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QITNL

climber
Sep 10, 2013 - 10:32am PT
okay. maybe next time.

take it easy.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 10, 2013 - 10:49am PT
Yeah I'm not sure why it is funny either. Its a bit like when confronted with abject stupidity resulting in hazard the only way to deal with it is laugh. Its pretty funny if you think Brazil is side slapping comedy


QITNL

climber
Sep 10, 2013 - 10:56am PT
i'm not going to click on that. that's not funny.

my bad, i'm in the wrong place, i thought this was a climbing forum.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 10, 2013 - 11:25am PT
EDH
The Chief is demonstrating the fundamental problem with his arguments... they don't hold up to scientific scrutiny.

You just still do not get ED!

99.9% of the WORLD IS NOT SCIENCE LITERATE. Scientific scrutiny does not mean jackshet to them. They are far too busy making ends meet daily in order to survive.

The attitudes that most of the science literate individuals here and throughout the MMGA side globally continue to display, just confirms my point that the "CONSESUS" that really matters, the people of the world, do not want to attune themselves to the agenda based on your position that the science says so thus we must do it. Especially the manner in which you for the most part continue to present your case to them.

If you all want to win the hearts and minds of the real CONSENSUS, you best regroup and present it in a fashion that the masses will begin to accept.

Until then, you all will see more failures of your MMGA agenda, regardless the amount of scientific scrutiny you all have, coming to light. Failures such as the Carbon Tax not being accepted by the EU nor Australia.


You all are losing, big time. And it is going to get worse. Much worse. For you all.

k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 10, 2013 - 11:42am PT
99.9% of the WORLD IS NOT SCIENCE LITERATE.

The Chief, you are absolutely correct.

And that is why 99.9% of the world's population leave it up to the scientists to help them:

 figure out how to make gasoline
 figure out how to make computers
 figure out how to make medicine
 figure out how to make airplanes


On and on. The common folk who cannot do the math rely on those who can to solve the difficult problems they face.

You, The Chief, use gasoline, computers, airplanes. But, I'll be you don't have a clue as to the science behind how these things work.



To many, this argument makes good sense. For some, however, sense is not their strong suit.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 10, 2013 - 11:47am PT
you gotta hand it the chuff, he is right in the sense that the masses are not getting the message, and that is a problem that could be corrected (perhaps) in the delivery.

But there is another problem which as is typical Chuff would rather ignore. That is that nations and societies that are suposedly advanced are somehow as intellectually stunted as the Taliban when it comes to something as basic as the role and value of science. stunted to the point that science is denied in a fit of anti intellectual sentiment and an embrace of magic. This is what cracks me up. The recent political events in Australia is classic. They ought to know something is amiss with the weather if anybody does and they have perfectly good schools.

But as I said Chuff and the rest will only go down that rabbit hole so far before running away like little girls. When they hear the word "intellectual" they see elitist high IQ, which they think unfairly rules them out and it pisses them off to no end. However, like their immature grasp of intuition, they don't realize that IQ does not remove anyone from intellectualism. It is available to anyone - but you do need a few things in terms of attitude. Humility for one, curiosity, an interst in what is true, a skepticism of dogma.....
WBraun

climber
Sep 10, 2013 - 11:48am PT
So science made computers gasoline airplanes etc. to solve all our problems.

LOL ......
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 10, 2013 - 11:48am PT
hhmmmm One of the Wright brothers didnt even finish high school Kman. The other got hos diploma late. It was the common man that invented workable airplanes..
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 10, 2013 - 11:50am PT
Ron understands what I mean, Werner dosn't.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 10, 2013 - 11:51am PT
And that is why 99.9% of the world's population leave it up to the scientists to help them

Sorry Bubba, but you seriously need to get off that arrogant ego trip soap box that you are on.

Cus they do not. Fact.

the "common man" can learn these things, it is not closed to them.

More importantly, the common man can see through political ideological bullshet masked as science that supposedly is going to assist them, as well.

They DO NOT have time for it.
WBraun

climber
Sep 10, 2013 - 11:52am PT
I didn't even read your drivel Bruce I just skipped over your usual stupid drool ......

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 10, 2013 - 11:57am PT
Yes I know werner. You lack curiosity, amongst other things....

ha ha! just kidding (mostly). In fact if I was to hazard a guess I'd call you a liar. I bet you were at least curious enough to read it.....
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 10, 2013 - 12:04pm PT
EDH
Nature's a bitch that way...

Nature is and will always be premiere in this Universe. Regardless what science dictates or mandates as to what may be the truth.

Putting that in the forefront of your thinking process may assist you all in your plight in selling your agenda.

You nor any other human will ever control let alone master nature. Never.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 10, 2013 - 12:11pm PT
You nor any other human will ever control let alone master nature. Never.

What do you call flying an airplane like those high school clods the wright brothers did?

For that matter how about my mastery of walking when I was an infant? Maybe thats not what you mean by mastery of nature but for all practical purposes it is how we relate to nature. So long as we don't some how wreck the air, I'm glad the Wright bros figured out flying.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Sep 10, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
It is quite easy to mess with nature. You can't stop the world from turning, but you can pollute, overgraze, you name it, and have effects.

DDT nearly wiped out the raptors. To this day, lead shot is bad for California Condors.

It is easy to mess with nature, and 7 billion people do have an effect. Have you ever heard an astronaut describe the brown haze over many cities?

I remember my first trip to L.A. I was 16 and taking classes at Occidental College. The smog was unreal, and flying in I couldn't believe the miles of concrete we flew over on the way to the airport.

It reminded me of a line from The Big Sky:

"I wouldn't want to live in no anthill."
WBraun

climber
Sep 10, 2013 - 12:15pm PT
OK Bruce I read this one.

But again you really are a nut case,

"Flying an airplane masters nature."

You need serious help.

But there is none for people like you ......

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 10, 2013 - 12:23pm PT
ive picked up i dont know how many folks,, in airplanes,, that hit the ground rather hard. Nature is never conquered. At best we try to get along with her.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 10, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
EDH:
My "agenda" is to get the best science to the policy makers

Like this....






EDH:
what I understand can be informative, and useful for helping us understand the consequences of our actions

And you WHITE COATS have a tract record of doing so AFTER THE FACT. Far too many times too late.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 10, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
It was the common man that invented workable airplanes..

Do you think scientists aren't common?

Do you think uneducated people who invent flying machines are common?

Are you really as stupid as you come off?
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Sep 10, 2013 - 12:29pm PT
Curious, I looked into my code to figure out why Ed and I reached slightly different results regarding leap years. My code was skipping Feb 29, whereas the PIOMAS website says to skip the last day of the year.

For leap years this means that no integration is performed for the last day of the year.

But (back when I wrote the code) the PIOMAS team was advising something different, as they note on the same page:

(Note: previously we incorrectly stated that all Februaries have 28 days)

To go with the times, I've revised the code henceforth to skip December 31 in leap years, instead of February 29.

Incidentally, Rick made a big fuss about where these PIOMAS data come from. They are found by following links labeled DATA at the top of the PIOMAS home page that he linked to, and copied and pasted from.
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