUSE NV, this am there was ice on the truck. It snowed on Virginia City yesterday . Global warming?? Not in NV...
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